How many plan for W/D in advance??

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I didn't use to but got sick of W/D hitting w/o any meds or things to ease it. When I'm down to about 20 Norco I'll start planning. This month all I have is a bottle full of clonodine but I'm not complaining it's prob the best W/D med for opiates IMO. I'll take two .5mg clons in the AM then 2 at night and it usually does the trick. I try not to ever bitch about being in W/D because I play the game, I know whats going to happen when I run out, I'm doing it to myself so gotta suck it up and take it. Like it's been said many times on this board you can't have the good w/o the bad. I just wished I felt like this all the time... Hell just give me an allday glow of 2 Norco and I'd be great. Something about opiates that bring out the best in me. And w/o it brings OUT the worst...literally haha ok that was gross haha What's your guys thoughts on this?? Do you plan in advance for W/D? Or do you just play it day by day? Does any have a specific method they follow everytime like Sick Boy off Trainspotting?

[pinn3d]

I plan on not having WDs by re-upping before my current supply runs out------ I realize that not everybody can do this, but for me, it's the only way to go.....

If I WAS going to WD, I would definitely want to do it having planned first.... I would NOT want to run out and have to do an unexpected WD.... THAT would suck.....

[Fillthee]

Same here. Swim trys to buy as soon as s/he starts running low. If the cash is available swim collects shit. If a decent deal comes up. Even if not in need.

[rockbottom]

hell yes always had to have some plan for the W/D-----i would panic if i didnt---normally if i was addicted i would do my best to have a 3day supply--over what i needed for the day---only had a couple unexpected W/Ds from theft or from flaky dealers and once from a short jail stay--like 2days---and i had my supply waiting when i got home and totally fuck that waking up sick shit i always had a wake up---and if money got short and crime didnt pay id do a California methadone detox---thats 3 weeks and mostly after that i'd stay clean for extended periods of time

[hydro chris]

^^i can have a whole script and still be worrying about my next one.
i started useing opie like 8 years now.. it all started with a broken bone.
when i started id never would plan a detox or w/ds in advance when i got low on pills..
after many detoxes i plan those bitches now.

[bronyraur]

Well, I haven't experienced WDs in a long while (I go to a PM doc and my scripts last the entire month), but never the less, I'm prepared for WDs just in case. I keep clonidine and benzos on hand. Hopefully I won't need to use them.

I think it's better to be prepared for WDs than to go through it unexpectedly.

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I think it's better to be prepared for WDs than to go through it unexpectedly.

Couldn't agree more bro

[superman]

usually when i run out i have half a shot glass ful of hydromorph contin left over bead powder.

this gets me by for a week or two, affecting a nice slow taper. essential is my trusty 125ml SS boiling pot.

also, before i run out, i make sure to add a few pills to my shot glass of washes, that way it's strong when i switch to it, and lasts long enough to allow a good taper. make sure you freeze the wet material immediately after each extraction to ensure it doesn't go bad after a few days of use.

[oxyjon]

This month Im using a different approach as to not run out of my meds. I went out and bought one of those 30 day pill cases. I filled each slot up, even the extra days and every morning I take the days worth and use my bottle. So far this is working really well. I haven't cut into any other days early. And when its refill time I should have 2 extra days of meds. And that will be sweet because I've never had enough self control to do that.

[In2TheWoods]

I am terrified of withdrawal. In the months when my pain is really bad, I sometimes run out early and then I have a dilemma on my hands. If I tell the Dr, I run the risk of being labelled an abuser and I just cannot risk that. If I do nothing, I will have 0 meds which means a WD / pain combo.



So i have to prepare not so much to manage WDs as to avoid them at all costs. What I have been doing is coming up with another reason for an early fill. I go out of town to help a relative who has lung cancer a lot and I actually time it so that I go a week before my meds become available so I need to pick them up early. However, I think even that excuse is wearing thin. I'm considering a hobby in the area of floral arrangement. Even if it's not a very effective analgesic ( I don't if it is as I've never tried) at least it might be able to mitigate WDs. This thread is a good reminder to get that all lined up.

[nycjrt]

these days i take the sub route, so detoxes are not as bad as ct- that said, as mentioned on this board many times sub is a weird drug, and the longer you are on it (in my experience, even low doses) the harder it is to 'jump' back and forth between doc/subs- i used to have blow out weekends where i would enjoy my doc from weds.- sun, wake up monday morning w/ some bupe and off to work, no problems- now i have to even plan the switch over to sub- make sure i have at least a day or so off from work/obligations so i can stay home and rest, dose as needed- occasionally subs will put me into precip. w/d even after a full 24 hours, sometimes i can use it in as little as six hours, it's become a dice-toss, and too unreliable for work - even then, it takes a few days to feel good enough for work/socialising- i am comfortable, but need to stay home and sleep for a day or so...befor subs/bupe i would actually plan m ct like in trainspoting- wait until i exhausted every source of income, try to taper down a few days and amass a stockpile of clonidine, soma, benzos and white wine, call out sick at work (flu) ...three days later, i was able to function, inevitably by payday i was back on dope :o

[Suboxstitute]

Wow - I admire everyone's self control. I have ZERO PLANNING skills when it comes to this shit, even though I am generally not a irrational person in other parts of my life.

Me? Well, now that I'm not worried about where my next opiate is coming from (it's coming from a bottle at the pharmacy with a label "suboxone" on it) now its benzos that have me in their grip. I am scripted a decent amount of kpins (from my shrink, not sub doc, sub doc does not write benzos and by rights in his clinic I should not even be on them but I sorta have a pass from my shrink. "Don't ask, don't do a UA".

but with the kpins.....two weeks or a little more, and the bottle is empty.:(

Reidulous, I know, but my WD plan (as I pop my last two pills) is this: "I will figure something out tomorrow"

A friend may help out. I'll find some hidden in the house. I'll imagine (never done it) tat I will drive to a small city ER miles away inbrndo W/Ds, and throw myself on their mercy....

It usually works out, and with kpins you luckily have a grace period of up to 3-4 days ( I do at least) before the real bad WD symptoms begin in earnest/

WHY DO i PUT MYSELF THRU THIS EACH AND EVERY MONTH?

Sue

[oxy kid]

I used to always plan for W/Ds...now I just always have a bottle of Subs.

[OCintheOC]

i cant speak for anyone else but 2 clonidine a day wouldnt help me. actually 20 norcos would probably hold me over for about 4 hrs MAYBE. with a stomach ache. the key is to make sure you dont run out

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

i cant speak for anyone else but 2 clonidine a day wouldnt help me. actually 20 norcos would probably hold me over for about 4 hrs MAYBE. with a stomach ache. the key is to make sure you dont run out
Yeah, LUCKILY my habit isn't that bad. By God it use to be.......it sure use to be.

[resorcinol]

I always have copious amounts of klonopin and propranolol and oxazepam on hand, so I never plan w/d anymore. If it happens, I have a ton of benzos and beta blockers. 5 mg klonopin and 60 mg propranolol with 6 mg loperamide prn acutally makes me feel HUMAN even in FENTANYL withdrawals. It's a killer w/d combo.

Most of the w/d discomfort is anxiety and akathisia for me (mental and physical restlessness). The first is caused by CNS amygdala hyperactivity, the latter by sympathetic hyperactivity and disregulation. The klon calms the amygdala, and the propranolol blocks epinephrine from binding to its receptors in the sympathetic nervous system, calming it down. The only thing left is the depression. But it just feel like depression, not "I want to fucking smash my skull open to stop it!" shit.

[Narkotikon]

I've made those w/d kits before, usually with Phenergan, Clonidine, Vistaril, and even Bendaryl (but I hate it in w/d...makes the legs worse for me). Never had anything other than that though. To be honest, I have a hard time saving stuff, especially if I don't have anything else at the time. That probably wouldn't apply if you're actively using. So, why take Subs or methadone or benzos if you're on the H or pods or whatever. But, if you aren't using, and intend to save Subs or benzos for when you do start to use again, that's where I have a problem. Rather than wait until I can get better drugs, I"ll do a bump or two of Sub then potentiate it with a benzo. I just can't save pills, especially if I don't have anything else.

I also "try" to taper my dose of whatever down when I know I'll run out and can't get anymore. Helps sometimes, sometimes not. Tapering is a very difficult thing to do.

[lilred0005]

The older I get, the harder w/d become for me. It has gotten so bad that I am TERRIFIED of w/d. I even shot dope a few months ago when I ran out of my meds early & I haven't done h in 4 yrs. I am a cp patient with a very unsympthetic Dr. so I tend to run out early. Mercifully I acquired some done so I can plan for w/d but I'd be frantic if I didn't have the done. I get SO SICK, it feels like I am strangling + rl + shits, ect. I just can't deal anymore. Wierd part is it wasn't always like this, I've ct off IV H several times, dilaudid, & even 100mcg Duragesic & gotten by but not anymore. Just from 28-32 it's much worse. Has anyone else noticed that w/d has become much worse and much harder as you have gotten older? Anybody else completely unable to deal with w/d anymore?

[digby]

I have been on opiates for CP for over 10 years now, and the longer it goes, the more I dread the feared withdrawals as well. So I have chosen not to do a voluntary withdrawal for many years now, whereas before I used to do one every 6 to 12 months. It has cost me in tolerance though so unless it slows down soon I may be forced to withdraw just to lower my tolerance and boy am I not looking forward to that.

Those of you who don't plan ahead for W/D though....you certainly have more courage than me at this point. I don't like to give the doctors and pharmacies so much control over my life in the sense if they are late with a prescription for any number of reasons, that I would then be forced into the excruciating pain of cold turkey withdrawal. I always keep a few extra pills on hand for just such an emergency or to allow a gradual taper if unexpectedly cut off. To my way of thinking, it is a lot easier to just put an extra pill or two a month away than have to muster up the self discipline and will power to go through a withdrawal cold turkey.

[lilred0005]

I have been on opiates for CP for over 10 years now, and the longer it goes, the more I dread the feared withdrawals as well. So I have chosen not to do a voluntary withdrawal for many years now, whereas before I used to do one every 6 to 12 months. It has cost me in tolerance though so unless it slows down soon I may be forced to withdraw just to lower my tolerance and boy am I not looking forward to that.

Those of you who don't plan ahead for W/D though....you certainly have more courage than me at this point. I don't like to give the doctors and pharmacies so much control over my life in the sense if they are late with a prescription for any number of reasons, that I would then be forced into the excruciating pain of cold turkey withdrawal. I always keep a few extra pills on hand for just such an emergency or to allow a gradual taper if unexpectedly cut off. To my way of thinking, it is a lot easier to just put an extra pill or two a month away than have to muster up the self discipline and will power to go through a withdrawal cold turkey.

You would volun. w/d? What about your cp? How long would you stay off ur meds? I ask because my tolerance is thru the roof. I'm going to need to do something about it eventually. I'm with you, I just can't stand w/d anymore. I just can't believe just how sick I get. Last w/d my bp was 220/180 @ the inpatient detox & they literally ran to get the methadone. Whew....they gave huge doses at that place but that's another story,lol. Back to w/d, after last years hellish cycles of running out every month, I now have a back up plan. As a cp patient too do you worry about getting cut off? I do. There is so much random b.s. to worry about like a fucked up drug test or the clinic getting shut down or even problems at the Dr. office. Just last month I saw a patient get cut off, this guy was dropped like a hot potato. Why? Because he was smoking in front of the office & that's against the rules. Nice huh.

[OrangeLude]

Couldn't agree more bro

Could be considered dangerous to not plan for w/d's and be prepared for physical consequences - depends on level of dependency.

As posted above - I try not to run out. When its close I monitor & maintain.

Swim would always be prepared when running out of opi's

At this point in life there is no need to punish myself with cold turkey or no comfort meds to support a with drawl plan...

[lilred0005]

I don't understand the masochistic idea that if you "play" you've gotta "pay". A lot of us are on opies for a legit reason. Sure, we don't exactly mind the buzz(lol) but even if you just take them to get high, I don't see why you gotta kick ct. I don't think I'm a pussy cause I can't handle w/d, it's physical not just mental. Do you all think ct w/d gets harder as you get older?

[buc]

Well, I haven't experienced WDs in a long while (I go to a PM doc and my scripts last the entire month), but never the less, I'm prepared for WDs just in case. I keep clonidine and benzos on hand. Hopefully I won't need to use them.

I think it's better to be prepared for WDs than to go through it unexpectedly.
Same here. I've been on meds for chronic pain for thirteen years. Only a few rare times have I completely run out before my next Dr. visit. When that has happened it was only for a day or two max. Still I wish I was perscribed more...........My current PM Dr. takes care of me but a little more would be nice.

[OxiContinKing]

I always have copious amounts of klonopin and propranolol and oxazepam on hand, so I never plan w/d anymore. If it happens, I have a ton of benzos and beta blockers. 5 mg klonopin and 60 mg propranolol with 6 mg loperamide prn acutally makes me feel HUMAN even in FENTANYL withdrawals. It's a killer w/d combo.

I didnt think there was anything to make you feel anything even remotley close to human durring fent withdrawls. I have gone through them 3 times, and all 3 times they have been so fuckin bad I have contemplated suicide numerous times, and the last time, I was almost close to going through with it. So far, those 3 times have been my worst w/d expierence ever, but then again, I've been lucky enough to not have to w/d off of this methadone yet, thank god, and knock on wood *knock*knock*.

Thanks for the recipe, surley noted.

+1.

[lilred0005]

I've gone thru Fent. w/d(100mcg) before & w/ no prescrip. comfort meds but ironically it was one of my easiest. I now know it was because I took tons of DXM, at the time I didn't know cold meds had all that stuff in it. W/d only lasted 3 days & I slept almost the whole time. I think I was too fucked up to feel much. Unfortunatly my tolerance is so high now that I doubt it would work the same now.

[OxiContinKing]

your lucky man my shit was bad...real fuckin bad...like i said...my worst yet...

i had one 50mcg fent patch everyday for about 3 months...

and then, bam! cold turkey son...

2 weeks of pure hell...

all day, everyday...

[JunkBombJamie]

Because there are always a few days a month when I know I wont be able to get dope because of financial reasons I always try to keep some things for backup. Also, I like to take 2 or 3 days a month off from shooting dope just to keep my tolerace in check, though it is still too high...

Pods are the best thing because unlike subs you dont have to worry about precipitated w/d and you wont have any bupe blocking your receptors when you do get dope. If its going to be a whole day that I wont have dope I will make 2 batches of tea. 1 in the morning using 15 large pods, and 1 in the late afternoon using 10 large pods, if I have that many of course. It doesnt really get me high but it keeps me well.

My backup for when I dont have pods is a combo of tramadol, generic fioricet, and soma. Tramadol- I usualy take about 200mgs, 4 times a day. Fioricet- usualy 2 pills, 3 or 4 times a day. Soma- 1 or 2 350mg pills at night. This method is alright, I still have very little motivation, little appetite, and my sleep is not the best. But it is alot better than nothing. The thing about tramadol is it takes a couple hours to metabolize into morphine, so if I know Im going to be sick the next day I will take some when I wake up at night to pee.

I had a good online source that I got 120mg. er dihydrocodeine pills at a really good price. But they just went under. Chewing up two of those pills in the a.m. would help if I didnt have a wake up shot.

All of these items ( except the DHC ) are easy to get on the internet. I usualy set aside some money on payday towards my w/d helpers.

[kjjy]

[quote=OxiContinKing;358719]I didnt think there was anything to make you feel anything even remotley close to human durring fent withdrawls. I have gone through them 3 times, and all 3 times they have been so fuckin bad I have contemplated suicide numerous times, and the last time, I was almost close to going through with it. So far, those 3 times have been my worst w/d expierence ever,


Totally agree . It is fast and FURIOUS. Nothing helps,
Except mdone and thats going main line;)

[Raz]

Hell yeah.....No way is Razzle goin fru cold turkey hell.......Last time i tried goin cold turkey was 5yrs ago.....

I was in hell....My pupils went completely black, no eye color at all....I was disorientated and fucked up, so much so that even da mrs said "fuck it, you gotta score, go find some gear"......Thats was after 2 weeks a hell,real hell...I dont even wanna describe wat i went fru

I was in a strange country, didnt speak espanol then and didnt know a soul in da scene....Did i find gear?....Hell yeah, within 2 fuckin hrs of beginning my search....

Now i dont fuck about, always have at least a half litre of 5mg/1ml methadone in ma fridge....

[digby]

You would volun. w/d? What about your cp? How long would you stay off ur meds? I ask because my tolerance is thru the roof. I'm going to need to do something about it eventually. I'm with you, I just can't stand w/d anymore. I just can't believe just how sick I get. Last w/d my bp was 220/180 @ the inpatient detox & they literally ran to get the methadone. Whew....they gave huge doses at that place but that's another story,lol. Back to w/d, after last years hellish cycles of running out every month, I now have a back up plan. As a cp patient too do you worry about getting cut off? I do. There is so much random b.s. to worry about like a fucked up drug test or the clinic getting shut down or even problems at the Dr. office. Just last month I saw a patient get cut off, this guy was dropped like a hot potato. Why? Because he was smoking in front of the office & that's against the rules. Nice huh.

Yes, I would voluntarily w/d and I would stay off opiates for as long as I could. I always have the same fantasy that my CP has improved and that I can stay off the hard stuff permanently after my w/d. Of course that is never the case and eventually the pain and forced immobility force me to start taking pills again. But the tolerance has gone down each time and if I'm careful I can keep it down pretty good until it slowly starts creeping up again. It used to take me about 6 to 8 months before my tolerance was back to what it originally was, but time frame has probably dropped to 3 or 4 months now - I'm not sure. It has been several years since I did it.

I was thinking just this morning though that the depression of w/d probably has a direct link to the amount of euphoria a person experienced during their drug cycle. Lots of pain patients don't have any problem with w/d and I attribute that to the fact that the pain limited the euphoria that they experienced and so when w/d time came, there was no balancing of the system that needed to take place. I can't prove it, but it seems logical.