Withdrawal From Methadone

[slapsilly]

anyone know anything about methadone withdrawal and what could help?

[bi11i]

Buprenorphine? (http://www.opiophile.org/forumdisplay.php?f=11)

[blackdog]

Buprenorphine? (http://www.opiophile.org/forumdisplay.php?f=11)
yeah what he said,the last 3-4 day detox i went to had alot of methadoners and you know what else yup oxy's and any and all types scrips. It's like skag went outa style ,i dont know,call me simple doi/buprenorphine just dont do it at all fer me i've tried 2-3 times it puts me into immediate cold turkey/withdrawel ouch bigtime

[darkangel]

methadone withdrawal is about the worst far as i can tell,it takes weeks literally. i have never been so sick for so damn long. thats coming off of 100mg a day for a year. ater 2 months i got myself into another clinic, and now im clean except methadone of course. my advice to anyone is go slowly down through a clinic after they have been on nothing but methadone for a very long time.

[1badrabbit]

yeah what he said,the last 3-4 day detox i went to had alot of methadoners and you know what else yup oxy's and any and all types scrips. It's like skag went outa style ,i dont know,call me simple doi/buprenorphine just dont do it at all fer me i've tried 2-3 times it puts me into immediate cold turkey/withdrawel ouch bigtime

Sounds like you might not have waited long enough from the last time you took any other opiates to when you took the sub. Also I have noticed after using for a while and going back on Sub the 12-24 hours I sometimes still don't feel completely withdrawal free. It seems like the first day I still have the chills and sometimes I feel sore or tired. The feeling I get is that the receptors have to adapt to the bupe and thats why it doesn't provide complete relief initially to some people.

[jacky]

vitamins, amino acids, some herbs, chocolate. throw the fucking book at the withdrawls. I personally want to avoid methadone except for inebriation experiences and not be maintained on that drug. I think classic opiates may be better in the long run, the problem is partly just using one substance. I am sure an addictions counselor would disagree on many points. I think methadone leaves one in a constant state of saturation, and I have heard of long time habits producing toxic effects as far as nutrition and calcium density, colon health etc. I went through a 3 week quick detox off of my heaviest heroin addiction and cocaine addiction periods, and think methadone is a great tool for quick withdrawl, trading the heroin withdrawl for minimal methadone withdrawl at the three week period where I started a 10 day ween, that ultimitaley was softened by clonazepam, clonidine and ativan at the very end, was a good experience. I would rather be maintained on buproenorphine. having a prescription for tramadol and using other substances like herbs, chocolate, amino acids(tryptophan, GABA) worked for me awhile. I was on methadone for 5-6 months and had to slowly ween off, aboiut a milligram every three days. I didnt suffer much but pretty extreme lack of motivation and energy. I also suffered some extreme constipation using methadone. Some people love the stuff, and I am sure that many people would have overdosed eventually if not for the drug. my 5-6 months was enough to keep me off of oxycodone during the big oxyrush that happened half a decade ago or so, and after methadone I used tramadol for a period, eventually finding out about poppy seeds and building up a strange addiction to the alkaloids in that source, Using methadone for traveling far distances might be a good idea for some opiate addicts due to its dosing nature. having a doctor prescribe it for backcountry hiking trips might make more sense than the standard hydrocodone or other opiates due to the long lasting nature of methadone. I could think of many other instances where methadone might be prefferable to other opiates, but not maintenance, some of the nightmares and feelings I got while using methadone as a maintenance drug were uncomfortable except in the case of my quick withdrawl program.

[darkangel]

for the last 5 or 6 years i only used hard narcotics so i couldnt seem to get well off things like hydrocodone or oxy. now for years thats all i used was hydro. and oxy but once i switched over to shooting pills which was oxys at first and then i could take them and feel a little better but i was on dilaudid and heroin and went over to methadone so i could get away from the needle and i tried all kinds of weaker pills but methadone is the only thing that came close. i would like to try buprenex but im afraid im too far gone for that ive been on methadone 105mg for 3 years and dilaudid for 4 or 5 years previous to that. does anyone know if i could switch over without going through hell?

[jacky]

buprenorphine is pretty amazing stuff. I was in withdrawl and used .2 milligram amps and found relief with the first shot in under a minute it seemed. this was pure burpenorphine, no naloxone. From what billi has told me the material actually may be stronger in the smaller dosages in some ways. I think that if you tried buprenorphine you would notice some changes mentally, methadone has been shown to actually lessen response mechanisms both mental and physical. some opioids will actually INCREASE reaction times and cognitive reaction/performance. . kratom is amazing stuff for breaking a set regimine. I know how hard getting off methadone can be for someone with a long time habit. buprenorphine may even leave you feeling euphoria compared to methadone. I dont know if there are any special considerations to think about with the specifics of coming off of methadone and on to bup, the long saturation life of methadone is longer than most opiates. You are going to want to take the buprenorphine after you are experiencing definite wihdrawl symptoms, I once made the mistake of taking some bup 13 hours after my last dose of a mixture of codeine, poppy seeds, and DXM. this was not long enough. I started getting a headache, which is very rare for me, and as the headache grew I took another dose of bup the size of the first 2mg for a total of 4 mgs....the headache got worse, and what felt like forced withdrawl took place with diarrhea, chills, and sweats. I have also seen this happen to another person, and it is not pretty. This is the only drawback to this material, very different than being maintaned on buprenorphine and then taking another type of opiate. I now know why the DRs are insistent on seeing withdrawl symptoms when first administering buprenorphine. I might if I were a doctor request 24 inpatient treatment initially with most individuals just in case they tried to dose on the material too early. It was some of the most intense pain I have felt in my frontal cortex. People react to opioids differently . there are actually two sets of maintenance side effects attributed to naltrexone, I know this becasue me and billi were in communication at the same time we were both trying naltrexone for opioid avoidance maintenance, the literature described these for the most part ,seperate lists of side effects, and we noticed a similiar trend in our sideffects. I have tried taking microgram amounts of naltrexone in conjunction with codeine, poppy seeds, the effect seems to be that of potentiation, with the daily doses of this regimine I noticed tinnitus starting to build, and I started getting really nauseous and decided to cut the naltrexone out of the picture. my method of measurement was probaly a problem as I did not microgrind the pill before putting into a litre of good water, and could have fluctuated probably 100 or so micrograms to the eye dropper. this is blind area , this feeling around chemically...the idea with small amounts of naltrexone is to potentiate the opioids and be able to detox by weening off of both. Most of the buprenorphine that is going around are 8 milligrams with an amount of naloxone that I am not sure of. I imagine that their may be a cieling in doseage that the naloxone starts to counteract analgesic effects of the buprenorphine, someone told me the only reason the naloxone is in there is so they cant be mainlined...and that when taken sublingually the naloxone isnt as absorbable as the buprenorphine. maybe its a possibility that low doses of buprenorphine/naloxone is stronger at lower doses? some people I have talked to have claimed this, people maintaned on less than a milligram of buprenorphine daily. A person I know who was taking 60 plus milligrams a day did seem to have some visual doped up looks at times, and a certian tone to the voice that suggested inebriation. But this person claimed that he really didnt feel the sruff anymore...perhaps the saturation level is so consistant that the peaks and valleys of response are eliminated? the whole buprenorphine program is still a technical experiment, with some media reports that the restrictions on prescriptions is about to get alot more lenient. I think that with methadone you would ahve to wait a few days at least to take the bup. last time I switched onto the stuff I waited some 30 hours from my last opiate dose till I took the bup, dreading another experience like the one where I only waited 13 hours.

[Sykotherapudik Lee]

From what I hear, switching from Methadone to Buprenorphine can be slightly uncomfortable, but not much in comparison to the alternative. I think at most, you'd be looking at some minor post-withdrawal symptoms from the methadone, even after a switch to the bup, for at least a week or so. I also think that clearing all that methadone out of your system would make you feel good enough to not even care....

[Dane]

Having taken methadon for years for chronic pain I occaasionally detox to bring the tolerance levels back down to "normal". Taking tramadol (Ultram) 2 to 6 tablets every 6 hours almost completly eliminates withdrawl symptoms.
Dane

[voodoobudah]

Tramadol is some wicked stuff,makes me feel wide awake (at sleep),gives me electric -like zaps to my brain.A slight feeling of euphoria overwelmed with paranoria .Out of body type experiences when trying to sleep,might as well chug robitussin.

[jacky]

sounds like you are sensitive to dopaminergics. tramadol effects the serotonin as well as the dopamine levels in addition to the opioid. compare tramadol to effexors structure, they are both cyclohexanol compounds. effexor creates some similiar side effects that you list. tramadol can also test a person positive for pcp, probably due to similiar metabolites.

[nonnie7781]

hey ,

I have done it so many times don't know where to start, personally I think that coming off meth is far worse than coming of brown, depends on if you do the titration method or not, if you basically decrease your dose by .5ml every week then that shouldn't be too harsh, how much are you on at the moment? :o

[chucky]

I agree with nonnie, it has always taken me atleast two weeks to get over the withdrawl of methadone, where as coming of herion it only took 3-7 days depending on how much i was using, the sweats and chills always seemed worse to , but that could all be just mental.hmmm

[Somni Divine]

Stay with the clinic, and go down 10mg or ml a week, that would be their plan for you .... somehow I don't think you are sticking with the clinic though. Did you go straight to buprenorphine from methadone? Was it under a doctors care?
I did find some things that can strengthen the methadone, like vistoril or atarax should increase what you have by 50 percent, but if your goal is to get off the stuf, then that probably isn't a good idea.
Just wondering, why are you quitting?

[Blake]

Hey people,

first post...

Anyway, i was on 120 mg dose for 2 years and one day I decided I was sick of it. I detoxed myself at home cold. Locked myself in the bathroom and didn't come out for a week and a half...I had a family member make sure I didn't die, but it felt like I was. I have detoxed from many different opiates and methadone is by far and away the worst withdrawal I have ever went through. Lots of advil, immodium, pepto, phenegran and chocolate helped me. I felt moderatly sick for almost a month and a half, it was fucking awful. The cool thing is that now I feel great, grit your teeth and bear it.

[kramorph]

Fucking sucks eh? You go to a doc with a problem and they make it ten times worse.Fuck ya methadone and ya bup., go cold turkey from H, it is by far the easiest.Maybe use codeine to help w/ds but you would need a hell of alot after methadone.Its like you are addicted to beer so they give you whiskey to beat ya beer habit. Fuckwits!