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clinton
02-20-2009, 12:15 AM
STAMFORD, Conn. – Travis the chimpanzee's relationship with his owner, a lonely widow, was closer than those of some married couples. She gave him the finest food, and wine in long-stemmed glasses. They took baths together and cuddled in the bed they shared. Travis brushed Herold's hair each night and pined for her when she was away. If she left the house alone, Travis would give her a kiss. "If I left with someone Travis would get upset," Herold said Wednesday.
Experts say the unusually human relationship would have been confusing for any animal. It may have also played a role in Travis' savage attack Monday on Herold's friend, 55-year-old Charla Nash of Stamford.
"This is a crazy relationship," said Stephen Rene Tello, executive director of Primarily Primates, a sanctuary for chimps in Texas. "He was probably very bonded with her. I can kind of see it in his eyes this is his surrogate mother."
And chimps like 14-year-old Travis, who was shot and killed by police, protect their mates and turf.
"If there is another person entering his space, he might consider it a threat to his territory, or even his mate," Tello said.
Police say Travis attacked Nash when she arrived at the house to help lure the chimp back into Herold's house. Herold speculated that Travis was being protective of her and attacked Nash because had a different hairstyle, was driving a different car and held a stuffed toy in front of her face to get the chimp's attention.
Nash suffered massive injuries to her face and hands, requiring more than seven hours of surgery by four teams of doctors to stabilize her. She was transferred in critical condition Thursday to the Cleveland Clinic, which two months ago performed the nation's first successful face transplant.
Hospital officials say Nash is being treated for her injuries and it's unknown if she will be a candidate for a face transplant.
Monday's attack was not the first time Travis bit someone, a former Stamford resident now living in Atlanta said Thursday.
Leslie Mostel Paul told The Associated Press the chimp grabbed her hand and bit it hard enough to draw blood in 1996, while the animal was sitting in Herold's car in a Stamford office parking lot. Paul said she had tried to shake Travis' hand after Herold gave her permission to say hello.
Paul described Herold as being more aggravated than upset about the incident, and said she had to get rabies shots because Herold was slow in producing Travis' medical records.
"My impression was she was more like, 'Oh, this is gonna be a pain in the neck,'" Paul said.
Paul said she reported the incident to police but received no follow-up calls.
"I told them this was serious," said Paul, who spoke by phone from New York, where she was visiting relatives. "If it was a child, it could have ripped the hand off or an arm out a socket."
In an earlier interview on NBC's "Today" show, Paul said. "I honestly believe if they had followed through, maybe the laws would have been changed sooner and this other woman wouldn't be in the hospital, fighting for her life now."
Herold did not return a call seeking comment Thursday about Paul's claims. Police say they have no record of complaints, aside from a 2003 incident where Travis escaped from a vehicle and led police on a two-hour downtown chase before he was caught.
Authorities have not said whether Herold will face criminal charges. Connecticut state law allowed her to own the chimp as a pet, though several state leaders are calling for tighter restrictions in the wake of Monday's attack.
Herold, who was known to buckle Travis in her car for rides and dress him in baseball shirts, tried to rescue Nash by stabbing Travis and hitting him with a shovel. "I stabbed something I raised as a son," she said Wednesday.
It's not known why the chimp suddenly attacked. Herold has given differing accounts on whether she treated the agitated chimp with Xanax, an anti-anxiety drug that had not been prescribed for him. She has also said it suffered from Lyme disease. A test for rabies was negative and results from a necropsy won't be available for weeks.
Lynn DellaBianca, a former Stamford animal control officer, said Thursday that she warned Herold after the 2003 incident that the pet's behavior was worrisome and that she needed to make sure he was kept under control.
"Certainly my concern was for public safety," DellaBianca told The Associated Press. "Male chimpanzees once they reach maturity can be aggressive. I'm sure I did express that to her."
Herold told her she expected to eventually have to give up the chimp, DellaBianca said.
"She did say that herself. She knew someone day he would probably have to go to a sanctuary," DellaBianca said. "She knew chimpanzees, they can get more difficult to handle as they get older."
Mental health professionals say a strong bond between pet owners and their animals is generally good because it can be therapeutic and comforting. The boundaries get blurred, though, when owners treat the animals like humans rather than pets, and expect a reciprocal relationship similar to what they would have with a family member.
David Baron, professor and chairman of the Temple University School of Medicine's psychiatry department, said in cases such as Herold's, the grief of losing loved ones could have made it easy for her to view Travis as a surrogate child and friend. Her husband died in 2004 and her only daughter was killed in a car accident several years ago.
"I wouldn't say that she shouldn't have a pet, but this may be something that should be looked at as part of a grief reaction that's beyond normal," he said.
Earl Mason, whose son married Herold's daughter, remembers when Herold got Travis. The chimp would ride a tricycle.
"He grew up like a youngster," Mason said. "He did everything a kid would do. He was a cute little guy."
Travis loved ice cream and even knew the schedules of the ice cream trucks, Mason said. He ate breakfast at the table with Herold and her husband.
But even was the chimp was a baby, Mason was amazed at his strength. When Travis would jump on him, Mason said he would slam into his chest.
"To me he was beating the crap out of me," Mason said. "He had just tremendous strength."
Don Mecca, a family friend, said Herold knew chimps became more difficult to handle as they get older, but she had a hard time parting with her beloved pet.
"Sandy would always say he would will himself to die if they were separated," Mecca said.
Mecca was reluctant to criticize his friend.
"I think he was lost," Mecca said of Travis. "He belongs in the jungle with the rest of them."
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Raz
02-20-2009, 12:21 AM
....Makes ya wonder who had dat extra chromosone here.....I reckon she was lettin da chimp do da dirty deed......

clinton
02-20-2009, 12:28 AM
yeah i to was shocked by how "close they became" .........

WarmCyanide
02-20-2009, 12:42 AM
tl;dr but i heard the chimp ripped her friends face off. noice. owner said the chimp drank wine too
maybe the xan caused paradoxical reaction? I'm thinkin these animals are still animals at the end of the day. Kinda like Sigfried and roy event?

clinton
02-20-2009, 12:45 AM
yeah im sure that a chimp taking xannies and drinking wine would get mighty confused on occasion

Nostromos
02-20-2009, 01:49 AM
people are pretty interested in this chimp attack. i remember a few years ago how some older couple's pet chimp chewed their faces off. there was another time, i read, where another chimp chewed a man's face and penis off. jesus!

Indy
02-20-2009, 02:01 AM
Some people get rages on xanax. People never believe me when i say that but it's actually somewhat (relatively speaking anyways. its not common enough to normally be an issue) common. Has to do with inhibition and impulse control

irish
02-20-2009, 02:26 AM
When chimps get older they CANNOT be kept like pets. They are aggressive and territorial animals. Sure they're cute when they are young but, the adults can tear your arm off. Not a good pet choice. And the way she lived with it is just creepy.

nycjrt
02-20-2009, 02:37 AM
When chimps get older they CANNOT be kept like pets. They are aggressive and territorial animals. Sure they're cute when they are young but, the adults can tear your arm off. Not a good pet choice. And the way she lived with it is just creepy.



i remember seeing a documentary about how once chimps hit 2-3 years old they cannot be kept as pets, there are sanctuaries all over begging for $ and volunteers to take care of these poor animals. this case was just bizarro, but also sad as can be- i feel bad for all three of them (owner, friend and chimp)- the owner was obv. sick after losing daughter/husband, imagine having to stab your surrogate child/husband (however misguided, she did appear to love the poor animal) in order to save your best friend?

ps- anyone else want to have a pet orangutan after seeing those clint eastwood movie back in the day? (everywhich way but loose/you can) - or a chimp , like BJ & the Bear - even chaka from land of the lost was kinda like a big pet chimp- damn the 70s were weird, must been the quaaludes?

EleusisII
02-20-2009, 05:10 AM
Chimps are fucking evil. End of story. (Sorta like dolphins, actually!)

A couple of years ago, biologists observed chimps consciously using tools as weapons for the first time.
An alpha chimp figured out, that a big heavy stick would be just excellent for BEATING THE CRAP OUT OF HIS MATE!
Tragic story... While the kids looked on even, and tried to defend mommy...

http://www.time.com/time/2002/sopranos/sampler.html

Yup... We're talking about an animal that has weaponised sticks, just for domestic violence. Evil I tell ya!

limitless_euphoria
02-20-2009, 06:48 AM
My buddy was telling me about that just yesterday I think. How ironic that the chimp was from my state? If I had a primate I would feed it xanax too--no wait, scratch that, I'd probably eat its script cause I'm a fiend. I wonder if you could train it to pass a blunt...

edhorfin
02-20-2009, 08:06 AM
The attack happened less than 1/2 mile from my house....At the local coffee joint this morning, I ran into the cop who patrols my neighborhood and asked him about it. Turns out, he was the cop who had to shoot the chimp. He said he'd never been more scared. (his beat is million dollar plus homes and very low, VERY low violence level....The woman's face was just gone, replaced by a bloody mess....Apparently, he hadn't gotten out of the car when the chimp tried to get in, it opened his door and he had to shoot it before it got in with him...imagina a screaming huge chimp, covered with blood trying to get in the front seat of car with a barrier between the front and the back....locked in a cage with a crazed ape. I bet he was scared.....I'd never seen the chimp around before or anything. I don;t think she walked it like a dog around the neighborhood.

EleusisII
02-20-2009, 08:08 AM
So this cop... After he shot it... Did he mention anything about the stimulus bill?

StinkyPickle
02-20-2009, 08:58 AM
My buddy was telling me about that just yesterday I think. How ironic that the chimp was from my state? If I had a primate I would feed it xanax too--no wait, scratch that, I'd probably eat its script cause I'm a fiend. I wonder if you could train it to pass a blunt...

Yeah, I'm embarassed to live in the same state as this woman. She gives her chimp Xanax, which causes aggression in animals (go figure). She says in an interview "Yeah, he was excited, so I figured a couple Xanax would calm him down" Then she tries to backpedal in another interview saying "Well he never drank the stuff with the Xanax in it." What a dumb bitch.

chopstix
02-20-2009, 10:02 AM
Chimps are fucking evil. End of story. (Sorta like dolphins, actually!)


Chimps and dolphins ain't shit compared to Barneysaurs' - have you ever smelled Barneysaurus breath?? Between the breath, the body odor and the constant stupid fucking grin, ya can't get within 50yards of one without vomiting profusely all over everything.

I'm serious, I saw one in a zoo in Denmark once and it was the creepiest fucking thing EVER, it just sat there in front of a monitor trolling the Internet but teh stank was horrible. They even had nose plugs available for viewing so people wouldn't zook all over themselves and the other patrons..

StinkyPickle
02-20-2009, 10:05 AM
Zook has now entered my vocabulary.

OCintheOC
02-20-2009, 10:46 AM
AHAHA omg i heard about this the other day..my dad called me and says " hey check out CNN.com a chimp attacked some ladies friend and it was high on xanax...i told you that shit makes you act wierd" LOL. this shit is hella funny..but i have to admit..anytime ive drank on xanny it makes me get angry and irritable and ive flipped out before. never mauled any girls face though...might have thought about it

JusChelle
02-20-2009, 11:08 AM
This shit is just crazy. What's next that people will try to tame as house pets? Jesus...

StinkyPickle
02-20-2009, 11:11 AM
Ever see an Ashara? They're friggin huge, but apparently as tame as housecats (they were bred to be domestic). I think they're gorgeous, and if I had like 20 grand sitting around I might consider getting one.

http://lesbianpiratequeen.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/ashera-cat.jpg

pizzaboy
02-20-2009, 11:48 AM
Wife and I have been arguing about this for a couple days.

My issue...I doubt the xanax was much of a factor. Chimps DO NOT make good pets...many if not most states have laws against keeping older chimps.

Like someone here said...while chimps are our closest genetic relatives they are territorial and agressive. Yeah, they are clever, but they can snap at any time. Anyone ever hear of one that DIDN'T lose it?

Gorillas have the bad repuation but are actually less aggressive.

I'm sticking to my kitties and doggies. I might get a scratch now and then but I have so far managed to keep my face attached.

Anyone see the cartoon showing the cops standing over the dead chimp? The caption read "Now who is gonna write the stimulus package." People are up in arms over that...

chopstix
02-20-2009, 12:01 PM
I hope someone beats the shit out of that cartoonist.

And this story isn't "hella funny" - someone is in ICU right now needing a face transplant and a mis-treated chimpanzee is dead. I don't think the story is funny at all.

OCintheOC
02-20-2009, 12:01 PM
IMO is it FUCKING HILARIOUS that chimp didnt go crazy and attack it went CHIMP! it is a fucking wild animal with instincts millions of years of evolution has devolped in them to survive. so putting it in a tuxedo and having it juggle is bordering on cruelty and no matter how much you train it. its still a creature with its own mind. i have to admit i LOVE seeing someone get attacked by an animal. these animals have no choice or say in this. they dont want to be taken from thier environment and put on a fucking bicycle. or in a ring against some fuckhead with a bunch of swords. so put one more check in the WIN column for the animal kingdom! im rooting for them

an interesting fact..

humans and chimps/ binobo are more genetically similar than a chimp is to a gorilla.

STRANGE BUT TRUE.

Larry
02-20-2009, 12:04 PM
IMO is it FUCKING HILARIOUS that chimp didnt go crazy and attack it went CHIMP! it is a fucking wild animal with instincts millions of years of evolution has devolped in them to survive. so putting it in a tuxedo and having it juggle is bordering on cruelty and no matter how much you train it. its still a creature with its own mind. i have to admit i LOVE seeing someone get attacked by an animal. these animals have no choice or say in this. they dont want to be taken from thier environment and put on a fucking bicycle. or in a ring against some fuckhead with a bunch of swords. so put one more check in the WIN column for the animal kingdom! im rooting for them

Def. not funny dude you got a sick sense of humor, you know they killed the chimp right?

OCintheOC
02-20-2009, 12:08 PM
they shouldnt have killed that chimp. they should have shot the bitches that thought it would be cute to give it wine and drugs and keep in the house. i stand by the fact that it IS funny.

killing an animal to STOP an attack i agree with but not after...put them back where they belong.

chopstix
02-20-2009, 12:14 PM
You're a fucking idiot.

WhyCatsPaint
02-20-2009, 12:20 PM
Primates have always terrified me but this whole story is awful. I hope the women in ICU recovers I feel horrible for her as she was going over only to help. And while many are mad and angry at the women who had the chimp as her pet I honestly think she has enough emotional burden on her now that criticizing her isn't going to help.

Many people see her behavior as odd and freakish and I can see where they are coming from but she's not the only one. How many people do you see dressing up their dogs and taking care of them as if they were the biological children. I agree primates are further from being domesticated but after she lost her daughter and husband she bonded closer to Travis. It's a tragic story and I see no humor in it either.

SP
You may be better off looking into Bangle Cats or Savannah Cats they are a little more reasonable priced I think I have seen some F5's in the range of roughly $500. I have been looking into Savannah's for awhile now but decided to wait a few years and now another cat breed got my attention so I'm going to wait awhile.

pizzaboy
02-20-2009, 12:29 PM
Regarding the cartoon...

The NY Post has issued a partial apology.

Still, I'm a little troubled. I'm not sure of the intent of the cartoon...was the artist referring the Congress, who wrote the stimulus bill?

Or...was the cartoonist referring the Obama? I think that is what most people thought and got pissed at the obvious racial connotations.

I'm not sure its quite fair. Obama is President and as such is subject to ridicule...I often referred to his predecesor has a monkey.

SynthMorph
02-20-2009, 12:31 PM
Chimps and dolphins ain't shit compared to Barneysaurs' - have you ever smelled Barneysaurus breath?? Between the breath, the body odor and the constant stupid fucking grin, ya can't get within 50yards of one without vomiting profusely all over everything.

I'm serious, I saw one in a zoo in Denmark once and it was the creepiest fucking thing EVER, it just sat there in front of a monitor trolling the Internet but teh stank was horrible. They even had nose plugs available for viewing so people wouldn't zook all over themselves and the other patrons..

Check this out, a rare picture of the Barneysaurus in his natural habitat.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/32/57674003_04765feb3c.jpg?v=0

Poppylvr
02-20-2009, 12:40 PM
Check this out, a rare picture of the Barneysaurus in his natural habitat.



EEK, you've given me my nightmare for tonight. Thanks alot!

It's well know in psychiatric care that for many people benzos can be "disinhibiting" They remove the behavioral controls the person has naturally and allow people to do things they might otherwise not - like cut themselves, or jump in front of a truck.
When we have to sedate someone at my hospital we use a combo of an antipsychotic and a benzo. Often times I have to decide if giving someone a benzo will really help or will it make things worse - make them more irritable or more likely to act out.
I know nothing of chimp physiology. But it strikes me that giving xanax to an already agitated, confused (and to my mind abused) primate is a really bad idea.
I sure hope the friend makes it with a face that looks like a human.

jacky
02-20-2009, 01:03 PM
rouge nature was on last night.

the subject was chimps that are violent.

in the USA one owner who had taken his chimp to a sanctuary, was attacked at that sanctuary by a few chimps.
he lost his nose.....I think his testicles...probably an ear, and some fleshy parts of his body in the attack.
friggin horrid.

the host of the show considers chimps one of the most dangerous animals on earth because of strength, and human like violence.
one child was taken and eaten in africa not too long ago.

people are idiots with their animals.
I could see xanax possibly increasing rage.
I know for me personally, clonipin and benzos can help make me belligerent.

EleusisII
02-20-2009, 03:34 PM
[quote=SynthMorph;352720]Check this out, a rare picture of the Barneysaurus in his natural habitat. /quote]

Ah, I see you know Encyclopedia Dramatica too, eh? But what I don't understand is why you put a picture of your mom there?

Oh, hold on... Let me guess

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/cc/Its_a_conspiracy.jpg

Nice hat Synthmorph, though I'm nt sure it'll protect you from the evil mindrays of the GLOBAL ELITE!

Narkotikon
02-20-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm not taking anyone's side, but I think that aluminum hat is amazingly funny.

Four or five years ago my oldest sister was again on a shitload of psych meds, and she swore up and down one night that she saw a bird in her house, and apparently she was swatting at it and trying to get it to leave. My youngest sister and I think the medication she's on is fucking her up, and caused her to hallucinate.

We know it's wrong, but we keep talking about how we want to make her a crazy hat. Like, get a giant floppy straw hat, line it with foil, then I want to get some chopsticks, line those in foil, to make it look like antennae, then attach them on one end, then hot glue some string on the tops of chopsticks, and tie on some of those little fake crows / blackbirds that they sell in craft stores. Instant crazy hat. She'd never wear it long enough to take a picture though.

But, yes, aluminum foil is apparently great for keeping out the "rays."

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As for the chimp, if the lady really wanted to get it on with a primate, she should have gotten a bonobo.

nick
02-20-2009, 05:17 PM
Yeah,I don't find this funny at all(apart from the aluminum hat) it's the kinda story that makes me won't to move to a desert island.

Poppylvr
02-20-2009, 06:23 PM
I'm not taking anyone's side, but I think that aluminum hat is amazingly funny.

Four or five years ago my oldest sister was again on a shitload of psych meds, and she swore up and down one night that she saw a bird in her house, and apparently she was swatting at it and trying to get it to leave. My youngest sister and I think the medication she's on is fucking her up, and caused her to hallucinate.

We know it's wrong, but we keep talking about how we want to make her a crazy hat. Like, get a giant floppy straw hat, line it with foil, then I want to get some chopsticks, line those in foil, to make it look like antennae, then attach them on one end, then hot glue some string on the tops of chopsticks, and tie on some of those little fake crows / blackbirds that they sell in craft stores. Instant crazy hat. She'd never wear it long enough to take a picture though.

But, yes, aluminum foil is apparently great for keeping out the "rays."

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As for the chimp, if the lady really wanted to get it on with a primate, she should have gotten a bonobo.
Narkotikon, I'm sorry about your sister.
We the staff at a free standing hospital have often discussed going up on the roof and carefully covering it with aluminum foil - kinda like the world's biggest foil hat. It's just another service we offer our psych patients:D !

Narkotikon
02-20-2009, 08:39 PM
Narkotikon, I'm sorry about your sister.
We the staff at a free standing hospital have often discussed going up on the roof and carefully covering it with aluminum foil - kinda like the world's biggest foil hat. It's just another service we offer our psych patients:D !

Yeah, a part of me feels bad for thinking that, but it's not like she's really psychotic or anything. I really do think it was because of some drug interaction. She's famous for diagnosing herself and then having the doctors script all of these drugs because she thinks they help, when in actuality me (and my other sisters / mother) think it's just making things worse for her. I mean, some of the things just seem counter-intuitive to me. Luckily, though, the only addictive thing she takes is Ativan, and she doesn't take that year-round, every year. Just for a few months here and there. I could somewhat understand it if she was on something addictive, because I probably wouldn't want to quit taking them either. But why she insists on taking all of this other stuff that doesn't really seem to help her, I have no idea.

But, yeah, aluminum foil is great. The sister I"m talking about is actually the one who told me that years and years ago. She used to do mobile crisis in the psych emergency department of a local hospital, (she's a social worker, which is the sad / scary part), and she said one time some guy had plastered his entire tv room walls with aluminum foil because he thought the rays were going to get him. I like learning about psych disorders and stuff like that, but I don't think I'd ever want to do anything like that. Psychotic people can be really scary.

More Feen
02-23-2009, 02:11 PM
Even physicallly small chimpanzees can over-power adult human males--something about the way in which their muscles are strung-up to their bones.

I wonder if a bonobo would've been a better choice....

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