Please sub my subs

[alowishus]

I spent all last night looking through all the old posts (as much as my droppy half-alive eyes could bare) but has anyone had any fun mixing subs w/ val's.
I mean other then the normal. There's no risk of od'ing is there at high doses of val's?
Seems mixing anything these days will kill someone somewhere....:(

As far as I can tell the subs kill the val buzz (albeit not much of a buzz to begin w/)

It sucks SOOO bad being Rx'ed every drug know to man BUT none that will work and help, to say nothing of making me feel better. :mad:

[chopstix]

Valium will potentiate anything you can get from the subs, but, at best, it's not gonna be much, if anything, for most junkies...

I've had many a nod from the combo, but I can feel 1mg bup consistently.. I used to shoot it (bup) a lot cos of that and that it'll put me to sleep..

It's pretty hard to OD on Valium w/out another CNS depressant, which bup is, but I'm guessing a typical opi tolerance will null that risk.

[alowishus]

Valium will potentiate anything you can get from the subs, but, at best, it's not gonna be much, if anything, for most junkies...

I've had many a nod from the combo, but I can feel 1mg bup consistently.. I used to shoot it (bup) a lot cos of that and that it'll put me to sleep..

It's pretty hard to OD on Valium w/out another CNS depressant, which bup is, but I'm guessing a typical opi tolerance will null that risk.


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[Tea Time]

You should be fine taking the subs with valium. I never had any problem taking both together.

When the bupe programs first started up, they were discouraging doctors from prescribing benzos to their bupe patients for two reasons: 1.) benzos obviously have the potential to be abused and if a person is a bupe patient, they obviously have drug abuse issues. 2.) During their clinical trials (especially in France) there were OD's and OD deaths that involved benzos and bupe. However, almost all of these OD's and OD deaths involved using IV benzos and bupe.

With that being said, you should be fine taking both. Just be careful and use common sense. Later,

TT

By the way, wasn't the Repo Man soundtrack all punk music? I seem to remember Suicidal Tendencies on there but it's been a long time and I can't remember.

*EDIT* - Nevermind, I got my answer. You are right though, lot's of good stuff there - Circle Jerks, Iggy Pop, and Black Flag to name a few...

[Narkotikon]

I did use seeds on Thursday, last day I used any opiates. It's what, Wednedsay now, so it's been six days without opiates, and about two weeks since I last used a sub. I was curious to see if a little Xanax would potentiate the seed high. It didn't, in fact I think it killed it. Maybe it was just not strong enough seeds, or the Xanax and not another benzo, but it immediately turned that warm / glowy feeling from the seeds, into nothing. I like a pure opiate high. No mixing.

I will say that I think it's stupid for Sub doctors to NOT give even small doses of benzos for either patients with real anxiety disorders, or at least for Sub-detox. Yes, if you shoot your subs and benzos, there's a risk, but who would want to shoot Suboxone with Narcan in it. If it was Subutex, I could understand, but I've never gotten Tex, only Subs. And a short-term supply of benzos isn't going to get anyone addicted. If they abuse them and take more than prescribed, then they just won't get another script. But they act like prescribing 20 .5 K-pins is out of the question. It's ridiculous. Just because you're an opiate addict doesn't mean you don't deserve proper pain control, or control for anxiety with things that do work, like short-term benzo scripts.

[chopstix]

Any benzo *will* potentiate an opiate high, simple fact.. Just like alcohol or barbs or whatever, truth is most opioid overdoses are actually a poly-substance OD brought on by potentiation..

Weak seeds or not enough Xanax, be fucking careful though..

[Bluemagician]

Well, if you feel anything at all from bupe, a benzo will indeed add to it.. When I first went on bupe, if I took a couple of xanies, or some valium, I would nod my ass off, but now that I'm tolerant, if I take any benzos, it's pretty much just the benzo high I feel, with maybe a litte bit of the opiate warmth.. If you don't feel the bupe when taken normally, and don't enjoy the benzo high by itself, it's probably not worth it.. But you can't go wrong either way if you enjoy taking benzos by themselves.

[chopstix]

But you can't go wrong either way if you enjoy taking benzos by themselves.

You could go very wrong if you mixed the two and you were opiate naive - not only a likely OD, but a very difficult OD to reverse, due to bup's extremely high binding affinity..

Kinda pedantic but important for people to know.

[chopstix]

By the BY Chop's I love that song, and the Repo man sound track IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME BAR NONE!!!

When and if I get my server back up I'll seed the sound track for all you non-knowers.

Check it out HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repo_Man_%281984_film%29)

http://forum.opiophile.org/showpost.php?p=327857&postcount=156

:D - CLASSIC

[alowishus]

I've taken over 100mg of vals today and don't feel a thing. Fucking sucks!!!
Now I nee so OC's!! :D

[Bluemagician]

Woops, sorry, I didn't really take into account those that were opiate niave taking the subs and benzo combo.. Anyone who is opiate niave and takes any opiate and benzo combo is playing with their life.. The opinion I gave was meant for those that were taking subs for detox/addictiom reasons. Even when I'd been off of opiates for a while, I never found subs to be that euphoric.. I assumed that the OP was taking the subs for an opiate addiction. If they stated they were opiate niave, firstly I would of sugested NOT taking subs for recreation, as bupenorphine usually just makes the individual feel the usual opiate upset stomach, without much euphoria, and secondly I would of stated the obviously bad idea of mixing any opiate with a benzo without any type of tolerance. Aren't the few bupe overdoses all related to IV bupe mixed with benzos?

[Narkotikon]

Any benzo *will* potentiate an opiate high, simple fact.. Just like alcohol or barbs or whatever, truth is most opioid overdoses are actually a poly-substance OD brought on by potentiation..

Weak seeds or not enough Xanax, be fucking careful though..

Yeah, I know that's the general rule of thumb. Benzos and things like Vistaril and even Phenergan in small doses can potentiate the opiate high. And these were great seeds. Very dark, and made a dark, bitter brew. It was great, then about three hours into it, I took a milligram of Xanax, and it just totally killed it. Took the warmth and turned it into a "cold" glow. I don't know what was the problem. Maybe it was that I took too much Xanax, or that Xanax wasn't the best benzo to use. I still prefer a "plain" opiate high. Nothing can beat it. I've never been into combining things. I'll never do that again. I love my opiates too much to "ruin" it.

[Seedy]

Woops, sorry, I didn't really take into account those that were opiate niave taking the subs and benzo combo.. Anyone who is opiate niave and takes any opiate and benzo combo is playing with their life.. The opinion I gave was meant for those that were taking subs for detox/addictiom reasons. Even when I'd been off of opiates for a while, I never found subs to be that euphoric.. I assumed that the OP was taking the subs for an opiate addiction. If they stated they were opiate niave, firstly I would of sugested NOT taking subs for recreation, as bupenorphine usually just makes the individual feel the usual opiate upset stomach, without much euphoria, and secondly I would of stated the obviously bad idea of mixing any opiate with a benzo without any type of tolerance. Aren't the few bupe overdoses all related to IV bupe mixed with benzos?

man in my experience if you get the dose right the opiate naiive can get a very nice buzz off subs - i'm talking 0.5mg. most people i've seen on that dose have loved it. one in maybe 7 couldn't handle it at all but that goes for opiates in general i think. some even prefer it to oxy in equivalent doses (it seems to me for the opiate naiive 0.5mg sub = ~ 15-20mg oxy.)

[Indy]

Yeah, I know that's the general rule of thumb. Benzos and things like Vistaril and even Phenergan in small doses can potentiate the opiate high. And these were great seeds. Very dark, and made a dark, bitter brew. It was great, then about three hours into it, I took a milligram of Xanax, and it just totally killed it. Took the warmth and turned it into a "cold" glow. I don't know what was the problem. Maybe it was that I took too much Xanax, or that Xanax wasn't the best benzo to use. I still prefer a "plain" opiate high. Nothing can beat it. I've never been into combining things. I'll never do that again. I love my opiates too much to "ruin" it.


I have the same exact thing with benzo's, i even just posted in that other benzo topic. Maybe it has to do with seed tea specifically? Weird.

[chopstix]

Huh, not for me. If I'm loaded, heroin being my OOC; but hydro, poppy tea or sometimes oxy and *any* benzo or depressant really, might as well have dope in it. I just get more and more loaded, noddy, itchy, pinned, warm, fuzzy, slurry, etc...

If I shoot dope, then chewing up Valium or drinking vodka is really just like doing more dope.

man in my experience if you get the dose right the opiate naiive can get a very nice buzz off subs - i'm talking 0.5mg. most people i've seen on that dose have loved it. one in maybe 7 couldn't handle it at all but that goes for opiates in general i think. some even prefer it to oxy in equivalent doses (it seems to me for the opiate naiive 0.5mg sub = ~ 15-20mg oxy.)

Curious cos I don't know any straight people that take bup for recreation: do you think someone with no opiate tolerance could handle, say, 2mg bup and 2 full bars (4mg) Xanax? Seems dangerous to me but I really don't know.

[alowishus]

I did use seeds on Thursday, last day I used any opiates. It's what, Wednedsay now, so it's been six days without opiates, and about two weeks since I last used a sub. I was curious to see if a little Xanax would potentiate the seed high. It didn't, in fact I think it killed it. Maybe it was just not strong enough seeds, or the Xanax and not another benzo, but it immediately turned that warm / glowy feeling from the seeds, into nothing. I like a pure opiate high. No mixing.

I will say that I think it's stupid for Sub doctors to NOT give even small doses of benzos for either patients with real anxiety disorders, or at least for Sub-detox. Yes, if you shoot your subs and benzos, there's a risk, but who would want to shoot Suboxone with Narcan in it. If it was Subutex, I could understand, but I've never gotten Tex, only Subs. And a short-term supply of benzos isn't going to get anyone addicted. If they abuse them and take more than prescribed, then they just won't get another script. But they act like prescribing 20 .5 K-pins is out of the question. It's ridiculous. Just because you're an opiate addict doesn't mean you don't deserve proper pain control, or control for anxiety with things that do work, like short-term benzo scripts.


Nark, my junky fucked up out of your head friend, you are a couple days away from useng opies, and 2 weekd from subs are you in w/d's of any kind (beside the mental "I want to kill me self" that is)? if so, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE and I ask of you PLEASE just hold on as long as you can ---- back away from the drugs, do all the benszos you want, or speed or coke or even drink a case of Johny Walker Black.

But Think you are so close to being able to get your tolerence down--- down to something none of us can do just think of the reward you will get at the end of it......come on do it for the board be strong you fucker!!!

You Can do IT!!!

[Matul]

REPO MAN is coming on channel 167 (Comcast) think its INDIE?...at 5:45am...bout an hour and a half from now))))

[alowishus]

REPO MAN is coming on channel 167 (Comcast) think its INDIE?...at 5:45am...bout an hour and a half from now))))

I got the DVD, but I love to watch it any chance I get, fucking great, I love thge plain white cans that just say "BEER", or the other stuff that just says FOOD".

On another topic, I think IFC is the BEST FUCKING CHANNEL OUT THERE TODAY BAR NONE.
I won'y get any other cable package if it hasn't got IFC, Fucking love that channel. I'll stay up until 5 or 6 to whatch whatevers now. Samurai saturdays IS THE FUCKING BEST, it at 5,6,7,8,am on sat but it's wWELL worth it if you like black and white old Samurai movies from Japan.

Matul you are alright in my book. :D

[Matul]

Ever see the Lone Wolf and Cub/Baby Cart at the River Styx movies, they made them into a film called 'Shogun Assassin' back in the 80s....good shit!

[Seedy]

^^ I watched shogun assassin the other day that's a hardcore movie, i love the way the blood spurts! but in general I prefer old kung fu movies over samurai flicks, the fighting is way more spectacular.

[ryan]

Whenever I combine benzos with full agonist opiates (not bupe), the benzos do not potentiate the opiate high, they take away from it. They turn the normal opiate warmth and buzzing\itchy feeling into a cold, sleepy feeling. For me, benzos basically ruin opiates. I tried combining them a long time ago and I hated it. I will never do that again.

When I'm on bupe (and have been for awhile), benzos don't really make me feel it anymore than I normally do, which isn't much at all. They do however make me want to do large amounts of cocaine...
And normally I hate cocaine, but if I take a lot of benzos and am on bupe, all I can think about is doing coke! Probably a mental \ substitution thing, since I know that I can't use my DOC.

[Tea Time]

Curious cos I don't know any straight people that take bup for recreation: do you think someone with no opiate tolerance could handle, say, 2mg bup and 2 full bars (4mg) Xanax? Seems dangerous to me but I really don't know.

Honestly I really don't think that they could. Even someone with a low tolerance might have issues with a dose of that size. In the formulations used to treat pain, the doses are significantly lower than 2mg. Buprenex is 0.3mg and Temgesic is 0.2mg - So a dose of 2mg would between 6 and 10 times larger than the recommended dosage of either 0.2mg or 0.3mg.

I'm not saying that the person would die or anything like that. Bupe does not cause the severe respiratory depression that other pure opiate agonists do...however adding in 4mg of alprazolam could make this a pretty dangerous proposition for someone that is completely opiate naive.

I don't have any personal experience taking bupe when opiate naive, however the wife of a guy I know from the PORG did try bupe with a low tolerance. She takes hydrocodone infrequently so she was not opiate naive but she did have a low tolerance. Anyway, she wanted to try his subutex. Fearing that 8mg would be way too much, he cut the pill into quarters and she took 2mg. She ended up getting all of the unpleasant symptoms that come with taking a larger dose than you should have: very bad nausea, a horrible headache, vomiting, etc.

So needless to say, I don't think that 2mg of bupe plus 4mg of xanax is a suitable dose from someone that is opiate naive or even someone that has a low tolerance.