no one should go through the pain i am feeling rite now

[drod]

The whole oxy world is one big trap and it will screw any ones life up. i should have never started
now i am sooo dependent on them that i cant sleep or any thing i knew when i did o for the first time i should have stopped because it made me vomit but this is just another classic example of a teenager that knew every thing this sucks being a product of a richmans wasteland!!!!

[Opiyum]

I wouldnt reccomend you start clogging up the forums with things you posted in a thread you started ten minutes ago. This forum isnt here for bitching and moaning. We are all well aware of this fact and if you want it we can help you but your going about it the wrong way.
Just take it easy, relax, count to ten...seriously DO IT. and tell us what you want to do about your situation not to mention give us some detail about your situation. Then maybe we can help. Just dont get all thread postin' crazy cause I just read the same fucking thing a minute and a half ago in another thread you created.
We can help you but only if you let and help us help you. The way your headed people arent gonna like you very much. I speak from experience my friend.

[drod]

sorry about that opiyum just these withdrawls can have a guy on the edge

[antony]

drod, the part of being an opiophile is going on temp break with them.


as i asked "why do we do this" its because there is no better feeling. fuck cash, you gotta pay to play.

no is your chance

[ssjTiamat]

Well dude. I feel for ya. Really, I do.

As to your initial sentiment, my mother likes to call Oxy the Devil Pill. Simply for that reason. She says they make you lie, cheat and steal. See, my father is alos on Oxy and has been for the last 5 years. He was a window washer in downtown Chicago when I was a kid. Ohh this musta been about maybe 22 years ago or so. Anyway.. him and his partner were 10 stories up when the cable on their scaffold snapped. They both plummeted to the ground and amzingly, they both survived!

He has since had a myriad of health problems not to mention 4 heart attacks. I'm tellin you, the fucker will not die! Anyway... he has been on oxy for some time now and my mother is forced to hold them and give him his two pills per day. Otherwise he would chew em up in about 5 days. But the fucker is stealing from his stash every chance he gets. He has also pulled or tried to pull just about every pharmacy/doctor scam/excuse you can think of just to get his script early or whatever. But that is the basis of my mothers comments.

At first she made sense. But I have since realized after suffering from some of the same tendancies my father went thru. Actually that he is going thru. But I have dealt with it. I firmly believe that although what she says (and what your saying) makes sense, it is not the pills.. but the person. You have to realize that there is more there than just getting that extra pill, even when you know you should not take it. But like Opiyum said.... give us some more info and we can offer some better help. If your going thru withdrawals.. search the forums as well as the net for some tips or remedies. They will not make them go away but they will ease the pain. Withdrawls are actually what drew me to this site in the first place. I figured, "Hell, if this damn tea thing actually works.. then I will have a backup for when i run out of meds and will not have to suffer thru any more withdrawls. And low and behold.. it worked. Maybe something along those lines can be an answer for ya?

See, thats the thing. If you can calm down a bit and inform us on your situation.. you might be surprised as to how much we can all help ya out to get thru this. Just dont go around blaming society or "the richmans etc..." they had nothing to do with it. And they didnt put the drug in the dealers hands and there are no subliminal messages forcing you to take this shit. Once you take credit (responsibility) for your own actions you will be better off.

SSJ

[ZodiacKiller]

I dunno guys, I may be wrong, but I smell a troll here.

When I first posted on a drug forum (not this one, I wish I'd known about it at the time) for help with withdrawal, I explained my situation as succinctly as I could, but I also posted relevant info ie. how large my habit was, what I knew about kicking, what I knew about help resources, etc..

And I didn't type one semi-derogatory paragraph and post it in two threads...

And drod, if you are legit, sorry, ain't trying to flame you but you need a lesson in forum etiquette, man.

Ah shit, it's late as hell, I should be in bed and what the hell do I know anyway.....:mad:

ZK

[devilsdrug]

im just about with u

[Matty Fats 420]

drod i dont know much about your habbit but when you kick it sucks. i came down from a bundle a day of heroin and i had a friend tell me that sugar helped withdrawl. i dont know about the truth in this didnt seem to work much for me ( i dont know if anyone else has heard that ) but i went to my own idea and bought a thing of tylanol PM and poped 2 of those and was sleeping in about an hour. woke up ever hour on the hour and took 2 more. got me through the first day and then it wasnt AS bad. but still sucks. this is just something you have to deal with if you want to be a junkey!! sorry man

[Phluck]

I doubt he's out to intentionally cause trouble... I think he's just a kid who's gotten himself in too deep. If he doesn't learn to be a bit more mature, that's one thing, but he's obviously frightened. When you first realize exactly how serious and real opiate addiction is, it's pretty scary, especially for a teenager, as he seems to be.

A little advice on getting through withdrawal though... you can make it a little better, but you can't avoid it. A little bit of ibuprofen (ie. Advil) and loperdamide (ie. Immodium) will reduce some of the more serious symptoms. I've found that music actually sounds really good while withdrawing... it's kind of like being doped up prevented it from hitting the emotional buttons it used to, so enjoy that while you can. Reading can take your mind off the pain as well. Might be a good time to read some of the junky classics, and learn just how lucky you are compared to some. Find a copy of Junky by William S. Burroughs, or Trainspotting by Irvine Welsh. A lot of people don't seem to be aware that this was a book before it was a movie, and an excellent book at that. The plotline isn't as linear or heroin centred as the movie, it's almost like a collection of short stories, some of which are only barely related to the plot line used in the movie, one of the best books I've ever read. It's a little difficult at first 'cause most of it is written as a phoenetic version of the Scottish accent, but once you've got the accent solidly in your head, it's a lot of fun to read. Oh, and you've got to know that "ken" means "know", and "bairn" means "baby" or "child".

An example: "He droaps a cotton ball intae the spoon n blaws oan it, before sucking up aboot 5 mls through the needle, intae the barrel ay the syringe. He's goat a fuckin huge blue vein tapped up, which seems to be almost comin through Ali's airm. He pierces her flesh and injects a wee bit slowly, before sucking blood back intae the chamber.....[snip]
---That beats any meat injection....that beats any fuckin cock inthe world...Ali gasps, completely serious. It unnerves us tae the extent that ah feel ma ain genitals through ma troosers tae see if they're still thair."

If you want either of those books, but can't find 'em, PM me. I've get them both in digital form if you're comfortable reading from a computer.

You might feel like all you want to do is sit around and watch TV, but this tends to actually make things worse. For the first few days, any kind of movement might make you feel winded instantly, but as soon as you can, go for long walks. It won't make the pain go away, but it will distract your mind a bit. Once you're nearing the end of the withdrawal, biking might be a good idea. It will probably still be pretty awful, intensely exhausting, but when you get home and lay down, your body will pump a lot of endorphins into your brain, which provides a tiny bit of relief. As you get back to being genuinely normal, excercise is a good habit to get into. Regular excercise certainly does take a bit of discipline, but it's well worth it. It's not unlike an opiate habit in some ways. It keeps your endorphin levels high, which is basically your body's natural opiate system. It's certainly not as easy and euphoric as snorting oxycodone regularly, but it's cheaper, healthier, and will keep you a lot happier.

Smoking a bit of pot can help as well, but this varies from person to person. I recommend it for keeping your appetite up. If you're able to eat normally, having your blood sugar at a reasonable level will help you a lot.

[Curio]

drod i dont know much about your habbit but when you kick it sucks. i came down from a bundle a day of heroin and i had a friend tell me that sugar helped withdrawl. i dont know about the truth in this didnt seem to work much for me ( i dont know if anyone else has heard that ) but i went to my own idea and bought a thing of tylanol PM and poped 2 of those and was sleeping in about an hour. woke up ever hour on the hour and took 2 more. got me through the first day and then it wasnt AS bad. but still sucks. this is just something you have to deal with if you want to be a junkey!! sorry man

this isn't the best idea in the world, strictly because of all the tylenol intake...a person's much better off just getting plain benadryl(diphenhydramine is the generic name) and taking it. That is all is in the "pm" part of Tylenol PMs, anyway....

[satori]

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[HistoryofMadness]

went to my own idea and bought a thing of tylanol PM and poped 2 of those and was sleeping in about an hour. woke up ever hour on the hour and took 2 more. got me through the first day and then it wasnt AS bad.

Man the last time I kicked was coming off of subs... I tried everything to sleep. I was so bad off the first couple of days I didn't sleep at all. Finally the 3rd day I went to the store and bought the generic unisom... 50mg diphenhydramine, i think.

Anyway, I immediately too 1, no sleep, then 2 more, nothing. A few hours later I took a few more. Now this next part is stupid but I was losing it from no sleep... I then emptied all of the liquid from all of the pills left into a cup, mixed some water in it, and basically shot the entire amount that was left over a couple of shots. I don't even know how many there were, but NOTHING. No sleepiness, no drowsy, all I felt was 'heavy' (go figure) and confused but that's it.

I stumbled around the house for a few hours feeling totally lost, and heavy, and they wore off after a while. I didn't sleep at all for the first week. Then I started getting a couple of hours here and there during the second week. By the third week I was getting semi-regular sleeping patters, but not a full night. Fucking sucked ass.

Didn't mean to hijack... just reminded me... oh well, good luck to anyone in pain from WD right now.

-H

[ZodiacKiller]

^ How much Sub per mg did you jump off at, HoM? I'm thinkin' it may have been a higher dose--generally when doing a gradual taper, I think most people said they were at .5 or even .1mg (although I can't fathom how you'd measure that small).

I can usually jump off at .5mg if I have something just for backup, like Tramadol or even loperamide.

As it relates to sleep, most people who've been on Sub for some time (like my wife, who's been on it it since December), taper very gradually, if they even wanna get off it at all. But usually sleep patterns have returned after the first few weeks or month, albeit sometimes with the help of stuff like Trazadone and benzos.

How long have you been on Sub? I'm on it right now; taking a break from a nine day heroin run, the last few days of this past weekend being pretty nuts. It sucks ass--I'm craving like a motherfucker, even with the sub AND benzos.

ZK

[HistoryofMadness]

Well, I had some things going on, if you will, and moved across the country. In the process, I basically scored some dilaudid for the drive and move, and sucked it up and just came off 8mg / day... I did my own taper, basically skipping days to lower the level in my body, and then breaking them up and stuff.

The real problem was 2-fold: First, I moved within about 10 days of making the decision, so wasn't really much time to plan. Secondly, I was chipping dilaudid while I was trying to taper off subs. I gave myself the reason that I had so much shit going on that I couldn't really afford to go into WD.

The problem there was how much of a tolerance the subs gave me. Just because you can't feel subs doesn't mean they aren't very fucking powerful, as you probably know.

But as for the WD, detox, and PAWS, the WD itself wasn't really that much more dramatic than a good H or dilaudid kick. The detox process felt like it took for fucking ever. But the true test was PAWS, which was probably more a sign of how long I'd had a habit, in years, and the methadone /subs/ dilaudid / methadone / subs rollercoaster I had been on.

But after all that, I sit here now with absolutely no physical addiction to anything, I am sleeping better (but not normally, still after many months), and don't feel absolutely insane all the time.

Aside from the occasional cocaine bender, kratom tea, 1 prescription of pain pills for a broken toe, and a shot of heroin maybe 5 times, I have actually been off of dope for almost a year. Oh, and only one shot of heroin this year. Not bad, not bad.

Sorry for the rambling post. Don't really even know if I answered any of your Q's. Maybe more specifics in a thread in the Sub forum, if you like?

-H

[jerzyjunk]

yea it tends ta be a vicous cycle cuz when your on day 4 or8 somthin will fall in your lap :Dnot funny but when you been thru it all for a while you kinda get used to it

[jerzyjunk]

i feel for ya,but you gotta pay ta play someday, everyone who plays will pay...............................my advise either stop taking the oxy or find a good doctor who will treat your "chronic pain"i dont know you, or your situation but if you dont have your own script with an understanding doc yer pretty much fucked. i hope you feel better by now stop while you can bro you sound like this iz new too you?

[ZodiacKiller]

The problem there was how much of a tolerance the subs gave me. Just because you can't feel subs doesn't mean they aren't very fucking powerful, as you probably know.


But after all that, I sit here now with absolutely no physical addiction to anything, I am sleeping better (but not normally, still after many months), and don't feel absolutely insane all the time.

Aside from the occasional cocaine bender, kratom tea, 1 prescription of pain pills for a broken toe, and a shot of heroin maybe 5 times, I have actually been off of dope for almost a year. Oh, and only one shot of heroin this year. Not bad, not bad.-H

Actually, HoM, I think you're doing ok, shit, I wish I had my H use down to the level of control you do. I just really like to get high, and having a hook-up a phone call away does not help me keep it in control. So I think you deserve a litttle treat now and then if it ain't gonna fuck up your plans.

But, yeah, for sure the Sub is hard to break through, even with a powerful opiate like heroin. If I have any Sub in my system, even from, say, 2 days ago, it always takes more H to get where I wanna be. The stuff definitely clings to your receptors for a while (I think it's half-life is like 36 hours or something)...

ZK