darren browne detox,anyone?

[father ted]

Seeing its the holiday season-iv been slouched in the sofa watchin lots of shite on the tv..anyway i came accross one of Darren Browne's shows...he's a hypnotist/illusionist based in the uk...hes pretty good-lots of creepy mindgames and weird shit happening...he prides himself on his 'art',and goes to great lenghts to make sure his stunts are as believable as possible....
So,it got me thinkin...what if he had someone close to him that managed to get addicted to opiates.Could/would he be able to put that person in one of his hypnotic states-alter they're way of thinkin...so that when they come through the thought of taking opiates would disgust them!!???
For those that know the guy im talkin about will know....he is very intelligent and believable......

.....................DISCUSS..................

[rockbottom]

i dont know-- but a stage hypnotist got my x girl to act like a chicken on stage--and she didnt remember shit about it and refused to believe she did it---i know it works for smoking and weight loss in some people------but im not suseptable myself

[Seedy]

That dude is pretty amazing I'd love to see him try but I think it would be out of his league, opiate withdrawals are too intense and all encompassing - it's not just a mind thing.

[Raz]

Wats up Ted.....Ya dont come around anymore?;).........
I'm off to see the pikeys mate, ol Darren Browne can do wat the fuck he likes, i know what Mr Brown i'll be seein inna fuckin minute....And wiv de ol snide nifty's it dont even feel like i'm payin for it,ya know!!:cool:

Glad to see your checkin in and still alive...Hows the habit, got one or not?.....Not too sure about this geezer stoppin my cluck, been a long time on this juice now.....And i'm off to do me monday reload, well you know how it is....:)....

[underide]

Oh yeah, i've seen a quite recent one of his shows, where he (D. Brown) puts this young bloke into a catatonic state, using a fake photo-booth and flys this young guy from London out to Marakesh (Morocco), all the while the young chap being in a hypnotic/catatonic state

Once they get to Morocco, they set up the same booth and bring the guy out of his deep trance.
So basically all the guy knows is, he walked into a photobooth in London to get some passport photos for a visa for his 'free' trip to Morocco, and the next minute he's in Morocco, without any recollection of the almost 2 thousand miles plane journey from London to Morocco


Here's a shortened version of what went down. pretty freaky stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYggVKD7sxw

and a shorter part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjsdnrjNzs&feature=related

[pharmboy]

He might be able to hypnotize someone into stopping opiates but I bet he

can't hypnotize you to NOT feel the W/D symptoms when you do. .:jumping-s

Good to have a man of the cloth on board. Ever see Drugstore Cowboy ?

[blutuesday]

LOL...my dad has said a few times "What about hypnosis?" to try to "CURE" my heroin addiction.

[Indy]

I dunno....i mean, i really really doubt it. I'd be willing to bet that hypnosis would at least HELP with the part AFTER the withdrawals are over. I mean it's all about behavior modification, same with (to an extent) quitting smoking or losing weight. BUT i don't think it would have any chance against real physical withdrawals. The lack of endorphins caused by withdrawal is a very real and physically measurable phenomenon, it's not just a mental thing. Hypnosis can't cause the brain to start producing those endorphins again just like that. If it could, nobody would go to their dealer, they'd go to the hypnotist.

But for those people who are past the physical withdrawals and are having trouble coping with life without opiates, yeah, i think it could HELP. Anything that can help you change your behavior can HELP. the problem is, these are all very little things, like 1% that you can do to make it a little bit less difficult here, and a little bit less difficult there, but in the end, it's still gonna be a painful, slow (and boring), and challenging process mentally and physically.

I think in the not-so-near to the not-so-distant (next 100 years) they'll be able to manipulate the brain in a way such that they'll be able to control how many endorphins your brain produces. i'd be more excited about this if it didn't ALSO mean that they (whoever "they" will be at that time) could put someone in a living, breathing hell (imagine living without endorphins. actually, don't, that's just sick. it'd be the worst possible withdrawal that could happen, where your brain STOPS producing endorphins, and it would never, ever get any better. the "plus" side of this is a 'withdrawal' that severe would also most likely kill you)

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I think it would be out of his league, opiate withdrawals are too intense and all encompassing - it's not just a mind thing.
What he ^ said

[nycjrt]

Oh yeah, i've seen a quite recent one of his shows, where he (D. Brown) puts this young bloke into a catatonic state, using a fake photo-booth and flys this young guy from London out to Marakesh (Morocco), all the while the young chap being in a hypnotic/catatonic state

Once they get to Morocco, they set up the same booth and bring the guy out of his deep trance.
So basically all the guy knows is, he walked into a photobooth in London to get some passport photos for a visa for his 'free' trip to Morocco, and the next minute he's in Morocco, without any recollection of the almost 2 thousand miles plane journey from London to Morocco


Here's a shortened version of what went down. pretty freaky stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYggVKD7sxw

and a shorter part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBjsdnrjNzs&feature=related

what a load of bullshit- worst acting i've ever seen- freakiest thing is that people are gullible enough to believe it (although i'm not surprised)

[Narkotikon]

I feel either like I'm in a confessional or that I'm in some Catholic high school and the priest is doing odd things with a ruler against his leg.

But, no, I honestly don't think hypnosis would be a "cure" for addiction of any type.

[duck]

what a load of bullshit- worst acting i've ever seen- freakiest thing is that people are gullible enough to believe it (although i'm not surprised)

What he said.

[underide]

what a load of bullshit- worst acting i've ever seen- freakiest thing is that people are gullible enough to believe it (although i'm not surprised)

actually the dude (in the photobooth) was very real - if you were ever over this side of the pond you would see just what i mean
they run his programmes quite regaularly here, he's probably one of the best hypnotists/illusionists in the world

but the dude they put in photo booth was chosen at random - the chanel 4 executives and independent journalists confirmed that the process is legit


he (D.Brown) did have one slip up, but that was when he was doing a trick on himself a couple of years ago
but he did admit that he just failed and looked quite embarrassed on Channel4 news

oh by the way - they do root canals under hypnosis over here/In the UK in certain clinics, and the patients feel ZERO pain apparently while under hypnosis

but withdrawal is a much longer process so that might be 'not very successful, who knows...
any volunteers?

[underide]

I dunno....i mean, i really really doubt it. I'd be willing to bet that hypnosis would at least HELP with the part AFTER the withdrawals are over. I mean it's all about behavior modification, same with (to an extent) quitting smoking or losing weight. BUT i don't think it would have any chance against real physical withdrawals. The lack of endorphins caused by withdrawal is a very real and physically measurable phenomenon, it's not just a mental thing. Hypnosis can't cause the brain to start producing those endorphins again just like that. If it could, nobody would go to their dealer, they'd go to the hypnotist.

But for those people who are past the physical withdrawals and are having trouble coping with life without opiates, yeah, i think it could HELP. Anything that can help you change your behavior can HELP. the problem is, these are all very little things, like 1% that you can do to make it a little bit less difficult here, and a little bit less difficult there, but in the end, it's still gonna be a painful, slow (and boring), and challenging process mentally and physically.



I definately agree on that
It's all about 'behaviour' modification' and with a 'right' therapist/hypnotist i think it can be quite possible (at least for some) to be able to beat the cravings/psychological addiction

They way they do it in other forms of hypno therapies is going by the theory and practice, that any addiction/fear/compulsive disorder is a 'learned' process, which means that you consciously learn and code yourself to the process (of addiction in this case)
what some therapists have been able to do (at least with agoraphobics/chronic ocd suffereres, etc...) is that hypnosis can help 'de-code' and reverse the process

and ofcourse addiction can be a major part of the mindset which can be manipulated at least to a degree (i believe)
It's been done with OCD, so it might well be possible with opiate addiction

[losangeleslifer]

Never heard of the guy. Maybe I need more BBC.

[underide]

oh by the way - they do root canals under hypnosis over here/In the UK in certain clinics, and the patients feel ZERO pain apparently while under hypnosis

here's what i'm talking about, btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf24vuDiXg

pretty fucking amazing, ^^^^^ that….. here's what i'm talking about...pretty amazing what our minds and hypnosis (propperly applied) are capable of

and having gone through a few root canals myself, even the large doses of local aneasthetics and painkilleres weren't able to make me feel pain-free during the procedure

they also have a discovery channel episode explaining how hypnosis can work in dental surgery even better than local anesthetics, and showing a veruy similar procedure being done in your own country

the problem with that kinda therapy is that not everybody can be put under hypnosis - some people just don't respond to it for whatever reasons

here's that Discovery episode, anyway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_UfJ2by4k

what a load of bullshit- worst acting i've ever seen- freakiest thing is that people are gullible enough to believe it (although i'm not surprised)


Nycjrt - i'm guessing that you just haven't done your research or possess any proper knowledge on the subject of hypnosis and what it is capable of, so you call anyone who believes in hypnosis and the ability of hypnotize someone for over 12 hours, without them having any proper recollection while being in the catatonic state (and yes, it is quite possible according to academic literature to do just that - like that bloke from the 'photo booth episode with Dr.Brown) a gullible idiot


so Nycjrt - suck me lefty hairy one, you div

Edit: - sorry for starting a shit slinging episode....shoulda taken it to the PBOYIC, but i'm not sure whether Nycjrt is a member there

[nycjrt]

here's what i'm talking about, btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf24vuDiXg
Nycjrt - i'm guessing that you just haven't done your research or possess any proper knowledge on the subject of hypnosis and what it is capable of, so you call anyone who believes in hypnosis and the ability of hypnotize someone for over 12 hours, without them having any proper recollection while being in the catatonic state (and yes, it is quite possible according to academic literature to do just that - like that bloke from the 'photo booth episode with Dr.Brown) a gullible idiot
so Nycjrt - suck me lefty hairy one, you div
Edit: - sorry for starting a shit slinging episode....shoulda taken it to the PBOYIC, but i'm not sure whether Nycjrt is a member there
a bit touchy aren't we- just because i called out your silly clip as blatantly FAKE - i'm not contending that all hypnosis is a sham, i was simply commenting on that ridiculous clip you posted with the retarded-looking quiet riot-reject - i would think even a gullible assclown like yourself could step back and be a bit objective - the whole premise and set up is obviously scripted e.g. waking up in the middle of the night with an urgent need to take a passport photo, happening to stumble upon an open one...transporting a comatose person across international borders (i've seen drunk people get denied entry at Heathrow), i could go on for days, but am not going to waste my time as i have some criss angel reruns to catch up on:rolleyes:

[underide]

a bit touchy aren't we- just because i called out your silly clip as blatantly FAKE - i'm not contending that all hypnosis is a sham, i was simply commenting on that ridiculous clip you posted with the retarded-looking quiet riot-reject - i would think even a gullible assclown like yourself could step back and be a bit objective - the whole premise and set up is obviously scripted e.g. waking up in the middle of the night with an urgent need to take a passport photo, happening to stumble upon an open one...transporting a comatose person across international borders (i've seen drunk people get denied entry at Heathrow), i could go on for days, but am not going to waste my time as i have some criss angel reruns to catch up on:rolleyes:

you don't know the full story though, as i say - the bloke was chosen at random, and both the channel4 c
cheifs and independent media vouched for the episode as legit

if you take time to watch the whole episode, you would even see how the airport customs were taken care off (all through hidden cameras), you twat

once again, i'm not saying 100% yeah, that was real, but if you knew anything about the possibilities of the mind manipulation provided a very qualilified/skilled hypnotist like Dr.Brown, i'm inclined to actually believe it and not just because of that episode, but because i've seen him at work in other of his shows and even read some of the secrets that he gave away on mind manipulation

and calling something an outright set up without knowing the full story and without any solid argument other than "that was some worst acting i ever saw" just falls flat, as far as solid aruments are concerned

oh, and there was a follow up on the programme - i haven't seen it - a mate of mine has though, apparently the follow up further proves that it wasn't just a scam like you say it is, you fecking tit!! =p

[father ted]

forgot 'bout tis one!...sup raz&'ride.....

you really have to be in uk or eire to get what darren brownes' about...im the worlds biggest sceptic,but if there was a snip of evidence to say brownes illusions were set-up..it would be splashed about the tabloids and everyone would know...so i have to say that he's very believeable...and i aint a fool...

anyway-what i see now is that;with an average addict the phisical withdrawals would just get in the way of success...but think he/any hypnotist help in someone with a pretty mild addiction....

[nycjrt]

you don't know the full story though, as i say - the bloke was chosen at random, and both the channel4 c
cheifs and independent media vouched for the episode as legit

if you take time to watch the whole episode, you would even see how the airport customs were taken care off (all through hidden cameras), you twat

once again, i'm not saying 100% yeah, that was real, but if you knew anything about the possibilities of the mind manipulation provided a very qualilified/skilled hypnotist like Dr.Brown, i'm inclined to actually believe it and not just because of that episode, but because i've seen him at work in other of his shows and even read some of the secrets that he gave away on mind manipulation

and calling something an outright set up without knowing the full story and without any solid argument other than "that was some worst acting i ever saw" just falls flat, as far as solid aruments are concerned

oh, and there was a follow up on the programme - i haven't seen it - a mate of mine has though, apparently the follow up further proves that it wasn't just a scam like you say it is, you fecking tit!! =p

so, basically you are conceding that there is a possibility it's not '100% yeah" , relying on a mate's testimony that they saw a show backing the scheme up (why would they need to do such a thing if it was legit?) ...i'm not usually drawn into these weak ass internet arguments but if you want to come out and start confronting me as a 'twat' , etc. you had best be man enough to back up your arguments- bottom line is other posters agreed the video was WACK ( both on this site and on google comments) - i had no beef with you but if you are so touchy and over sensitive about a corny-ass t.v. show you have some deeper issues to resolve- perhaps hypnotism can help you get over the fact your dad donkey-punched you repeatedly throughout your formative years, and mom was simply there as a felch-bot vacuum for the rest of the audience?!?

[underide]

you're the one who's continuing the argument , oh toothless one...

and those other people that agreed with you saying that the episode was "WHACK", you mean that n00b 'Duck', that said - "yeah, what he said"

well that's just one person, Shane.....


there was only ONE person that agreed with you, that the episode was 'WHACK'
all the other posters stayed on topic, (unlike me and you) and were debating the possibility of hypnotherapy as use of addiction cure

i guess there's no point arguing with you any further, since i doubt i'd be able to get anything through that thick skull of yours....and i have simply no desire to, either

[devilsdrug]

its all BULLshit====