Hey Bi11i FLAME FORUM?

[Cornburglar]

Any possibility of giving the hotheads a place to sizzle each other and any hapless victims that may wander across their path? I think it's getting a little bitchy in the regular forums and quite frankly, if I were a newer member who got reamed for asking a simple question, I'd hit the road feeling rejected by my supposed peers in the opie world. Jest checkin.

[Somni Divine]

AMEN! I posted about this myself in the other topics forum or something like that. It is REALLY getting bad.

[Cornburglar]

AMEN! I posted about this myself in the other topics forum or something like that. It is REALLY getting bad.

Yep, I read and responded to those because I think it's just getting a little too mean around here. :mad:

[Cornburglar]

I gotta tell you also, I used to be involved with some flame newsgroups when I was a WebTV user. Do a search of my username on google and some of my old posts should pop up. Point being, flaming is somewhat of an artform if done well and it has it's place in using the internet for entertainment. However, merely suggesting that a poster go fuck him/herself for asking a simple question is just plain ugly.

[Opiyum]

I gotta say that I support this "flaming" you speak of when used properly. I think I reserve the right speak up on this having recently gone through the hazing process. It weeds out those that really want to be here from the ones who don't.
I for example wanted to be here and to do so I had to wise up to a few things that's all.
Who wants to answer the same question over and over anyway. If a student asks teacher a question everyday that was on the homework the night before that the student didnt do the teacher will undoubtably get mad.
For me it's like being thirteen years old again in the dishroom of a busy restaraunt kitchen.
And so it goes some people deal with ball-busting properly, some poorly and some choose not at all.
You guys are great though, and your concerns and ideas are legitamate but I feel I have to balance the equation out. Speak for the good side.

Just so you know I was refering the thread that somni, as stated above, posted. In addition to this thread.

[Somni Divine]

When it is "used of properly", Opiyum, it is called constructive criticism. This goes above and beyond that. Properly is an intellectual exchange of ideas that may not agree, or come from the same perspective. I agree in those cases it is fine, and even helpful.
But when some punk writes "why don't you check google dumbass?" Or "what kind of junky are you if you don't know how to shoot up" or just some of the dumb, deragatory, harassing and inflamatory remarks - and a game is being played by a few punks to see who can make the rudest remark first, that is what Cornburgular and I a referring to. Belittling and demeaning others will never help them or make them smarter. There is a tactful way to go about it, and a rude way, and I have NEVER seen so much rudeness and downright cruelty onslaught against other members, to the point of verbal abuse which IMHO is NEVER constructive. I believe it is that that we are talking about in my post "The New Crude Attitude' and in Cornburglar's posts. I understand what you are saying, which is that you take criticism well, and can make a positive out of even the most hateful comment. That is admirable, but I don't think most people are built that way, and I sure wouldn't want to be a new member right now with this game going on of which person can say the cruelest thing that a few are playing in every forum. I hope you understand what I mean here, in fact, this is the kind of civil disagreement I am talking about, I think!

[jab]

Why don't the Admins use some of their power and delete these rude posts? That's what they are for. Maybe there aren't enough mods for all the new traffic? I just think the solution is in the moderators hands. I'm on a lot of boards, and they all have these issues, but the mods keep it under control (deleting rud posts, banning unruly members, etc).

Just some thoughts. Good luck!

[reddragon3668]

I agree; I think being abrupt with someone that is asking a simple question is not necessary. And it is not always new people who get dumped on. I have seen people who have been here a long time get dumped on for asking a question or saying something that another feels is stupid.

Anyways, there is some validity to the whole "same question" issue. There certainly seems to be an unwritten code of etiquette in forum culture; that is, use the board search before asking a question. Most of these monotonous questions have been asked and answered over and over again. If a person would spend a fraction of the time it takes to create a new thread by searching for answers on the board, they would likely find the answer more quickly.

I have not read many of the "sticky threads" yet. But if it has not been tried, perhaps one could be posted for the attention of all new users, pointing them to the search utility and maybe give them some instruction of how to use it. I don't know if this would help, but I doubt it would hurt. If it is already done, just disregard. I am an idiot. :P

A flame forum is a great idea too. It would give people a good place to blow off some steam, and would be hilarious to boot! I don't think it would stop the flames that originate out of frustration. Those are more reactionary, IMHO.

[HistoryofMadness]

See this is why I don't like the idea. Now we have people telling us what questions are ok to bash on and how intellectual we're supposed to be while we're criticizing people. And we expect mods to hang around and make judgement calls.

Use the rep/points system. That's what its for, and that's how mods have established this place as a community. We make the decisions as a group.

I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for my response to this and other comments I've made on other threads. But what I'm doing is not ball-busting. I'm trying to be intellectual and say there is a process established to lodge your grievances with people.

-H

[malefiacrum]

I honestly don't think anyone has gone out of their way to be an asshole here. I think it all goes back to poeple learning how to properly use these sites. When I first came and asked some repetitive questions that I really should have searched out, I was put in my place, and Lo adn Behold I don't do it anymore...

[Chicklet]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to make poppy tea? (yuk-yuk);)

[shaunclo]

I honestly don't think anyone has gone out of their way to be an asshole here. I think it all goes back to poeple learning how to properly use these sites. When I first came and asked some repetitive questions that I really should have searched out, I was put in my place, and Lo adn Behold I don't do it anymore...

Greatly worded Malefiacrum, I agree with exactly what you said.


See this is why I don't like the idea. Now we have people telling us what questions are ok to bash on and how intellectual we're supposed to be while we're criticizing people. And we expect mods to hang around and make judgement calls.

Use the rep/points system. That's what its for, and that's how mods have established this place as a community. We make the decisions as a group.

I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for my response to this and other comments I've made on other threads. But what I'm doing is not ball-busting. I'm trying to be intellectual and say there is a process established to lodge your grievances with people.

-H


I also agree with what history said also, I mean this is an open forum and if you feel like someone is being an assholio, then you must use the points system. Thats all there is to it. Writing a post like this Somni is only going to give the ballbusters more fuel to burn with. Bottom line is, there is nothing you can say or do to make someone stop writing what they wanna write. Thats what makes these forums so goddamn cool and full of humor. To be honest with you, if someone cant take a joke and they take it so serioulsy to where they never come back, well then GOOD!!! I dont want tight assed fucks here any more than anybody else does. I like sick humor and I havnt seen anything written where I would think it is going over the line. Maybe I havnt gotten to a couple of the posts that you are referring to. I am very interested in exactly what you are talkign about, if you could please list a couple of posts where you think people have gotten outta line please list them. I am very serious, if you feel like someone is just being cruel for their own sick purposes than please report that as a bad post, this is the button that you would want to use - http://forum.opiophile.org/images/gnome/buttons/report.gif (http://forum.opiophile.org/report.php?p=19681).

I want everyone to be able to use this forum as they see fit, please dont feel like you cant take away points from someone just because you want to be the nice guy. If you see a post where you think it needs to be read by a moderator than use the report a bad post button http://forum.opiophile.org/images/gnome/buttons/report.gif (http://forum.opiophile.org/report.php?p=19681), if you want to give or take away points from someone than use this button http://forum.opiophile.org/images/gnome/buttons/reputation.gif (http://forum.opiophile.org/reputation.php?p=19681) . I am still very curious as to what posts you are referring to, please PM me.

[Opiyum]

When it is "used of properly", Opiyum, it is called constructive criticism. This goes above and beyond that. Properly is an intellectual exchange of ideas that may not agree, or come from the same perspective. I agree in those cases it is fine, and even helpful.
But when some punk writes "why don't you check google dumbass?" Or "what kind of junky are you if you don't know how to shoot up" or just some of the dumb, deragatory, harassing and inflamatory remarks - and a game is being played by a few punks to see who can make the rudest remark first, that is what Cornburgular and I a referring to. Belittling and demeaning others will never help them or make them smarter. There is a tactful way to go about it, and a rude way, and I have NEVER seen so much rudeness and downright cruelty onslaught against other members, to the point of verbal abuse which IMHO is NEVER constructive. I believe it is that that we are talking about in my post "The New Crude Attitude' and in Cornburglar's posts. I understand what you are saying, which is that you take criticism well, and can make a positive out of even the most hateful comment. That is admirable, but I don't think most people are built that way, and I sure wouldn't want to be a new member right now with this game going on of which person can say the cruelest thing that a few are playing in every forum. I hope you understand what I mean here, in fact, this is the kind of civil disagreement I am talking about, I think!

Positively charged example:
You mentioned the "why dont you google it" comment and that happened to be my comment to someone I cant remember now. I was being a dick but I was trying to make a joke out of it. Whoever the comment was directed too later replied that he did his homework and found what he was looking for and was understanding of the breakage of the balls. To this I decided to give him rep points for being cool as can be about it. All is well.

I understand what your saying though and read ya loud and clear. Im just a bit confused because you've been here a lot longer than me and I would've thought you'd be used to it by now. Learn to ignore...i dont know... thats what I'm trying.

kick shit

[shaunclo]

Positively charged example:
You mentioned the "why dont you google it" comment and that happened to be my comment to someone I cant remember now. I was being a dick but I was trying to make a joke out of it. Whoever the comment was directed too later replied that he did his homework and found what he was looking for and was understanding of the breakage of the balls. To this I decided to give him rep points for being cool as can be about it. All is well.

I understand what your saying though and read ya loud and clear. Im just a bit confused because you've been here a lot longer than me and I would've thought you'd be used to it by now. Learn to ignore...i dont know... thats what I'm trying.

kick shit

Thats one prime example, thanks Opiyum. Most of the time these little arguments turn out to make people stronger bros from it. Trust me, when the points thing first came into play I had points taken away for something and I was so furious. I finally realized the person was right and it opened up my way of looking at things a little bit better, hope that makes sense

[antony]

I think part of the problem is the speediness that people can become members here. When I signed up, it took 2-3 weeks to get my email back to register; now it seems immediate. so when people first come to the site, they see one thread they like, sign up, and go in asking questions; when I learned how to make poppy seed tea, and a question about it, but couldn't ask, cuz I couldn't make posts. But scrolled down and found someone had the same question already posted.

I think this place is a lot bigger than people realize.

an

[antony]

I think part of the problem is the speediness that people can become members here. When I signed up, it took 2-3 weeks to get my email back to register; now it seems immediate. so when people first come to the site, they see one thread they like, sign up, and go in asking questions; when I learned how to make poppy seed tea, and a question about it, but couldn't ask, cuz I couldn't make posts. But scrolled down and found someone had the same question already posted.

I think this place is a lot bigger than people realize.

and

[Opiyum]

I think part of the problem is the speediness that people can become members here. When I signed up, it took 2-3 weeks to get my email back to register; now it seems immediate. so when people first come to the site, they see one thread they like, sign up, and go in asking questions; when I learned how to make poppy seed tea, and a question about it, but couldn't ask, cuz I couldn't make posts. But scrolled down and found someone had the same question already posted.

I think this place is a lot bigger than people realize.

and

Thats a good point that noone has brought up yet. I for example found the site then registered and was immediately a member. For me this is my first experience in the world of forums alltogether so I knew nothing about forum etiquette. I still dont know what sticky means nor do I know what a bump is or for that matter what does this shit mean...IMHO IMAO and many others I cant think of now. I didnt even know that the search function existed till i was told.

and what antony? you left us hanging there.

[ginger]

Hey Opiyum:

I am with you on some things: I don't know what a stick is or what a bump is either but I can help you with the other things..here are the ones I can think of...acronyms, that is.

IMOH = in my humble (or honest) opinion
LMAO= laughing my ass off
BTW = by the way
LOL = laughing out loud
FYI = for your information
ROTF = rolling on the floor (I guess this coulb be used a few ways here but usually it is hooked to LMAO)
IMAO = I don't know this one but I would read it "in my asshole opinion" ;)

There are many more of these web acronyms...it gets pretty sophisticated, if one could call it that. :cool:

[Curio]

atm: at the moment

a few abbreviations from work:

DRT: Dead Right There
CTD: Circling The Drain
TMB: Too Many Birthdays

[Cornburglar]

Why don't the Admins use some of their power and delete these rude posts? That's what they are for. Maybe there aren't enough mods for all the new traffic? I just think the solution is in the moderators hands. I'm on a lot of boards, and they all have these issues, but the mods keep it under control (deleting rud posts, banning unruly members, etc).

Just some thoughts. Good luck!

Well, who determines what's rude? I think the mods do an exceptional job at not interfering in subjective post content. After all, who wants to be censored?

[Cornburglar]

Hey Opiyum:

I am with you on some things: I don't know what a stick is or what a bump is either but I can help you with the other things..here are the ones I can think of...acronyms, that is.

IMOH = in my humble (or honest) opinion
LMAO= laughing my ass off
BTW = by the way
LOL = laughing out loud
FYI = for your information
ROTF = rolling on the floor (I guess this coulb be used a few ways here but usually it is hooked to LMAO)
IMAO = I don't know this one but I would read it "in my asshole opinion" ;)

There are many more of these web acronyms...it gets pretty sophisticated, if one could call it that. :cool:

This is my favorite:

DYOFDW

Do your own fucking dirty work.

[Cornburglar]

See this is why I don't like the idea. Now we have people telling us what questions are ok to bash on and how intellectual we're supposed to be while we're criticizing people. And we expect mods to hang around and make judgement calls.

Use the rep/points system. That's what its for, and that's how mods have established this place as a community. We make the decisions as a group.

I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for my response to this and other comments I've made on other threads. But what I'm doing is not ball-busting. I'm trying to be intellectual and say there is a process established to lodge your grievances with people.

-H


:violent4:BLAST!!!

Just kidding! I never said anything about people being told how to post or mods making decisions. You're right, the forum makes some decisions too, hence the discussion of this topic. I don't even know if a flame forum is the answer since the flaming isn't done for fun or in an ongoing thread. It's done to be an asshole and try to trump newbies.

[Cornburglar]

I honestly don't think anyone has gone out of their way to be an asshole here. I think it all goes back to poeple learning how to properly use these sites. When I first came and asked some repetitive questions that I really should have searched out, I was put in my place, and Lo adn Behold I don't do it anymore...

Ok, so you really should have searched them out. What would have been a more powerful message? Someone telling you you're a fucking idiot? That's pretty good. How about not replying at all.... man, that'd really be a bitch! Or if replying to same old same old questions, why is it impossible to be at least civil? Liek "Hey man.... do the leg work!"

[Opiyum]

Ok, so you really should have searched them out. What would have been a more powerful message? Someone telling you you're a fucking idiot? That's pretty good. How about not replying at all.... man, that'd really be a bitch! Or if replying to same old same old questions, why is it impossible to be at least civil? Liek "Hey man.... do the leg work!"

You have to show dominance in order for them to listen whos your daddt bithc.....hahaha. Im so fucked up drunk and kppins

[HistoryofMadness]

:violent4:BLAST!!!

Just kidding! I never said anything about people being told how to post or mods making decisions. You're right, the forum makes some decisions too, hence the discussion of this topic. I don't even know if a flame forum is the answer since the flaming isn't done for fun or in an ongoing thread. It's done to be an asshole and try to trump newbies.

Sorry that was my fault for reading and commenting on two threads at once (the new rude attitude)... I think flame forums are bad because they often spill into other parts of the forum, and in general just cause ill will around.

Having said that, you and others are using subjective words like "bitchy" and "rude" and "punks" and "hotheads" to describe fellow (and very active) members, and "hapless victims" and "rejected" and we're discussing properly-used criticism versus asshole statements. Which of course you commented on as well.

Its just a fact that some have higher thresholds than others. I guess what I'm saying above is perhaps you have a lower threshold (which is cool) and I'll submit your automatic assumption and defensive response as evidence.

Now I'm through with this one too. Sorry for being windier than a bag of assholes.

-H

[Cornburglar]

I guess what I'm saying above is perhaps you have a lower threshold (which is cool) and I'll submit your automatic assumption and defensive response as evidence.

-H

I gotta see where my threshold was low and I was defensive? Point those out for me?

My threshold is low for intolerance, that's for sure.

I'm still not keen on where or when I was defensive though. Show me?

[ZodiacKiller]

I still dont know what sticky means nor do I know what a bump is or for that matter what does this shit mean...IMHO IMAO

Hey Opiyum-

Someone else posted what the acronyms stand for, but a 'sticky' is a post that has been manipulated so that it stays at the top of the list of threads in a particular forum, regardless of how many new threads are posted after it, so that it 'sticks' around.

A 'bump' is when someone updates or adds to an old thread, thus 'bumping' it to the top of the list of threads in that particular forum.

As far as flaming, my philosophy is that I try to be nice---sure, some good-natured ribbing is always Ok in my book, but I don't attack anyone maliciously, even if they post something dumb. Hell, everyone makes mistakes now & then, and when someone is new to a forum, it usually takes being there a little while to get used to how things work. I try to give 'em a break...

ZK

[Scarlettnight]

Alright I have been here a while and though I don't post often I am on every day watching.
What I see for the most part is clever retorts from people who actually have an IQ above 75. This I find refreshing and hard to come by. This site and it's resident smartasses have helped me immensely during the "bad" days.

As for the Flame Forum I think it is a good idea for the sheer hilairity that would ensue.

[shaunclo]

I am still very confused here, NOT ONE PERSON HAS PM'S ME OR LISTED A THREAD WHERE THEY THINK IT IS OFFENSIVE.

If you guys think that poeple are getting outta line, please list the thread so we can see what your talking about. I went thru and read a whole lotta posts I never got to and didnt find 1 remark that I thought was fucked up. I think some people here are getting a little too defensive for others. I say let the chips land where they fall. If not one thread has been forwarded or listed on here, theres obviosly a 1 sided view of assholism going on here. IMOA, cool Ijust figured out what the hell that meant, LOL, see Im getting the hang of it.

[Opiyum]

I am still very confused here, NOT ONE PERSON HAS PM'S ME OR LISTED A THREAD WHERE THEY THINK IT IS OFFENSIVE.

If you guys think that poeple are getting outta line, please list the thread so we can see what your talking about. I went thru and read a whole lotta posts I never got to and didnt find 1 remark that I thought was fucked up. I think some people here are getting a little too defensive for others. I say let the chips land where they fall. If not one thread has been forwarded or listed on here, theres obviosly a 1 sided view of assholism going on here. IMOA, cool Ijust figured out what the hell that meant, LOL, see Im getting the hang of it.

Nope Shauny you fucked it up its IMAO not IMOA. Still...Both are better than having an HMO....Baaaaahhaaa

[Cornburglar]

I am still very confused here, NOT ONE PERSON HAS PM'S ME OR LISTED A THREAD WHERE THEY THINK IT IS OFFENSIVE.

If you guys think that poeple are getting outta line, please list the thread so we can see what your talking about. I went thru and read a whole lotta posts I never got to and didnt find 1 remark that I thought was fucked up. I think some people here are getting a little too defensive for others. I say let the chips land where they fall. If not one thread has been forwarded or listed on here, theres obviosly a 1 sided view of assholism going on here. IMOA, cool Ijust figured out what the hell that meant, LOL, see Im getting the hang of it.

Why is that necessary? Are you going to deliberate and offer a judgement? Does it really matter if you have a chance to look at the threads? I'm curious, what are your qualifications? Do you do mediation for a court system? Perhaps you're really Jimmy Carter:D?

Find the threads yourself if you're that interested. You don't have the excuse of being "new around here."

[Opiyum]

Why is that necessary? Are you going to deliberate and offer a judgement? Does it really matter if you have a chance to look at the threads? I'm curious, what are your qualifications? Do you do mediation for a court system? Perhaps you're really Jimmy Carter:D?

Find the threads yourself if you're that interested. You don't have the excuse of being "new around here."

I dont mean to speak for Shauniocio but isn't it the supposed "flaming" that started these threads about a bunch of wild assholes with flamethrowers on the loose and aomething needing to be done about them.

You know it was said earlier in the thread that this thread and the other just like are only throwing more fuel on the "flame" so to speak. This is proving to be the truth of it all.

[Curio]

UTFSE

is a popular one

[blackdog]

joke-em if they can't take a fuck!!


da/dawgg:p

[Cornburglar]

I dont mean to speak for Shauniocio but isn't it the supposed "flaming" that started these threads about a bunch of wild assholes with flamethrowers on the loose and aomething needing to be done about them.

You know it was said earlier in the thread that this thread and the other just like are only throwing more fuel on the "flame" so to speak. This is proving to be the truth of it all.

Well, since I started the thread I suppose I'll answer. First off. I never called anyone a "wild asshole." Not here, not anywhere. I used the word "hotheads," in reference to no particular poster. In fact, I consider myself to be a "hothead," at times so there was no insult intended with that description. As a self-proclaimed "hothead," I've sent out a negative post or two to those who I felt, only because I decided, that they deserved a "smack." That's what "hotheads," do. We sometimes act before we speak. The good "hotheads," can say.." hey man, I acted before I spoke. Sorry." The bad "hotheads," refuse to aknowledge that, although they may have been correct and delivered a message that was deserved, they still gave someone a "smack," just because they wanted to. No one likes being bitched at and that should at least be recognized if not somehow mildly atoned for. Now... on to this silly response to such a harmless suggestion. You got that part of it, right? I'm not Bi11i. I'm not a mod and I don't have any influence above and beyond that of any other member. I tossed out an idea. Yasee, ideas are cool things. Sometimes they're great right out of the oven. Sometimes they bear discussion. Sometimes they should have never been expressed at all. But we'd never be able to determine any of this if ideas are not expressed. You have the right to your ideas and I have the right to tell you that I don't like them. Same goes for you. However, your telling me that you don't like my idea isn't going to make me suddenly think its a bad idea.

Now, if defining a behavior as belonging to a "hothead," adds fuel to some imaginary fire, then perhaps a flame forum would be a little too rough for some. Perhaps a "Koupon Korner," forum would be more appropriate. You know, a place to get together and talk about hair-do's, what happened on the "stories," this week and what book Ofrah is using to hold up her nightime snack. I think with some of the sensitive responses I've seen to this suggestion that a forum such as this would be of far more use than a no holds barred arena where verbal duelers can work out their differences for the entertainment of an audience. I'm certainly not going to post there, but perhaps you'd find yourself more comfortable there. :D

[Opiyum]

Wow man your looking into this a little too deeply.
The wild assholes with flamethrowers comment was meant to be funny....You know what fuck it... this is the most pointless endevour I've ever embarked on in this forum. Good luck with you ego trip.

How's that for flaming?


I need to stop drinking. I havent been this serious since.... .... ....I dont know when.

[HistoryofMadness]

I gotta see where my threshold was low and I was defensive? Point those out for me?

My threshold is low for intolerance, that's for sure.

I'm still not keen on where or when I was defensive though. Show me?

I know I said I was through but I don't want to leave this hanging. I should've been more clear.

I was merely implying that you were responding to comments that weren't directed at you. You assumed they were and defended yourself. And then of course we could get into a circular comment that we are both being defensive now. And methinks we are.

That is all, no harm intended. Let's put this to bed. G'nite.

-H

[shaunclo]

Why is that necessary? Are you going to deliberate and offer a judgement? Does it really matter if you have a chance to look at the threads? I'm curious, what are your qualifications? Do you do mediation for a court system? Perhaps you're really Jimmy Carter:D?

Find the threads yourself if you're that interested. You don't have the excuse of being "new around here."

Im not saying I have any authority around here whatsoever, all Im saying is that I am so very curious as to what you think is a mean remark. I am very confused. I tried reading all the posts I didnt get to and I didnt see any that I thought was offensive. I just wanted to see an example of what YOU thought was offensive, and why you thought it was getting so bad that you wanted to start a thread because of it. Thats all.

Its not like I am going to get the thread, and punish those who did wrong, hell no!! I probably have done more damage than anyone else here. I think if you had to start a thread about mean remarks being made, than everyone (not just me) should have a chance to see what your talking about. And no, I dont have any qualifications whatsoever, I am a lowly junky loser who has nothing better to do (at work no less) than browse, read and post on this site. Now you made me all depressed, :(

[shaunclo]

I know I said I was through but I don't want to leave this hanging. I should've been more clear.

I was merely implying that you were responding to comments that weren't directed at you. You assumed they were and defended yourself. And then of course we could get into a circular comment that we are both being defensive now. And methinks we are.

That is all, no harm intended. Let's put this to bed. G'nite.

-H

Thank you History, perfectly said.....I too am done with this, lets all let this thing die down for a while. This is dragging down the rest of the forum

[bi11i]

Any possibility of giving the hotheads a place to sizzle each other and any hapless victims that may wander across their path? I think it's getting a little bitchy in the regular forums and quite frankly, if I were a newer member who got reamed for asking a simple question, I'd hit the road feeling rejected by my supposed peers in the opie world. Jest checkin.
We've tossed this idea around on a number of occasions. The problem is that while even though flame forums always reside in their own little area with their own set of rules, very rarely does anyone ever follow them outside of the actual flaming area. Flaming bleeds into other areas of the board, or good discussion ends up in the flaming area. eDot is a great example of this.

I personally think it's a bad idea, however if we want to have a go at it, I'm totally willing to put one in place. I think it might be a good idea to isolate it and make it by join request only (as the Supply & Resource forum used to be, where one needs to 'opt in' - rather, now the S&R forums are for those who have registered to the board only) so those that would like to, can and others don't have to look, should they not want to.

One thing that I definitely have to admit is the lack of time and effort on my own part to maintain the board. I apologize for not being here as I should be. I've just been so busy, trying to take care personal garbage and other web projects. And certainly not that Opiophile comes last on the list, however I definitely would like to elect some new moderators and maybe even another admin to help out. Using the ignore feature is another option for those who wish to simply not read the postings of the stupid. I use it both here and elsewhere. A great tool.

Let me know what you think - either way let's elect some moderators and maybe another admin to help out? Rather than me and Jacky deciding on who this would be, it might be better for the member base to elect certain individuals (rather than themselves.) Thoughts, ideas? I'll subscribe here and do what I can to address this ASAP...

[reddragon3668]

Being new here, I am not sure I know who the moderators are. Exitwound is the only one that comes to mind that I have seen. Some people (and surely there are more that don't come to mind at the moment) who appear to be very helpful since I have been here are: Zoop, Shaunclo, coddfish, candy, antony, doc diesel.... I am sure there are others. Not sure if any of these would have the time.

[antony]

Thats a good point that noone has brought up yet. I for example found the site then registered and was immediately a member. For me this is my first experience in the world of forums alltogether so I knew nothing about forum etiquette. I still dont know what sticky means nor do I know what a bump is or for that matter what does this shit mean...IMHO IMAO and many others I cant think of now. I didnt even know that the search function existed till i was told.

and what antony? you left us hanging there.

and...I forgot what i was going to say. but it seems that some of the new members just don't know the rules, or don't do their research here.

and while I like the threads that show pics, and the "late night...." thread, it seems that some relevant topics are slow coming these days. I don't know if im being an ass, but some of the newer members, and maybe everyone in paticular? just don't have anything new to bring to the table.

and whoever posted about NOT starting new threads, but adding on to old ones is the best idea.

Things that we shouldn't start new threads on (imo :D [hows that opi?])

CWE: (there are instructions at every website, if you found a better way, post under CWE, there are at least 2 threads on it already)

Teas: (Pods, seeds, earl grey, whatever, if you found a new recipe, post it under the existing ones, there ar e scores of them)

Pictures of what you scored: Again, plenty of threads.

what im getting at is that it seems that we are just kicking around old shit.

thats my rant for today

reddragon:Being new here, I am not sure I know who the moderators are. Exitwound is the only one that comes to mind that I have seen. Some people (and surely there are more that don't come to mind at the moment) who appear to be very helpful since I have been here are: Zoop, Shaunclo, coddfish, candy, antony, doc diesel.... I am sure there are others. Not sure if any of these would have the time.
wow, didnt know my bullshit had such an impact. cheers dragon!

[reddragon3668]

and...I forgot what i was going to say. but it seems that some of the new members just don't know the rules, or don't do their research here.

Everybody is new once. I think allot of these redundant threads have come from people who now have 200-300 post under their belt. :D

There really is nothing going on here that does not happen at any established forum. The quickest way to get flamed at any forum is to ignore the search function and post something that has been posted to death... Go to one of the Linux forums and start a thread about the best disto available... your computer screen will lose useable pixels in the fire. When a board is young, this stuff is tolerated better because the forums needs participation and number of threads to generate traffic, thus making it a viable place for people to go. And, the fact is, these questions that keep coming up are allot of what new people are looking for at the search engines that drive some of the traffic here. I could be wrong, it has happened before. ;)

When a place begins to get popular, you simply have to tolerate some of this. What happens though, is people who have been there a long time and enjoyed things the way they were when they did not have to deal with so many newbies asking stupid questions, get frustrated. But, it is just the way it is, as far I know. Go to any of the bigger forums and they fight the same thing.

With that said, I still feel that anyone familar with forum ettiqutte(sp.) should know how to use the search function before asking a question. But, there are people who don't know that so in the spirit of mercy and compassion, it is better to give people to benefit of the doubt, imho.


(PS: I agree with you, Anthony, that posting to old threads is a good idea. I think I have started two new threads in the short time I have been here. Looking back, there are half a dozen or more threads that had been started within a few days of my intial postings here that I could have added mine too. So, you do have a great idea there.)

[bi11i]

Maybe we could moderate new members? I agree that there appears to be lots of BS and we definitely need someone on who's here all the time that's willing to help sort it out, etc. Every day I get a notice frm the How Do I forum where someone has posted something having zero to do with the forum, even after I posted both rules and an announcement. (now I just relocate them without a redirect, hehe.)

[antony]

Maybe we could moderate new members? I agree that there appears to be lots of BS and we definitely need someone on who's here all the time that's willing to help sort it out, etc. Every day I get a notice frm the How Do I forum where someone has posted something having zero to do with the forum, even after I posted both rules and an announcement. (now I just relocate them without a redirect, hehe.)

bi11i, i posted above, or somewhere that it took 2-3 weeks for my email to come, which in the mean time, i was a guest here, and searched the threads and forums, just constantly reading, so when the email finally came, i knew what was going on, who seemed like a person i could relate with, and who i couldn't. maybe just keeping them at bay, so all they can do is just do their research, before coming in with guns blazing.

[Opiyum]

Maybe we could moderate new members? I agree that there appears to be lots of BS and we definitely need someone on who's here all the time that's willing to help sort it out, etc. Every day I get a notice frm the How Do I forum where someone has posted something having zero to do with the forum, even after I posted both rules and an announcement. (now I just relocate them without a redirect, hehe.)

Admittedly I can be a BSer but I do it only to bring humor to the site. I know there are a lot of people here that are down on their luck and a little laughter can be therapeutic.
I'm not posting this in a defensive manor but rather Im volunteering to help the forums in whatever way possible. I dont exactly know what a moderator does but if it requires being online alot then I fit that qualification...for the time being a least, and once again would love to help. Alot of the "general chat" that goes on unfortunatley doesnt end up in the General Chat forum and I would be happy to sort through that shit and put the unrelated dialogue in its relative place. I would even go as far as asking ANTONY to be my partner since we have a similar sense of humor and could do a good job of it I think.

So yeah I guess Im nominating myself to moderate the General Chat forum with ANT as my Vice should he choose to accept. He may be busy with the book club so I might have to go it alone.

As far as experience I have a PHD in Comedic Science at Python, Hicks, Pryor and Wilder University.
If I can be of any help let me know Billi.

[Opiyum]

Being new here, I am not sure I know who the moderators are. Exitwound is the only one that comes to mind that I have seen. Some people (and surely there are more that don't come to mind at the moment) who appear to be very helpful since I have been here are: Zoop, Shaunclo, coddfish, candy, antony, doc diesel.... I am sure there are others. Not sure if any of these would have the time.

I thought we were friends dragy...

[Kallie]

Admittedly I can be a BSer but I do it only to bring humor to the site. I know there are a lot of people here that are down on their luck and a little laughter can be therapeutic.
I'm not posting this in a defensive manor but rather Im volunteering to help the forums in whatever way possible. I dont exactly know what a moderator does but if it requires being online alot then I fit that qualification...for the time being a least, and once again would love to help. Alot of the "general chat" that goes on unfortunatley doesnt end up in the General Chat forum and I would be happy to sort through that shit and put the unrelated dialogue in its relative place. I would even go as far as asking ANTONY to be my partner since we have a similar sense of humor and could do a good job of it I think.

So yeah I guess Im nominating myself to moderate the General Chat forum with ANT as my Vice should he choose to accept. He may be busy with the book club so I might have to go it alone.

As far as experience I have a PHD in Comedic Science at Python, Hicks, Pryor and Wilder University.
If I can be of any help let me know Billi.

If you are willing to do ALL that, I'll nominate you. Bi11i, please consider letting Opi sort thru the mail, but no access to personal stuff. The ZW (not our ZK, another one) may be a spy and try to blackmail you.......... There. I did it. You, Opi, are officially nominated.

[Coddfish]

Does anyone here realize that we aren't actually interacting with people, but f'n keyboards and computer screens? I try not to get upset at keyboards, and only a little at the screens.
Oh yeah, the mouse. Fuck that mouse.

[poonwhalla]

:vomit2:hey codfish take it easy mang someone may jump through your screen and smash your hands with a hammer.

[Curio]

I vote that this entire thread and anything relating to it be NUKED as soon as humanly possible...then we move on like nothing happened.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/NothingHappened.jpg

[Cornburglar]

I vote that this entire thread and anything relating to it be NUKED as soon as humanly possible...then we move on like nothing happened.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/JaeBond007/NothingHappened.jpg

You know, that just might be the best solution. If you (I'm speaking to the collective "you," not comaTOES specifically) read the first post again, I hope that it's apparent that I was trying to offer a very general idea on how to approach a situation that really occurs rather naturally on these silly internet boards (ahem.. uh, not that opiophile.org is silly at all Bi11i, umm... you know what I mean). People disagree or post something stupid and then someone starts hurling insults, the next thing you know the entire thing degrades to an invocation of Godwin's law (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/). I'm so regretful that I made this suggestion because all it's done is cause more turmoil and arguing than could ever be helped by a flame forum. I mean it's a fucking forum.... if it offends sensibilities then lets just drop it. I mean, look at this thread. You'd think it was suggested that opiophile.org start mandating use of real names and addresses for every user. WTF?! Personally, I'd like a flame forum just for fun. I like verbal swordplay, and people who are inclined to brutalize hapless newbies can get their rocks off too. It would be a big funny joke, someone posts in the regular forums looking to trade or solicit the crack-style cocaine and we say, "oh, the place you want to ask is over in the forum called "the devil's underpants (or whatever), they'll help you out." Or whatever but I just can't get over the response here. Like I said, maybe a forum like, "I am a grown man but I have a vagina," would be a better idea.


This isn't directed at you, coma. I'm just really surprised that something so innocuous has turned into this much of a hissy fit... what next?:sad-smile

[ZodiacKiller]

Hey Corn, I heard the devil doesn't wear underpants. Satan told me he always goes "commando".

[Curio]

: You know, that just might be the best solution. If you (I'm speaking to the collective "you," not comaTOES specifically) read the first post again, I hope that it's apparent that I was trying to offer a very general idea on how to approach a situation that really occurs rather naturally on these silly internet boards (ahem.. uh, not that opiophile.org is silly at all Bi11i, umm... you know what I mean). People disagree or post something stupid and then someone starts hurling insults, the next thing you know the entire thing degrades to an invocation of Godwin's law (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/). I'm so regretful that I made this suggestion because all it's done is cause more turmoil and arguing than could ever be helped by a flame forum. I mean it's a fucking forum.... if it offends sensibilities then lets just drop it. I mean, look at this thread. You'd think it was suggested that opiophile.org start mandating use of real names and addresses for every user. WTF?! Personally, I'd like a flame forum just for fun. I like verbal swordplay, and people who are inclined to brutalize hapless newbies can get their rocks off too. It would be a big funny joke, someone posts in the regular forums looking to trade or solicit the crack-style cocaine and we say, "oh, the place you want to ask is over in the forum called "the devil's underpants (or whatever), they'll help you out." Or whatever but I just can't get over the response here. Like I said, maybe a forum like, "I am a grown man but I have a vagina," would be a better idea.
This isn't directed at you, coma. I'm just really surprised that something so innocuous has turned into this much of a hissy fit... what next?:sad-smile
where you going with this man=vagina thing?
is that supposed to be a put-down? a man being associated with a vagina instead of a penis?
cause it kinda is to me cause I am NOT a man, but given the chance, I can act like a weiner same as anyone else!:moon:
I suggested the thread be NUKED cause it's become a case of ANALYSIS-PARALYSIS....as in, The dog won't hunt, it just chases it's tail around and around and around until everyone's dizzy. :angry-smi

[Curio]

:moon:weiner weiner weiner:moon:

[Cornburglar]

:
where you going with this man=vagina thing?
is that supposed to be a put-down? a man being associated with a vagina instead of a penis?
cause it kinda is to me cause I am NOT a man, but given the chance, I can act like a weiner same as anyone else!:moon:
I suggested the thread be NUKED cause it's become a case of ANALYSIS-PARALYSIS....as in, The dog won't hunt, it just chases it's tail around and around and around until everyone's dizzy. :angry-smi

Well, the vagina reference wasn't supposed to offend man, woman nor beast. It's a silly term I use when I get bitchy, or when someone else is being bitchy. Fuck... I think I'll just slink away, sit in the corner and eat wet cigarettes because no matter what I'm posting, I'm pissing someone off. I'm starting to feel like a definite persona non grata around here.

[bi11i]

Let's keep in mind that this forum is NOT the flame forum....

[Curio]

I thought adding weiner weiner weiner showed that I was just giving him the "business" and not serious at all!!

[reddragon3668]

I thought we were friends dragy...
Opiyum, I totally forgot dude; I will be your campaign manager and you can just pay me from your stash! :D Opiyum for Mod...get your bumper sticker now!

Actually I am rather upset. I leave the board for a few hours, come back and find out that I have missed it all. Where is this man/vagina thread at? Sign me up! I got one, but she aint here right now...

[Curio]

no more man:vagina
Now, it's all about the WEINER and nothing more, lol!

[Opiyum]

If you are willing to do ALL that, I'll nominate you. Bi11i, please consider letting Opi sort thru the mail, but no access to personal stuff. The ZW (not our ZK, another one) may be a spy and try to blackmail you.......... There. I did it. You, Opi, are officially nominated.

It took me a long time to realize that ZW stood for Zucchini wench. Speaking of which today she taught me how to say hello in russian. "Dobroe Utro" I'm working on the accent.
For all I know it could mean fuck off.

I'd like to thank alll my supporters at this time. RedDragon and K630 thank you for your blessings.
The list wasn't very long. I guess I need to start pressing the flesh a little more.

[Kallie]

Sorry to strain your brain... and I know a little Russian... use this on her.... Spy-cee-ba. (Means... "thank you"). Maybe that will impress her?

Glad to know your campaign's in full swing.... I just finished mowing the lawn... whoo hoo...my "free week-end" and all. Did I say it? Whooooo Hooooooooo!:rolleyes:

It took me a long time to realize that ZW stood for Zucchini wench. Speaking of which today she taught me how to say hello in russian. "Dobroe Utro" I'm working on the accent.
For all I know it could mean fuck off.

I'd like to thank alll my supporters at this time. RedDragon and K630 thank you for your blessings.
The list wasn't very long. I guess I need to start pressing the flesh a little more.

[Kallie]

Hey Corn, I heard the devil doesn't wear underpants. Satan told me he always goes "commando".
Somehow, I never stopped to consider DD and his choice of 'roos... or lack thereof... but after some careful consideration, I definitely vote "commando" ...or a jock-strap made of burrs.

[ZodiacKiller]

Somehow, I never stopped to consider DD and his choice of 'roos... or lack thereof... but after some careful consideration, I definitely vote "commando" ...or a jock-strap made of burrs.

Ouch!!!

[blackdog]

i can smell the cigar smoke
and taste the dirty underhanded political dealings
of the opiophile underground:rolleyes:
backroom politics anyone????

jes foolin.........

[siggy]

Uncivil or violent behavior & comments only result in negativity - look at the world around you - you think it got this way from positivity? If you're wallowing in shit, does it make you feel better to smear others with it? I say, go ahead and wallow if you want - just don't track it in my house or anyone else's.