question..

[caesee]

A friend of mine just moved down to my area from florida. He does not have any records yet (docs office said 1-2 weeks to recieve) but he does have an empty bottle of his meds, i belive norcos, or some form of hydro. He just moved here and is basically broke, he does not want to waste money on a doc for no reason. Do you think by explaining to the doc his problem, and showing the empty med bottle he would likely to be prescibed the same med?? SWIM offered to help him with oxy or morph, but he only will take hydro, and only if presribed..hehe he only person I know like that..any thoughts?

[ZodiacKiller]

Well, I'm sure he'd still have to pay for an office visit, even if it's a Redi-Med or something like that (actually, I think most of those kinds of places have a no-opiate/benzo policy, so that probably won't do him any good).

But I think if he has a legitimite script from another state, and a corresponding reason for needing the drug, he should be able to get what he needs. Of course he should follow the proper protocol so as not to be labeled a drug-seeker, that goes without saying...

Strange his policy of only hydro, and only if prescribed, though.

[caesee]

we went to the doc today...lol, he explianed his issue, showed the doc the rx bottle, and gave his old docs numbers for him to call. The new doc gave him 10 5-500 vics, and said go to pain clinic, we are not that liberal with opaites in ca....he finnaly decided to take some percs from SWIM, kinda funny i have no problem getting opaites, and this doc usually has given then out like candy..wonder is the gov. is comming down on him..

[satori]

when my back gets bad i wish i had friends like caesee..... if we could just clone caesee and his contacts and put 10 in every state we would all be better off. I will call this the Caesee expansion Program.

[caesee]

when my back gets bad i wish i had friends like caesee..... if we could just clone caesee and his contacts and put 10 in every state we would all be better off. I will call this the Caesee expansion Program.


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :cool: :cool:

[flipside]

, kinda funny i have no problem getting opaites, and this doc usually has given then out like candy..wonder is the gov. is comming down on him..

More than likely that's exactly what's happening. After the DEA called my doc, I was told I had to go to a pain clinic also.All this new legislation involving schedule II's and sometimes III's require long term narcotic treatment to be prescribed only by a pain doctor, because the way the new laws are written it must be "within the scope of a doctor's normal practice to routinely prescribe for and manage chronic pain" That is why all these pain clinics are popping up everywhere, problem is most of them are strictly interventional , not medication management based except in the most extreme cases. These clinics were originslly supposed to make acess to narcotic managemtn easier not more difficult, depends on the individual doc and his or her affiliations.Not to mention the waiting lists to get in, then the screening process and then if your lucky and they grace you with acceptance into their program you still may not get the solutions you are seeking. Sucks, big time!

[exitwound]

A friend of mine just moved down to my area from florida. He does not have any records yet (docs office said 1-2 weeks to recieve) but he does have an empty bottle of his meds, i belive norcos, or some form of hydro. He just moved here and is basically broke, he does not want to waste money on a doc for no reason. Do you think by explaining to the doc his problem, and showing the empty med bottle he would likely to be prescibed the same med?? SWIM offered to help him with oxy or morph, but he only will take hydro, and only if presribed..hehe he only person I know like that..any thoughts?

People like that are damn weird.

[ssjTiamat]

More than likely that's exactly what's happening. After the DEA called my doc, I was told I had to go to a pain clinic also.All this new legislation involving schedule II's and sometimes III's require long term narcotic treatment to be prescribed only by a pain doctor, because the way the new laws are written it must be "within the scope of a doctor's normal practice to routinely prescribe for and manage chronic pain" That is why all these pain clinics are popping up everywhere, problem is most of them are strictly interventional , not medication management based except in the most extreme cases. These clinics were originslly supposed to make acess to narcotic managemtn easier not more difficult, depends on the individual doc and his or her affiliations.Not to mention the waiting lists to get in, then the screening process and then if your lucky and they grace you with acceptance into their program you still may not get the solutions you are seeking. Sucks, big time!

You know what... I somewhat agree. I mean sure... that COULD be the case.. but...

I have noticed in cases where a particular Dr. normally prescribes opiates for one person then a new patient comes along, it is the policy of the Dr. to try and set a precedant on a per patient basis. So he may tell your buddy that he or Dr.'s in general, or whatever may not be liberal with pain killers on that first visit. But I would be willing to bet that if your buddy went to this guy on a consistant basis and also provided those records once they arrived that he would eventually get whatever he needed. Of course providing stronger meds are warranted based on his condition.

Moral of the story here is to not give up on the doc. Yea.. most of them are pompus, stuck up, my shit don't stink assholes. BUT, if he was willing to at least give him something, and YOU are getting the strength of meds that suites your needs (medically of course), then chances are that he has no problme writing if the situation warrants it. I would say your buddy should be lucky he got the vic's, try and supplement those with whatever SWIM will give/sell to him and then make a regular monthly appointment or whatever with that Doc. and all should work out. It may seem like alot... but honestly doing that may end up being easier than dealing with a pain clinic. I mean.. even tho thats what a pain clinic is SUPPOSED to be for, lately they all seem to be more paranoid about giving out opiate pain meds then anyone else.

ssj

[caesee]

well i did him a favor and let him see my doc, which i never do..he ended up wth 180 norco, with 3 refills..my doc is shit...ok time for bed, been playing poker for the last 16 hours...:o

[exitwound]

well i did him a favor and let him see my doc, which i never do..he ended up wth 180 norco, with 3 refills..my doc is shit...ok time for bed, been playing poker for the last 16 hours...:o

180 norcos and 3 refills?! Hot damn! I'd bend over and kiss my own ass for that kind of breakthrough script to go with my LA meds :(

[shaunclo]

People like that are damn weird.

Why do you say that EW??

[caesee]

180 norcos and 3 refills?! Hot damn! I'd bend over and kiss my own ass for that kind of breakthrough script to go with my LA meds :(

hehe thats 2 times...:D

[exitwound]

hehe thats 2 times...:D

It's all I can think of to describe how badly I want more medication other than morphine :(

[opiobsessed]

I've got a huge stack of current records at the big hospital I was at when I had my 3rd major surgery 2 months ago. However I'm also sadly labled as an addict on my 3rd surgery. Now what I want to know is? if I go to the hospital and get a copy of some current records so I can get the pain relief I need. Will those records have some kind of writing on them stating throughout that I'm an addict? also will my suboxone doctor find out that I got a copy of my records? my sub doctor works out of the same hospital my records are at etc, thats why I asked everyone that question. Any suggestions etc would be greatly appreciated thanks.

[exitwound]

You can always remove (or just not send to the ROP) any sections of your records which mention addiction.

[satori]

I dont think they will have it. Its POSSIBLE they could have it under pre-existing conditions or health problems but im not sure if it would be on any specific form.

[caesee]

a freind of mine confeesed to his doc that was addicted to percs, and vics, and wanted some meds to help withdrawls. The doc, told him to go check into a detox center, which he laughed and walked out. About a month later he got his records and seperate page had it listed said somehing like "pantient addicted to perocet, and vicoden, and was cosulted on detox". He ripped that page out, sent his records to a rop, and had no problem.

[ssjTiamat]

I've got a huge stack of current records at the big hospital I was at when I had my 3rd major surgery 2 months ago. However I'm also sadly labled as an addict on my 3rd surgery. Now what I want to know is? if I go to the hospital and get a copy of some current records so I can get the pain relief I need. Will those records have some kind of writing on them stating throughout that I'm an addict? also will my suboxone doctor find out that I got a copy of my records? my sub doctor works out of the same hospital my records are at etc, thats why I asked everyone that question. Any suggestions etc would be greatly appreciated thanks.

OK.. here's the deal. I have about 2.5 years experience with a couple different R.O.P.'s so here is what I can tell you from my experience.

First of all, you have the absolute right to any or all of your medical records. As a standard practice, doctors ARE NOT notified every time a patient gets copies of their records. Now if for some odd reason your doctor happens to inquire why you obtained copies of your records, and you don't want to tell him to "get bent" you can always say, "I am thinking about switching plans with my insurance carrier and to get an accurate quote on the cost, I need to supply them with current records." It is that simple and your doc. shouldn't question that reasoning.

Secondly, as far as your records stating your addiction status. Anything your doctor decides to put into your records is up to him/her. They usually use portions of the office visit documentation to make their notes during your visit with them so that it is easier for their notes to stay with your records. Now if for whatever reason you were "labeled" as an addict after your third surgery - it is most likely only noted in one or maybe two places. It will NOT be labled throughout the records like for example as a heading on every page of the records. They just do not do that. So whatever page(s) state you are an addict can always easily be removed. One side note on this however:

--See I am of the mindset that the patient is a doctors CUSTOMER. And just like in any business wishing to stay in business the customer must always be taken care of in a manner that is considered satisfactory to the customer themselves. Now of course we all know that the "high and mighty" doctors of the world do not see it that way and we are not going to change their minds anytime soon. But still, try to see it that way. Anyway... that being said, I am not sure of the circumstances under which you were labeled an "addict", but it seems to me that after a THIRD surgery you don't have much of a choice about being an addict considering the amount of pain I'm sure you were in. And there IS a difference between being an addict and being "dependant" on pain meds (but that is a discussion for a later thread). Anyway, being that you have a legit reason for being on pain meds due to the surgery I would fight to have the word "addict" expunged from your records! Simply because to have a word that strong follow your medical history and future in your records can cause you all sorts of problems. If you decide to fight it, which is possible, I have had things removed from my records, just be careful how you do it and who you talk to to initiate the process.

Ok.. back on track now...so no! It will not state "you are an addict" throughout your records. Ok.. so if you are planning on using your records to hook up with an OP, you really only need 1 or at most 2 pages of your records to be faxed to them. And the page(s) you need would be the summary "report" page(s). Like the report from an MRI or the report from a post-op check up or even the pre-op diagnosis. All the OP is looking to have on file for you is something that shows a valid reason that you would need to be prescribed narcotic pain meds, and the pages I mentioned would be sufficient. If nec. you could even white out something that you think would hurt your cause, then make a copy of the page (just to be sure it looks legit still) and then fax it. I have done that to change dates on MRI reports before. It works out just dandy!

Hope that info helps. Let us know how it turns out or if you have any more concerns.

ssj

[opiobsessed]

Thanks everyone for your help and tips, got it sent today so hopefully I will be pain free this weekend or this coming week.