View Full Version : A little help please, methadone strength?
I shoulda asked this ages ago, but i guess i was in my booze stupor....Can any one of you guys help me out and find out what strength the methadone mixture is out here in spain?
Like in the uk its the green 1mg/1ml mixture....But out here i know its much more concentrated than that....I've tried to do my own calculations and internet search, but i havent got an accurate figure..
From what the guys are telling me who i buy it from it would seem to be a 7mg/1ml mixture, but somehow i cant see that being the case?..?..
If it is the 10mg/1ml mixture i may be taking a shitload more methadone than i have thought...Oh shit!!
So if anyone has access to a bonafide medical database or something that would answer my query , i would really appreciatte the help/answer....I would like to have a go at getting off the liquid handcuffs by crimbo, but i kinda need to know what amount, strength this stuff i have been taking for about 3yrs is???
If it helps i am in the Valencian region of spain...Thanks..
Narkotikon
12-02-2008, 01:07 PM
I've only heard of the 1mg/ml and the 10mg/ml mixtures. I'm not sure about Spain though. I'd think 7mg/ml would be an odd concentration too. Maybe he's gotten the 10mg/ml and watered it down to make 7mg/ml? Is this the same guy who was watering down your methadone not too long ago? Maybe that's why?
After my last wardrobe door incident, its back to meeting the boys at the methabus.All the bottles are sealed and they literally walk 3mtrs from the bus to my car....So no fuck ups..
The reason i say approx 7mg/1ml is because one dude is supposed to be on 140ml, but i got a feeling its 200ml now, coz the actual amount of clear liquid is about 20ml, or 25ml top wack....So maybe it is the 10mg/1ml stuff...
I was hoping that one of the chem savvy guys would use one of their med search engines and get some kinda result for me....It would do me a right favour if i knew what was wat.....And would help me immensely in cutting this shit down, maybe even getting off the juice.As now its all fuckin hit an miss.And its a bit frustrating, not knowing wtf you are putting in ya body....well how much i'm putting in!
Especially as the WD from this shit could drive me to doin something stupid in a temper snap....So i really do need to gauge it right.....Like i say any help bro's is mucho appreciatted..
Voyager
12-02-2008, 03:10 PM
I think I read somwhere among all those MMT PDF books that in Spain they have 10mg/1ml Methadone.
Anyway, I would be more logical on this, because most countries use 10mg/1ml Methadone in Europe.
Yeah bro, i think your right!.....So i have been taking a bit more than i realise, fuck fuck fuck!....
So i now gotta start measuring my juice out properly...Coz it looks like me and the missus are goin through 3,000 ml per week....Well some weeks for sure, others maybe a bit less....But we are definately fuckin taking way too much, its been goin on for soooo llooooonnnggg now, its 2nd fuckin nature....
So i dont think i'll be off the juice by christmas, will i?:rolleyes:.....Shit man, at least i am off ze booze and can start getting this habit down, without makin any stoopid drunken fuck ups...But it just might take a bit longer than i think....
rockbottom
12-02-2008, 04:25 PM
ive been trying to figure what you take for awhile--looks like Voyager hit it right;)
Yeah bro, i think your right!.....So i have been taking a bit more than i realise, fuck fuck fuck!....
So i now gotta start measuring my juice out properly...Coz it looks like me and the missus are goin through 3,000 ml per week....Well some weeks for sure, others maybe a bit less....But we are definately fuckin taking way too much, its been goin on for soooo llooooonnnggg now, its 2nd fuckin nature....
So i dont think i'll be off the juice by christmas, will i?:rolleyes:.....Shit man, at least i am off ze booze and can start getting this habit down, without makin any stoopid drunken fuck ups...But it just might take a bit longer than i think....
3000mls per week? for sure thats not 10mg/ml.... 30grs per week of methadone? lol you got to be kidding.... lol.... lol... even if its 1mg/ml you would ingest 3grs per week and thats a lot too..
That is enough for a whole fucking clinic and for more than a week ... lol
I wont believe that you even consider that to be true???!??!?
You buy it from the street dont you?
Then dont expect it to be 10mg/ml.. Not even close, addicts wont WD, they will sell you just enough for not withdrawing..
In here, in the street methadone is way diluted... Generally addicts take a max of 3/4 of their dose for themselfs(generally much more) and sell the rest will lots of water or whatever...
Some junkies even just empty the bottle and then fill it again with water and they sell it that way, and it still has the methadone syrup flavour in it, but allmost no methadone at all..
but a educated palate will guess with some precision if he knows what to look for.. the flavor of the 10mg/ml solution is really disgusting and stays in your mouth for a long time..
PS. with that quantities you can use an EC/PPM meter to determine % of salts in water..
Genon
12-02-2008, 05:10 PM
I'm not sure about the liquid meth conversion factors but congrats on losin the booze bro!!!
Voyager
12-02-2008, 05:40 PM
Of course, he is not getting pure 10mg/1ml Methadone liquid, neither addicts in maintenance anywhere get the pure liquid, it's always very diluted with juice to prevent I.V.
They dilute it like, from 5ml (50mg), they make 100ml.
you should read his posts to see what he thinks he is getting.
Narkotikon
12-02-2008, 07:49 PM
Of course, he is not getting pure 10mg/1ml Methadone liquid, neither addicts in maintenance anywhere get the pure liquid, it's always very diluted with juice to prevent I.V.
They dilute it like, from 5ml (50mg), they make 100ml.
I'm not so sure about that. At the clinic I was at for take homes they gave clear liquid methadone that was sealed and they told us to dilute it at home. I didn't even make the connection that you could IV it. I remember is was horribly horribly bitter, nasty shit, that reminded me of what battery acid must taste like. I don't think it had been diluted. The bottles were really small. I remember when I got those take homes for the holidays in the summer of 2006 I was on 140mg at the time. I'm assuming is was the 10mg/ml kind, because there wasn't enough stuff in there to make it the 1mg/ml kind. I mean, the bottle was really small, like the size of a small amber pill bottle from a pharmacy with the label and stuff on it. It said, Methadone 140mg, to only be used by XXXX dilute before use. I had to have been the 10mg/ml kind because 140ml would have definitely been too much for those bottles that they used. They were really small. I had no idea I could have injected that stuff though. All I remember it was the worst tasting drug I've ever had. I'll drink a gallon of plain old unsweeted poppy tea before I drink that again. You have to dilute it with juice or (the clinic used Tang or Orange Kool-Aid, I think because of the high sugar content in Kool-Aid) something, otherwise it's just so nasty to drink. Dman, I didn't know I could have shot that. That pisses me off now.
I'll describe what i buy.AND i buy off three people, six bottles off one guy, who i think could be on anywhere from 140ml to fuck knows, maybe 200ml....The dr said to him,"any increase in your dose you'll be in orbit"
Another guy i buy 5 bottles from, he;s on 90ml a day and another guy who is on the same,i get maybe another 5 off him....so 450 +450= 900 plus what i'm getting off the six bottle dude, which is anywhere from 840 to 1200 ml..
So somewhere along the line i'm taking a shitload of this juice......
All the doses come in small bottles, clear bottles with white sealed tops..The max the bottles can actually hold in volume is 80ml of this clear, really bitter nasty tasting shit....Its like the more bitter it is, the stronger the methadone is....
maybe 3,000 ml is a crazy estimate, a bit over the top, but i am bying 3 peoples take homes for the week every monday...And the above estimates is what i am actually buying for sure...
I just cant seem to judge an accurate figure...Thats why i'm asking what the fuck is the norm out here..
Just wanna add one thing for peeps who dont know me too well...I been in this game for a long time, no way is anyone fuckin with my juice.coz i am eagle fuckin eye cherry when it comes to that shit.They walk down the bus steps, straight into my car...And these dudes been intreatment a long time.Methadone isnt seen here like it is in the states...Theres plenty of oppurtunity to abuse methadone out here...The bus gives the juice out, fullfilling their obligation..And thats it....People just go to the bus once a week and thats it...
Chipper
12-03-2008, 02:20 AM
Raz, wouldn't it be a lot cheaper to go to the clinic and get dosed there? They would help you stabilize and slowly detox you (if that's what you want).
However, I completely understand that you do not want to be tied to a clinic and their testing regimens.
But it could save you a lot of cash. You could always enquire by phone and ask them the strength of their methadone at the same time...
you have to go through a GP here to get on the done, and theres no way bro that i am goin in the system....
Worse way i'll tuff it out the way i am...I'm not sick and now i'm not boozing i'll find a way out of this shit....Its not rocket science, just gotta cut the fuck down and get some measuring system goin...
upstate_007
12-03-2008, 06:50 AM
Hey Raz. One question for ya about figuring this shit out.
When the clinic mixes someones dose, is the volume different depending on how much or little they are getting? Or does the concentration of the mixture change? Know what I mean? I was wondering how the clinic varies the dose for different people. Through volume difference of the same strength formula or by adding more methadone to the liquid.
It just made me wonder because you said you can taste the difference in strength sometimes. But then again, that could be from clinic workers screwing up as well.
I dunno man. Quite the riddle. I think it would be safe to assume 10mg/ml for now. Even if it just gets you on a regular schedule with consistent dosing. Rather than just drinking some and approximating volume. No matter what the strength actually is, you could set up a tapering schedule for you and the missus if you do it by exact volumes.
Voyager
12-03-2008, 07:08 AM
But watch this.
This might actually be 1mg/1ml strangth, undiluted.
Because Narkotikon told us he knows the clinic which gives out concentrate, undiluted.
It's nasty, they6 shouldn't do that.
But anyway.
If you are on 3000ml of Methadone liquid a week.
There are NO chances that it's 10mg/1ml and that you get it undiluted.
That would be 30.000mg of Methadone a week, that's round 4300mg of Methadone a day.
You know, you can kill 4 horses with that dose...LOL !
So I guess you maybe get 1mg/1ml, that would be more reasonable, yet still extreme in a some way.
That would be 3000mg of Methadone a week, that's round 430mg of Methadone a day.
Mate...I think that you would suffer some serious health shit if you would be taking that dose of Methadone a day.
Nobody in this world gets that much Methadone, it's just abnormal, you would turn into a space freak, or, or, or....cow-n-chicken', or I dunno !
So, my final conclusion is that they dilute it to a 20mg/100ml or 10mg/100ml level.
J its really fuckin weird bro, one of the reasons i put this question out there on the board.Hoping that one of the internet/computer genuis's among us would find the answer for me??
The guy who i know has the strongest juice, lets call him T, gets about 25ml in a small 80ml bottle(the bottles are all the same).If it was 5mg/1ml T getting say 28ml, would make it 140ml of methadone.he gets one bottle per day, so he drinks one on the bus and the other six are take homes...Its the same wiv everyone.Drink one on ze bus the rest are take homes..
So offa T alone it looks like i'm buying at least 840ml, of this i'm 99.9% sure..140 per day was the last amount his dr told him he was on and it aint changed.
"A" gets about 20ml and so does "B".....So now i'm thinking could it be 5mg/1ml.....The liquid looks like just water and thats what i do, swap the bottles and put all the juice in a water bottle for the drive home..Thinking about it properly, its most likely 5mg/1ml.
Has anybody heard of methadone being dispensed like this,in this concentrate?...I have only ever come across 10mg//1ml or 1mg/ml before i came to spain....It seems like the amount of liquid dont count for jack.Its all in wat amount of nicky lowder(powder) they put in the mix...
FUCK IT!:mad:....I just dont know, arrrrggggggg...This area would come under the Valencian rules of dispensing methadone and i wondered if anyone would be able to find out something definite for me on the net...
Like i said b4, i would be really grateful if someone of the opi family could find out for me..I've had a butchers (butchers hook=look) on the net meself, but no joy bro...
Wat i'll do next week is take a pic of wat i buy.And you'll all be able to see wtf its like.I'll take a pic of the daily dose of each client and line em up so you can have a proper look at wat i'm on about.Maybe that will help?
I am one frustrated hombre at the moment!!
But watch this.
This might actually be 1mg/1ml strangth, undiluted.
Because Narkotikon told us he knows the clinic which gives out concentrate, undiluted.
It's nasty, they6 shouldn't do that.
But anyway.
If you are on 3000ml of Methadone liquid a week.
There are NO chances that it's 10mg/1ml and that you get it undiluted.
That would be 30.000mg of Methadone a week, that's round 4300mg of Methadone a day.
You know, you can kill 4 horses with that dose...LOL !
So I guess you maybe get 1mg/1ml, that would be more reasonable, yet still extreme in a some way.
That would be 3000mg of Methadone a week, that's round 430mg of Methadone a day.
Mate...I think that you would suffer some serious health shit if you would be taking that dose of Methadone a day.
Nobody in this world gets that much Methadone, it's just abnormal, you would turn into a space freak, or, or, or....cow-n-chicken', or I dunno !
Not moaning or nothing bro, read what i just posted and that might give you a clearer picture ok?
So, my final conclusion is that they dilute it to a 20mg/100ml or 10mg/100ml level.
Read my last post, that might help you understand me a bit more.Right now, you havent understood me.I hope my last post makes it a bit more self explanatory,ok?..Any questions feel free to ask..
Chipper
12-03-2008, 07:38 AM
"Thinking about it properly, its most likely 5mg/1ml. Has anybody heard of methadone being dispensed like this,in this concentrate?"
Yes, in Australia, it's ALL 5mg/1ml.
"Thinking about it properly, its most likely 5mg/1ml. Has anybody heard of methadone being dispensed like this,in this concentrate?"
Yes, in Australia, it's ALL 5mg/1ml.
Hooray....Now i'm finkin it could be dat over here...fanks man...nice one..I'm gonna use this measure when next mixing some juice up....100ml of juice mixed with 5ooml of water.
That would make it soo much easier for me, coz it was 1mg/1ml in the uk and i would normally do a detox within 1 mth.I would just piss off on holiday with the wife an kid and just slowly taper untill i was on nothing...The wife an i always came back clean....Holidays really did do us the world of good...And now i would be one happy bod if i could do a detox in time for crimbo!
OxyContinuously
12-03-2008, 07:49 AM
3000mls per week? for sure thats not 10mg/ml.... 30grs per week of methadone? lol you got to be kidding.... lol.... lol... even if its 1mg/ml you would ingest 3grs per week and thats a lot too..
That is enough for a whole fucking clinic and for more than a week ... lol
I wont believe that you even consider that to be true???!??!?
You buy it from the street dont you?
Then dont expect it to be 10mg/ml.. Not even close, addicts wont WD, they will sell you just enough for not withdrawing..
In here, in the street methadone is way diluted... Generally addicts take a max of 3/4 of their dose for themselfs(generally much more) and sell the rest will lots of water or whatever...
Some junkies even just empty the bottle and then fill it again with water and they sell it that way, and it still has the methadone syrup flavour in it, but allmost no methadone at all..
but a educated palate will guess with some precision if he knows what to look for.. the flavor of the 10mg/ml solution is really disgusting and stays in your mouth for a long time..
PS. with that quantities you can use an EC/PPM meter to determine % of salts in water..
it's not just for him though; he and Mrs. Raz split it--so the 3000mL is the both of their dose for the entire week...
and @ Raz
yeah i was lookin around trying to see what i could gather,, and i am pretty sure that u r getting the 10mg per 1mL formula....cause they use the 1mg/mL here in the US,, but like Voyager pointed out,, most if not all of Europe uses the more concentrated version...
a suggestion would be every week, cut down your dose (volume wise) by an eigth or so...example: u take let's say 100mL,, so after a week, cut it by 12% so take, 87.5mL,, and every week cut by an eigth or so till ur down at a lower dose...
fanks for takin ze time to read ze posts T..You know where i'm comin from.....I was mixing it with a 7/1 ratio...Like 100ml of methadone with 700ml of water...
If it was the 10mg/1ml mix then one of my guys would be on 240/250 per day...So its really confusing and messing wiv my head...Not knowing exactly wtf i'm doin...And theres a lotta difference between 10mg/1ml and 5mg/1ml.....So it really would help me an the missus out to know wats wat...
OxyContinuously
12-03-2008, 08:07 AM
fanks for takin ze time to read ze posts T..You know where i'm comin from.....I was mixing it with a 7/1 ratio...Like 100ml of methadone with 700ml of water...
If it was the 10mg/1ml mix then one of my guys would be on 240/250 per day...So its really confusing and messing wiv my head...Not knowing exactly wtf i'm doin...And theres a lotta difference between 10mg/1ml and 5mg/1ml.....So it really would help me an the missus out to know wats wat...
ur quite right; i would like to know too, just so u and ur wife have a gauge as to exactly how much u guys are on right now,, and then plan as to where u would like to be...with this whole blind dosing stuff, you never really know,, and that makes a taper pretty hard...
Raz i just had this idea,, but idont know how stuff works in spain: i would guess that the juice comes from a clinic right? do u think you could call the clinic and ask them what strength methadone they use? maybe they would be able to solve ur problem right away....
or,, the person you get it from is on a fixed dose: ask him what his dose in milligrams is, then take the ratio of milligrams to milliters in the bottle and do it that way...
like if ur homey says he is on 200mg of methadone,, and in the bottle he gives you you have 20mL of total liquid,, then you would know that the concentration is 10mg per 1mL...that'll work just fine *unless* it is diluted w/ water a little bit before you get it...
just a couple of ideas
Raz (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=3862), dont you have an ppm meter?
... you can use an EC/PPM meter to determine % of salts in water..By salts swim means methadone hcl.
Never seen it done but i think you can check the concentration by checking the ppm and with that and the volume and some math you may get a clue..
OxyContinuously (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=3000), i knew it was for his wife too, but the numbers of 10mg/ml were just plain ridiculous.
upstate_007
12-03-2008, 08:19 AM
Raz i just had this idea,, but idont know how stuff works in spain: i would guess that the juice comes from a clinic right? do u think you could call the clinic and ask them what strength methadone they use? maybe they would be able to solve ur problem right away....
or,, the person you get it from is on a fixed dose: ask him what his dose in milligrams is, then take the ratio of milligrams to milliters in the bottle and do it that way...
Good idea T.
I have been searching around the web for more info Raz. So far.....nada. I'll keep on looking though.
T thats why i am thinking it could be the 5mg/1ml ratio....One homie says he's on 140ml per day and i believe him.Well i kinda know that fact is true...
And i think he has 28ml in his bottle which would make it 140ml per day...he gets six take homes, i buy the lot...
I buy 5 from another guy, who says he's on 80/85 and another guy whose on the same, i buy 3/4 off..
Makin calculations now, i think i walk away with about 1100ml once i bought it all from the three... Thats if its the 5mg/1ml mix, if its the ten, then i been takin fuckin double aint i!
So thats where i came with that possible figure of 3,oooml....As for the other geezer,DCBA< ridiculous mate, well i dont know bout dat...Its just figures hombre, nothing more.Not some stoopid boast like "I'm on a shitload of methadone hoofuckinray"....I hate being trapped to this shit, thats why i'm makin an effort to figure this stuff out...In all honesty I reckon i get through 500/600 ml per week , my wife takes less...
I have bought more than that in the past.Last smmer i had a full 1.5ltr bottle of liquid that i had built up....I know i would be in hell if i had to cold turkey this habit...
upstate_007 (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=4974), Theres is no way of that helping him with street bought methadone, addicts are natural born cheaters.
T thats why i am thinking it could be the 5mg/1ml ratio....One homie says he's on 140ml per day and i believe him.Well i kinda know that fact is true...
3.000mls weekly of 5mg/1ml methadone equals 15.000mgs of weekly methadone...
wife or no wife..
EDIT: but oh... now you say you use only 500/600ml per week instead of your previous posted 3000ml per week:
Makin calculations now, i think i walk away with about 1100ml once i bought it all from the three...I reckon i get through 500/600 ml per week , my wife takes less...
I have bought more than that in the past.Last smmer i had a full 1.5ltr bottle of liquid that i had built up....I know i wold be in hell if i had to cold turkey it...
Even tough... Around 3000mgs of methadone per week is a lot..
But your previous was just a bottle of methadone...
So i now gotta start measuring my juice out properly...Coz it looks like me and the missus are goin through 3,000 ml per week....
but still ...
i ask 3rd time, dont you have an ppm meter?
3.000mls weekly of 5mg/1ml methadone equals 15.000mgs of weekly methadone...
wife or no wife..
EDIT: but oh... now you say you use only 500/600ml per week instead of your previous posted 3000ml per week:
Even tough... Around 3000mgs of methadone per week is a lot..
but still ...
i ask 3rd time, dont you have an ppm meter?
Are you english geezer, coz you just aint reading me right....Read what i wrote...If i had a metre i wouldnt be here would i?...wat do you fink dis is some stupid boast about how much methadone i take?....If you wanna help me figure it out, read me figures properly....
upstate_007
12-03-2008, 08:34 AM
upstate_007 (http://forum.opiophile.org/member.php?u=4974), Theres is no way of that helping him with street bought methadone, addicts are natural born cheaters.
No doubt. I think Raz has a pretty good handle on it though by waiting right at the methadone bus with the people he is buying from. They don't get the opportunity to duck out and cheat some out or dilute it that way.
My english is kinda bad sorry for that. But its you that wrote not me.. Read your quotes on my upper post..
But i put them here, your quotes..
First post:
So i now gotta start measuring my juice out properly...Coz it looks like me and the missus are goin through 3,000 ml per week....
Second dose...
Makin calculations now, i think i walk away with about 1100ml once i bought it all from the three...I reckon i get through 500/600 ml per week , my wife takes less...
I have bought more than that in the past.Last smmer i had a full 1.5ltr bottle of liquid that i had built up....I know i wold be in hell if i had to cold turkey it...
OxyContinuously
12-03-2008, 08:46 AM
My english is kinda bad sorry for that. But its you that wrote not me.. Read your quotes on my upper post..
But i put them here, your quotes..
First post:
Second dose...
what's your point?
1) you're not offering any advice or help
2) you *are* nit-picking and antagonizing
3) you're playing games with the man's semantics
4) you're turning a simple query into a pissing contest
why are you doing that?
Brother listen, I dont know wat the fuckin amount i am takin!!!!.....I dont know,ok....
If the concentrate is 10mg/1ml then i am takin way more than i think i am, because i come home with the liquid exactly how they get it from the bus....And the actual amount of liquid i walk away wiv from them is about 330ml of concentrated methadone...
So if its 10mg/1ml then i walk away with 3,300 ml of methadone for me an the wife..
If its 5mg/1ml then it would be 1,650ml of methadone for us....
So this is what i am trying to find out??????????If anyone knows the strength of it out here,ya dig?
By having a lot of methadone in the fridge,i take what i feel like, although i am trying to make an effort..To cut down....The smack is weak right now and i cant be bothered to travel for good smack.
so i will be sticking to just methadone untill the new yr at least.
Nobody fucks wiv my juice coz they know i am gonna hurt them if they do..
.After the last example when i showed some trust, they fucked it up...So i hurt the cunt responsible.
So no more trust,ok...Walk out of methabus, 5 paces, step into my car.Easy, no room for error...And i been dealing wiv the same guys for 3yrs every fuckin monday week in week out.I know wtf i am doin.Please dont think i am some nieve average joe,just come into this.Because you couldnt be farther from ze truth
what's your point?
1) you're not offering any advice or help
2) you *are* nit-picking and antagonizing
3) you're playing games with the man's semantics
4) you're turning a simple query into a pissing contest
why are you doing that?
1 - I offered a very real advice, he or anybody hasnt responded to that, ignoring it, alltought i asked 3 times nicely..
2 - No, im not..
3 - no, again im not
4 - once again no.
Just read my posts and read his, i simply made the math...
ANd the ideia of taking grams of methadone daily bough on the street is what i tought is ridiculous..
I do not want to pick on anyone, and if thats what the poster thinks, i ll be quiet after my arguments..
Raz, have you made a type mismacth is that it? No need to fight, im just trying to help... the ppm meter and the math are only to help..
Nobody is fighting,please just take in this basic info and maybe you'll see where i am comin from...
I buy the juice straight from the methabus,ok...No room for any fuck ups,i get it EXACTLY as it is dispensed in a SEALED Bottle,ok.....If the bottle is opened,i dont buy,ok...
Right now after i have bought my methadone from x3 people,in all about 15/16 take home doses...The amount of liquid i usually walk away with in CONCENTRATED methadone is apprx, 330ml CONCENTRATED methadone....
Now if its 10mg/1ml then that is equivilent to 3,300 ml of 1mg/1ml methadone which is the strength of the methadone i used to detox with in UK.....OK so far...Thats what i feel comfortable with,ok...
Now if the methadone is 5mg/1ml i am walking away with the equivilent of apprx 1,650 ml of 1mg/1ml of methadone....
You see what i am saying now....?....Its not too complicated, please just accept the fact that no one is fuckin wiv my juice.I just need to know what concentrate this stuff is, either 10mg/1ml or 5mg/1ml.Coz this stuff is strong man, very very bitter tasting....
And once i find that out it will go a very long way in helping me cut down and get off it..
Nobody is fighting,please just take in this basic info and maybe you'll see where i am comin from...
I buy the juice straight from the methabus,ok...No room for any fuck ups,i get it EXACTLY as it is dispensed in a SEALED Bottle,ok.....If the bottle is opened,i dont buy,ok...
Right now after i have bought my methadone from x3 people,in all about 15/16 take home doses...The amount of liquid i usually walk away with in CONCENTRATED methadone is apprx, 330ml CONCENTRATED methadone....
Now if its 10mg/1ml then that is equivilent to 3,300 ml of 1mg/1ml methadone which is the strength of the methadone i used to detox with in UK.....OK so far...Thats what i feel comfortable with,ok...
Now if the methadone is 5mg/1ml i am walking away with the equivilent of apprx 1,650 ml of 1mg/1ml of methadone....
You see what i am saying now....?....Its not too complicated, please just accept the fact that no one is fuckin wiv my juice.I just need to know what concentrate this stuff is, either 10mg/1ml or 5mg/1ml.Coz this stuff is strong man, very very bitter tasting....
And once i find that out it will go a very long way in helping me cut down and get off it..
ok.
You seem to ignore my advice and/or even my questions so ill stop posting cause i see this is starting to have some possibilities of turning into a flamewar and thats not my intent at all.
one more advice, i think you should follow someone else previous advice and go into a meth clinic. Stability is mostly what MMT is all about.
Good luck finding the strength and/or stability.
ok.
You seem to ignore my advice and/or even my questions so ill stop posting cause i see this is starting to have some possibilities of turning into a flamewar and thats not my intent at all.
one more advice, i think you should follow someone else previous advice and go into a meth clinic. Stability is mostly what MMT is all about.
Good luck finding the strength and/or stability.
If i knew what your advice was i might be able to respond to it...??Wat is your advice?
And i am not goin to any clinic,ok..I'm stuck with what i got....I thought my question is pretty straight forward, ie, does anyone know the strength of the methadone dispensed in spain?
Do you know the strength?...Because it is definately stronger than what i used to get in the uk.And i used to buy it same way then, and detoxed just fine...
If you can help me, then help me.I have tried to explain my question in clear concise english.And i still fail to see your point.What is it.What advice am i failing to heed?
last post here, and only because you dont seem to have read my advice dispite the fact that i wrote it 3 times and talked 2 more about its existence..
if you read my previous posts, in 3 of them i talk about using a ppm/ec meter to REAL measure the Parts Per Million that the solution has..
After that i asked you 2 more times if you had one!?
That was the advice i was talking about, the math was just math..
I dont even know wat one of them metres are, let alone ever havin seen one...
You would be helping me if you told me the strength of methadone in your country, being a close neighbour of spain,it might be the same...
My figures may have confused you i guess.And maybe your not familar with my situation.Dont take anything personal, coz it aint...I'm not like that..I dont come here to argue, no point in that...
I dont walk away with the same amount every week..Sometimes i may buy 12 take homes, sometimes 15/16....And normally we dont take it all.So it builds up...
The spainards just take about 10ml, a cap full of methadone,of the concentrated mix, and that holds them just fine
....What i am trying to dois this; find out the mixture so i can dilute to the 1mg/1ml mixture...Coz thats the ways i have detoxed with methadone before.And that ratio gives me a better idea/handle on what i am doin...
You see what i am saying?.....I am very much on my own over here...Nobody other than a handfull of spanish know i smoke smack and take methadone....Where i live its all straight english wankers, who wouldnt know smack if it was staring in their face...
So all i am trying to do is establish a simple fact, the strength of methadone in spain...
StackBundles
07-08-2009, 02:55 AM
I know that this thread ia old... Just pointing out that Raz was accidently putting ml. in place of mg. In certain spots... So when DCBA was tryna do the math he thought that Raz had in total 3000ml of Done at 10mgs per ml, which is where DCBA thought Raz was saying he was taking 30 or 3 grams of Done per week. When really Raz was trying to state the total amount in mgs. he had purchased.
Interesting. Just trying to clear up an old misunderstanding.
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