DXM like MDMA one of those drugs that loses...

[resorcinol]

... the magic if used too frequently? What do you folks think?

First, some drugs that don't really "loose the magic" in the strictest sense (all drugs become less enjoyable with frequent or long term use to some degree). Opioids, ethanol, stims (releasers and DNRIs), and maybe benzos don't seem to "loose the magic".

When I first tried DXM I loved the drug! The "music euphoria", empathetic properties, dissociation, everything in general was awesome. The music euphoria was ESPECIALLY profound. If there's one unique thing about DXM it's that effect. The first time I took DXM and listened to the song "Please Don't Tell Her" by Jason Mraz, I was fucking BLOWN AWAY by the euphoria the DXM music synergy gave me. The song is good sober, but is was fucking AMAZING on DXM --- same for Coldplay's music. Any "spacey" songs were especially euphoric with DXM.

Over time though, DXM became less and less fun. Now I really can't be bothered, because I don't enjoy the effects at any plateau at all anymore. Even with LONG, LONG periods of not ingesting ANY DXM, I CAN'T recapture the music euphoria. It is just GONE ---- and I miss it, because NO OTHER DRUG I've tried, including MJ and shrooms, made music sound as good as DXM did as first.

I'm not sure if this is an actual manifestation of something physiological, like traces of tolerance that take decades to go away or something, or simply psychological --- like the music euphoria is gone because I used up its value and although my NMDA receptors may be back to a nearly naive state, I'm psychologically immune to that music euphoria from overusing DXM. I miss it so much though. I cannot emphasize enough how INCREDIBLE music sounded on DXM at first --- but now, nothing.

I've never tried MDMA. Is this analogous to loss of magic with MDMA at all? Like some of the effects, despite long abstinence, just are never the same or almost not there at all anymore?

If I ever try MDMA I don't want to loose the magic since I've heard it's such a powerful experience. I don't think it's something I'd use more than once in a blue moon to make SURE that the magic never goes away. I really need to try MDMA before I croak (hopefully of old age related complications) or leave the drug scene completely.

[LegalizeOpiates]

DXM is a drug that for me never had any magic to begin with. It always made me sick to my stomach and the negative effects always seemed to out way the positive ones.

I don't know about MDMA, haven't used it enough to know if it will lose it's magic or not. I recommend trying it at least once, it's a very pleasant experience.

IMO Drugs like DXM and MDMA should not be taken regularly due to the fact that they can severely alter brain chemistry. I've met a Ecstasy and Robo junkies and to put it lightly they weren't all there.

[OxiContinKing]

I remember when I first started expierementing with DXM about 2 years ago.

I did alot of research on it before and while I was trying it, and one thing that I distinctly recall reading about is the tolerance that you build up to it, and its something that, basically, is unrepairable.

Thats what kind of scared me about it, but of course, didnt stop me from trying it, more than once, lol, for the same reason you did.

:cool:

[duck]

Is this analogous to loss of magic with MDMA at all? Like some of the effects, despite long abstinence, just are never the same or almost not there at all anymore? .

Most certainly...to a very high degree. I would even say more so than any other drug I've ever used for extended amounts of time. Even now, after not taking MDMA for over a year, and then dosing hard, I just never got the magic again.

[Seedy]

^^ Yeah it's kind of depressing how that works :(

[bigfootlives]

I know EXACTLY what you mean! When I first did DXM everything looked just sooo fucked up and I didnt even drink an entire small bottle. Now I can drink a whole big bottle and be wondering when im going to get stoned. Same goes for MDMA in the sense that a few pills made me feel like I was in heaven and yet now everytime I do it feels like I'm just chasing my first couple of highs.

[insaneike]

Well I've personally never gotten any effects from DXM that can be even remotely described as 'magic'. Sure not any euphoria that is really noticeable. I only dosed on 650mg or so my first 2-3 times and 800-850mg my last 2 times of using DXM alone and it is just a plain out shitty drug to me. I don't like it at all, it sucks and is far from fun. Just a shitty drug in general. Only time I really liked DXM was when I did about 300mg about 4-5hours after dosing up on a mild Mescal trip. It was a very good exp..
I've also used around 200mg DXM after a 2-3day meth binge with some roxis n it seemed to help with the crash a LOT! It helped zonk me out with the oxys thats for sure. Didn't really ntocie any increased euphoria or anyhting though..

Plus if you're using some OTC cold med source for the DXM, without doing an extraction, that could very well be why it seemed to get weaker or whatever.. assuming you are used to using actual pure(ish) DXM powder.. Everytime I did DXM it was 99% pure DXM crystaline powder from a RC vendor. and the time I did it with mescal was in '00' caps from someone. I never could see why ppl would resort to chugging cold meds for DXM, when it was such a shitty and worthless drug(to me). but that just goes to show everyone reacts differently to diff chemicals!

and stimulants do indeed loose the 'magic'. Meth does anyway. At first crystal gave me an amazing blissful euphoria similar to E without the trippyness. Made everything just that much ebtter, made me do everything that much better, made me open up to ppl, and just very very much like E was for me.. but after about maybe 20 seperate uses it lost the 'magic' or ex-like feeling and the stimulant properties dominated big time. Ecstacy also looses its magic like ice does! Big time!

All in all, I think you're screwed man...
It's like with most drugs I guess, like with opiates, at first you get the pure blissfull warm euphoria that just makes everything grand and it is so damn good you do it again expecting the same high, but you don't get it, so you use again, and again, and then start using more to try and get there, and you just never will get the high you did those first few uses, and then you're dependent and spending every buck on more shit.. you can't ever catch that same high again!!!! and it fucking sucks!!!!!!!

but good luck man, you will need it if wanting the 'magic' like you got when yoiu firset started any drug to come back..

later

[Deadfiend]

I not trying to hijack your thread resorcinol, but since your talking about MDMA, has any one tried "BK-MDMA" I hear its about the same just not as strong and its legal, I was going to start a new Thread about it but fuck it im lazy. I'm just trying to find out if its worth the price it selling at now, and if anyone has had it.

[resorcinol]

I not trying to hijack your thread resorcinol, but since your talking about MDMA, has any one tried "BK-MDMA" I hear its about the same just not as strong and its legal, I was going to start a new Thread about it but fuck it im lazy. I'm just trying to find out if its worth the price it selling at now, and if anyone has had it.

Yeak it's beta ketone MDMA aka MDMC aka 3,4-methylenedioxy-methcathinone AKA methylone. Nobody can agree on one name.

Some say they can't tell the difference between it and MDMA, others say that methylone is more dopaminergic and less empathetic feeling.

edit: but I've never tried either drug so IDK

[Hammilton]

Well, in the US Methylone (bk-MDMA / MDMC) is definitely illegal. It's a really obvious analogue. One atom seperating it. Well, Perhaps three if you count the missing hydrogens.

It seems a lot of people have reported this effect though.

[jacky]

I had some early, amazing experiences on cough syrup when I was in my teens.

I then took a 12 year break from dxm products.

after spending a decade doing dope, and once again habituated to opiates/opioids when I was 32, I started researching the new possibilitys of DXM.

those first few days were fun as hell.
low dose experiences.

I quickly found that I couldnt take more than 360 milligrams of DXM within a few hour period and have a good experience.

my optimum dosage for opiate tolerance augmentation was 50-80 milligrams a day.

I noticed a quick ramping up of synchronicity, and paranormal/occult type influences.
mostly though, my mind cleard up a bit after 3 years of poppy seed habituation.
my bowels started moving normally. I learned to type again, got the internet hooked up finally at my house the same week....this was right before I started opiophile with Billi.
it seemed in those first few weeks that my mind turned back on.
I was open to social interaction again. my dreams and aspirations took hold.
my goals materialized.
at the same point in time I decided to try and track down the interesting plant, lagochilus inebrians.
I realized the power of the internet in my life.
I tracked down the herb finally, after nearly a 6 month chase, dealing with shady connections in Uzbekistan.
the purported last few tons of the plant material were supposedly avialable...till some japanese influence purportedly took the whole lot before I could negotiate anything.
....I then got ripped off for 900$ from a pharmacy in Uzbekistan, that apparently carried the flowers of lagochilus inebrians...but....I was sent another plant material in the place of lagochilus.
it took a few months for a botanist, the same botanist that worked with salvia divinorum in the late 90's, to correctly identify the bunk lagochilus material.
still
I dealt with US customs, argued my rights with them...defending my scientific, and importation rights the whole way.
they said the FBI was notified of my recent importation.
I had to go through all that to then find out it wasnt even the right plant material anyway
a few months later...a bit broke from the experience of getting ripped off by an uscrupulous Dr, and director of a medical center in Uzbeck, I was finally contacted by a person somewhat known in the industry of "herb wrangling"...he was from Siberia,...but had connections in the middle east, and was able to send the herb to me eventually. even though I had to have another company finance the buy, and take a finders fee to obtain the material I needed for research.
a few months later, lagochilus inebrians isolate products came onto the market. by a japanese company.
I dont know if they synthesized what they sold, or if it was extracted from the same original biomass that I had been offered for sale initially.

this whole scenario was managed as a stressful, but fun project.
DXM at this dose seemed to have mostly beneficial effects on an opiate addicts life.

a few years before, I lost two freinds to heroin overdoses. both were disabled in some way, crippled, or amputee.
the amputee had ghost pains. the state cut him off of opiate medications after about 15 years of the amputation.
the crippled man was also cut off of opiate medication after a few decades after the accident.
both were brilliant guys.
one was an anthropology major, and archeologist, the amputee...
the state cut off their meds.
they were already experience with H...but once they were forced off their medication...they had no other choice really.
both ended up dying of overdoses.
a fucking waste.
I realized that DXM, according to some research, couldve possibly helped either of them...some amputee's experience relief from ghost pains, by taking DXM.
its interesting research...but not standard FDA practise.
research stuff.
but the use of DXM for opiate tolerance augmentation is obvious. and approved in some forms for chronic pain treatment.
the brand morphidex, was a 50/50 morphine to DXM preperation for control of tolerance effects experienced by terminal/chronic pain patients.
I think it was discontinued.
why mix the two drugs beforehand..when its better to use DXM sparingly.

anyway, I was beaming with energy on my daily DXM program.
I was taking poppy seeds, had a presription for tramadol, and was ordering codeine into the US via canada.
the first large shipments of kratom were now coming into the USA, because of pretty much the first commercial supply line being established on a solid basis.

it seemed to me that the life of junkies everywhere were going to be transformed if these discoverys were continued.

I was occasionally taking larger doses of DXM...for psychoactive/spiritual reasons.
paranormal events were happening around me and to me.
within a few months there was a small wave of UFO sightings in Boise.
weird stuff.
I experiences some spirit contact....ghosts. etc.
my mother was experiencing strange phenom.
it was a hectic time.

after 3 months...I was getting out of control.
delusions were manifesting.
actions were taking a toll.
I found that DXM had a "leash" effect on the phenylethylamine type psychedelics. this was right before operation webtryp...so there was alot of research chemicals going around in this town.
I was taking 2ct-2, and going about my regular daily business. family picnics. marriage. etc etc.
I was becoming a bit of a wreck with my DXM "experiment"

it took me finally a little over a year to quit the habit.
my anger level was high.
and I was frustrated by all the rip off, con artist, lazy fuckers that seemed to surround me.
I dont think it was an easy time for anyone in my family, being around my strange activity/personality.

it took a few people in the ethnobotanical scene, 1 word from the spirit of John C Lilly, and my Wife to make me realize I needed to quit the DXM.
even if I was only taking 50-80 milligrams still on a regular basis.

I think what was so hard about me realizing what had gone wrong...was that really, I handled myself well for the most part.
I have always had a belief system that is a bit wild I guess. or rather, openminded. sometimes too much.
with the strange phenomenon that had been going on in reality, observed by others around me NOT on DXM, it was hard with the influence of the DXM in my veins 24/7, to not get swept up in grandiose ideation.
I had quit some good jobs while on this year long sabbatical from concensus reality. but mainly not because I was on DXM...but because I worked for greedy, shit talking, lying, and possibly violent owner/managers.
if anything, my strange DXM mind, would NOT stand for bullshit from basic strangers or work mates.
I was quite aware from the start, that I might be a bit off.
but I had also called my core family members, informed them of my research project, and basically checked in with them on a weekly basis to help me assess the state of my mind.
at least in the first few months.

if any of you have read Terence McKenna's books, especially his 30 day long mushroom experience, maybe you could relate.
in the first 30 days of my DXM experiment, I noticed a similiar play out.
it was almost as if the 30 day period was marked noticeably in some way related to a mental process.
hard to explain.

it was a pretty strange period of my life.
when I would wake up in the morning...reality would seemingly come together, visually and physically, as if huge, turning plates of different realitys, black substance with spiritual/metaphysical architecture, would blend together and suddenly I was aware of coming out of a sort of higher plane.
it really gave me a good concept of the OM theory...where you have your different mindstates, all rolled up into one symbol and experience.

I have been diagnosed as an operable schizophrenic before this

I tricked myself into the fallacy, that just because I was able to function, actually in some ways,even excel, things were ok.

after a year, I realized things had gotten to the point, that they were going to get very bad, and very dark.
so I cleaned up my act. and weened off of DXM over several days.
I noticed definite withdrawl symptoms on the 4-5 days. those lasted a week.
my body and mind were pretty wore out from the constant stimulation of the DXM.

then I had the realizations, and the pain to face.
it wasnt overbearing. but it was a bit emberassing....and I had evidently pissed off a few people that I admired in the previous year, as far as communications with other researchers was involved.

it took alot to face up to what had transpired.
in one sense, I had realized that DXM can have very potent effects on addiction.
and that the drug can expand other psychoactives powers immenseley. (pukatea extract while taking DXM is a bit like taking cocaine, the potentiation of the dopamine activity of pukateine "seems" obvious, even if dubious)

but in the other hand, I had gone too far. acted like an idiot...fallen for classic pitfalls of the psychonaught.
I didnt care that he substance was much hated and maligned by much of the entheogen crowd.
and soon a new book came out apparently by a researcher that did get respect from the entheogen set, that focused pretty much primarily on DXM.

I had gone too far for my body, my mind, and my family.

it took a toll.

I fucked up a few connections.

but in the end, after a painful year of growing and getting past the hearbreaks of that year...I suck it up.

in the first few months it really did seem that my mind blowing experiences,..were actually manifesting in the reality around me.
my mother experienced pretty much to the day for that first month, a sort of complimentary, seemingly psychic connection with my experiences.
that first whole month was strange for more than just me. paranormal events were happening to a solid little group of freinds and family.

but yes, the MAGICK, died down quickly after that first month.

after quitting daily use of DXM, I cautiously got my toes back in the water, by taking DXM in 80-120 milligram doses for tolerance maintenance, once a week to once every two weeks.

I didnt do it for a month or so...and then one night took a total of 120 milligrams over a 5 hour period.
I suffered flu like symptoms. extreme nausea. and literally no good feelings.
I was sick half of the next day as well.
when it passed...I pretty much swore DXM off.
I would potentially mess with ketamine again...but not DXM.
and even then, being lucky as to have never really abused ketamine. I would be on the cautious side of things taking ket.

DXM and analogs of it, have alot of potential.

I think there is something very special regarding ketamine, DXM, salvinorin a, and consensus reality.
for me, I have had some important spiritual revelations on DXM. I could compare it maybe with ibogaine...though having never taken ibogaine in large doses, that would be just a loose comparison.
ketamine has given me some incredible experiences as well. and both compounds have seemed to coincide with some paranormal events in my life, that gave me a feeling that I can close the book on my athiestic, alcohol period.

all in all, I am happy with my DXM experience.
the most important thing it showed me, is what its like to be truly schizoid. ha ha.
it forced me into some humility I will say that. it was a painful thing to swallow, to realize I had at a certian point, blown the doors off of the experiment, and created a bit of hell on earth with my stupidity, and my goal searching, grasping, and selfish ways.
I wouldnt be who I am know without that chemical leash experience.
but I would never go through that again.

delusions of grandeur, taking the mental bait, the whole delusionary experiences, mixed in with the truly moving, and amazing experiences, are part of the package.
its a road that is open to re-examination....but hopefully not re experience.

for some people, DXM is one of the most horrid chemical traps I can think of.
I would only reccomend on a once weekly basis, even as an opiate augmentation tool.

keep your children away from it.
it is one substance I think should be over the counter, but not avialable to minors.

I noticed that once a week, would help opiate tolerance, keep the bowels moving freely, and have some potentiation effects on opiates for a few days.
taking on a daily basis...I think is overdoing it.

for me know, the only magick with the DXM, is in my memorys.

[pinn3d]

Yeah I know of what you speak------

DXM was my FAVORITE drug--- for a little while---- back before I had an opiate habit----- I lOVED it...... It was SO MUCH FUN-------- For a while I was using once a week---- usually 150-300 mg's per dose.....

I had a routine---- I would get all my obligations done--- school work, papers, bills, ALL THAT----- then on friday I'd go to the store, get some food to have for dinner---- and pick up the ole Gel - caps......

I'd always call my family-- tell them I loved them and everything... because I was always alone while I tripped----- once I had all my obligations done I would dose up in the late afternoon/ early evening----

I'd usually take a shower after chasing down the gel caps w/ some SUPER FOOD by Odwalla....... then I'd fucking have a blast!!!

I always felt so cozey and lovey-dovey with myself on DXM---- I would always have my shit in order---- clean room, good buds saved up----- I'r usually pop in a Nat Geo Documentary and let that roll while I played guitar and sang, painted, exercised---- whatever I felt like....... never really enjoyed video games while on DXM though------ had to usually be creative in some way, and usually felt like exercising or stretching while I was high------


The good times lasted for months----- I woudl go for long breaks---- months off, but it seems like after a few years, the joy went away----- Instead of feeling like I was a kid and could just have fun, I would get kind of antsy, or start thinking too much about DXM and how it's legal, the Govt, my mind, my health---- it was too weird.....

I knew it was over when my trips just turned out to be the same same same same same.... nothing new... no new revelations or insight into myself----- I started just feeling wasted after a trip, whereas at fiirst I would have an afterglow , ya know?

Nowadays, I would get 'fucked up' off of 60-90 mg's........ sometimes I'll take some before some opiates, and that feels alright---- spacey and creamy and colory and deep...... but it sucks man---- even right now, when I think about 'the good ole days', I feel the urge to take it again--- like a full dose-- 300mg to see what would happen---- but I know it will just be a head-ache----


Luckily though--- I have not reached the same thing with MDMA, because I've only had it 3 times----- so I take solace in the idea that I still have many great Ecstacy trips laying ahead of me....


Ah, DXM---- how Ionce loved you----- I wish I could go back in time--- because If I could, I would go back to when I was 18--- and I'd trip DXM!!!

* Edit--- Ok--- so after reminescing on DXM I decided to take a small dose tonight before my regular evening opiate dose..... just 30 mg..... for old times sake ;)

It's hard to leave DXM behind completely--- I really had some of the best times of my life on that drug-----

[Opiyum]

I think this has to do with the set and setting aspect of taking psychedelics.
Once you've "tripped" so many times off any particular sacrament your expectations are going to influence you whether you know it or not.
Excessive or repeated use of any psychedelic is going to result in a sort of diminished return. You just get to a point where there is no question to ask and therefore no answer is going to be given. Then the waters become muddied and the trip becomes more confusing resulting in a paranoid nightmarish trip.
Other than a possible Ibogaine trip in my future (hinging on funds) I am for the most part turned off by any long acting Psychedelic. DMT and Salvia are the only kind I would consider taking in my current state....Maybe Psilocybin but that's as far as I would go with it.

[pinn3d]

I think this has to do with the set and setting aspect of taking psychedelics.
Once you've "tripped" so many times off any particular sacrament your expectations are going to influence you whether you know it or not.
Excessive or repeated use of any psychedelic is going to result in a sort of diminished return. You just get to a point where there is no question to ask and therefore no answer is going to be given. Then the waters become muddied and the trip becomes more confusing resulting in a paranoid nightmarish trip.
Other than a possible Ibogaine trip in my future (hinging on funds) I am for the most part turned off by any long acting Psychedelic. DMT and Salvia are the only kind I would consider taking in my current state....Maybe Psilocybin but that's as far as I would go with it.
That's right------ I knew I was getting into some 'muddy waters' after a while.... it just wasn;'t the same---- but damn for a while there it was a gorgeous, pristine waterfall on a tropical island paradise with nude lovely ladies, and comfortable clean warm water....

[ryan]

My experiences with DXM were very magical at first, like you resource.

I too loved the way it made music sound..I thought it was the perfect drug.
It was my DOC for a very long time.

At first I started with coricidins, and then found how to get pure powder online.

Pretty soon I was ordering 25+ grams per month and tripping every other night.

My standard dose became 1-2 grams...and every trip was 3rd or 4th plateau...

I eventually came to a point where I was doing it EVERY day, and I could not function...

It got real bad for me then. Talk about loss of magic...it was like I was braindead...every trip was so mentally similar it wasn't fun any more..
And oh yeah, I would have these night sweats also...I would wake up every hour or so about 7-8 times during the night (after a hard trip every night), and have to change my shirt every time cause I was drenched in sweat.

I've often thought about doing it sometime again but I don't think I could handle it. Towards the end I had a few bad trips, and it took me about a year to recover physically and mentally from those few months that I was tripping all the time...so I doubt I will try it again.

From what everyone says, I doubt it would be worth it to even consider it.

[cactus31]

I've experienced the same effect. It only works so many times before the magic is gone forever :(


And now you forced me to reminisce about a drug I haven't touched in years;

I can't even begin to describe the amazing adventures I've had on DXM. I'm not being dramatic whatsoever when i clearly say that that drug opened my mind to things I would have never imagined otherwise....I've had some extremely complex thoughts, a new sense of understanding of the world, of the universe and everything in it, all because of DXM...I've dipped into my own mind past the point of comfort and was forced to (re)examine things about myself, who I am, and who I can be.

It is impossible to put into words the outstanding potential this drug has for those who are willing to hit the 4th plateau. Wow.

Sadly, I'll never trip again (personal decision), but that chemical is nothing short of incredible.

[DCBA]

I remember when I first started expierementing with DXM about 2 years ago.

I did alot of research on it before and while I was trying it, and one thing that I distinctly recall reading about is the tolerance that you build up to it, and its something that, basically, is unrepairable.

Thats what kind of scared me about it, but of course, didnt stop me from trying it, more than once, lol, for the same reason you did.

:cool:

Tolerance is not irreparible, i've been 4 years without opies and then all the time of my life with tramadol and codeine , recreation methadone and then so heroin as same story..

[scikid]

Used to love the stuff, me and a friend of mine would use it all the time. It loses its magic, now whenever I even take a medicinal doses I can "feel" it.

SWIM will very rarely will use K, but wouldn't ever consider using DXM again. SWIM always liked K way better

[SHELLEY]

i took a bunch of that dxm powder one time, don't know how much (thats how i roll, i guess)
all i did was puke and sleep and get scared, my throat was like sandpaper,
my head was throbbing and felt too heavy while everything was too far away
i couldnt tell when my hands were touching something or if i was asleep or awake

i tried to "snap out of it" with some coke, but that just made shit worse
i believe there are some druggies who just CAN'T handle any sort of halluciongens (ex: me)

[spider]

i believe there are some druggies who just CAN'T handle any sort of halluciongens (ex: me)


And most definitely ME.

[feelings of u4ia]

... the magic if used too frequently? What do you folks think?

First, some drugs that don't really "loose the magic" in the strictest sense (all drugs become less enjoyable with frequent or long term use to some degree). Opioids, ethanol, stims (releasers and DNRIs), and maybe benzos don't seem to "loose the magic".



Opiates most certainly lose the magic...pharmaceutical opiates do at least, not sure about IV Heroin. But speaking from personal experience...no matter what the dose anymore (upwards of 400mg of Oxycodone at once) I am lucky to catch a nice little head rush for 5 minutes. I don't even remember what nodding is like, nor do I remember the itchies (which is miss soo much.)

On topic: Any drugs that you over-do are going to lose their magic in some sense. You might still feel the effects from the drug, but if you don't moderate your use and just go crazy with it, the drug just isn't going to be the same, unless you slow down your use. I have experienced that with every drug I have over-used. Cocaine loses it's magic after the first few lines, haha. You spend the rest of the night chasing that high you got from the first line. MDMA is a special, amazing experience, that should really be moderated if you want to keep it special. Use it too much, and you will start to look at it as just another drug, and not an experience.

With that said, I could see how DXM could lose it's magic after abusing it, just like most drugs do.

Moderation is the key, as cliche as it sounds.

[scikid]

^^^

The effects of alcohol tend to change over time. It loses alot of its euphoric qualities and the sedative effects increase. I don't know if this is due to tolerance or daily usage. I'm not getting tanked every night but I usually have a few at night. Not the healthiest of habits but its pretty tame to what I once was, helps keep me off the other stuff for the most part.

[ryan]

Hehe, good thing this thread popped up again..

Two weekends ago, when I was kicking, I went to the medicine cabinet to take some ibu or look for some left over ambiens..found a bottle of DXM pills (don't remember which brand but it had no additives just dxm)..

Not thinking and just wanting a break from the WD's, I popped all of them and prayed that they would somehow put me to sleep..

They didn't, but I *did* have a pretty cool trip..i think it was only about 300mg that I took total (I was very surprised how strong it was, cause I remember back in the day doing ALOT more)

It took away some of the body aches and electric "buzz" withdrawal feelings and replaced it with that anestecized (sp) dxm feeling -- which was very welcome -- mentally my mind got a break from craving heroin -- but I was going all over the place..all in all it was a good experience -- I haven't tripped since 2003..., except for the mad diahreah that I had the next two days (Not from WD, I am certain of this [was taking bupe]).

[DCBA]

For me DXM was a mystical drug, a drug that i used to explore my inner mind, i have had some of the most psychedelic experiences from very high doses of DXM, but even the lower plateaus were fun at first, i definitely used to love the effect it has on motion from your body in the first plateau, and could handle a plateau 1 or 2 in public but the next ones it had to be done in private or at least with very trusting people.

But then it lost the magic after about a year of DXM abuse, i was using it too much and the tolerance was shapping the feeling that i could get from the experience, the magic was gone, it used to be very magical, specially when i used with cannabis (that at the time was very potent to me too..), i would be in a good magical place, but the anxiety and bad symptons with time overpowered the experience and the magic was gone after a few months but i kep using it for about 2 years..

But since then about 12 years had passed and i tried a 200mgs dose of DXM and had a mystical experience again, not quite the mystic that early experiences had but it certainly had magic, and by the 3th hour i took ketamine with it and it turned into a very magical experience but it was until the Ketamine was added..

So if your like me and you make a pause of about 12 years then the magic will return.. ;)

[resorcinol]

"First, some drugs that don't really "loose the magic" in the strictest sense (all drugs become less enjoyable with frequent or long term use to some degree). Opioids, ethanol, stims (releasers and DNRIs), and maybe benzos don't seem to "loose the magic"."

There have been enough posts wrt this comment that I want to respond to it / re-evaluate it.

I was sticking to a very strict definition of loosing the magic. Opioids, for example, become a lot less fun, but the effects that we desire are still there, just weaker ... and they seem less "magical" sure than they did at first. However, with DXM, the sought after effects TOTALLY and COMPLETELY dried up after excessive tripping ... the very effects that made it recreational went away, and no dose upping to account for tolerance could bring traces of these feelings back. The drug's nature changes completely ... from recreational and entheogenic to just a chemical to fuck up your balance (seriously). With opioids, over time they became less oh my fucking god amazing like the first few times ... but the recreational euphoria was still achievable with an increased dose, just with somewhat lesser overall enjoyment. I've found benzos to be similar. I've never built a tolerance big enough to uppers to know ... so maybe they do loose the magic.

MDMA users describe a loss of magic similar to what I experienced with DXM hence the comparison. Psychedelic users likewise speak of such a magic loss.

So to a degree yeah, all drugs, due to tolerance and psychological familiarity, loose the magic to some degree --- but I'm talking TOTAL loss of magic, the drug becomes something so extremely inferior to what it once was - that's what happened to me with DXM and excessive use.