Glomerin

[chemboy7]

So I just posted something about Quaaludes (or rather the lack of) in someone's thread about Barbituates and it got me thinking about making this thread. This is something I have been thinking about for awhile now. There is a pillipede (like a millipede but not as long and fatter) that when provoked it curls up into a ball and secretes a gooey that has been named "Glomerin" after the pillipede that produces it, Glomeris Marginata. Here are some pictures of the little devil's

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5189/glomerismarginatapillipede5hn.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glomerismarginatapillipede5hn.jpg)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1960/glomerismarginata7du.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=glomerismarginata7du.jpg)

Anyways, this Glomerin that they produce contains some interesting things to knock it's prey out fast, things like 1,2-Dimethylquinazolin-4(1H)-one, a similar analoug that I cannot recall or find at present time, and a host of other Quinazolinones. What is interesting about this 1,2-Dimethylquinazolin-4(1H)-one is it's structural similarities to Methaqualone. Here's a link to the 1,2-Dimethylquinazolin-4(1H)-one chemical structure and a pic of Methaqualone's

http://www.pherobase.com/database/compound/compounds-detail-glomerin.php

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3663/methaqualone2d5kx.th.jpg (http://img269.imageshack.us/my.php?image=methaqualone2d5kx.jpg)

I haven't come acrossed any reports on it, or it's analoges, effect's on human's yet but I do have this quote from Jim Hogshire from his book Pills-a-Go-Go about it's effects on wolf spiders, the pillipede's most fierce enemy,

"The result: the majority of millipedes {he incorrectly calls them millipedes, they are in fact pillipedes}, rolled into a ball and exuding gubules of Glomerin, fended off the attack. More than a third weren't even bitten. Later, when the researchers force-fed Glomerin to the wolf spiders they became disoriented and uncoordinated to the point of being immobilized. When placed on their backs, the spiders couldn't even right themselves and simply lay there for days on end. In the wild, ants would have made short work of them within a couple of hours. Further experiments using higher doses had the predictable result of killing the spiders."

Sounds pretty cool to me. The Glomeris Marginata pillipede is native to Europe and I have yet to find a vendor that stocks them, haven't checked exotic pet shops... probably wouldn't have much luck with it there either. Harvesting drugs from animals isn't as strange as it seems, let us not forget insulin, hormones, and all that good old DMT within all our mammilian (sp) brains... and in the Bufo Alvarius toad's venom glands that can be milked. I actually had a friend who had a few of those monsters around for that same purpose. With their venom you milk it onto a plate and let it dry and you are left with a smokable heap of what looks like snot and has the consistency of rubber cement. Here is a thumbnail of one of them.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5514/bufoalvarius3lg.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Crickey aint she a beaut!

[katomic]

Shit we have them in the UK I used to play with them when I was real young touching them and watching them go in to little balls then sometimes I would and try to crush then in my fingers they where real hard oh and we would flick them about like marbles see how far they go and stuff…

What a bastard

I used to call them pill bugs I haven’t seen one in ages, probably because I don’t play in the dirt any more, but next time I do I will piss it off and put it in my mouth and report back to you guys

[chemboy7]

Shit we have them in the UK I used to play with them when I was real young touching them and watching them go in to little balls then sometimes I would and try to crush then in my fingers they where real hard oh and we would flick them about like marbles see how far they go and stuff…

What a bastard

I used to call them pill bugs I haven’t seen one in ages, probably because I don’t play in the dirt any more, but next time I do I will piss it off and put it in my mouth and report back to you guys

Oh yes, please do... I am dying to know what this Glomerin is all about. I have been researching it for a while but reports are nil.

[katomic]

Its nice weather so I m gona go play in the dirt

wweeeeeeeee

[Phluck]

Should be noted.... the toads don't produce DMT, they produce 5-MeO-DMT, which isn't quite as wild as DMT, but it's pretty darn wild.

[jacky]

that is real interesting.

I feed these bugs sometimes to my fire bellied toad, he seems to suffer no side effects from the consumption of them, but that is just my observation.

sounds like these bugs might be of a beneficial use to some cultures, perhaps they are used by the chinese?

I have plenty of these bugs hanging out around my house, but wouldnt go as far as to use them for glomerin production, they are such docile,useful part of the ecosystem here in my yard. I hate to even feed them to my toad.

[HistoryofMadness]

Roly Poly... hehe that's what I've always heard them called... anyway there are a million and a half outside of my front door. I mowed the grass the other day and I could barely walk across my sidewalk without stepping on'em.

Interesting. But Jacky if you feed them to your toad I wonder why the effects aren't felt there?

Hmmm....

I think my bug-eating days are over... but if I ever get the urge, I'll let everyone know how it goes.

-H

[jacky]

well, the toad I have is toxic in its own, so perhaps toxins just please my toad? I have fed 5 or 6 rolypolys at a time to the toad.
that toad will sit in one place for hours at a time though, so I wonder how much a person could tell from observation anyway?

certian pyrolation experiments come to mind. letting the bugs be harrassed on a plate of glass....shaving amber deposits from the glass after drying.....

mugwhump jism.

bug juice.

burroughisms........

I want to know if any one tries such a thing.

[antony]

there hass to be a difference between potato bugs (rolly poli?) and the pillipedes. right? before people try to piss off thee little bugs in our basements in the states. they look different to me.

[katomic]

Wow it was a fun adventure playing in the dirt it brought back loads of good memories too, I found a mug, some charcoal (we’r having a bbq tomorrow now) some bricks and lots and lots of little poppy shots nut I no pillbugs just loads of woodlice which look almost the same but a little different hears a link http://www.the-piedpiper.co.uk/th11b(2).htm (http://www.the-piedpiper.co.uk/th11b(2).htm)
That’s what you guys might be catching I don’t know there real common, pillbugs are much rounder that link will tell you it also says that starlings (a bird) eat loads of them and nothing happens to them but different chem s effect different animals in different ways if at all.

[antony]

thanks for that diagram katomic! I never compared those little fuckers, but im compelled to now:D

[katomic]

I can actually remember playing "find the pillbug" in the infested bottom end of our garden amongst all the woodlouse
Memories

[insanesteveo]

about these two different types of bugs.....

i bet that the one in the US is not toxic, and the one in europe is. im guessing thats why jackys toad doesnt get all crazy. its either that or the toxins are located in seperate places in the bug and they have to combine and react to form glomerin.

just a thought.:rolleyes:




but i too, remember finding those all over the yard, under rocks, under stumps, and everywhere else.

[chemboy7]

The bugs that you guys are most likely reffering to are roly poly type bugs or millipedes... these Glomeris Marginata pillipedes are native to only Europe as far as I know. They are actually quite a bit bigger than the bugs you guys are talking about (I think they can reach almost an inch long) and are quite plump.

[insanesteveo]

The bugs that you guys are most likely reffering to are roly poly type bugs or millipedes... these Glomeris Marginata pillipedes are native to only Europe as far as I know. They are actually quite a bit bigger than the bugs you guys are talking about (I think they can reach almost an inch long) and are quite plump.

yea, thats what i was thinking too chemboy, about the size and the fact that the "good" ones are only found in europe. but who knows, some may have gotten to the americas somehow.

either way, i doubt any of us in the states has actually seen these pillipedes.

[marblehead]

hey katomic use a magnifying glass if you want to piss em off thats what we used to do. AHH I love the warm memories you people conjure from my morphine laced subconcious