(New Drug Czar *** YOU *** )

[pharmboy]

Ok here's the deal, Obama called and he's picked you ( Yes YOU ) as the new

Drug Czar. What are you going to do ? Legalize everything ? Some things ?

How about taxes ? Take it as far as you want it's up to you Mr/Mrs/Ms Drug

Czar.

[Duckfeet]

I'd abolish the FDA, make all drugs legal, quit the medicalization/criminalization of private drug use (both of which are coercive statist tactics)...people keep forgetting that this the land--supposedly--of liberty....and liberty implies making *bad* choices too...I'd let the free market decide the price of drugs...and once *availability* was no longer a problem, we could sort out what we need to do, and partake of...watch and see just how many people still say the have "a disease."...and how many people still get on methadone or buprenorphene...those clinics and state approved opiate slinging patsys would have to go get real jobs...

This would immediately put the drug cartels out of business, let Colombia and Mexico off the violent hook they've been on so long, and all the treatment center employees, dope docs, and drug counselors would all have to go work at Walmart....and we would once again be our own bosses...and would have to educate ourselves on the drugs we need or want....no more blaming others...

[Princess]

DF: Perfect plan. I'm liking every word of what you posted. I have to second that!

Walmart, ha ha ha

[rolln7s]

Too bad it aint true....:(

[bigNasty]

Duck, you'd abolish the FDA or DEA?

[Duckfeet]

Duck, you'd abolish the FDA or DEA?

*Both!*: my liberterian notions and study of this issue has made me realize that *both* these agencies have empowered not only the government in huge ways, but have also caused all the sissy docs to fall in line, and by making most drugs we want only available by perscription, the FDA and DEA have fucked not only the fucking cowardly doctors, but have fucked us all...the *criminalization* of 1st alcohol--prohibition, 2nd drugs: Harrison Act, etc...then willingness of the gov't to *medicalize* just about everything, has given them incredible control over all our lives...FDA is the original cuprit, then Roosevelt thinking we needed to be protected from ourselves, then--when the BNDD failed miserably in controlling pharmacists and docs--the DEA was created, and they too, failed at every drug prohibition attempt they tried...until they too, attacked pharmacies and docs...and finally won one, creating huge people now branded as either criminal or *sick*...and if you don't accept *sick* then you are faced w/jail or prison...

So yeah, most gov't agencies in last 100 years have taken away all our freedoms...and now we have whole generations--at least two--who think gov't is their friend...when in my grandparents day they still had healthy suspicion of gov't....

[bigNasty]

*Both!*: my liberterian notions and study of this issue has made me realize that *both* these agencies have empowered not only the government in huge ways, but have also caused all the sissy docs to fall in line, and by making most drugs we want only available by perscription, the FDA and DEA have fucked not only the fucking cowardly doctors, but have fucked us all...the *criminalization* of 1st alcohol--prohibition, 2nd drugs: Harrison Act, etc...then willingness of the gov't to *medicalize* just about everything, has given them incredible control over all our lives...FDA is the original cuprit, then Roosevelt thinking we needed to be protected from ourselves, then--when the BNDD failed miserably in controlling pharmacists and docs--the DEA was created, and they too, failed at every drug prohibition attempt they tried...until they too, attacked pharmacies and docs...and finally won one, creating huge people now branded as either criminal or *sick*...and if you don't accept *sick* then you are faced w/jail or prison...

So yeah, most gov't agencies in last 100 years have taken away all our freedoms...and now we have whole generations--at least two--who think gov't is their friend...when in my grandparents day they still had healthy suspicion of gov't....
OK i figured you were gonna say both. It really is crazy to think about being able to buy pure H out of a Sears catalogue 100 yrs ago and now it's hard to get a bottle of tussionex when you have a cold

[Duckfeet]

Right...and look how good it's worked, too: back then they had no problem with this shit...make it illegal...then make it a disease...sure has worked wonders to eliminate drug problems hahaha :rolleyes:

First we we're just *people*, then we're crooks, now we're all sick...*or* if we don't like *sick* we go back to being crooks again...fuck...I know, we all thought being sick was a better deal(looking at jail, "sick" didn't look so bad)...so now we get methadone or buprenorpnene...or treatment centers and all that nonsense...we have no choice, how will we ever know, until we once again have the freedom to own our own bodies and what we put in them???


OK i figured you were gonna say both. It really is crazy to think about being able to buy pure H out of a Sears catalogue 100 yrs ago and now it's hard to get a bottle of tussionex when you have a cold

[pharmboy]

Well I agree with DF , I would certainly get rid of the DEA but the FDA I think

I would change their mission a little so that they become kind of the

Consumer Reports of Drugs or UL Labs for drugs. So all drugs would be

legal but unless you get the UL stamp on your drug nobody wants to buy

it because it was found to be impurer or not at the stated mg or whatever.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

I'd legalize all drugs, have drug stores that ran in a similar fashion to the state liquor stores. In other words, you would have to go to a specific government owned business to acquire your drugs. I'd tax the substances heavily (sin tax) in order to put money into programs for drug education and treatment. I'd make sure that public schools were giving kids TRUE drug education, with the main focus being on harm reduction. I'd also push for better treatment options, more research on addiction, how to help people stay clean... that sort of thing.

[pharmboy]

If the government didn't play the stupid war on drugs game we would have so

much extra money ( all the money we give to other country's to fall in line

behind us and play the stupid game too ) we probably wouldn't need taxes,

sin or otherwise. Stop spending a billion a week in Iraq and we would really be

in the black. I'm not saying totally pull out of Iraq and leave them to kill each other

but close.

[SHELLEY]

i'd hate to be in charge of anything
no matter what you do, someone would hate you
if i did legalize drugs, most of the country would hate me ya know?
of course if i didn't... well i'd be one big fuckin hypocrite
i don't care what people think of me mostly
but to have OVER HALF OF AMERICA hate your fucking guts?
that's gotta be rough on the old self esteem, no?

kinda shit that makes me feel sorry for gwb- everyone hates the poor guy!
folks say "hes the worst president in american history"
ummm... okay, obviously they don't know their history but whatever

anyways, i'd rather be a drug fiend than a drug czar
that term 'drug czar' makes me think of colombian coke lords anyway

[SHELLEY]

ONE LAST THING!

the drug czar can't legalize drugs
neither can the president

you'd hafta be in congress and have lots of support

[pharmboy]

AHHH Shelly you win the QP doll! I was wondering when someone would

mention that. Well lets just say on Jan. 22 when Obama is undoing all of

Bushes rediculousness he also lets rip a presidential decree that the new

Drug Czar will be all powerful over any and all drugs.

Play nice Shelly.

[SHELLEY]

Well lets just say on Jan. 22 when Obama is undoing all of

Bushes rediculousness he also lets rip a presidential decree that the new

Drug Czar will be all powerful over any and all drugs.


no offense but...


i'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet :)

[nick]

AHHH Shelly you win the QP doll! I was wondering when someone would

mention that. Well lets just say on Jan. 22 when Obama is undoing all of

Bushes rediculousness he also lets rip a presidential decree that the new

Drug Czar will be all powerful over any and all drugs.

Play nice Shelly.



Don't hold your breath.Obama's staff are floating the idea of Jim Ramstad(Rep,Minnesota) for drug czar.The dolt is a dry drunk that believes in abstinence based policy.Hell,this fool doesn't even agree with works exchange and voted against funding for it.

[DCBA]

there they go again.. another prohibitionist in front of them..

[rockbottom]

go backwhenall drugs were legalized--tax em--although the marijuana tax stamp made getting pot illegal-had to have the stamp b4 the pot so automatically illeagle---Timothy Leary actually got i re legalized from 67-70 when nixon went insane-making sure we all have to suffer--offer state of the art treatment give free or low cost drugs-not the same as taxing-and although this is against my religion i would probably start a datdbase to see who prefers which drugs--and probably a mandatory age--with education a priority--maybe take away a few kids--ive seen some damaged kids----and once and for all what is the price on the war on drugs or is it just a way for the poor to work while filling correctional facilitis -morphine was the civil war disease--not sure of the date of herion---but it was the wonder drug for all the coughing diseases----like u could get a nights rest with a dry hacking unproducdive cough--while spitting up blood doing it---but tey made it too strong for its purpose-----anyway im a drug criminal so fuck em

[Duckfeet]

Yeah: I get more and more libertarian about the whole damn thing...and in my lifetime I've seen it go from being a criminal act to it being a disease. The main problem of the "disease concept" is that it is so damned coercive...how do we *know* it's a disease, if our choice is usually jail or pissed of parents...fuck...

I'm for straight up legalization of drugs, abolishment of prescriptions, and let the chips fall where they may...this whole bullshit of trusting docs and DEA and FDA has accomplished zero...people are dying more often from drugs than they ever did before they took away our power of choice over our own bodies...who the fuck put the gov't in charge of what I do, anyway? 20th century started all this crap, paternalistic, "gov knows best" which has destroyed several generations of young people...and made all of us cynics and outlaws w/no way out...

Give me liberty or give me death...the U.S.A. was a nice experiment...but it could have been so much better...our founding fathers pretty much knew this would happen...but at least they tried to protect us from government...which they saw as the true source of evil...and it's true it's true it's true....

[pharmboy]

I would love to go back in time and take out Harrison around 1910 . . . .

but I suppose if it wasn't him it would be some other asswipe.

It seems like the more we learn about drugs and the more most smart people

see that the war on drugs is a big sham that waists millions if not billions of $$$

the more the jerks in power pass stupid laws that just make it all worse.

I think LE ,DEA and all alike NEED the drug war or they wouldn't have an ENEMY.

And people like that always need an enemy. They'd be lost without one.

[Duckfeet]

Plus: these are all huge, entrenched, gov't bureaucracies, and they vote in blocks, and at lower levels anyway, are dug in govt employee unions...w/good pensions most of us never see...and they certainly don't want to believe everything they do is bullshit...just like the occasional bupe or mdone doc who gets on here w/there pomposities...they aren't going to face the fact that everything they do is unconstitutional and worse, totally useless...I get so pissed at that bullshit...has destroyed my life, and the lives of so many people I know...and nobody now alive, can remember a time when the government was supposed to stay *our* of our lives, not tell us what to do...

We used to talk a lot of shit about the Soviet Union, which--granted--was much worse...but we keep aiming in that direction, and the medicalization of personal drug use, and the *state* taking over what used to be doctor's decision, has totally fucked us all...hell, even when I was a young man, they still didn't have scripts in "triplicate" and docs could--and did--prescibe drugs like dilaudids, seconal, preludin, ....all that, without worrying about the gov looking over their shoulders much...and now we've all been sold down the river...and the "drug problem" has been created, worsened, and fucked us all up...there is no "drug problem"...there is just a *government" problem...we aren't free...