**** JWH018 ****

[pharmboy]

There was an article about this on the BBC today , anybody ever try it ?

Ever heard of it ? Its new to me. Supposedly its like synth. THC.

[SeVeN]

Is it like Synthetic THC? Or is it a spice or something. Appearently its legal? I really couldn't find much if anything at all on it. Any links?

[nick]

Yeah,I've heard of it and until a lot more is known about it and I know the production process is not being done in a bath tub in China......I'll pass.

Hell,smoke a joint instead.

[pharmboy]

Ya I agree Nick. Try this Seven.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7887720.stm

Later

[oxy kid]

Looks pretty interesting. I wouldn't mind trying it out.

[Larry]

Isnt JWH018 one of the active ingredients in that spice stuff?

[nick]

Isnt JWH018 one of the active ingredients in that spice stuff?

Don't know about spice.It's sold as incense from China in England.

[Larry]

Don't know about spice.It's sold as incense from China in England.


Yuk, No Thanks.

Anyone who is interested in this stuff should take Nicks advice and stick clear of it until more is learned about it. I have personally heard mixed reviews about it, I would suggest sticking to regular ol marijuana over this shit.

[SeVeN]

When I was a bit younger I could see myself trying this at least once. But meh... Thanks for the link.

[jacky]

I tried the spice smoking blend apparently before they started adulterating their blends with synthetic cannabanoids trying to keep up with the other "spice alike" companies that were marketing similiar herbal smoking blends.

the spice blend was ok...but nothing spectacular.

I didnt try the blend later in the game when I believe they has started adulteration.

from what I understand the compounds are not traceable in a piss test. so mainly I think the interested people that would rather spend 50-60$ on a pack of legal herbs adulterated with cannabanoid research chems were those very worried about legal ramifications of smoking thc for one reason or another.

the pure compounds are avialable by some research companies.

from what I have heard, most synthetic cannabanoids, even though technically stronger in some pharmakinetic aspects, dont measure up to the effects of the different range of THC compounds.

the fact that these companies misled people, tried to gain favor by their so called discovery of a cannabis substitute blend of herbs...adulterated the herbs with research chems....makes me glad that their little game is over for the most part.

I have seen photos of JWH018 pure compound material. it looks like a red, waxy, hash like substance.

some of these cannabanoids are controlled substances already in this country...so if you do find a supplier...beware of what you are ordering.

if I was on parole or probation, I would probably be alot more interested.

the subject of synth/natural cannabanoids is really interesting, but from what I have read, no bioassays seem to reveal much potential for recreational users other than as a low grade replacment for cannabis.
some people compare some of them as being as interesting as thc....but I have never read a report in which the person thought that the compound was somehow an improvement on the known natural compounds.

one subject I am interested in....is the oleamide compound. made from reacting a component of olive oil with urea.
apparently oleamide is an endogenous, CB1 receptor agonist...a natural cannabanoid found in animals and possibly plants?
Dr Otto Snow writes about it in one of his newer books...called Tropococaine and THC.
he talks about this in his interview in the latest and last ENTHEOGEN REVIEW...
apparently...some researchers think that one of the spice blends might have contained amounts of oleamide.
I dont think oleamide is a controlled substance.
its similiar to our natural cannabanoid, anandamide.
fatty amides I think they call them, or maybe its amines.....ok, actually its fatty acid amines.

anandamide occurs in chocolate...your body would destroy this pretty much immediately upon digestion...
but from what I understand, it looks possible that an anandamide like analog, naturally in chocolate also, actually inhibits the bodys destruction of anandamide...or inhibits the elimination of anandamide from the body

oleamide and anandamide I think would be something more interesting to research...as they are endogneous compounds..and at least anandamide can be sourced probably in forms of at least raw chocolate nibs.

but you cant stick that in a pipe and smoke it.

I did a chocolate diet for a few months. I consumed at least 1-3 ounces of raw cocoa a night.
I noticed more stimulant and anti depressant like effect than anything. it was hard sometimes swallowing that much cocoa. I would mix with water, chill, and eat it on ice cream...or just straight shot it as fast as possible.

[devilsdrug]

jacky u never cease to amaze me

[Budman]

For those calling jwh-018 a low strength pot sub, you could not be more wrong. I have read varying numbers, but the lowest consistant number I have seen says jwh-018 is 5x as strong as thc.

Swim has been trying different smoking blends recently and is amazed. Swim used to be a heavy pot smoker and only smoked the best of buds. Once swim got married and had kids and lost his pot connections he only smoked when he was around it maybe once every 2 to 4 months.

Enter jwh-018. Swim wAs sceptical at first but did a lot of reading. It is still too new a chemical to know long term effects but studies have been done that show it us basically as harmless as pot.

Swim got 3 grams of Fire n Ice. His first time was on his lunch break at work ( stupid). Took a about 5 hits then thought it was wasted money. But boy did it creap. Swim was VERY high all of a sudden. Thankfully it was a Friday and the office was empty so he was able to avoid people for the rest of he day. The high lasted about 4 hours.

After further experimening with dosage swim determined one bat hit was all he needed. Suck it in and hold it for 10 seconds and you are baked.

He smoked two hits in a row and for about 15 minutes thing were really fucked up. It was like acid without visuals.

At the higher dosages paranoia tried to creep in but it was easy to keep that at bay. Music was great and munchies were present.

It is very similar to pot. A pot conosour would be able to tell the difference but a casual user would not.

For those who need to stay clean or don't have a pot connection his stuff is WELL worth it.

[Uncle Wiggly]

Doh! :rolleyes:

[KoDeInaaaae]

yea i had a topic about this about 2 weeks ago...Its whats in spice and all the diff brands.

[Paregoric Kid]

well I don't mind spice and spice-type products. they can't really just sell pure research chemicals in head shops and since its not being sold for human consumption they don't have to worry. the pure chemicals are way better. some of the JWH and CP compounds are really, really good when you smoke it with cannabis or just smoke it with feeder leaves (which contains a little THC but more importantly still contains good amounts of the other cannabinoids) it changes the experience and makes it feel more "natural". and you don't even have to smoke/vaporize them that is just an example. if you take a large dose of any of the JWH compounds you will be overwhelmed, it really can be strong stuff, the dose determines the strength. but by weight for example CP 55,940 is 45x stronger than THC, there are hundreds of JWH compounds some can be just half the potency of THC and I believe there are also some that are in the area of 400x stronger than THC.
I don't know if oleamide is active in smoking blends or not. I really, really want to try it. I am planning on doing some cocoa extractions. I am interested in taking anandamide and oleamide with acetaminophen (tylenol). the reason being tylenol is metabolized into AM404 an FAAH (Fatty Acid Amide Hydrolase) inhibitor which would potentiate and increase the levels and duration of effects of anandamide/oleamide, because AM404 will prevent FAAH enzymes from metabolizing them thus they can reach the brain in high enough levels to become active. the concept is similar to how MAOIs make DMT and yage/ayahuasca active or how taking an MAO B inhibitor makes phenethylamine (PEA) active.

[duck]

I've never understood the drive to find new chemicals that replicate the effects of THC...as soon as they're affirmatively found to be effective, they'll be illegalized... just smoke some chronic my bruvs! *reaches to grab his stash bag*

[Paregoric Kid]

well first of all being in possession of these new compounds is a lot different than being in possession of cannabis in most places, ie its not illegal. its also interesting to experience them because they all have slightly different effects. if you have to worry about piss tests then you really can't just use cannabis unless you get a whizzinator or do some other crazy shit to avoid detection. some of the stronger ones could be pretty interesting. also its easier to transport a small amount of powder compared to the amount you would be carrying of cannabis which is bulky and smelly and police dogs and police are trained to sniff it out but not the chemicals. I think they are fascinating and it gives more recreational and medical users choice. if people were just satisfied with what is already common things would get boring, there would only be opium no morphine, heroin, fentanyl, etc. they are also interesting to use as cannabis and opioid potentiators.
most of all research, discovery, and new experiences are fun.

[duck]

well first of all being in possession of these new compounds is a lot different than being in possession of cannabis in most places, ie its not illegal. its also interesting to experience them because they all have slightly different effects. if you have to worry about piss tests then you really can't just use cannabis unless you get a whizzinator or do some other crazy shit to avoid detection. some of the stronger ones could be pretty interesting. also its easier to transport a small amount of powder compared to the amount you would be carrying of cannabis which is bulky and smelly and police dogs and police are trained to sniff it out but not the chemicals. I think they are fascinating and it gives more recreational and medical users choice. if people were just satisfied with what is already common things would get boring, there would only be opium no morphine, heroin, fentanyl, etc. they are also interesting to use as cannabis and opioid potentiators.
most of all research, discovery, and new experiences are fun.

10-4 bruv. nicely put.

[doctor diesel]

TAKEN FROM EROWID:-

The same suspicions that we'd had about Spice led a number of organizations in various countries to do their own chemical testing. To date, a handful of synthetic chemicals have been identified in Spice-type products. In December 2008, the city of Frankfurt, Germany was the first to reveal definitive identification of a synthetic cannabinoid agonist in Spice products. They contracted with a specialized laboratory named THC Pharm to do an in-depth chemical analysis. THC Pharm found that Spice contained JWH-018, a cannabinoid agonist. In January 2009, U.S. Customs agents reported that seized Spice products contained HU-210, though theirs is the only lab to have found HU-210 and this finding has not yet been verified elsewhere.5 (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/spice_product/spice_product_article1.shtml#ref5)

In January 2009, the Journal of Mass Spectrometry published a letter by Auwärter, Dresen, et al. from the University of Freiburg that included mass spectrums (the "fingerprints") for several compounds found in Spice and related products. The authors identified the primary substance as an unnamed homolog of the cannabinoid agonist CP 47,497, with one more carbon atom on its "tail" than CP 47,497.6 (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/spice_product/spice_product_article1.shtml#ref6)

We were excited to find that the mass spectrums of the compounds that were identified in the Auwärter paper as the primary cannabinoid agonists in Spice, Spice Gold, and Spice Diamond, nearly exactly matched the results of our 2007 analysis. The CP 47,497 homolog was clearly the same chemical that our laboratory analysis had been unable to identify in the Spice we purchased and had analyzed some 20 months before Auwärter et al. purchased the Spice they analyzed.5 (http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/spice_product/spice_product_article1.shtml#ref5)

Some open questions remain: Might extremely low doses of HU-210 or other chemicals be present in products where they have not yet been found? What variations in combinations or levels are currently being sold? Are there other analytical issues preventing detection in some instances? What chemicals will be discovered in future products of this type?


dOC

[Citricburn]

Load of bollocks, this country fucks me right off, a drug thats banned in the Netherlands is still legal over here and they havent got the minerals to realise the positive impact legalising weed could have over here.....

[Budman]

Some open questions remain: Might extremely low doses of HU-210 or other chemicals be present in products where they have not yet been found?

I would not think you would find HU-210 in many if any of these products. HU-210 is illegal (in the US at least), but JWH-018 is not. It would be much easier for companies to sell their product if they are using things not banned here.

[Citricburn]

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anyone who wants to try this can get a sample for just postage rate....£5 roughly $10

[KoDeInaaaae]

I love the whole reasearch chemical movement it just stays just one step ahead of the laws and it feels the same or better then the chemicals they got it from so thank u reasearch chems

[Thanat0s]

havent been into the research chem scene since powdered dxm daze.........

id rather just smoke a bowl than try this stuff but my curiosity is piqued as to whats all on the scene now...

prepaid card here i come, oh boy...

[Citricburn]

that link was at ***************didnt show for some reason

[Paregoric Kid]

can you take it intranasally? any experiences that way or sublingually?

[30_Units]

No exp with either. Apparently I've got half a gram being delivered sometime today, but we'll see how that goes /grumble tracking system worthless

TBH, the way the stuff smelled-very much indoley-I wasn't too hot-to-trot sniffing it.

Orally it works GREAT, just like cannabis that doesn't need decarboxylation, just smash it into a cookie or something. But that's not SL, is it?

I'll letcha' know, pk. I'mma smoke a big meth-ball of it first-thing, but I'll letcha know.

Oh, and foil is NOT good for vaping 18. It get's VERY runny and you basically lose it on your fingers or off the end of the foil when it sliiiiides right off, like a bead of mercury.

You can make a bowl in the foil, if you insist, by shaping with something like the bottom of a coke can, and this keeps the bead around the heat.

But a meth-pipe works just fine. ;)