Another Dreaded kick

[webay]

im getting ready to try an kick again at this point if i cant get it right this time i dont think ill even get another oppertunity...anyway i've been IV'n anywhere from 1-5 bags a day the bags i get are only around.25 and i usually only do 1 or 2 for the last 2 weeks so i have tapered somewhat...last time i used was yesterday 2pm didnt wake up SICK but was not well i had a half a 2mg sub that i waited until almost 1pm to take wich stopped the oncoming gagging attacks and whatnot..i luckily have access to small amount of benzos im going to try an ride out tonight an can hopefully get at least 1 or 2 8mgs tomorow..so I am sick but that 1mg did alot more than i thought it would an i just scored #7 10mg valium along with some asprin an benadryl making it till tomorow will not be fun but ALOT more bareable as apposed to 100%CT ..anyway appologize for the ramble just needed to vent an get some advice for people for OTC help an whatnot for heroin kick i know immodium, an whatnot but anything else if i can get through the next 3-4 days I'll be ok physically then i gotta work on trying to put my life back to gether recently racked up about 5grand in debts..an owe court 1500 in june an got a PO thats just dying to send me back to jail...wich isnt an option i burnt all my bridges if i cant get out of this rut an fall back my next attempt could be a lethal dose again i appologize for rambling but advice would be appreciated

[pinn3d]

Good luck, sir....


Use that OTC shit, immodium ,benadryl (careful not too much).... Low doses of DXM help some people.....Exercise can help too, even though it would be ridiculously hard to do..... If you have access to a sauna/ steam room/ hot tub/ they can help relax you and sweat crap out of your body..... Drink lots of fluids...

Do you have to go to work? I hope not...

Again, good luck....

[norseman]

With regards to OTC help, you can try 5htp its a natural supplement that can help with depression and sleep. I found that it helps me.

All the best with it.

[webay]

No unfortunately i was laid off about 2 months ago wich is how i got into debt...on the other hand fortunate that i can kick at home..5htp where can i find this an does it really help with sleep because without subs i found theres NOTHING that can make me sleep ive taken 100mgs of valium an washed it down with nyquil before an didnt pass out for 5 minutes terrible.....took the 1mg i had today wit the valium an cannot sleep but do not have the heart racing wana jump out of my skin feeling wich is great but that will be back tomorow unless i score a sub...what are the effects of too much bennadryl just wondering i only take 2 pills before bed jw though

[Opiyum]

Liquid immodium (Loperimide) can help too just don't do too much for too long. If you can get to a doc to try and get some trazadone then that will do a much better job of helping you sleep than Nyquil will and whether valium helped you sleep or not some benzo's can help with the intense grief and despair which in my opinion is the worst part of withdrawal.

[webay]

yeah i always use the liquid immodium just cause usually wen i get it I NEED to take it an it kicks in so much quicker but ill only take it for 3 days or so an not that high of a dose...the benzos definitely help its been close to 24 hrs since i took the 1mg of sub an no throwing up yet (knocks wood) if i can get enough benzos to last me 2-3 more days i may not even worry about the sub because as easy as it makes the 3-4 days i feel even after such small use u gotta go through another 2-4 days of not feeling that well after so the quicker its over the better but we'll see

[Opiyum]

well good luck bud. hope it isnt too bad for ya.

[Moxiecrue]

I am currently at the end of a "self" detox/rehab situation myself right now and I feel for you for sure. What has worked for me is a lot of the same stuff as the above posters.
I tapered from my doc Norco which I have been taking on and off for 6 years. Started taking more benzo's (my Doc gives me a bunch), Immodium is awesome, hot tub baths, Ibuprofen, entertaining myself with stuff around the house, talking to my buddies (major help, very supportive), drink tea (no not that kind :rolleyes:).
I wish you well on this and know that you definitely will feel better very soon. Peace all!!!

[matfield]

dont know if you can get your hands on doxepine...it really helps me even at 50mg doses with sleep....even more than benzos do.
i'd be careful about dxm. maybe it helps some people but i had a horrible time once i took it while wd'ng. almost like a bad trip....dunno. so not good.

well good luck to you!! these days WILL go by too...eventuallly.

oh yes and immodium. it really helps

[StinkyPickle]

My few day stint with no pills last week had me trying a higher than recommended dose of Immodium. I was very skeptical, but it was a HUGE help. I want to get the liquid and break open a bunch of diphenhydramine and make some sort of WD elixir. I was thinking of adding some valerian and kava kava extracts as well, those have always treated me good in the past. A buddy of mine swears by valerian root, but when he gets the 1 oz extract bottles, he'll drink the whole damn thing. Good luck with your kick, and keep telling yourself it may suck now, but it definitely gets better. The physical part, anyway :o

[webay]

Thanks for the suggestions greatly appreciated since i got no one else to talk to about any of it..anyway workinon getting some sub..but i have no car an live in the sticks an turns out only way i can sub is through guy i get bags off an he wont drive up here for 1 or 2 subs says i gotta buy a bag......figures right ..i keep thinkin i only got 1 day so wat if i get a bag an start tomorow but i really needa do it this time

[webay]

Long story short...Told buddy id grab a bag an a sub if hed take a ride up an run me to the bank real quick ..so i go in the bank come out put on a great performance an tell em i only got 15 funds available..he actually kinda felt bad an sold me 1 and a half wich should be all i need to make the rest of this kick 90% painless only intend on taking the sub for about 4 days an jumping at 1-2 mg so the following 2 -3 days should be bareable im hoping,, does this sound like a good method?

[marshalldylan1]

My few day stint with no pills last week had me trying a higher than recommended dose of Immodium. I was very skeptical, but it was a HUGE help. I want to get the liquid and break open a bunch of diphenhydramine and make some sort of WD elixir. I was thinking of adding some valerian and kava kava extracts as well, those have always treated me good in the past. A buddy of mine swears by valerian root, but when he gets the 1 oz extract bottles, he'll drink the whole damn thing. Good luck with your kick, and keep telling yourself it may suck now, but it definitely gets better. The physical part, anyway :o

That sounds like a good idea. Immodium, diphenhydramine, some kratom, and some type of benzo, all made into one liquid. Take a shot and you'll have some major withdrawal relief. Hmmm i think I'm going to do that next time. What is kava kava and valerian good for when in W/D's. I've heard of it, but never really read about its effects, or how it helps wd's.

[webay]

Day 3-only sleeping about 3.5-5 hours so far a night wich i cant complain because i could be sleeping 3-5 minutes without the sub took 2 mg today to woke up around 9am waited until close to 2pm to take it t taking last 2mg tomorow and hav small piece around 1mg for day after hopefully after that it will just be a matter of letting my stomach an sleep mechanisms reset for a couple days and ill be good

[Uncle Wiggly]

Sounds like things are going well. Every time I hear, see or read the word "kick" it send shivers down my spine. Stay strong and remember - it does get better. Best of luck.

[webay]

Thanks wiggly .Like i said any advice support is greatly appreciated as a i have no one to talk to about it my family doesnt understand and all my real friends are clean and in school or at good jobs.(which is where i plan to be in a few weeks if this keeps going well).Took the last of my sub today about 2mg probaly closer to 1.Have felt fine all day appetite an whatnot also all ive used is the sub past few days no immodium or benzos. I intend on using that over the next 2-3 days since i will not have the sub.If things continue at this rate though I feel very confident that i can do this. Just praying the next few days off sub arent hell but i doubt it. I used a similar method a few months ago an it worked out well. I picked up though because i was laid off,home,bored,and very depressed.Again appologize for the ramble like i said its my only outlet :o

[Uncle Wiggly]

No need to apologize. One of the reasons I joined this community was for its close-knit support system. This is a place where folks who are going through exactly what you are can come and talk about it and get some positive reinforcement.

A few words of encouragement can go a long way. Please keep on posting about your progress. Best of luck and try to be strong - much easier said than done.

[Russellmeboy]

yeah bro, just thank the suboxone jesus for the wonderful pill that makes it simple and easy to detox at home alone with ease. i do it all the time now.because ive saved the pills from when i got a regular script *cough*. really need to stop but its just hard. like right now only got like 4mgs of sub on day 2 of a kick just took bout 50 mgs of seraquil and hope it makes me fall asleep. pray for all the kicking souls of the world. <3 yall - Ru$$

[webay]

yeah the sub is def a miracle drug..anyway day 5 first day with NO sub feeling alrite not much of an appetite but no nausea fell asleep around 5 am an slept till around 11-1130 wich was nice although im not sure how that will go tonight...SWIM got an "relatively close" benzo connect so nothings written in stone but he intends on getting some benzos tonight bar/s or 10mg valium....keeping his fingers crossed on that one..........---still kicking away:(

[webay]

Day6- (day 2 off sub) was up until about 4am slept till around 6 then from maybe 8-9..so i am catching SOME sleep.Did not score any benzos yesterday pretty pissed about that but am confident for tonight..as far as how i feel just run down very tired little back pain but other than that id say within the next 2 days as my sleep comes back im out of the woods..appreciate all the advice/support..oh yeah its day 6 and i still havent had the cherry bomb in the intestines thing going on havent even needed immodium..i dont know if im just somehow very lucky with that aspect this time or if its just gonna creep up late anyone else have that creep up on you daysss into a kick?

[Uncle Wiggly]

It's good to hear you're doing reasonable well. In my opinion, any kick without projectile vomiting and lava shits is somewhat tolerable. I'm glad you're holding your own. Hopefully you'll start to feel a bit more human as the days pass and you're able to cop some decent sleep.
Best wishes.

[webay]

Scored 2..name brand bars tonight around 11 just took em already feeling much better minus the backpain obviously I was shoting for 60-70mg of valium but i can get that tomorow and suprisingly the 2 bars got me feeling NICE even if i dont sleep much at all ill be in a relaxed sedated mindstate all night..hopefully stock up on a few muscle relaxers and some valium/bars to ride out for following 2 days wich is wen i intedn to be 99% out of the woods...anyway kinda beaned just a little update

[webay]

Day 7-WTF? for some reason today was one of the hardest days alot of anxiety an a bad few hours of nausea no throwing up thank god..As gross as this sounds i really think the nausea was from my BO i showered yesterday an have done nothing but lay in bed..get up to muscle down any food drink i could..but for some reason the BO is strong enough to kill a small animal no exaggeration..is that all the junk coming out in that form? i sure hope so..anyway after a much needed shower little food an the 50mg valium i just ate feeling better also after the 2 bars last night slept about 5-6 hours wich was great until i woke up an felt very sick...I think its probaly because its the third day off sub hopefully its over since the worst symptoms already hav passed..anyway bored as fuk...but i can see the light!!

[oldschool?]

GOOD LUCK man! It sound's like your on the right track. Re -the question about Valerian. Valerian root is basically a herbal vallium. Supposedly the chemical structure is very similar, regardles a strong cup of valerian tea with knock you out like a benzo. I take 2 - 4 benadryl some nights if i can't sleep cause of missing a methadone dose or somthing. And regarding the DXM mention I leaned from somone on this site about 70mg's will potentiate the effect of another opiate...like maybe the immodium in your case...hang in there!! And don't stress if you cant score benzo's just hit the phramacy or heathfood store and score pure valerian tea or they'll often have it in a sleepy time blend along with passion flower (and MAO inhibitor) and or maybe chamomile (another natural sedative) and maybe hops (a mild opiate i believe).:rolleyes:

oh yea and MASSIVE PROPS for only getting the Sub's off of your connection. A "noble lie" if I ever heard of one. If i was in your shoes I highly doubt I could have not grabbed the bag too when it was there. I think this shows that you really are ready to kick!!

[webay]

thanks for advice old school-however as far as supplements an stuff go i dont have acces to em since im 23 an apparently a bum because i still live at home an am unemployed..so I have 5$ to my name wich im saving to try an get a joint or something sometime soon...also in reference to the not copping a bag it was HARD but in order to cop my rents were very up my ass everyime i left teh house while using serious interogation mom dukes actually took connects number off caller ID an called few minutes after i left few times before pretty fukin embarassing and freaked em out....anyway I had cash on me didnt need to go the bank just looked better than driving halfway up the street.. left extra that i could use to cop at home so there woulda been no way i could have gone bak in an out if i said fuk it ....just some funny facts....anyway luckily since im broke i got access to 10mg valium an few bars here an there for free wich i dont want to take after the next day or 2..but after i got em an was sitting down about to swallow em i seen that glowing orange cap stickin out from under my hiding spot an the thought actually went through my mind to try an boot one of em ..then 10 seconds later i almost burst out laughing at the thought an down the hatch they went.just wish i waited few more hours to take em cuz its now 4 am an nowhere near sleep tired as fuk though..another ramble session i know but like i said its 4 am and im tired an BORED as hell so thats my .02

[Poppylvr]

webay, it sounds like you're making it through. Remeber subs have a LONG half life (36 hours) which means it take several days of no subs before it's all off your receptors.
May you continue strong; if you get the chance ask your Mom to buy some Valerian - cause they sell it in the grocery store health food section. You can tell her it is supposed to help with your sleeplessness AND it's a natural herb!
Good luck!

[webay]

yeah good looks..although since i have actual valium i dont think the valerian is necesary...feel a little better today no nausea like yesterday..but got NO sleep wich is weird cuz i slept about 4-5 hours night before must of been the 2 bars..anyway feel like i got hit by a truck i think if i can just get my god damn sleep back ill be good....good friend of mine also called outta the blue today askin "can u get a bag around 5 ill give u a hit" dont think so..then he asked if i could get em sub but i told em id just be backtracking if i took it right now..may god bless me with some much needed sleep tonight

[webay]

Day 10- No sleep again last night HORRIBLE id be okay with an hour or 2 but none for the last 2 nights an verrry little before ...so i was almost hallucinating this morning ...but after i got up after 7 hours of trying to fall asleep i did feel ok...Still dealing with the loose BM's but its not that bad an getting better..i just hope i can get some sleep last time i slept was 3 nights ago an it was after 2 bars ..so i got 2 more tonight an 30mg valium hoping thas gotta do the trick ....also ive had BO during WD"s but this time its actually making me nauseous absolutely horrendous is that actual toxin coming out via sweat?? i hope so cuz thats gota mean this cant last much longer at all cuz theres ALOTTT of toxin coming out ......sleep??:confused:

[Uncle Wiggly]

Hey Webay, Did you get any sleep last night/this morning? I hope things aren't getting any worse for you. They may stay in a holding-pattern for a few days but, judging from your description, it could be a lot worse.

The BO thing is the pits. (Punny - eh?) I had posted in another thread about bathing that if I don't take a shower at least once-a-day during a kick that I'll hurl from catching a whiff of myself. :vomit:

Try to hang-tough and keep telling yourself that it DOES get better. Patience is the key. Stay cool and take care.

[webay]

NOPE no sleep at all .......however my benzo connect seen me stumbling around this morning around 10AM and was like whats wrong...i told em hadnt slept in 3 days an felt like i was hit by a truck or ona bad trip...so i got 2 bars thank god..let em kick in an passed out for about 2 hours which was very much needed but was still very tired...ffwd made myself dinner around 730..made good pasta dish which is the largest meal ive consumed since the kick started....then fell asleep during an episode of the sopranos for about another 2 hours did wake up sweating but think its cuz i was wearing 3 shirts...so thats my progress i think the on an off few hrs sleep today means it is finally starting to creep back ever slowly wich im fine with as long as its begun just cant deal wit NO sleep anymore

[webay]

So tomorow will be 3 weeks clean... first time in 5 years ill be more than 8 days clean from all opiates..im actually starting to feel human again ..i just got my sleep back 2 nights ago didnt think it would of ben that long i was losing hope it would ever come bak..other than random sneezing attacks im 100% physically..I snowmobild 160 miles saturday ..my first time 1 of the funnest things ive ever done...although woke up next day whole body so sore i could literally barely move a little better today..after coming off opiates always seems the smallest pain is amplified x100 but i didnt even consider coppin...im still takin the benzos but only every few days and now that im sleeping i have no desire for them ...i have picked up the pot an have drank 3-4 times over the last 2 weeks wich i dont think is bad i used to be a hugee pothead an am not worried about becoming 1 again if it means no opiates..and as far as drinking never had any problem with it as far as bein addicted physically/ mentally but i know i do need to really keep an eye on it..anyway just figured id throw some info on my kick/sobriety level...because i know when i was down an thought i could never see a day like today or yesterday and i was lurking on here an JL an i read stories of sobering up it did give me hope..i know im young and gonna have to fight this for the rest of my life but the 1 day at a time theory makes it seem very possible...also since the depression part lifted about a week ago i really havent had many cravings at all im hoping it continues to next to none..anyway hate to flame it up but im sober an bored

[tch2296]

Holy shit man, you did fuckin' good. That takes some god damn willpower I just read through this whole thread, it made my day to see you got so fuckin' far!

Keep that shit up bro

[barbiegal]

Awesome job! I just read your whole thread and must admit I'm impressed. Kepp going and your life will come back better ten-fold. :music1: woo-hoo cel-e-brate good times !!!!

[Russellmeboy]

just gave me some strenght, it seems ive been constantly detoxing, i just lost the last 4 mgs of sub i had on a day 2...ugh, why do i do this to myself...it seems that the ball keeps rolling for so long and then all of a sudden NOTHING no action, no money, no nothing for like ONLY 3 days then after that third day Swim will need a bundle or whatever, oy....someone instant message me, i need some love. - Russell

OMg i just saw that i posted on 2/14 the same shit, nice run...lol, wow..made it on like nothing too....

[webay]

Thanks for the support guys.....russellmeboy know how you feel man thats pretty much how i was feelin right before i threw in the towel my tax money ran out an i got to a point where i couldnt stay where i live if i continued using....I just started a new job friday which is a godsend in this economy..and i intend on saving at least half of what i put into my habbit a week ..after i buy back the few things i had to pawn before i quit only couple hundred worth