Oxycontin (other opiate bases) and euphoria killers

[ssjTiamat]

Hey guys. Let me first say that although I have spent some time on other boards that could be considered similar to this one in discussion topics. No other site will ever be able to compare to the content and people that inhabit these forums. And although I came in with a decent and above average knowledge of my meds, other RX opiates and other drugs.... I am learning a great deal here from the other members. And this knowledge has and will go a long way to saving me money, saving me from withdrawls, and enhancing my pain killing experience. So although thank you is not a strong enough sentiment in my opinion, that is all I can say, and the best way to say how I feel. so THANK YOU! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

OK.. on with the point of this new thread.

Has anyone ever noticed the effects that certain mental and physical ailments have on Oxycontin? What do I mean? Well.. this: I know these meds produce a euphoric effect and I guess some anti-euphoric feelings can maybe fight that effect, but If I am ever in a bad mood, and I take my meds (40mg OC) the pill does not work at all. Not only will the euphoric feeling never kick in, but it does not work on my pain at all! There are times when like 5 or 10 minutes before I am going to take my pill that one of my kids will do something taht causes me to get angry and yell. Like my middle kid, my 6 yr. old son will attack and hit my oldest, my 8 yr. old daughter. So he smacks her good and all because she purposely took away one of his Clone Troopers in the middle of what he is playing. Of course the parent in me kicks in and I yell at my daughter to leave my son alone. As this goes on, she decides to talk back and get sassy. Now thru this all I get very angry and all of a sudden I get in a bad mood. Now I go and take my pill like 5 minutes later. And when it is due to start kicking in, about 30-40 minutes after ingestion - NOTHING! And I get nothing for the next 6 hours. It is like I didnt even take the damn pill. Why is that?

This seems to happen almost every single time I get mad before I take my meds. So needless to say I do my damdest to ensure I stay happy-happy before dropping my dose. Anyone esle experience this?

Also... if I ever have a measly little cold my OC does not have any effect. I mean... It will keep me from going into W/D which I would get if I did not take them for a day while I was inflicted with the cold. But even if the cold I have is not that bad... I get nothing out of my meds. Not even pain relief.. the whole time while I have a cold my back is just fucking killing me! And this happens both with cold or allergy meds or without. What about this... this happen to anyone esle either?

I appreciate any experiences you can share that may be similar or maybe a solution to the problem. Thanks ever so much yet again!

ssj

[Opiyum]

I have definately noticed what your talking about. I've thought about this subject before and one thing I've noticed is that these negative effects only occured in me during the second half of a three year, daily use, stretch.
Other than when I just recently tore my AC in my shoulder it has been about two years since I used an opiate every day for more than a week in a row. I haven't had that extreme irratation with everything around me feeling, while high, in this two year chipping period.

This is what leads me to believe that this specific side effect only occurs after long periods of daily use.

I've always found this intersting because it shows that even with a steady supply of dope, enough that you dont have to worry about being sick for months, doesn't necessarily mean the "User" is in a state of perpetual bliss all the time. We aren't emotionally dead. We feel and are just as compassionate as a sober person. We still have problems to deal with like anyone else and contrary to the beliesfs of those who are against the use of drugs; opiates aren't always the escape from and/or quick fix to every burden man encounters in life. There is no easy way to get from cradle to grave. Not even with that fantastical field of poppies we sometimes dream of living in.

I've never had long term opiates prescribed for any physical ailments so I cant say that they didn't retain their pain killing properties, I can say that when I should have been high and I was having a bad day at work or fighting with a girlfriend my buzz was definately lacking. Euphoria not.

This is in complete contradiction with a paragraph above but as far as the flu goes opiates always took away every symptom of even the worst flu. That goes for Mono that I had this summer. I got it in a bad way; I was hospitalized for two days. The two months afterwards I had ZERO energy. Under doctors orders I was not to work or do... anything really, but as they say "The show must go on" and I was a drummer so when we had practice or a show I would use whatever opiate I could find and it made me forget I even had mono. 100% normal. I was tempted to use alot more often when I had Mono but figured my body needed the rest and that even though it made me feel better it was bad for me at the time.

One thing I've found that opiates have never been able to cure in any way shape or form is a headache. Be it mild or migraine, and I get lots of migrains.

Sorry I went into my life story there but I like this topic.

Good thread SS.

[Kallie]

SS, I too have little ones, 7 and 4. At times, especially when typical childhood "learning by testing their parent's limits" episodes, I too have felt very little to no effect, as in aid from the meds. Except exacerbated fatigue... which I guess is worse (than just "normal" cranky parents) b/c of the opiates depressing effects, ie. sleepiness, lethargy, etc. But other times, if the day is going well, as most have lately... we have a lot of fun... go to the museum, dinner downtown at an outdoor cafe as the twilight's setting in, watching a street performing percussion group and belly dancers, and then pedi-cab ride (think rickshaw w/a bike) back to the parking deck. Really, the girls and I had a blast. Hubby joined us after work (then got crabby with kids' hyper-excitement and he was hungry, so I told him, politely, to just to go back home), and so the 3 of us just had a ball "exploring." Since I'm on mine (Avinza 240mg) daily for like 2 yrs, it doesn't affect my driving, etc. And usually elevates my mood, but ocassionally, I just want to lock myself in a closet and hide.... Make sense?

Hope you feel better, SS. And Opi, yeah the headaches, it NEVER kills them for me. But thankfully, those are few and far between, in my case.

And hope it was ok to post here, tho mine's M, but it's more about the buzz-kill I thought..... sorry if I'm wrong.

[ssjTiamat]

Karen dont worry about the type of med your on being in the wrong forum. The forum heading is a guideline for starting and maintaining a discussion only. Your fine.


Thanks for the input guys. Yea Karen.. that does make sense. Both of your scenarios do. So then Im not crazy.. those things DO have an effect on how well the meds work. Man.. just goes to prove yet again that our minds are way more powerful than we give them credit for eh?

Thanks!

[Coddfish]

This thread reminded me of something I used to go through several years ago when I first started methadone. I noticed that sometimes my dose rocked me, and sometimes almost nothing. I started coming directly home from the clinic, getting comfortable in bed under a bunch of covers (it was winter) and just waiting. If something f'd up happened at the clinic (bastard counselors!), you could bet I wouldn't feel a thing. Basically, the more comfortable i was physically and mentally, the more effective my stuff was. I think that's why some people in pain can take their pain medication and not get high, just relieved. Mind you, I couldn't do that, because I always took more. For 10 years. But it makes sense. Glad to know it happens to other people. And f'n headaches. If anything, the dope used to make mine worse.

[ssjTiamat]

Well... yea.. and I just thought of something. Regarding the power of the human brain. I'm sure you have all heard of the brain being able to control the actual release of dopamine and other things into teh system without any physical stimulation or assistance. Meaning by just thinking about it (very hard of course, lol) people have been able to control pain, heal wounds etc..

Now to a certain extent some of the things that you might think of as examples of this may be just crazy. For example making a wound heal faster than normal... like way faster. A cut that would normally require 5 stitches healing on its own in 3 days. Or on the lighter side, people being able to have mental illness cured without conselling, medical treatment or drugs.

What I was just thinking was this. I mentioned the stuff above just as an example to help you guys understand the path I was taking with this. But here it is. If you think about it, what does anyone search for when using opiates to get high (not to control pain)? Euphoria. So by attempting to reach this state of mind, people ingest opiates in many ways into their system. Well... I guess it would stand to reason that if your in a real shitty mood that reaching that state of mind of complete happiness would be a bit more difficult. Right? Well of course. I dunno.. the thought just crossed my mind as I was looking thru the responses to the thread.

But in thinking about it more.. we take these meds because we alredy cannot get to that point of happiness on our own. Otherwise we would not need the great O. But then again, it is just a matter of being able to control more of our brains-like going beyond the standard 10% usage limitation. Or maybe it is like how some people can control their dreams and other cannot. Just being able to be "in touch" with deeper aspects of our mental capacity.

OK.. now this is getting way too deep for me. :cool:

Well, either way. I still hate when it happens and I do my best to be in a good mood. Like earlier today. I was about 1 hour into my dose of 40mg OC and feeling just peachy. Everything was good. Then I got into a phone argument with my father over some stupid shit. And the argument got pretty heated. We were both yelling at one another. Needless to say, when I finally got off the phone.. The pain in my back came back (and I had a bad pain day, it was real bad today due to heavy activity over the weekend) and I lost any semblance of euphoria that I had prior to answering the phone. So I know it happens at least to me. Like I said,.. I just do my best to avoid anything really pissing me off while my meds are working in my system.

OK. I'm done babblin' -- for now anyhow. :)

ssj