took my bup, did an 80, and...

[Stonnewolf]

well today is my second day on suboxone, i took both my 8mg subs this morning and i just did a shot of an 80.. well can i take another sub or will have to wait for the dope i shot to clear my system??

thanks for the help, and if this has already been posted then just delete and tell me how dumb i am;)

[runormal]

Did you feel the 80? 16mg of bupe is a lot!!!

[frankie]

you should never say that you are dumb for wanting some information, Afterall that is why we are all here and yea i would say that you got to have a tough skin and never take anything negative personal. Anyway, from what i understand you have to wait until the bupe is out of your system before you shoot up. I think its a twenty four hour wait. There are alot of people here with great knowledge on this subject so i am sure you will get alot of responses in the positive note...but like i said you do have to wait a certain amount of time before shooting up...

[ryan]

No way you felt that 80.
Should have just given it to me instead of wasting it :D

You don't have to wait to take another sub. The oxy never made it to your receptors. The bupe blocked it almost certainly. If you didn't feel the 80 at all, then you should just be able to take another sub no problem. Now, if you were on just oxy, then I would say to wait until you're in withdrawals -- but since the bupe blocked the oxy, there's nothing to knock off the receptors.

BTW -- 16mg a day is alot of bupe. You should really consider reading the bupe guide here and start thinking about a lower dose.

[Stonnewolf]

Did you feel the 80? 16mg of bupe is a lot!!!

incredibly i did.

you should never say that you are dumb for wanting some information, Afterall that is why we are all here and yea i would say that you got to have a tough skin and never take anything negative personal. Anyway, from what i understand you have to wait until the bupe is out of your system before you shoot up. I think its a twenty four hour wait. There are alot of people here with great knowledge on this subject so i am sure you will get alot of responses in the positive note...but like i said you do have to wait a certain amount of time before shooting up...

Thanks! People like you is why i love this site!

-- But what im trying to say is, since i took bup this morning, and did a shot, will i be able to take bup again today without it throwing me into horrible w/d?

[anykind]

well today is my second day on suboxone, i took both my 8mg subs this morning and i just did a shot of an 80.. well can i take another sub or will have to wait for the dope i shot to clear my system??

thanks for the help, and if this has already been posted then just delete and tell me how dumb i am;)
wow that is alot of good stuff going to waste!

[Stonnewolf]

wow that is alot of good stuff going to waste!

I Swear i felt it.. i just got on subs yesterday.

[dharma bum]

Well since he had only his second day on subs his plasma levels weren't way up there. So maybe he did feel the 80 but I'm sure it had some diminished effects.

You should be fine taken another suboxone but I have to agree with the others here. Try 4 mg os sub and see that it won't feel that much different than taking 16. Do a search here for 'suboxone dose'. To me, it's a waste of pills you might need later, to go above 4-6 mg's. I know this goes against everything you've been taught as a drug user but it's true: Less is More...and you can keep your tolerance lower if you do decide to do an 80 or whatever,

[Opiyum]

I dont know why everyone has such a hard time believing that he felt the effect of the 80. This kind of shit isnt cut and dry. If he just got on bupe it stands to reason he got high at least somewhat.

[Stonnewolf]

Well since he had only his second day on subs his plasma levels weren't way up there. So maybe he did feel the 80 but I'm sure it had some diminished effects.

You should be fine taken another suboxone but I have to agree with the others here. Try 4 mg os sub and see that it won't feel that much different than taking 16. Do a search here for 'suboxone dose'. To me, it's a waste of pills you might need later, to go above 4-6 mg's. I know this goes against everything you've been taught as a drug user but it's true: Less is More...and you can keep your tolerance lower if you do decide to do an 80 or whatever,

so your saying i could get by doing one suboxone 8mg a day, instead of the 2 a day im prescribe? Should i take the whole 8mg at once? Or spread it out, say half in morning, half in evening? Will 1x 8mg sub took in the morning last me all the way till the next morning?

how is ''less is more''?

[StinkyPickle]

so your saying i could get by doing one suboxone 8mg a day, instead of the 2 a day im prescribe? Should i take the whole 8mg at once? Or spread it out, say half in morning, half in evening? Will 1x 8mg sub took in the morning last me all the way till the next morning?

how is ''less is more''?

You are the only one that can really answer those questions. It's your body. Another person can share how they dose, and what makes them feel Ok, good, great, horrible, but it's not the way the next person is going to react to the same thing. My advice would be to break one into fourths, giving you 4 2mg doses per sub. Take 2mg in the morning, give it some time to see how you feel. If you feel good, wait it out and see how long before you feel you should take another. If 2mg doesn't work out for you, take 4mg and wait it out. Bupe is some heavy duty shit. I can (and have) make 8mg last a week. It all comes down to trial and error on your part. Don't get impatient or discouraged, there is no quick solution to anything, especially when it comes to opiates.

[ka11ink]

If you felt the 80 a little bit that means you still had some receptors open that weren't blocked by the suboxone so you do have some oxi that is bound to ur receptors. If u didnt feel it at all I would say u could go ahead and take the sub but seeing as how u did, I'd wait 8 hours or so at least to avoid ripping the oxi off those receptors.

[Ludakris]

my question is...unless you are going into WD's, why do you want to take the other Sub?

After everything you've taken, there is no point to taking another 8mg of Sub. My advice is wait until you HAVE to take the sub, at this point there will be no recreational value to it...and if you took 16mg of subs, then 80-160mg of oxy, then no, taking subs shouldn't give you precipitated withdrawal

[Suboxstitute]

my question is...unless you are going into WD's, why do you want to take the other Sub?

After everything you've taken, there is no point to taking another 8mg of Sub. My advice is wait until you HAVE to take the sub, at this point there will be no recreational value to it...and if you took 16mg of subs, then 80-160mg of oxy, then no, taking subs shouldn't give you precipitated withdrawal

I am confused.

I had EXACTLY the same question as Ludakris - why take the other sub? Subs are primarily used to stop w/ds - if you did an 80, I doubt you are having w/d symptoms yet.

And BE CAREFUL. It takes roughly a week for the subs to build up in your system, so if you do this LATER after you have been on subs for a while and take a sub BEFORE you are in withdrawal (while you still have short-acting opiates in your system) you will likely go into precipitated w/ds which are beyond uncomfortable.

What is your primary purpose in taking subs? Are you trying to get off your D.O.C.??

Going back and forth, after a while, does not work as well - the oxys or whatever won't get you as high, since the bupe sticks around in your opiate receptors for a LONG TIME.....those sneaky little things... and the subs won't work as well in getting you WELL as fast as they normally would.

not being critical

just really and genuinely serious. When I went on bupe about a year ago it was with the intent to stop doing other drugs, and bupe (and willpower) has done that for me, my choice, not everyone's (no should it be)

... since I can't feel SHIT even if I wait a few days off bupe, even if I am sick. (That may be unique to me, or just that I'm not doing strong enough shit). That ieffect s actually good for me, since it keeps me from re-considering and having the time to check my original motives.

[Stonnewolf]

I meant could I????? Not that i am.. And yes i did the 80 because im a junkie and i crave.. and a RX :P

[Raisin]

Do youself a favor and read up on bupe. I was shooting 150 mgs of morphine per shot and when I quit I could get by on 4mg of bupe a day. It's a lot stronger than most people realize and I guarantee that collectively the people on here know more about it than your doctor.

Bupe is a bitch to get off of and you're never going to get high off of it if you've had any substantial habit. Do some research and save yourself some headaches. Oh and if you're taking it sublingually(under the tongue) it goes a lot further if you insufflate(snort) it.

[blutuesday]

Well since he had only his second day on subs his plasma levels weren't way up there. So maybe he did feel the 80 but I'm sure it had some diminished effects.

You should be fine taken another suboxone but I have to agree with the others here. Try 4 mg os sub and see that it won't feel that much different than taking 16. Do a search here for 'suboxone dose'. To me, it's a waste of pills you might need later, to go above 4-6 mg's. I know this goes against everything you've been taught as a drug user but it's true: Less is More...and you can keep your tolerance lower if you do decide to do an 80 or whatever,

Perfectly said..on all accounts

I dont know why everyone has such a hard time believing that he felt the effect of the 80. This kind of shit isnt cut and dry. If he just got on bupe it stands to reason he got high at least somewhat.


My thoughts EXACTLY. I can actually be on subs for a few days before I start to have a blocking dose.


my question is...unless you are going into WD's, why do you want to take the other Sub?

After everything you've taken, there is no point to taking another 8mg of Sub. My advice is wait until you HAVE to take the sub, at this point there will be no recreational value to it...and if you took 16mg of subs, then 80-160mg of oxy, then no, taking subs shouldn't give you precipitated withdrawal

Right...it isnt like subs get ppl high.

[Papa Verine]

I've never taken bupe regularly. But the times I did take bupe... I was able to use normal amounts of my DOC and get just as high as ever. I hate reading people spreading mis-information. Buperenorphine works so differently for everybody there's no "cut-and-dry" how long you have to wait to get high again from a full on agonist.

My experience...

I took 8mg of suboxone at 9am one day to ward off withdrawals. It worked... then, later in the day (about 6 hours later) I got some H and did one bag. I got high off that one bag. It actually felt stronger then usual, not "blocked" by the suboxone I took earlier in the day.

I'm sure it's different for people who've been on subs every day for long periods of time, but for me, a very occasional sub user, I don't get any blocking effect at all when I use it.

[Indy]

I've never taken bupe regularly. But the times I did take bupe... I was able to use normal amounts of my DOC and get just as high as ever. I hate reading people spreading mis-information. Buperenorphine works so differently for everybody there's no "cut-and-dry" how long you have to wait to get high again from a full on agonist.

My experience...

I took 8mg of suboxone at 9am one day to ward off withdrawals. It worked... then, later in the day (about 6 hours later) I got some H and did one bag. I got high off that one bag. It actually felt stronger then usual, not "blocked" by the suboxone I took earlier in the day.

I'm sure it's different for people who've been on subs every day for long periods of time, but for me, a very occasional sub user, I don't get any blocking effect at all when I use it.

Probably cause your brain is wired to eat up all the opioids it can, and has a trillion receptors, heh.

But yeah, i've heard from most people that blocking with bupe REALLY only starts around 4 mgs, before that it's just a little less potent, or even potentiated.