for those who need opiates to be happy, LOOK HERE!

[superman]

As always I was sponging up information the other day when i encountered these two topics/pages that are highly relevent to many of us here who depend on opiates to maintain our physical anbd psychological well-being.

The first and most important topic/page i want to discuss could be incredably relevent for so many people that suffer from autoimmune and psychological problems that i suggest that EVERBODY reads this site because while it may not be relevant to you youself, it will almost certainly be highly relevent for family members or friends.

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org

The basic idea is this; by taking 4.5mg of naltrexone once daily before bed, you can cause your body to ramp up production of endogenous opioids which in turn affects many peoples diseases in an extremely positive way.

Supposedly this treatment has caused numerous diseases to go into remission including cancer, MS, AIDS, FMS, crohns, depression, schizophrenia, lupus, parkinsons, ALS, alzheimers, CFS, psoriasis, arthritis, suffice it to say, the list is very extensive.
So please, if everybody could have a quick glance at this page, and bookmark for future reference, and pass the word on to friends and family, we might be able to help this treatment catch on before big pharma tries to stomp it into oblivion.

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The second work i was talking about is concerning the possibility that certain drug-seeking behaviors are triggered by the body's need for particular amino acids. The site groups the drugs of abuse into 4 groups, each group being linked to a defeciency in certain amino acids that can easily, and cheaply be added to anyones diet thereby possibly reducing the drug seeking behavior, but more importantly, enhance mood, health and quality of life.

http://www.carasac.org/cara.shtml
--- please note, the relevant part of the site is currently down, i assume due to heavy traffic because it was working a few days ago. it is the first link in the main body, under "click here for more information!"

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Now don't get me wrong people, I love to get high and probably always will, but i also like to take care of my long term health, both physical and psychological, and if this research can help me be happy and healthy without being high, and at little cost, then i'm going to do it. At least then it will be cheaper to feel good using my DOC's.

[Narkotikon]

The protein thing seems interesting. The naltrexone / Revia thing, however, seems counterintuitive and like torture to me. I say run far, far away from Revia, even if it is low-dose.

[kellyblue]

Wow! Thanks for the info, I'm reading it now. I have Fibro, among other things, and am always interested in new treatments. I will definately talk to my doc about this...

[Opiyum]

The brief blockade of opioid receptors between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. that is caused by taking LDN at bedtime each night is believed to produce a prolonged up-regulation of vital elements of the immune system by causing an increase in endorphin and enkephalin production. Normal volunteers who have taken LDN in this fashion have been found to have much higher levels of beta-endorphins circulating in their blood in the following days.

That's very interesting stuff right there.
I know Naloxone is different but everything I've read states that naloxone also blocks natural endorphins so I wonder if it potentially has the same uses as Naltrex.

[Paregoric Kid]

ultra low dose naltrexone potentiates opiates, anyways, there are better ways to stimulate endorphin/enkephalin production, like cranial electrotherapy stimulation.

[pharmboy]

I knew a guy on Revia, the only thing it did for him was make him want

to commit suicide.

[ka11ink]

I knew a guy on Revia, the only thing it did for him was make him want

to commit suicide.


Sounds about right.

[ryan]

The second work i was talking about is concerning the possibility that certain drug-seeking behaviors are triggered by the body's need for particular amino acids. The site groups the drugs of abuse into 4 groups, each group being linked to a defeciency in certain amino acids that can easily, and cheaply be added to anyones diet thereby possibly reducing the drug seeking behavior, but more importantly, enhance mood, health and quality of life.
http://www.carasac.org/cara.shtml
--- please note, the relevant part of the site is currently down, i assume due to heavy traffic because it was working a few days ago. it is the first link in the main body, under "click here for more information!"
.

My suboxone doctor got me into this when I first started on it back in 2003. I bought all these different types of supplements and crap, and they didn't do a god damn thing. That's just me though. I don't remember all the names but I am certain that this is what they were (the amino acid thing). I still have the bottles somewhere I guess if i'm bored tomorrow I can go find them. Anyways, yeah, didn't work at all. Huge waste of money. Not trying to defer anyone from this though, just saying my experience.

The naltrexone thing sounds cool, but the thing is I can never get to the point where I'm totally clean unless I'm in jail or something.

[limitless_euphoria]

ultra low dose naltrexone potentiates opiates, anyways, there are better ways to stimulate endorphin/enkephalin production, like cranial electrotherapy stimulation.

Or maybe if you're feeling adventureous some rigid exercise. :) But I'll admit it, I'd be curious to see what cranial electrotheripy stimulation--wait, is THAT just LOW DOSE electroshock treatment? :D

[Hydro-Joe]

Thank you Superman for posting that information. It is quite interesting. It's no telling what will change or become available in the next ten years.

Hydro-Joe

[Seedy]

I've looked into the low dose naltrexone thing before and even been in contact with one of the doctors who runs the site regarding LDN for opiate withdrawal. He was very supportive and said that was one of the applications that inspired the idea but since there's no money to be made on naltrexone any more (patent expired) there was no possibility of getting funding for trials (and helping drug addicts is very low on the list).

Unfortunately I'd just done a taper on suboxone and couldn't go nong enough to get it out of my system to start on the LDN but in theory this could help recovery greatly.

[superman]

I knew a guy on Revia, the only thing it did for him was make him want

to commit suicide.


revia is a 50mg tablet. no doubt that would fuck a person up severely. LDN is 4.5mg daily, and for certain persons the dose must be lowered. sure it's the same compound, but the result is completely different.
worth noting however is that for the price it may be worthwhile to get a revia script and make your own 4.5mg capsules.


ultra low dose naltrexone potentiates opiates, anyways, there are better ways to stimulate endorphin/enkephalin production, like cranial electrotherapy stimulation.

who says introducing electricity into your head is better? this research is brand fucking new here and for all we know it could totally blow all previous methods out of the water. and besides that, the results speak for themself. as they say, the proof is in the pudding, and so far this looks like some incredible fucking pudding that's been able to halt even cancers. can the electrotherapy you speak of save people from cancer? didn't think so..


My suboxone doctor got me into this when I first started on it back in 2003. I bought all these different types of supplements and crap, and they didn't do a god damn thing. That's just me though. I don't remember all the names but I am certain that this is what they were (the amino acid thing). I still have the bottles somewhere I guess if i'm bored tomorrow I can go find them. Anyways, yeah, didn't work at all. Huge waste of money. Not trying to defer anyone from this though, just saying my experience.
The naltrexone thing sounds cool, but the thing is I can never get to the point where I'm totally clean unless I'm in jail or something.

indeed supplimenting your diet with amino acids is hardly going to have as profound of an effect as shooting heroin, but for some people it could make all the difference in the world.


Thank you Superman for posting that information. It is quite interesting. It's no telling what will change or become available in the next ten years.

Hydro-Joe

Your welcome! please spread the word! Distribution of this information is our responsibility because we can guarentee that big pharma will do everything in thier power to keep this from becoming mainstream.


I've looked into the low dose naltrexone thing before and even been in contact with one of the doctors who runs the site regarding LDN for opiate withdrawal. He was very supportive and said that was one of the applications that inspired the idea but since there's no money to be made on naltrexone any more (patent expired) there was no possibility of getting funding for trials (and helping drug addicts is very low on the list).

Unfortunately I'd just done a taper on suboxone and couldn't go nong enough to get it out of my system to start on the LDN but in theory this could help recovery greatly.

Certainly there is no money in this for big pharma, but what's bad for them is fantastic for us, plain and simple. They WANT us to feel bad and be unhealthy. It's our suffereing that sustains them. That's why pot and opium were made illegal, and also why we must take responsibility for spreading the word about LDN ourselves!

[at&t]

Hi all.

Some/most of you might have already heard of either the following web page, or of some of the other studies of "ULTRA Low Dose Naltrexone." and its potential use in mitigating tolerance to opioid drugs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20041013034455/dilaudid.net/uldntx.shtml

I hope that those of you guys who haven't read about this yet can go ahead and either check out that website, or have a look at some of the Academic research papers about Ultra Low Dose naltrexone and its use in lessening Tolerance.

Anyway... it seems pretty interesting-- Personally, I hope to be able to "conduct my own research" into this stuff hopefully sooner rather than later... as in whenever I can get my hands on some.

To me at least, ULDNaltrexone seems like a such a promising development that it might just end up being as significant an advancement for opiate-users as is methyl-naltrexone for constipation... (which, btw, anyone here on this board who experiences constipation should each look up... be they junky or chronic pain patient or whatever. Its really amazing to me how many of the chronic heroin user's health issues are caused or exacerbated by constipation/'subacute-slowed-or-reduced-bowel-motility, etc')

Anyway... if/when swim manages to get hold of some naltrexone to experiment with, swim will most definitely post any results on this board....

Any of you guys have any experience either with "(off-label)ULDN as adjunct to opioid therapy," or with methylnaltrexone?

so yeah,... check it out, y'all... :o and PS. thanks for bearing with the long/confused/convoluted post... at&t

[edhorfin]

just hearing the word "naltrexone" makes my ass pucker

[superman]

"In addition, naltrexone was found to selectively and completely reverse all the negative effects of opioid agonist use on sexual function and restore the individual's libido to their opioid naive state."

Now that is a very nice little tidbit of info!! thanks at&t!

It looks like i have no excuse to put off using naltrexone now whether i continue to use opiates or not.

lower tolerance, better sex drive, increased protection against autoimmune disease and cancers....

Seems crazy to not want to take a low dose every day. never could i have predicted this in my wildest dreams....

[Seedy]

I actually tried this for a while, after my sub taper failed and I got back onto seeds. I crushed up half of a Revia (25mg naltrex) and diluted it into 250mls of water (0.1mg/ml). I used an oral syringe to dose each morning, starting at 1ml of solution. Unfortunately I couldn't keep up the routine, I'd forget sometimes and I canned it one day after taking 4mls (0.4mg) which gave me explosive diareah after an hour. In retrospect it wasn't so bad but I guess because I hadn't experienced any noticible tollerance reduction or potentiation (after about 2 weeks I guess) I gave up. I still have the jar of Revia, this thread's making me want to try again but I'm currently on suboxone so who knows (literally, does anyone know?) what other factors this will add into the equation?

[superman]

as i understand it, anything under 4.5mg daily shouldn't precipitate significant withdrawals, and if taken before bed, is supposed to have the most beneficial effect

[superman]

as i understand it, anything under 4.5mg daily shouldn't precipitate significant withdrawals, and if taken before bed, is supposed to have the most beneficial effect

EDIT: i guess o-phile just had a hiccup....

[trainwrecker]

Is Jacky still around? I remember a thread on this a very long time ago and he had some top notch information or perhaps even personal experience. I would search the thread out but I'm slavin' today.

[kjjy]

Hello, I decided to join this site mostly to bump this tread. But also I think rather it

is a halfway decent place. Possibly cutting edge in an area. that being said.

I,ll make this my Intro. Probibly 35 yr user.. 30+yr of doing sacks. I've had good breaks

of not useing but as we know even that does not stop the progresiveness of the progression.

Currently coming out of 4yr run after getting hurt, then operation c5c6c7 + hardware and

now I am (among other things ) a CP. Hello all members...I don't think evil lives here.

Currently on medone,klonipin,perc,soma and as I type...sitting at the sparkin bench.


Okay my only experience with this drug( except for suboxone,reading and stories of past) is talking to
Pm dr. He has never heard of its use like that:(:( I think this suject is worth watch. Thx Superman

[Ickyuck]

I heard about this. But my hope dies when thinking about a doctor who would actually do this. Especially when combined with having a pharmacy have to do a compound.

[SHELLEY]

ultra low dose naltrexone potentiates opiates, anyways, there are better ways to stimulate endorphin/enkephalin production, like cranial electrotherapy stimulation.

i never had naltrexone, but i did have est
and it didn't fix shit :mad:
just gave me a 3 week migraine from hell

[Paregoric Kid]

est? I assume you mean ECT? ECT is completely different from CES, look it up.
also look into the drug thiorphan for boosting endogenous opiates.

[twstedroads]

I actually have tried Relistor (methylnaltrexone bromide - for constipation) and boy was it fucking hell. I know that it's not supposed to cross the blood brain barrier but that's the biggest load of shit i ever heard. i was currently on mmt around 70-75mg a day and constipation was terrible, so my dad, an MD himself who was friends with the pharmacist got me a vial of the brand name Relistor, and within minutes i was on the floor shaking, puking, sweating, SHITTING my ass off (i guess it worked in that respect), and i also turned extremely pale. I was at my dads office and he had the nurses hook me up to an fluid IV and I finally convinced my dad to give me a 8mg shot of dilauded directly into the IV and it was the most joyous instantaneous relief on earth. Everything went away so fast as i fell back into bliss. I had never gone from feeling so shitty to so good so fast. But again, when i say this stuff threw me into WD, it put me into another meaning of the damn word. If someone handed me a revolver there would have been absolutely no hesitation. So please, READER BEWARE: FUCK RELISTOR.

[Paregoric Kid]

yeah I heard with methylnaltrexone you have to start it while in withdrawal or before starting opiates otherwise that will happen.

[SHELLEY]

est? I assume you mean ECT? ECT is completely different from CES, look it up.
also look into the drug thiorphan for boosting endogenous opiates.

yes i did mean ect
my bad

[resorcinol]

It's possible to stimulate endorphin production by sending a very small electric current through pretty much any part of your body. You want high voltages and extremely low currents for safety and efficacy. It's theorized (don't know if it's been shown) that high voltage very low current AC power applied hand to hand stimulates the release of endorphin peptides in the CNS.

Sounds better than messing with naltrexone to me, personally.

[kjjy]

Interesting.Tried the electroshock therapy.But all it did was give me a blonde/grey afro.:rolleyes:
Coming off a 4 year,with never a week of no use.Mostly pharms and some sacks thrown in.
Methacrap and suckutone FOR ME is like being in prison and allowed a little rec.time now & then .

I did a quick taper from 50mg methacrap to 10mg.Then jumped on ldn band wagon.Here is part of
the log I kept.
Jumped off at 10mg...48hr later,5pm took 5mg nalt..hour later wondering what I have done.
Took 2mg kpin,2 soma and a handful of nuerontin. Felt like a fent. wd. spent 4hrs in hot shower
sitting...turned red and got out. Layed down and fell asleep 4hrs. no dream.

day 2 didn't feel to bad.got stuff done. 6pm took 2.5 nalt. Afraid to repeat last night. Back to hot
shower,not as bad,but malaise is worse.Repeat comfort meds.Slept 6hrs/no dream.

day 3 splitting headache,ringing ears,worse malaise...ugh went for walk..ugh. 6pm took 2.5 nalt.
1mg kpin(running out) 6 nueron. tin and out of soma. Not as bad tonight so far. slept 4.5hr/nodream

day 4 headache,ring ears.still chilled,malaise better.got a little done.Felt more courage at 8pm and
took 5mg nalt/1mgkpin and last 3 nuerontin.hard falling asleep. 3hr,sw no dream

day 5 headache,ringing ears,chill and malaise comes and go's.full day..totaly exhausted.smoked
weed all day. 8pm took 5mg nalt./.5 kpin. sw(some wood) after about 6hr. slept 1 hr.no dream.

day 6 ring in ears,chills and malaise come's and goes.10pm took 5mg nalt./.5 kpin/3 sleeping
pills. Slept total 4hrs off and on. sw,nodreams.



I have seen some improvement everyday since then and am currently at day 20 something.
What does this mean? I don't Know. To early

Maybe my addiction disease has gone in remission..wink,wink
Maybe my time is up..this time. Grit
whatever. I will continue to see where this takes me



http://forum.opiophile.org/images/icons/icon13.gif Here's to swimmin with bowlegged women. Quinn

[Paregoric Kid]

CES stimulates endorphins and enkephalins pretty good from just 100 microamps up to 1 milliamp, not sure on the voltage, I forget, but it runs off a 9 volt battery. we are talking about really small amounts of electricity. it hooks up behind the ears (original designs hooked up to the eyes, gives a cool light show that way but they realized behind the ears the electricity can penetrate into the brain just as good there without the light show). anyone with a little electrical knowledge could build their own for like $10-20 in parts, I did. it boosts opiates and is pretty good for wd.

[kjjy]

I got ya. A ten's unit. I have one and used it for alittle while.
Didn't do much for me. Prefer to keep it simple and not involve
wires,batteries,and electricity.

Running,exercise,sex also produce endo,enk I believe. Not really
into running anymore and well in order to get enough sex, I would
have to become a orgy guy,you know where a robe,grow a mustache,
change friends:cool:

Anyways I have read that 3x the normal end,enk are produced by the
brief blockade from the ldn. I am interested in ways to rebuild,repair or
boost this system.

That is until you figure out how to turn water into wine:)


Thanks for writing

[resorcinol]

CES stimulates endorphins and enkephalins pretty good from just 100 microamps up to 1 milliamp, not sure on the voltage, I forget, but it runs off a 9 volt battery. we are talking about really small amounts of electricity. it hooks up behind the ears (original designs hooked up to the eyes, gives a cool light show that way but they realized behind the ears the electricity can penetrate into the brain just as good there without the light show). anyone with a little electrical knowledge could build their own for like $10-20 in parts, I did. it boosts opiates and is pretty good for wd.

It may run off a 9v battery but I guarantee that the voltage is stepped up dramatically by the circuitry in the device. 9 volts is not enough to push any appreciable current through even the skin surface in normal conditions. Quite high voltages are desired to ensure consistent, uniform, and more penetrating current flow (although the frequency of the AC, if AC, partly determines penetration depth).

For people new to electromagnetism: Voltage is the AVENUE beckoning the grim reaper to travel down the road, but it's CURRENT that is the grim reaper doing the traveling. Voltage is just how much potential difference exists between two points. To better understand, one can break it into simpler units: 1 volt = 1 joule/coulomb. Joules are units of energy, coulombs are quantity of charge. So voltage is how much potential energy the charge carriers have per the amount of charge carriers present, which are electrons in metallic conductors; ions in electrolytes. Seeing it from this point of view, it's clear that voltage (a potential difference existing) is in itself harmless if there aren't enough charge carriers to produce a lethal CURRENT which is the VOLUME of flowing charge carriers (Coulombs per second = Amperes (Amps) ). However, higher voltages, assuming the presence of no bottleneck on charge carrier availability (high resistance in the circuit) will cause more current to flow according to Ohm's Law. This is why such devices designed to non-fatally shock the human body have a quite high indeed voltage (potential difference) between the electrodes, but have their current (charge carrier [electron] availability cut sharply down by resistor circuitry, which keeps the charge carrier availability in check, constant, and below lethal levels for even moist human skin -- most of the resistance rests on the resistive circuit in these devices, not the human body, for safety reasons. 120 V AC house current in the US can kill because the charge carriers are limited to flow rates of 15 to 20 A by circuit breakers... the lethal flow rate is only like 50 mA... see? And the body's typical resistance will allow that much current to flow easily with 120 V. However a 10000 V (AC or DC) device can be plenty safe if a high-resistance circuit ensures that the availability of charge carriers to flow, and thus the amperage that flows through the body, is severely limited.

Water pipes are actually a decent analogy particularly for direct current, since it only causes EM induction when the potential difference or current change (usually only during power up and power down) as this is when the magnetic flux density and pattern will change. Lets use a tank elevated up from which a pipe comes out and carries water down to the ground for this example. Voltage is how high up above the ground the tank is (there is a relationship between newtonian potential energy and EM potential difference in this analogy)... thus it is how much PRESSURE there is for the water to flow. CURRENT is how MUCH water is flowing past any point of the pipe per second (flow rate). RESISTANCE / IMPEDANCE is how thin the water pipe is... if it's very thin (high resistance) less water can flow through (current) no matter how high up the tank is (voltage). POWER is how much energy the discharging water deposits on its target, and it starts depositing instantly (assuming the pipe and tank are full before the floodgate is opened, water starts coming out instantly even though the energy potential for the flow originates up in the tank because there's water (charge carriers) throughout the whole system (the conductors, generators, and loads in an actual electrical system)).

Voltage is thus how much pressure the electrons in the conductor have on them to move: voltage does not "flow", it is the energy each charge carrier contains, and more energy makes the charge carrier desire movement to a spot where there is lesser energy density (like always in nature), hence "potential DIFFERENCE". Units can be simplified to joules per coulomb (J/C).

Current is the actual flow of charge carriers which can dissipate a potential difference IF there isn't something (like a generator) keeping the potential difference there (ie, "static electricity": discharge and done). However it will always TRY to dissipate the voltage, so in a system that generates potential difference, current will flow continuously in a closed circuit (ie, in our houses, batteries, etc).

Resistance / impedance (latter preferred for alternating current) is the resistance of the charge carriers to flow (current) induced by a PD (voltage). Materials without delocalized electrons due to a conduction energy levels overlapping with the valance energy levels (some quantum energy levels of the atom must overlap in the conduction and valence levels of energy for it to be a conductor)... materials without this (nonmetals usually) have very high impedance. Metals have very low impedance due to the valence and conduction quantum levels overlapping. Superconductors are special materials that EXCLUDE magnetic fields from their interiors at very low temperatures (the Meissner effect), allowing for exactly zero impedance from internal magnetic eddy currents among other things. Impedance doesn't flow: it's a property of the material. It has units of Volts/Ampere, or Joule-seconds (energy dissipation multiplied by time). All electrical devices either dissipate power (talked about next) by being resistive (like a toaster), thus dissipating voltage (voltage drop) and limiting current flow or by inductive loading which is a tad more complicated to explain (a normal circuit... a "short" circuit occurs when there is no load acting as a resistor in the circuit an thus current is only limited by the very very small resistance of the conductor and can grow very large quickly).

Power is the amount of energy deposited per unit time. It's the RATE at which our devices consume ENERGY (for calc peeps, power is the first derivative of energy over change in time). Power travels at the speed of light, unlike current which actually moves quite slowly even in DC, and is more like vibration than actual flow in AC. Power is the electromagnetic energy that is instantly present at the spot where the load is when the generator is switched on BECAUSE there are CHARGE CARRIERS that can observe a POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE throughout the circuit (think of the water analogy). So power consumption can be determined by multiplying the current consumption of the load (Amps) by the voltage drop (volts) across the device (for a parallel circuit like household branch circuits, this is equal to the voltage at the source of the circuit, 120 V in the U.S. and canada for normal branch circuits of half the split phase to neutral). Power is how RAPIDLY electrons dissipate their ENERGY CONTENT (voltage) via a flow of CURRENT (Amps) against the IMPEDANCE (Ohms) of the load. The unit of power is the watt. It can be simplified to Joules per second (J/s).

We pay for the amount of ENERGY we consume, but in order to not confuse people, our bills don't list how many joules we consume. Instead, they take the kilowatt (a unit of POWER, the RATE of energy consumption, the first derivative with respect to time of energy) and multiply it by time (integrate it back to energy units ... dimensional cancellation of the time units to leave energy consumption): this is the kilowatt-hour (a unit of ENERGY which is 1 kilowatt-hour = 3, 600, 000 Joules). As you can see a Joule is a very small amount of energy :P

We're rightfully so, though, more concerned with how RAPIDLY we consume energy, as if we consume it faster, we will use more over time. This is why we strive to reduce how many watts (unit of POWER) our devices require.

This is really common sense when broken down, but can seem confusing at first glance.

I just had to (and this was a great opportunity) dispel the popular notion that ENERGY and POWER are the same thing here at opiophile (some of you prolly already knew, but many people, perhaps most, do not know that they are different).

What bothers me about the fact that people don't know they're different is that the NAMES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. Energy.... how much jive something has in there. POWER... to be POWERFUL, you've gotta lay on that jive fast, if you lay it on slow, it won't be POWERFUL, despite dissipating the same amount of ENERGY as when it was laid on fast! See? Doesn't it really make sense that POWER is how quickly ENERGY is deposited?

Back to the topic at hand though: electrical currents are what kill you by causing burns and ventricular tachycardia leading to ventricular fibrillation (which can ironically be reset by another quick electrical pulse to depolarize the cell membranes ... a defibrillator... CLEAR! ... except you NEVER shock a flatline (asystole, total stop of heart rhythm) in real life, that gets epinephrine and an anticholinergic and some hope as IRL flatlining is very likely to lead to death... it's V-tachycardia or V-fibrillation that can be shocked back to a sinus rhythm). Voltage can facilitate the flow of high enough currents to harm a person, but high voltage ALONE is not deadly at all if another resistor is present in the circuit to limit / bottleneck the flow of charge carriers.

[kjjy]

Must admit I do have a soft spot..ok a couple soft spots for electricity.
I was the perfect canidate for shop and electric. never made it to chemistry.
Reading your post brought me right back...with a slight headache. smile.

Worked as a sparky for a while,repaired a lot of hvac,ran alot of wire.
Hooked up to some volts from time to time. One thing I am sure of
120v will hold on and 460 will knock you back. Now that I think back
I was quite content. Maybe electricity can bring Happiness.




Grand Banks;Engine Room

Captain looks over shoulder while swinging 10lb sledge and yells "GET ME A BIGGER HAMMER"

[resorcinol]

Must admit I do have a soft spot..ok a couple soft spots for electricity.
I was the perfect canidate for shop and electric. never made it to chemistry.
Reading your post brought me right back...with a slight headache. smile.

Worked as a sparky for a while,repaired a lot of hvac,ran alot of wire.
Hooked up to some volts from time to time. One thing I am sure of
120v will hold on and 460 will knock you back. Now that I think back
I was quite content. Maybe electricity can bring Happiness.




Grand Banks;Engine Room

Captain looks over shoulder while swinging 10lb sledge and yells "GET ME A BIGGER HAMMER"

I definitely don't have a license to do electrical work (don't need one in the town I live in anyway... as long as it inspects OK it's legal for non-licensed people to do wiring) but I've done plenty of it in my own house and my grandparents' house -- it's the one "household / trade skill" (plumbing, electrical, woodwork, architecture, etc) that I'm actually good at (although architecture is also art, in addition to being a trade).

I never understood why anybody (including some unscrupulous electricians) are sloppy with their work and create hazard, especially knowingly. You don't even have to understand the physics of electricity to do wiring safely -- just check the damn NEC codebook. How hard is it to make nice, neat and tight splices and device terminations? It's not hard, that's exactly what pisses me off. What's hard about electrical work is fishing the wire in finished houses... that's a royal pain in the ass sometimes. When my family did some remodeling, including partially finishing the basement, the damn guy the hired (my father's brother, go figure) didn't completely finish a lot of things yet still charged for a finished job (I don't get why my father tolerates that shit). One thing he did was fit the electrical outlets -- receptacles and light fixtures -- in the new basement walls, but only ran some of the wire! The last light he put in he didn't run romex to, nor did he do the homerun to the panel. I did both so we could have power in the basement and actually make use of the space (got a wine fridge, freezer, toilet w/ pump, and other misc stuff down there now) and have enough light in there at night. My parents were really nervous about me working in the main panel (it was amusing actually) -- but I convinced them to trust me because I knew I knew what I was doing. I finished it up complete with the required GFCI breaker for such a circuit (and neatened up the rest of the panel too ... which while not wired incorrectly anywhere, and you can bet I looked b/c I don't trust my uncle, it was messy). Now we've got light and working receptacles in the basement ... I still can't believe my father paid his brother in full for an unfinished job on the "promise" he'd come back and finish; all of us knew he would 90% chance not come back and finish it.

The only thing I would NOT feel comfortable doing and would hire a sparky for is a panel switchout or service upgrade ... that's above my comfort level and I feel rightfully so (plus, that particular work just might require an electrical work license, and rightfully so). Anything else is fair game. I personally don't turn off the main breaker while hooking a branch circuit into the main panel; instead, I'm just EXTREMELY careful not to touch the hot bus bars or incoming service wires (the latter would be hot with the main breaker off anyway as you know) and I wear thick rubber boots (I attach the hot to the breaker BEFORE pushing it into position on the bus bar... feels safer than just turning the new breaker "off" and hooking while it's off, would be easy to accidentally throw the switch IMO). Some people may feel that this is unsafe and want to scold me for this, but I don't agree -- as long as one is careful, I see it as a personal preference for the person doing the electrical work. Frankly, my family is intolerant of the whole house having no power during the work (although they would of course allow it if I told them I felt unsafe doing it with the bus bars hot given their apprehension about me working in a panel in the first place... I guess they DO still love me even though I got hooked on, oh my god, opiates ... the WORST thing to get addicted to [that's what I feel they believe deep down inside, while I believe uppers are worse despite the lack of physical dependence. opioids don't age your body at a highly unnatural rate and cause malnutrition, nor do they possess neurotoxic properties like amphetamines -- IMO opioids, addiction potential aside, are VERY easy on the body as far as drugs go, easier than many non-psychoactive OTC drugs even. They also, unlike alcohol, benzos, and amphetamines don't strongly impair your judgment during the high... only mildly is judgment impaired IME and only at high nodding doses]).

I can at least feel good in saving my parents and grandparents probably over a few thousand bucks with the cumulative electrical work I've done over the years since I first learned (around 15 yo is when I first learned how to do electrical) AND that I've saved them money without the sacrifice of safety, because I do it right (I make sure it's right, and part of that is neatness and tight connections, hell, that just may be the FUNDAMENTAL property of safe wiring jobs).

One scary thing that my uncle's "workers" did (which is what made me decide to meticulously inspect the panel and many of the receptacles and light fixtures they installed) is their botched installation of the receptacle for the kitchen microwave circuit. I was alerted to their botched install -- and I KNOW which worker was most likely responsible because he's a careless idiot when it comes to safety -- when one day the breaker (which was a GFCI type) started tripping every time it was reset. Well, this moron had hooked the hot to the neutral screw of the receptacle, and the neutral to the hot -- but that's not what made the breaker trip (that won't make a breaker trip, but it is unsafe since appliance manufacturers assume that the hot an neutral are on the proper slots of the outlet... this is particularly a concern with light fixtures that plug in since the "hot" is wired to the bottom of the socket, neutral to the "shell" of the socket ... and you're much more likely to touch the shell when changing a bulb ... but that gets switched around if the receptacle is incorrectly wired and then you're more likely to touch the HOT contact .. not good) -- so this isn't even the best part. The best part (or scariest part) is that he wrapped the wire around the screws SO sloppily that the end of the hot wire was sticking out and touching the grounded metal box!! I kid you not. This is what was tripping the breaker. It must have been close for awhile to touching the box, and as the wire unbended a bit it eventually touched the box. I was horrified, but then quickly corrected it and replaced the outlet with a higher quality one since it's a high current draw receptacle for a microwave (personally I prefer the higher quality spec receptacles all around, but you can bet a guy like my uncle would up the price if their usage was requested, even by a family member -- and we did request them, but the idiot worker slipped in a cheapie receptacle for some reason despite explicit instructions to use spec grade... must have ran out and been too lazy to run to the store for more receptacles of the type we wanted, this guy is a true lazy ass... I'd rather be a junkie with some sense of self-respect than this sober but total loser guy). The parents were extremely grateful that somebody in the family knows electrical so they didn't have to bring in a sparky with the tight budget they're on. That scared me enough, though, to check everything else in the house including the panel. There were no other mistakes like that but neatness was not so good, which I fixed up in the panel and many other j-boxes throughout the house. I don't want to loose my parents to a fire because my uncle's lame excuses for workers / assistants don't care about safety. Thank god 20 A circuits can't use those cheapie backstab ports on the cheap receptacles anymore as 12 g wire won't fit in them so to assure the code is adhered to on that --- I really believe that UL and the NFPA should ban them for 15 A circuits / 14 g wire too. The torque pressure plate backWIRE ports that you tighten are different and are fine (they're the backwire ports on the more rugged spec grade receptacles) ... it's the cheap spring pressure backstabs that now only accept 14 g wire on 15 amp circuits that I really find unsafe. The point of contact is small, so impedance will rise to unsafe levels over time which generates heat as power is dissipated at the weak connection, further weakening the connection from heating / cooling cycle stress on the spring, creating a positive feedback loop that usually results in receptacles just ceasing to work one day along with a little heat charred wire insulation but once in awhile starts a FIRE when the connection is so weakly there but still there such that high currents dissipate incredibly excessive heat due to high impedance at the bad contact and the heat ignites combustible building material nearby.

This is a hotbutton issue among sparkies even -- whether these things are "safe enough" for even 15 amp circuits. I personally believe they are less of a threat on 15 amp circuits that aren't overfused (which is another issue altogether that ALL sparkies can agree on -- it's REALLY BAD to overfuse -- yet some homeowners who don't understand ANYTHING about electricity don't get that it can cause excessive heat buildup if wire that isn't thick enough is made to carry more current than it can and the resistance rises in a positive feedback due to power dissipation as heat creating more heat and sometimes a house fire results -- circuit breakers were meant to break the bad habit of some homeowners with fuses, but now some of 'em go into their panel and up the amp rating of the breaker without even considering how unsafe that is! If they [these homeowners] don't know that overfusing is SERIOUSLY BAD then they DEFINITELY shouldn't even be in the panel anyway, but it happens, and people die) but that they're still not fundamentally "safe enough" for ANY household electrical circuit. It's just a piss poor connection, period. The new "push in" wirenuts are different. The pressure applied to the wire is MUCH more powerful, the contact point is MUCH larger in surface area, and the metal is an alloy + corrosion inhibitor MEANT to prevent the weakening of the connection from local redox reactions that occur especially in the presence of moisture when two dissimilar metals are in contact. Those are just as safe as wire nuts IMO and not even remotely like spring backstabs, which make contact only at a small surface area, are not made out of copper or an alloy of it (very dissimilar metals in contact), and have no corrosion inhibitors... they're a disaster waiting to happen.

One other time that I was disturbed was when the guy that did our central AC install wanted to use 12 g wire for the 30 A circuit needed (we don't have a big house so the condenser isn't a very large one). I've heard from some sources that in some very specific circumstances that this is actually OK WITH REGARD TO AC CONDENSER UNITS b/c the actual current draw is far below the breaker used and just allows for the inductive starting current to not trip the breaker when the motor spins up, but I disagree with this rule (if it really is true ... it just doesn't feel right to me) on principle. What if an ignorant homeowner one day removes the central AC condenser and puts in a different 240 V appliance that calls for a 30 A breaker and really DOES draw near 30 A? Now the wire is undersized for the installation and a fire hazard. So yeah, I don NOT agree with overfusing, no exceptions -- gotta think about all possible future changes that could make an install go from safe to unsafe, and this is a really glaring potential problem with exploiting a stupid rule about AC condensers to save a little money on copper.

I, however, also don't get sparkies and educated DIYers who insist on using ONLY 12 g wire for all 120 V branch circuits in the house if some will be 15 A. 14 g wire is FINE for 15 amp branch circuits unless the run is so long that voltage drop from the wire's internal impedance will become an issue (in which case you would use 12 g for very long runs of a 15 A circuit and additionally 10 g for very long runs of a 20 A circuit [with pigtails of 12 g to each receptacle though, and no receptacle feed through screw usage, since receptacles for typical 120 volt branch circuits are NOT rated to connect directly to 10 g wire; it is too thick for the screws]). It's using 12 g for a normal, not excessively long, 120 VAC branch circuit and then hooking it to a 15 amp breaker that makes no sense to me. If you're gonna run 12 g for a circuit and it's not a super long run, just use a 20 amp breaker! It's fine and totally cool w/ me if somebody wants all 20 amp branch 120 volt circuits in their house and thus uses only 12 g wire... but why on earth would somebody use all 12 g on a normal run length circuit and then terminate it in the panel to a 15 amp breaker? ... that IS a waste of money on copper.

I definitely use 14 g wire for 15 amp circuits, since it IS cheaper and IS safe for 15 amp circuits of typical run length. Example: the 15 amp circuit I ran for the computer and laser printer in a bedroom (why a diff circuit just for computer stuff you ask? the laser printer. Those bad boys draw a surprisingly large amount of current ... I think 8 to 10 amps is typical) is wired with the white 15 g Romex wire -- it simply would not have made sense to use the yellow colored 12 g Romex; if I did use 12 g because it was what was already laying around or something I'd simply terminate the new circuit to a 20 amp breaker. If you're gonna use the more expensive 12 g wire why not give it the larger 20 amp capacity it can handle? I don't get this --- however I'm not gonna beg those that insist on it to stop, since it certainly isn't unsafe, just a waste of money IMO.

I guess I rambled and ranted a bit about electricity, huh :P

How many other opiophiles are electrical wiring competent (just curious now how many of us are handy with wiring)? This includes both sparkies and educated DIYers (DIYers who do electrical unsafely need not apply. These people are putting other people at risk, frankly, and it isn't cool -- if you're gonna do electrical learn how to do electrical correctly. It's the lives of the people in the house you're wiring at risk [which means your family if it's your house], and I do not understand why somebody would attempt wiring that is beyond their ability or comprehension due to the scary safety implications of this. perhaps it's just ignorance about how deadly electricity can be due to fire or shock hazards if the wiring is done incorrectly on the part of the unsafe-diy-homeowner, or perhaps it's pride on the part of the unsafe-diy-homeowner ... maybe they, some men in particular, wouldn't feel "manly" enough if they couldn't do their own electrical ... and man, that isn't an excuse for unsafe wiring jobs, no way!).

I think there are more and more women who are both sparkies and educated diy electrical-doers nowadays than in the past, which is awesome. I love to see gender roles breaking down in the workplace. This certainly also applies to men entering into traditional female territory too, like high level cosmetology work in a salon.

[resorcinol]

I meant 14 g wire when I said "15 g" in that part about the computer circuit. The 14 g wire can carry 15 amps of alternating current safely according to the NFPA's electrical code.

The AC vs DC thing is a perfect example of a time when scientists tossed aside logic due to attachment to their pet project --- nobody's immune to it. Edison was so attached to his DC system that he tried to claim that Nikola Tesla's AC system was more dangerous, and claimed that the fact that AC was used for the electrocution chair in capital punishment was proof -- he might have even demonstrated with some animals if I'm remembering correctly. That's not very cool of him -- I don't like Edison personally. He was jealous of Tesla b/c Tesla was better at math and treated him like crap when Tesla worked for him b/c of it. This was further fuel to his battle with tesla over what kind of current to use.

Tesla's AC won because AC makes more sense for power distribution. Voltage could be stepped up and down with transformers with AC because of electrical induction by a changing magnetic field. The field generated by AC oscillates at the frequency of the current and thus fills the required "changing field" for induction -- in DC the field does not change and static fields do not induce potential difference in nearby conductors. It's mildly ironic that most of our electronics need DC and low voltages (hence the transformer-rectifiers that come with computers) but transmission of AC STILL makes more sense even in a time when DC can have its voltage stepped up and down with complex circuitry. The AC transformer is still more efficient.

[resorcinol]

sorry again, nother double post. browser's acting up tonight for some reason.

[kjjy]

I do apprieciate you typeing all that but I couldn't do it.

Getting off elect. I found a interesting article. To me anyways

http://onlynatural.tripod.com/health/LDN_WAPF.pdf

I allways wondered why your whatever receptors looked like poppies.

winter 2008

For what its worth I have never even came close to burning down the house.

Thanks for writing.

[resorcinol]

I do apprieciate you typeing all that but I couldn't do it.

Getting off elect. I found a interesting article. To me anyways

http://onlynatural.tripod.com/health/LDN_WAPF.pdf

I allways wondered why your whatever receptors looked like poppies.

winter 2008

For what its worth I have never even came close to burning down the house.

Thanks for writing.

Sometimes I just go crazy and ramble on about stuff. It makes my fingers hurt.

On the bright side, it means I'm enthusiastic about being here at opiophile!

[kjjy]

Cool.
I dropped down to 3mg. I was getting totally wired,especially after coffee.

I'm getting almost 6hr sleep a night..finally.

Went to the beach the other day and forgot to smoke cigaretts

What the fuck is :cool:going on.

[kjjy]

update: day 36 recovery mode.


Back to day 33. Woke up with extreme lower back pain and not peing much. Later on extreme gas,
nausea,diarrhea,and burning pain. This lasted almost 2 days,but has gone away.

I call it Post Withdrawal.
Been down this road before. Usually would cop something.
This time there was no anxiety,depression or CRAVEING.


Back to day 36: Haven't strayed from protocol of 3mg nalt. at 11pm. Haven't smoked weed or
alcohol. Have no desire to. Just coffee and cigarettes. And cigarettes taste like shit.

Going into this I didn't want to change anything but phone number and drug of choice.
THINGS ARE CHANGEING ON THEIR OWN.

There you have it. Long way to go.
I will update in another week.



Just because it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck

Doesn't mean its a duck

[kjjy]

The naltrexone has hastened the process.
Still can feel the mdone(evil).sneeze
sleep 3hr at a time.

Still 3mg/11pm. This has been pretty helpful and hopeful.
weed=do nothing.
alchohol. haven't tried.
Other thoughts rumble around,but resist desire.


Free from desire you realize the mystery,
caught in desire you see only the manifestations. tao

[resorcinol]

The naltrexone has hastened the process.
Still can feel the mdone(evil).sneeze
sleep 3hr at a time.

Still 3mg/11pm. This has been pretty helpful and hopeful.
weed=do nothing.
alchohol. haven't tried.
Other thoughts rumble around,but resist desire.


Free from desire you realize the mystery,
caught in desire you see only the manifestations. tao

You're brave as fuck for trying this man. Methadone w/d sounds like the epitome of hell on earth opioids withdrawals ... and you're trying to get off it in such an atypical, and potentially painful, way in the hopes that it will make the detox more brief. I don't think I could do that ... you must be very motivated and determined.

[kjjy]

No. Actually the only motivation I have is to be Free of it.

Really this by far has been a very easy detox.(besides first 2 days)

I can not remember ever feeling this way.(well I can but if I say.. it will sound crazy

[superman]

Cool.
I dropped down to 3mg. I was getting totally wired,especially after coffee.

I'm getting almost 6hr sleep a night..finally.

Went to the beach the other day and forgot to smoke cigaretts

What the fuck is :cool:going on.

is this stimulation you're speaking of the type that comes with withdrawal or is it of a pleasurable nature?

This week I intend to visit doctors until i find one that will prescribe a bunch of naltrexone. no doubt i will be posting the results of my own experience with it, and the timing is perfect becuase i will be off of methadone within 3 weeks from now... already below 100mg... my heart is returning to normal thankfully, and in case anyone missed my piss-and-moan rant, don't do racemic methadone, it's fucking dangerous...

Just because it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck

Doesn't mean its a duck
Yet odds are, it IS a duck...

KJJY, i can sympathize with your feeling about quiting the done... man i hate this shit and all the other shit that comes with it so much that i doubt any amount of hellish WD's and terrible suffering could subtract from the satisfaction of getting this fucking poison out of my body...

I would rather shoot myself in the fucking foot than ever take methadone again... they didn't warn me about all the self loathing involved with taking methadone after realizing that i have been duped into voluntary torture and self destruction...

[hovadagod]

This is amazing shit. I am excited to see how it goes for you kjjy. Keep up the good work!

[kjjy]

I would rather shoot myself in the fucking foot than ever take methadone again... they didn't warn me about all the self loathing involved with taking methadone after realizing that i have been duped into voluntary torture and self destruction...[/QUOTE]

Yup

Mdone is good to ease off a strong habit. Thats it.


At day 50 something and still feeling slight mdone bullshit, but each symptom (their all there)seems
to last about and hour and then it is gone. Then the cycle will start again n about 10 days.
Each cycle gets shorter.

Hey if it's placebo..I'm totally down with that.:D

[superman]

I do apprieciate you typeing all that but I couldn't do it.

Getting off elect. I found a interesting article. To me anyways

http://onlynatural.tripod.com/health/LDN_WAPF.pdf

I allways wondered why your whatever receptors looked like poppies.

winter 2008

For what its worth I have never even came close to burning down the house.

Thanks for writing.
haha, man i just got nice 'n fried on some oil before reading this, on the second page or so, and while i can't say i believe this theory, to think of this as a serious experiment in thinking is very amusing...

thanks man, great text so far!

[Dolomiti]

This week I intend to visit doctors until i find one that will prescribe a bunch of naltrexone. no doubt i will be posting the results of my own experience with it, and the timing is perfect becuase i will be off of methadone within 3 weeks from now... already below 100mg... my heart is returning to normal thankfully, and in case anyone missed my piss-and-moan rant, don't do racemic methadone, it's fucking dangerous...

Good luck! I'd be curious to hear how it goes. I'd like to try LDN myself. Methadone clinics don't give it out, do they?

[LKaramazov]

For the past three years I've been tossing around an idea in my head which combined my love of drugs with a bit of forethought. The idea is: if drugs that make you euphoric cause dysphoria when in withdrawals, what if one were to take a dysphoria-inducing drug on a daily basis for a couple months. The withdrawals would be amazing! And it would just be rebound, no drugs needed! Wake up every morning euphoric without having to do anything. I'm going to do this some day soon.

[kjjy]

You ride on down the same old street
You've seen that a thousand times.
It overflows with neon lights on enormous signs.
My god how you want to leave there.

Your head severely poundin from the night before
Baby you just keep on goin back
Goin back for more
Midnights call

You want so bad to leave that whirlwind storm
But you can't find no place to grab on
Round and round you go Again
And it just ain't easy. G.A.


Nah just kidding

Day 61 It's getting difficult to notice mdone symptoms...Like instead of sneezing, it feels like I'm going too.
Probably have entered the mind fuck stage.

I am curious if even at 3mg, it stacks up.
Only one way to find out.
I'll check it out next week.

Long way to go.
Feel good...But still running on part Hope

[hovadagod]

You taking 3mg naltrexone??

[kjjy]

So far..so good
Taking the 3mg ldn at about 10pm to 12.

He took 20mg oxy at 1pm the following day. It had no effect whatsoever.
He's going to try skipping a night(LDN)next week and then take 20mg oxy next day.


FORME naltrexone is a thousand times better than mdone.
Though I think bup. is closer because its a partial (blasphemy).
I am going to ride this wagon till the wheels fall off.


up was down
black was white
good was-
bad.
day was-
night

[Deadfiend]

Me myself would never try it.

"Naltrexone can be described as a substituted oxymorphone – here the tertiary amine methyl-substituent is replaced with methylcyclopropane.
Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of oxymorphone. Currently it is only available as an oral preparation."

I can see people trying the pils, but the inplant noway.."
Naltrexone can be described as a substituted oxymorphone – here the tertiary amine methyl-substituent is replaced with methylcyclopropane.
Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of oxymorphone. Currently it is only available as an oral preparation." - Most people just cut open there arms and pull when they get sick of them.:mad:

[superman]

Good luck! I'd be curious to hear how it goes. I'd like to try LDN myself. Methadone clinics don't give it out, do they?

at the clinic i went to you'd probably be lucky to walk out of there with stool softeners... They're only there to fuck with your life and get paid for it.

But any doctor that half ass understands neurochemistry would certainly undertsand if you explained how an antagonist could be beneficial. whether they undestand well enough to know that the theory is sound and the medication harmless... well that's likely a crapshoot.

For the record, i've not yet tried LDN. maybe after i eat a few thousand more pods i'll give it a go ;)

also, it looks like a perfect time to be buying pods!

[kjjy]

Thanks again superman for posting that link http://forum.opiophile.org/images/icons/icon13.gif


Smoking weed lately and eating a lot of good and bad food. He had a bad tooth and chewing
on it caused a bad abcess.PAIN PAIN PAIN. Tried advil for a day,but the next day he wanted
to jump off a bridge.

So he took 20mg oxy and then3hrs later took 20 more.(worked real well)Swelling has gone down.
He must avoid chewing. Not ready to go to dentist yet.

Other than that improvement everyday.
Going to dose 3mg ldn tonight

[Deadfiend]

fuck revia and naltrexone....

[superman]

fuck revia and naltrexone....

nice contribution... I would throw in $20 if it would bring negative rep back :)

[jacky]

I was on naltrexone for around 4 months.

lost more weight on that drug almost than I did heroin....couldnt eat right, no sex drive, couldnt sleep more than a few hours at a time....

then I did the stupid thing, and used heroin only 20 hours after my last dose of antagonist.
It took me 40 $ instead of 20 $ to get high....but I was definitely high all day, and night. I called up some using freinds, as I did not want to be using alone at all. so my clean apartment became a junky hang out overnight.
lost the apartment a week later.

a year after that, a freind of mine who got on naltrexone, heard that I used and got high while most likely having naltrexone still in my system.
he died in a corner while some junkys watched him die basically.

I guess naltrexone might work for some people....Billi and I were on the stuff at the same point in time. there are two types of general side effect sufferers. Billi and I were on opposite ends of the spectrum, have pretty much opposite effets.
when I realized that the drug didnt do squat for cravings, would put me in risk of complications in case of an accident, and that I could get high anyway with the substance still in my system...I decided to quit.
I wished I would have saved that bottle now though, as a few micrograms of naltrexone mixed with standard opiates is sometimes just what the DR didnt order.

I guess there are some people that have a good experience with naltrexone.
I think if I would have given up nicotine, I might have not had such bad reactions to the substance as a maintenance material.
it didnt help that my wife at the time was still using, and that our next door neighbors were junked out as well...as well as a good portion of my old freinds.

in the right time/place/person, naltrexone probably is a path to healing...but its definitely problematic for alot of people that try it.

[kjjy]

Don't know how I missed this post cause I try to keep up with the various boards everyday.
Where you on 3mg.
He has the exact opposite side effects.

So he tried some d's about a month ago(8mg). WOW.puking high allday. Believe it or not very enjoyable.
So much he did it the next day,instead of dosing 3mg nalt that night. BIG MISTAKE..So then he jumped on
mdone for a few days. So then he figured he was on to much mdone to take the nalt...then proceeded to quick taper down to 5mg mdone then wait 48hrs and take 3mg nalt. This precipWD was not nearly as intense as the
previous.

Well aware of potentiation of uld not interested...yet. sshh
Good shit about trying to get high while on naltrexone. This is very dangerous.

Even though he smokes pot and that tends to cloud his concious, he feels that he has turned back his thing about four years (before he became a full timer again)

He has no conclusion yet. To knock out 31 years in a few months is probably asking a lot.
Control and health are really my only motivators.