Weed Caps

[blutuesday]

I thought this was interesting. I used to smoke weed several times a day in early high school but now I cannot stand it. I am not a cig smoker and HATE smoking anything.

I found this:

http://www.gardenscure.com/420/marijuana-cooking/52152-marijuana-capsules.html

Anyone tried this? And don't worry I UTMSE, so don't bite my head off if its already been done.

EDIT: follow the thread, it goes thru the whole process...to the finished product.

[Method]

I will have to find the site but there is a site that sells a product that mutiplies the affects of THC when taken in that form , i found it while looking for a manual pill press. I kind of would like to see how it would be to take pilled trees , i am just like you Tuesday, i cant stand to smoke.

[Motown]

I'll have to check that out. However - the thing I like best about MJ
is the ritual of smoking. I'm not sure I would like the feeling as much if
I just took it as a capsule. It's a little bit heavy for me these days.

The times I have eaten cookies, gooballs, brownies, etc, I have also smoked
the herb as well. Good experiment, though. I'll let you know when I try.

[Hiram]

This is similar to the hash butter or oil method. THC needs to bond to some sort of fat for this type of process. It looks interesting, I've never seen it done, but I've ingested plenty of MJ variations and that is more of a psychedelic experience than smoking if done properly. You can actually over do it fairly easily like with any other drug that has a slow onset. It tends to make me slightly nauseous if I ingest too much, but I did enjoy the high and it lasts a long time.

[resorcinol]

Keep in mind that oral MJ is a different high. It's far more impairing... if you eat too much you could easily be glued to the couch. Wigging out is also more common when THC is taken orally. The high is also extended due to moderated absorbtion.

There are RC websites selling synthetic CB1 agonists that are alkaloids (can form salts due to having a basic amine group) and are water soluble. This opens up the possibility of insuffulation and IV injection. WIN-55-212,2 has good reviews over at BL. I'd love to try that particular CB1 agonist; it sounds wonderful -- a clean high, less paranoia, less burnout when it wears off... sounds better than weed.

[Method]

this stuff , chemicals, always sparks my intrust(sp)

[SeVeN]

I really dislike smoking as well. I've also noticed that when I eat pot Im less likely to get "paranoid". Using an oil or a butter with cannabis is the way to go since thc is fat soluble.

But alas. I still usually smoke since its quicker and Im lazy.

[oshicawntin]

"THC usually accumulates at a quite a low level in the fresh leaves of C. sativa and is shown to be derived artificially from the acidic cannabinoid Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) by non-enzymatic decarboxylation during storage and smoking (Yamauchi et al., 1967 [triangle]; Kimura & Okamoto, 1970 [triangle])"


So, you want to make your bud stronger without smoking it? "Non-enzymatic decarboxylation" - let's apply heat to marijuana to decarboxylate (namely) THCA and convert it into more THC. I believe a few other of the "60 cannabinoids [that] have been isolated" have a good possibility of doing the same (can anyone back me up on this?)


So, heat some bud in tin foil in your oven at about 200-220F for 10-15 minutes.. It will smell highly of skunk and break down very easy. Don't burn it.
It'll be a darker greyish color, though.


Crush it up in some oil and make capsules or mix it with food or whatever!



reference: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1952348

[motts]

I do not smoke weed anymore, I used to quite a bit. The last time I smoked was with my boy and his girl (dieselbaby and top secret ) :) :) but that seems like quite a cool idea, and cuts down on the smell so you can take it many more places.

I ate 4 pot brownies once, and the dude used some very potent trimmings. I had never eaten pot and he told me to have one because they are SUPER potent. Next thing I know was it was about 10am, I went to bed around 1-2 am that night, I woke up at 10 I literally COULD NOT MOVE I was so fucking stoned it was crazy, passed back out for a couple hours and was literally high all day...unique experience.

[Seedy]

Very timely thread, the link didn't work for me but here we can sometimes buy oil caps - people soak their trimmings in isopropyl, strain off and evaporate down to oil which we buy in capsules to smoke. I've had one sitting around for ages, got sick of smoking it because there's so much good bud around, so last night i was bored and just ate the rest of it.... and forgot about it for a couple of hours until I realised why i was so fucked up :rolleyes:

[blutuesday]

Very timely thread, the link didn't work for me but here we can sometimes buy oil caps - people soak their trimmings in isopropyl, strain off and evaporate down to oil which we buy in capsules to smoke. I've had one sitting around for ages, got sick of smoking it because there's so much good bud around, so last night i was bored and just ate the rest of it.... and forgot about it for a couple of hours until I realised why i was so fucked up :rolleyes:

Hmm wonder why it didnt work? this was a link to a thread on some forum that shows u by picture the whole process. Was a great read.

Ima see if I can find an alternate way for u to see it.

EDIT: If you want to see it: go to gardenscure.com/420

It will take u to a forum. Then, follow the categories to the sub categories as follows:

The Garden's Cure (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/) > The Garden (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/#garden) > Harvesting, Drying & Storage (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/harvesting-drying-storage/) > Marijuana Cooking (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/marijuana-cooking/)

And find a thread called "marijuana capsules" the date on the thread is 06-21-2003

:)

Or, if the above link works, click here on "marijuana cooking" then look for that thread

[DCBA]

Keep in mind that oral MJ is a different high. It's far more impairing... if you eat too much you could easily be glued to the couch. Wigging out is also more common when THC is taken orally. The high is also extended due to moderated absorbtion.

There are RC websites selling synthetic CB1 agonists that are alkaloids (can form salts due to having a basic amine group) and are water soluble. This opens up the possibility of insuffulation and IV injection. WIN-55-212,2 has good reviews over at BL. I'd love to try that particular CB1 agonist; it sounds wonderful -- a clean high, less paranoia, less burnout when it wears off... sounds better than weed.

yes in deed. 11-OH-THC is way more powerful than THC..
Ive seen very experienced users become kinda paranoid on oral cannabis cause they were too much high..
The high is more psychedelic and more stimulating.. and it last a long time.. its like 2 or 3 hours to peak and another 4 to 6 hours to come down.. thats half-a-day!!!
I love oral cannabis once in a while.. and for me it boosts opioids even more than smoked cannabis..
But be careful with oral cannabis.. its the only way you get OD symptons (not death capable tough..) like convulsions and paranoia in the inexperienced user..

[Mustelid]

I'm glad someone mentioned decarboxylization. What I do for oral MJ is make bhang (THC Butter) you boil cannabis in water with a good amount (at least a few sticks) of butter. Keep it boiling for at least half-an-hour, then let it cool, the butter will form a greenish layer on top, save and use the butter, discard the water and plant material.

[resorcinol]

Yeah, there's very little free THC itself in MJ, but rather THC with a nasty carboxyl group on one of the rings that destroys affinity to the CB1 receptor. Luckily for us, simple heating removes this carboxyl group (decarboxylation), yeilding THC. When smoked, the heat from the buring material does the job. But when you cook with cannabis, like, say, extract the THC and other cannabinoids into oil, heat must be applied for a time to remove that carboxyl group. There is some free THC in MJ buds, but eating them as is would be a fantastic waste. Decarboxylate the THC carboxylic acid to get waayyy more THC in the resultant food product.

[blutuesday]

THanks for adding all the info yall.

I want to use MJ but cannot smoke. I get so NOID. Only time I smoke anymore is if I use MDMA or Shrooms.

I realllllly wanna get back into weed, but wont smoke.

Yall think you still get the paranoia with baking weed into brownines etc?

[Hiram]

THanks for adding all the info yall.

I want to use MJ but cannot smoke. I get so NOID. Only time I smoke anymore is if I use MDMA or Shrooms.

I realllllly wanna get back into weed, but wont smoke.

Yall think you still get the paranoia with baking weed into brownines etc?

The psychedelic and more drowsy effects seem to override the paranoia that comes with smoking for me. I never was one to have overwhelming paranoia to begin with though. Smoking does increase my anxiety, which to me would be a major draw back to many opiate users who may like that opiates seem to eliminate anxiety symptoms. MJ products are way stronger and more difficult to maintain in public on if you ingest them IMHO. The psychedelic nature isn't like LSD or mushrooms or anything, but it is definitely there.

[pinn3d]

Yeah I've always had much more luck with smoking the stuff..... I find its a lot easier to titrate my dose when I am smoking.... I can take a hit or two and decide as I go how much I need....eating it is more like tripping for me....

If I'm going to eat some then I will have to make sure I've got plenty of time off with no obligations or things to worry about...and in my experiences with eating I have often tended to take more than I needed; this rarely happens with smoking.

[chopstix]

I've only ever eaten small amts and haven't hit the line yet, but I've heard plenty of "OH SHIT" stories..

Used to smoke like a fool as a kid. Late teens it started 'noiding me and I eventually quit for a long time.

Started smoking on occasion again in my 30s, and still had the 'noia thing going, so I would just smoke little hits. Over the years it's gotten better and better and now I can burn one without getting too gacked out.

I have a card for insomnia, and the herb helps immensely. I stick to mostly Indica heavy strains cos I prefer a relaxed body high over the (generally) more stimulating Sativa plants that are more likely to push me back into a tweaky, un-comfortable buzz..

The reverse tolerance phenomena is interesting - it's really common, I know many people who puffed for years and now can't touch the shit cos they freak out.. I seem to have pushed through (most of) it with shear persistance..

I fucking love CA and prop 215 (hash to fucking die for - SO tasty..). Ima try the capsule trick, will report back... Thanks for the link, Blu..

[Raz]

I once had to eat half oz of hash (good red leb, back in the day).....Was in a police cell , so fought fuck it, why waste it.....

I was seriously fucked up....Just buzzin an wen i say buzzin it was just like a zzzzz in my head and all i could do was laff through slitty red eyes...When they sent the doc intoi my cell they just looked at me and could see i was seriously fucked up.....I didnt give a shit...

But ya know wat, dey fuckin still got ze Dr to stick his fuckin finger up my ass.....Not my proudest moment at 17yrs of age...:o......He sure wernt fuckin laffin wen i started sayin ," just to de left a bit doc, yeah dats it you got it, scratch right there"!!......They fuckin kicked me out at 3 am...Wiv a sore butt....:o

[Opiyum]

Keep in mind that oral MJ is a different high. It's far more impairing... if you eat too much you could easily be glued to the couch. Wigging out is also more common when THC is taken orally. The high is also extended due to moderated absorbtion.

There are RC websites selling synthetic CB1 agonists that are alkaloids (can form salts due to having a basic amine group) and are water soluble. This opens up the possibility of insuffulation and IV injection. WIN-55-212,2 has good reviews over at BL. I'd love to try that particular CB1 agonist; it sounds wonderful -- a clean high, less paranoia, less burnout when it wears off... sounds better than weed.

Anyone who has eaten brownies knows this of course. Man I've had times when I couldn't stand up all from just a couple brownies.

[losangeleslifer]

Keep in mind that oral MJ is a different high. It's far more impairing... if you eat too much you could easily be glued to the couch.

Sounds good to me.

[Natas666]

I am not a big weed fan at all, but due to my pain levels going haywire decide to give it a go with edibles(do not like to smoke at all).My first try was some butter and damn it plastered me for hours, I wanted to go to the ER so bad-my chest hurt so bad, I knew it was just too much and wouldn't be fatal but still damn!!
Now, I have had good luck with MJ Tea and done right its wonderful especially on these cold winter nights.Its still easy to overdo it, but I have got this last batch done good.

I will definitely have to give these capsules a try thanks for the link!

[DCBA]

Do you just make a tea with water? i never tried that, but have eard that you get few symptons out of it, and mostly you get sedation. thats what ive eard.

[Natas666]

My recipe is just adapted from those online.

1.5 grams mid/high grade bud
1/2 C. heavy whipping cream
2 tsp butter
1/2 C. water + tea flavor of choice-early grey myself


Make sure bud is broken down, then combine cream,butter, bud in small sauce pan to a mild rolling boil.about 10 mins, give or take-I don't have it down for max strength so experiment w/ low quality first.Combine water-tea into pot simmer for 5 mins or so.Then using strainer, pour into cup add sugar or honey if needed.Most importantly, THC is fat soluble so plain water and buds will NOT WORK.

It can take awhile to hit, so I pop my meds then wash down with this and by the time Norcos are coming down this hits-be prepared for sedation!!!!

My 3rd try was so strong I had visuals and auditory hallucinations it was jarring to say the least.

[chopstix]

Do you just make a tea with water? i never tried that, but have eard that you get few symptons out of it, and mostly you get sedation. thats what ive eard.

No, you shove it (all) up your ass - it's called plugging. Google "THC solubility" for a clue..

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[poonwhalla]

pot food is good if you have nothing to do for a few hours. IMO it is not as paranoid a feeling when you eat it. There are lots of good things you can make with it.

When I was in BC I knew a few growers that would either sell or give away pounds of trim from there harvests. with all that leaf we made soup, cookies, cakes, filo doe stuffs. I enjoy the body high from eating the shit. just add fat!

[bigfootlives]

Yah here in BC pot is almost as legal as tobacco.... Not exactly, but most of us locals like to thing so. It's almost unheard of for the police here to actually charge you for possesion. For example, my bitch face neighbor called the cops on me for an apparent meth lab I had in my house because of apparent "chemical" smells when I was only 15. So the cops came to my parents' house, searched it and the only thing they found was two joints on my table in a tin. After the awkwardness of wrongfully searching a 15 year olds parents house for a meth lab had died down theyh just laughed about the joints and said were sorry, but legally we have to take these and that was that no charges or anything.

[scikid]

The psychedelic and more drowsy effects seem to override the paranoia that comes with smoking for me. I never was one to have overwhelming paranoia to begin with though. Smoking does increase my anxiety, which to me would be a major draw back to many opiate users who may like that opiates seem to eliminate anxiety symptoms. MJ products are way stronger and more difficult to maintain in public on if you ingest them IMHO. The psychedelic nature isn't like LSD or mushrooms or anything, but it is definitely there.

Thats weird, I always found it easier to maintain on oral doses. I didn't get paranoid for a years, but now if take more then one or two hits then it could get rough. I also cannot puff sativa dominate strains at all. Only mostly indicas to full indicas for me, but I've always preferred them. I remember in high school making cookies with about a grams worth in each and eating two or maybe more of those. Now if I ate one I would probably have a rough time. Occasionally I will cook up a little bud butter or oil with about a bowls worth of weed and put it on a piece of bread and that is always more then enough. That wouldn't have phased me a few years back.

But you are right that the high is way different and more psychedelic in oral doses, especially if you eat a good amount.

On New Years I took a few hits from a blunt, it was a rough ten to 15 minutes. I quit smoking in June and that was the first time I had smoked anything with Nicotine in it since then. That combined with the herb had me reeling for awhile lol. After that I was fine though but I was drunk.

All in all herb seems to magnify what you are feeling. For my last year when I was smoking all the time I would still only take a hit or two. Anything more then I'd start worrying about homework and what I have to do (it was my senior year of college, I took a few years off so I was bit older then the average student). Now if I smoke to much I start thinking about work.

Its a bitch getting older lol.

[resorcinol]

I find it so weird that for a lot of you guys, oral MJ is LESS anxiety and paranoia provoking than smoking is. For me it's the other way around, smoking is less anxiety / paranoia provoking than eating is.

Not saying you guys are making it up or anything, everyone's body is different and while we all experience the same general psychoactive effects from each drug, everyone's subjective perceptions of the feelings are different.

But I would never eat an MJ food product because it's just a way too noided out anxious high for me. I'd only smoke, and only a few puffs for a light buzz.

I agree that I prefer indica dominant strains simply because they cause less anxiety and paranoia for me. Sativa is more euphoric and giggly for me though, and makes my thought processes change more (the psychedelic side of MJ) than indica does... if it wasn't for the fact that sativa strains seem to cause so much anxiety for me, I'd prefer them. I should note that the anxiety never starts right away; when I smoke a sativa it's super fun at first (more fun than the super stoning glued to the couch indica) but it seems like something always makes me wig out 10 mins into the buzz or so.

That's why this WIN 55 212-2 compound is so intriguing to me. I'm pretty sure the RC chem companies that have it ship it as the freebase. If I were to buy it and try it, I'd first convert it to the HCl or acetate salt. Then I'd measure out say, 500 mg, and dissolve it all in a know qty of water. I'd calculate the concentrate of WIN 55 212-2 hydrochloride in the solution I made, and then take out an amount of the solution containing 2 to 3 mg using a graduated dropper. Then I'd put that under my tongue and wait.

From what I've heard, WIN 55 212-2 is a very sativa like high but with MUCH less paranoia than weed. Plus, I like that: 1) there's no smell
2)The high is probably super clean since it's one pure CB1 agonist. Mixtures of various psychoactive alkaloids in plant material can be great (weed and poppy pods are perfect examples -- PPT was one of my opioids of choice), but I must admit I kinda have a thing for pure isolated drugs.
3)The ROA possibilites of WIN 55 212-2 hydrochloride or WIN 55 212-2 acetate (or any salt of the drug that is freely soluble in water) are very wide (unlike THC, which is a non-alkaloid oily compound that cannot form salts). I'd try oral, sublingual, and insuffulation (most likely with the acetate salt) to see how PURE CB1 agonists feel by different ROAs. Since WIN 55 212-2 acetate is water soluble its absorbtion and bioavailability orally would be more predictible and consistent each and every time than MJ foods are.

For the IV'ers -- WIN 55 212-2 acetate is your opportunity to try banging a CB1 agonist. I'm trying to think about what the effects of IV CB1 agonists would feel like. Since CB1 agonists do activate the mesolimbic reward pathway, I bet IV WIN 55 212-2 acetate would have a decent rush, albeit an odd one (it would have all of the psychedelic effects of MJ type highs hitting you like a freight train at the same time).

Keep in mind that it is a RC, so little is known about it.

Also, d-9-THC, the primary constituant of MJ that gets you high, is only a partial agonist at CB1 receptors (the receptors that are responsible for the psychoactive effects of cannabinoids). I was shocked to find this out too. This MAY be part of the reason that MJ is impossible to OD on. It's not the only reason (look at bupe... it's only a partial mu agonist and opioid naive people can OD on it).

The main reason d-9-THC is impossible or pretty much impossible to OD on is because CB1 receptors aren't found in the brainstem and the area of the midbrain just above the brainstem to any significant degree. This area of the brain is critical to signals for respiration to reach the lungs. Since CB1 receptors are only found in tiny numbers there, MJ poses no respiratory depression risk. CB1 receptors are more concentrated in other areas of the brain such as the VTA and the prefrontal cortex. [opioid mu receptors on the other hand are found in high concentration in the brainstem, midbrain above the brainstem, and the spinal cord -- and have a high overdose hazard when too much is taken]

But since WIN 55 212-2 is a FULL CB1 agonist, and there are SOME CB1 receptors in the above mentioned brainstem areas, it could be possible that WIN 55 212-2 could increase the OD potential of opioids, benzos, and booze when used in combination, where MJ really wouldn't. I still doubt WIN 55 212-2 alone has much OD hazard.

One possible benifit of it being a full CB1 agonist while d-9-THC is only a partial CB1 agonist is that perhaps long term weed smokers who barely feel anything anymore due to extensive tolerance could recapture the more intense cannabinoid buzz with it. People who are highly tolerant to MJ would of course need a higher dose of WIN 55 212-2 acetate than the 3 mg that I would probably need to get a strong buzz.

[Narkotikon]

I can take 3 hits off a bong and be stoned. Anymore than that will make me very paranoid, where I feel like I'm playing mind games with Satan or something. And I tend to get really overly analytical when talking to others. It's kind of like doublespeak. My mind will not allow me to think that people actually meaning what they say. It's like it's all in code, and I have to figure out what their true intentions are. I've not smoked weed since March or April 2005. I like it for the body high, but the mind fuck is just not fun. Plus, it really depends on my mood when I smoke, and who I'm around. If I'm in a bad mood, or I'm around people I don't know that well or don't trust, I think it makes the paranoia worse.

I think it's because I just have a very low tolerance for THC and whatever else is in pot, and because I've sort of programmed myself to associate weed with anxiety. I didn't used to get that way. The first few times I smoked weed, I just got giggly and laughed a lot. Then, after I got stoned around people I wouldn't exactly consider good people, it was total paranoid city after that, even if I smoked alone. I think it sort of programmed my brain to associate the drug's effects with paranoia. Plus, I just think my brain is highly sensitive to pot, and what a normal person would consider typical affects me more profoundly. If I get really stoned, it's almost like an acid trip.

[jimmyfingers]

I dont know if this happens to anyone else, but weed gives my whole body restless leg syndrome. Its a crazy feeling and lasts for about and hour to two. I also start thinking about how bad my life is and start feeling an incredible amount of guilt. My life is pretty good. As Nark said its almost like making deals with the devil.
Ive only smoked really good looking stuff like that strawberry cough but the guy a get it from just calls it weed.
Im going to take benzos next time I smoke to help combat this bullshit

[Narkotikon]

^^^^^^^ That's odd. I've always found the opposite to be true. Weed relaxes my muscles.

[SeVeN]

THanks for adding all the info yall.

I want to use MJ but cannot smoke. I get so NOID. Only time I smoke anymore is if I use MDMA or Shrooms.

I realllllly wanna get back into weed, but wont smoke.

Yall think you still get the paranoia with baking weed into brownines etc?

Holy Fuck have I been fiending for some shrooms recently.

[Hiram]

Holy Fuck have I been fiending for some shrooms recently.


Crites!!!! I've been fiending for the MDMA!

[Mustelid]

Do you just make a tea with water? i never tried that, but have eard that you get few symptons out of it, and mostly you get sedation. thats what ive eard.

THC is not water soluble, but it is fat soluble, so you need the oil, butter works well because it separates from the water as it cools and tastes good. Water works well because it's easy to heat the oil in because boiling holds it exactly at 100 degrees C, right in the decarboxylization temperature range.

[chopstix]

I took about .5-.7/g of dry, good quality indica and sauteed it for about 15 minutes in butter tonight; after sauteing/simmering for 15 minutes, I strained out the green and ate it - yum! Like sauteed basil, tasty..

Then poured in some half/half and milk and heated and dissolved a good dark chocolate bar into it. Made a nice, tasty cup of hot chocolate.

Started coming on within an hour and lasted quite awhile, I never got *really* high, but it was the most I've ever felt from eating it.. The slow come-on was nice, I'm so used to THC hitting me so much quicker.. No question there is more sedation for me with this strain though, it was never un-comfortable and very sedating..

I'll try it again soon with a little more weight..

[scikid]

I took about .5-.7/g of dry, good quality indica and sauteed it for about 15 minutes in butter tonight; after sauteing/simmering for 15 minutes, I strained out the green and ate it - yum! Like sauteed basil, tasty..

Then poured in some half/half and milk and heated and dissolved a good dark chocolate bar into it. Made a nice, tasty cup of hot chocolate.

Started coming on within an hour and lasted quite awhile, I never got *really* high, but it was the most I've ever felt from eating it.. The slow come-on was nice, I'm so used to THC hitting me so much quicker.. No question there is more sedation for me with this strain though, it was never un-comfortable and very sedating..

I'll try it again soon with a little more weight..

I used to always the oil and a small amount of herb. I'd put it on a piece of bread though. The hot chocolate sounds nice.

Anyways I have been puffing tuff over the last few weeks. I don't know what it is but it is way more enjoyable now then it has been for quite some time. I'm drinking less and not using any type of nicotine product now, so maybe that has to do with it.

Crites!!!! I've been fiending for the MDMA!

You should't have a problem finding it this summer.