Oxy user. Poppies.. my saving grace?

[ssjTiamat]

Hello all. Let me give a short background before I get to the heart of my post.

I am a chronic pain sufferer. Have been on RX Opiates for about 5 years now and Oxy's for 3. Currently taking 40mg 4x per day. I am married with 3 young children and needless to say, witout my pain meds I am usually pretty useless. And if I am way too active (playing baseball with my son or something similar) and throw out my back I am screwed.... whether I have meds or not. Then while doing some generally non-related research on the net the other day I came across the recipe for poppy seed tea. Of course, my interest was sparked immedietaly! Esp. since I had previously seen a news report that a lady failed a pre-employment drug test because she ate a poppy seed bagel for breakfast! Anyway...

Here is what drew me to this site in the first place. I figure.. some very pretty "arrangements" skillfuly placed in a bare corner of my home would do just the trick to perk up the mood in the house. I love flowers! But seriously.. I know from the recent reading I have been doing that it is entirely possible to acheive a level of "simularity" between a pod "arrangement" and my current med situation. But my problme is my lack of floral experience. I have a ton of med and rx experience and I would almost consider myself an expert. Even on meds I don't use. I'm the kind of anal guy who researches everything. I figure that since 99% of doctors are assholes (from experience) it would serve me best to be as educated as possible about my pain situation and what options are available to remedy it. And I also "NEED" to know what I put into my body. The last thing I want to do is listen to some idiot Dr tell me that I need to take this particular med when the Dr himself wouldn't even prescribe it to himself had he been in the same situation. OK.. enuf ranting.

So... I ask all you experienced amature/professional "florists"....what can I do to acheive a level simularity between my current Oxy dose schedule and what is readily available in pod form? I will say that I did attempt a valid search campaign, but failed to come to any conclusions that I felt comfortable with. I know that if someone replied seriously to this post I would get better intel from at least one person vs what I was able to formulate on my own thru various searches.

I mean.. I know that pods are generally available for retail sale at various outlets. None of which are too close to where I live, so looks like the net may be my best bet. And of course we all know the risks involved with purchasing on the net. But.. I am sure there are great sources out there, just a matter of locating them. And of course the pods are "moe betta" then any seeds I can get locally. But by what percentage. Would you say using pods is a 75% increase in success rate? Or what? Because if it is a low percentage.. maybe I will just try the seeds since they seem a ton easier to get. But then if the number is much higher.. then pods are the only way to go. Right?

I'm not too worried about recipes. those are every where. But like I said above, my biggest curiosity stems from what amount of pods would equal what my body is currently used to "gazing" at?

If there is any help out there for a guy like me, (besides a mental institution, lol) please reply with some assistance. Or a PM would work too. I would be greatly appreciative and would (already am) try to return the favor by sharing my RX knowledge with the forums.

Thanks a bunch in advance!

ssjTiamat!

[devilsdrug]

choose the mental institution for a wordy guy like you , youre better off

[poonwhalla]

what DD said. There is plenty of info you can get but its all trial and error. This question is like new words to the same question.

[ssjTiamat]

Nah... not enuf good food at the crazy house! :)

Yea.. I figured so. I will prob. just have to do the trial and error route. Im gonna pick some up here soon. Hopefully I will get a decent batch. We will see. I guess I was just lookin to see where my tolerance would put me in an average tea production. 10 avg pods? 15? maybe 7? I dunno. Also.. how long will the tea last if not all drank when made. Does it have a decent shelf life or will its potency drop dramatically if left in a jug for a couple days or so. There. Thats a good question. :)

Thanks.

[ZodiacKiller]

^ C'mon fellas, give the guy a break...he said he searched and couldn't find what he needed. I myself am a novice when it comes to floral arrangements, and have kinda been waiting for a succinct guide for beginners to pop up. Otherwise Ill just have to keep doing bag after bag of smack.

There's no need to be all poopy-pants at this ungodly hour:speechles

ZodiacSleepyKiller

[poonwhalla]

The thing with Tea is the same with Junk.. Start small, you can always do more. a bag of smack can be good or shitty so can the potancy of pods, seeds or anything outside of meds. There is no number I can perscribe I mean really try to tell me that even if it is the same supplier that the shit will be fluid or the same Ninja please? Lots of factors mang. Be smart in what you do. Just remember that if you do it can still bite you in tha ass.

[ssjTiamat]

^ C'mon fellas, give the guy a break...he said he searched and couldn't find what he needed.

LOL.. Thanks for the backup!

That's alright. I have been 'round the block enuf to know not to take that stuff to seriously. Seriously.. I harbor no hard feelings. If I was in their position and they in mine, I might have said the same thing to the pod-newb. Its all good.

Yea... I know the quality of the arrangement will vary. I was just hoping there was some sort of established "average" amongst some of the "regular" florists around here. But considering the situation I can understand how it would be real hard to nail down.

So forget all my noob-ish questions and see if you can help with the last one I asked which I would say is a valid one. Do you guys have any experience or knowledge of what kind (if any) of shelf-life I can "maybe" expect?

Yes. I will take the great advice of starting off small. I would be stupid not to. The only thing that would cause me to go a bit bigger than any other first timer would be my high tolerance to oxy. So I will start small when my shipment comes in (should be Weds.) but maybe a bit more than the average joe. Just a bit. But that brings me back to my question. Lets say the stock I have left over I decide to save for the next day. Would potency drop? Can I save it for a couple days?

I will try to test the shelf life myself as well, but some pre-testing advice would go a long way to making my life easier. And I WILL report back any results when I have something worth reporting.

Thanks for the help guys. And again.. no hard feelings. I know, I know.. like you care right? LOL :cool:

[alowishus]

ssjTiamat

What's wrong w/ your legally RX'ed meds?
If they're not doing it for you, ask your Dr. for an up in count? I don't understand why you want to start messing w/ pods/seeds.
Shit if I could just neck a few rigs every 4 hours for my pain and then get my refill at the end of the month; I'd never fook w/ this shit again, PITA.

:eyebrow: :eyebrow:

[ssjTiamat]

Nothing is wrong with them.. problem is that you know how docs can be, they do not want to up the count or the dose. And I can uderstand why.. however the flip side of it is that I need to keep my quality of life stable enuf to function. And I see the pods as a way to substitue for where the RX leaves off or at the very least a back up if I run out of meds so that I do not have to face w/d's because I have been down that road a couple times and I do not want to travel it ever again.

[Chevelle]

If you're looking for research material on pods, try this site: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Papaver_somniferum.html

It has some ranges listed in the section on opium production where you can see the variability of pod content.

I've used pods for dampening WD symptoms, but I can't say I've ever had good enough ones that it wouldn't take a basketful to replace one of your current doses.

Good luck, and happy experimenting!

p.s. -- since the pods contain varying amounts of opiate receptor agonists and antagonists, be careful that you don't kick yourself into a minor WD while trying pods and using your usual stuff.

[malefiacrum]

My buddy who was only into Oxy tried some pod tea last week...and I made it for him and made it a nice sized dose...he was still not happy with the results compared to oxy...

[Mokelly]

Nah... not enuf good food at the crazy house! :)

Yea.. I figured so. I will prob. just have to do the trial and error route. Im gonna pick some up here soon. Hopefully I will get a decent batch. We will see. I guess I was just lookin to see where my tolerance would put me in an average tea production. 10 avg pods? 15? maybe 7? I dunno. Also.. how long will the tea last if not all drank when made. Does it have a decent shelf life or will its potency drop dramatically if left in a jug for a couple days or so. There. Thats a good question. :)

Thanks.
Hey there buddy,
The best thing for you to do is start slow! You don't want to wind up with an OD. I know you have a high tolerance, but like others have said, pods vary GREATLY in strength and potency. So just start slow even if you think it won't do shit for you the first time. Then work your way up until you find a dose that suites your needs. Oh and make sure you go with a vendor that are generally going to send you some decent quality products. If you need help with this PM me. Oh and on your question on the seeds vs the pods..... in my opinion pods are usually your best bet as far as strength goes (some people might say otherwise), but the truth is that with seeds or pods they both vary in potency. I prefer pods because I think they are much easier to deal with and are much more potent generally speaking. Also, seeds are a PAIN IN THE ASS(in my opinion)! Anyway welcome aboard, you seem like a person who has a good head on their shoulders judging from your posts. Good luck with your up-coming experiments!


PS: As far as the shelf life for the pods go, as long as you keep them dry, cool, and out of direct sunlight, they should hold onto their potency for quite a few years I believe.

[JoyDivision]

I'm on 3 x 20mg OxyContin. I would love to have your dose :-). I'm going to be asking my pain Doc next week for it to be increased to 3 x 40mg. I've only ever tried pods a few times (got 50 small to medium ones in the mail off eBay). Here's the thing though. They weren't that great as far as a buzz goes but in terms of pain relief they were awesome! I had constant pain relief for at least 8 to 12 hrs. And I only used like 3 ground up large pod heads (I made Pod Coffee ;-) as opposed to pod tea ;-) ).

If you want to get high then you'd need more than that. But in terms of pain relief. Poppy Pods and Poppy Seed Tea can be just as good as Oxy. Hell sometimes even better. The problem however is maintaining a supply. Since you need lots of seeds and pods. And getting lots of seeds can look very suspicious.

The best thing to do would be to plant your own poppy pods. And get the seeds and pods from that.
You're a chronic pain sufferer. I'm sure people would understand. So why not do it? Keep using your Oxy and in the mean time set that up. Get some Persian Whites. They take like around 2 months to grow.

Personally if I was in the States I'd be heading to Mexico or Canada for some Rx or getting it on-line.

But eBay Pods and growing your own can be just as helpful. Getting Pods online is a real pain over here.
I've only managed to get some once and they were crappy pods. Compared to what you can get from the US, UK and Canada!

Don't discount poppy seed tea either. Look for some of my posts on it. There are many ways to make it.
I use about 200-300g per dose. I stick to that because of the variability of the opiates per batch. Don't want to OD and become another idiot.

Lastly. Fuck the Doctor. If you have a legit reason for pain and you need it to function. Then get a bigger Oxy dose. 4 x 40mg is like 2 x 80mg anyway! Surely he could up it to at least 5 x 40mg or 3 x 80mg ? Either that. Or perhaps he could provide you with some Percoset, whatever for any breakthrough pain. Or perhaps something like Tramadol which is more non-narcotic when you compare it to other drugs in the same strength class such as Codeine and Propoxyphene. It has very low affinity to the opioid receptors. And it is believed it's action comes from it's action on serotonin, norepinephrine and GABA. Rather than just it's action on the opioid receptors. Think outside da box. More pain, means more pills and it don't matter which ones. Hell even some Diazepam or Soma would go well with that Oxy.

[paperrabbit]

good luck in your ventures - just don't be expecting pods to be the same ride as the oxy. Don't get me wrong, I love the dear poppies, but they don't pack the same "punch" that the O does. It comes on slower, is more subtle and is more drawn out.

I guess with the dosage, there isn't much more I can say that hasn't already been said, just start slow. It took me a while to get to a comfortable area (quite the time working up, I was convinced pods just didn't work - stupid tolerance!) but with every new batch you have to be a careful.

:D

[vanilla_mlkshake2007]

[quote=ssjTiamat]Hello all. Let me give a short background before I get to the heart of my post.

I am a chronic pain sufferer. Have been on RX Opiates for about 5 years now and Oxy's for 3. Currently taking 40mg 4x per day. I am married with 3 young children and needless to say, witout my pain meds I am usually pretty useless. And if I am way too active (playing baseball with my son or something similar) and throw out my back I am screwed.... whether I have meds or not. Then while doing some generally non-related research on the net the other day I came across the recipe for poppy seed tea. Of course, my interest was sparked immedietaly! Esp. since I had previously seen a news report that a lady failed a pre-employment drug test because she ate a poppy seed bagel for breakfast! Anyway...

Here is what drew me to this site in the first place. I figure.. some very pretty "arrangements" skillfuly placed in a bare corner of my home would do just the trick to perk up the mood in the house. I love flowers! But seriously.. I know from the recent reading I have been doing that it is entirely possible to acheive a level of "simularity" between a pod "arrangement" and my current med situation. But my problme is my lack of floral experience. I have a ton of med and rx experience and I would almost consider myself an expert. Even on meds I don't use. I'm the kind of anal guy who researches everything. I figure that since 99% of doctors are assholes (from experience) it would serve me best to be as educated as possible about my pain situation and what options are available to remedy it. And I also "NEED" to know what I put into my body. The last thing I want to do is listen to some idiot Dr tell me that I need to take this particular med when the Dr himself wouldn't even prescribe it to himself had he been in the same situation. OK.. enuf ranting.

Ok "NOW LET'S ALL PLAY NICE IN THE SANDBOX" Well honestly I'd help you if I could but check out the above website someone i seen posted you'd be surprised what a li'l research will do but then again sometimes you are probably like me and want an answer right away.Wish I could help you out but this definately isn't my expertise(in fact i'm beginning to wonder If I have any expertise in anything anymore except Keeping myself from theW/D's lol

[ssjTiamat]

Wow.... I went from being flamed to actually being helped! Nice. I apreciate all the replies dudes and dudettes (if any).

I recently tried a supplier off Ebay (i know.. mistake?). I was not happy. Sure the pods came fast and to the best of my knowledge they were p. somni. but I got hardley any results. Maybe to young? I duno. One thing I did notice tho was there were hardley any or no seeds in any of the pods I had rec. Does that mean anything?

I did start slow.. just in case. Even tho my tolerance is rather high, I'm not stupid. But I started slow and titrated the rest of the drinking. I got nothing at all. So I guess what I would need is advice which it looks like I got some good stuff here to read at that web site. Thanks!

I will be around and I will let you all know how anything I try turns out. K?

Thanks again!

ssj

[ZodiacKiller]

Wow.... I went from being flamed to actually being helped! Nice. I apreciate all the replies dudes and dudettes (if any).

Well, what, did you think this was Bluelight?

Oh, SNAP!

[albert7]

Well, what, did you think this was Bluelight?

Oh, SNAP! im in the same boat im trying seeds to grow maybe mirical grow also some pods i have never tryed them but i have done just about everything else so wwhy not give it achance i argree with what that dude said about oxy verses poppy tea it seems like he is trying an alturnative

[exitwound]

Right now, things are a bit turned the other way around for me. I have all the poppies and MS Contin I can make use of and then some, because I am very sensitive to the vomiting which morphine can trigger. Because that's the only serious painkiller my doctor is willing to prescribe (with a pathetic amount of hydrocodone for breakthrough), I am unable to properly manage my pain.

Right now, a little oxycodone (or hydromorphone, or fentanyl, or heck even some H or some extra hydrocodone) would probably go a long way. I find myself falling apart just when my wife and baby need me and that's not cool at all. :(

[Cornburglar]

choose the mental institution for a wordy guy like you , youre better off


poor form Devil. :(

[Cornburglar]

Hello all. Let me give a short background before I get to the heart of my post.

I am a chronic pain sufferer. Have been on RX Opiates for about 5 years now and Oxy's for 3. Currently taking 40mg 4x per day. I am married with 3 young children and needless to say, witout my pain meds I am usually pretty useless. And if I am way too active (playing baseball with my son or something similar) and throw out my back I am screwed.... whether I have meds or not. Then while doing some generally non-related research on the net the other day I came across the recipe for poppy seed tea. Of course, my interest was sparked immedietaly! Esp. since I had previously seen a news report that a lady failed a pre-employment drug test because she ate a poppy seed bagel for breakfast! Anyway...

Here is what drew me to this site in the first place. I figure.. some very pretty "arrangements" skillfuly placed in a bare corner of my home would do just the trick to perk up the mood in the house. I love flowers! But seriously.. I know from the recent reading I have been doing that it is entirely possible to acheive a level of "simularity" between a pod "arrangement" and my current med situation. But my problme is my lack of floral experience. I have a ton of med and rx experience and I would almost consider myself an expert. Even on meds I don't use. I'm the kind of anal guy who researches everything. I figure that since 99% of doctors are assholes (from experience) it would serve me best to be as educated as possible about my pain situation and what options are available to remedy it. And I also "NEED" to know what I put into my body. The last thing I want to do is listen to some idiot Dr tell me that I need to take this particular med when the Dr himself wouldn't even prescribe it to himself had he been in the same situation. OK.. enuf ranting.

So... I ask all you experienced amature/professional "florists"....what can I do to acheive a level simularity between my current Oxy dose schedule and what is readily available in pod form? I will say that I did attempt a valid search campaign, but failed to come to any conclusions that I felt comfortable with. I know that if someone replied seriously to this post I would get better intel from at least one person vs what I was able to formulate on my own thru various searches.

I mean.. I know that pods are generally available for retail sale at various outlets. None of which are too close to where I live, so looks like the net may be my best bet. And of course we all know the risks involved with purchasing on the net. But.. I am sure there are great sources out there, just a matter of locating them. And of course the pods are "moe betta" then any seeds I can get locally. But by what percentage. Would you say using pods is a 75% increase in success rate? Or what? Because if it is a low percentage.. maybe I will just try the seeds since they seem a ton easier to get. But then if the number is much higher.. then pods are the only way to go. Right?

I'm not too worried about recipes. those are every where. But like I said above, my biggest curiosity stems from what amount of pods would equal what my body is currently used to "gazing" at?

If there is any help out there for a guy like me, (besides a mental institution, lol) please reply with some assistance. Or a PM would work too. I would be greatly appreciative and would (already am) try to return the favor by sharing my RX knowledge with the forums.

Thanks a bunch in advance!

ssjTiamat!

Well, the problem here is that there's no real measure for content from pod to pod. Each one, although perhaps similar, is it's own entity. To know how to gage dosages is just a trial and error sort of thing that comes through, well, trying and erring. It's in no way scientific and anyone who's been on the pod for any length of time will tell you, it can be both fun and sickening (literally). In terms of finding pods, try the craft store/florist route or ebay. I can PM you with some sites if you like. Remember though, pods aint on insurance and they got a devil all their own, if you know what I mean!

[nikz]

poppies are easily grown..create a patch..say ten by ten..till...throw seeds..a season or two prior..and wait..to cover mix with wild flowers.
When they come up, they will resemble weeds...green sticker leaves.until they shoot up and flower..after blooms wilt away, silt pods with razor-like device...allow milky resin to form...wait and collect..free pods..follow favorite recipe..poppies grow in many types of weather..water infrequently. Yield..alot..let nature thin.
Nikz

ps. the green sticker leaves are up and big this year..no reseed necessary

[devilsdrug]

took you a week to figure that out mr corn

[Cornburglar]

took you a week to figure that out mr corn


?

Sorry man.

Just thought this was a discussion forum. My bad.

[ssjTiamat]

some people are so touchy.

Thanks corn.

Let me just say this.. maybe this will help to end the discussion, I dunno.

Yes. I was originally looking for some sort of measure to make a dosage comparison for my self. I have since learned that is nearly impossible. Due to variances in potency and other reasons.

But I do ask this maybe in a different way. There has got to be a way to say this. Like for example... and first of all having it being said and understood that all pods are different etc, etc... but there can be a way to say, well... in general 3-5 pods can have this effect.. and 7 to 10 pods this effect... or maybe not. I in no way intend to use what is said as a strict guideline. But rather just as a means to have a bit more understanding to the strength of the pods, again, in general.

I dunno... I guess it doesnt matter. The main lesson learned here is to experiment "carefully" by trial and error with varying sized pods from various vendors, etc... and to know that no pod is created equal and every new batch should be treated as such. Agreed?

Ok... thanks all for the imput. It is much appreciated!

ssj!

[defenestrate]

pods definately don't hit you quite like oxy does, though the peaks can be plenty intense-i've been able to nod hard for a long time for not a lot of money off of pods.

i think the easiest way to get started with this and to get some idea is to buy a coffee grinder, break those pods up into pieces and chuck them in the grinder, make about 2 ounces worth of powder and add about 10oz of grapefruit juice to it. stir every now and then for 30min-1hr, and then (you can filter out the grit if you like-i personally do not-i'd hate to miss out on any of that poddy goodness!) drink the stuff over a period of an hour-maybe 1/4 of it every 20 minutes or so, so you can kind of gauge how hard it's hitting you. remember, this stuff lasts a long time and has a pretty mellow and slow comeup, so no need to rush things. stretch it out to a couple of hours if you like. after you've consumed it all, give yourself a half hour or so to see where it puts you. there's really no way to tell the potency of pods without having grown them yourself with strict control of the environment you're growing in (end even then, nature can be a tricky bitch!)-the same strain grown in the same field may vary greatly in different areas within said field. i personally usually make 1-2 oz of powder, add juice until it tops off at about 8oz of liquid, and go through the first cup pretty quickly because i have a pretty good idea of where my tolerance is at. i still will be a little more cautious with any new batch and not immediately prepare and slam another glass. if you can be patient and take your time, you will be able to find what works. i find the grapefruit juice with grinds in it to be quite potent, though qualitatively different than oxy, it is an effective painkiller and a good buzz (i find the poppies to be significantly more psychedelic-more lucid daydreams, more mild sensory distortion, sometimes a little hallucinating, but that's usually after going for a while, so sleep dep is likely a factor). i am personally about to try 2 new suppliers, though i've had decent luck with the two i've used so far. just trying to figure out what works best for me.

hope that is in some way helpful.

[Somni Divine]

I'm sorry to see that you were flamed for a legitimate question. I guess the maturity level has gone down as the membership numbers have gone up. I am sorry you were treated in such a way.
That being said, if I were you I would try poppy tea to start with, and if you want to figure the best way to make it check out poppies.org.
About three dried heads per cup of tea, minus the stems and you have a good home remedy that is pretty hard to OD on, you would either get sick or nod out first.

I also recommend you read the greatest book probably ever written on poppies - the poor guy ended up in jail because of an asshole "friend" turned him in. Opium for the Masses by Jim Hogshire is a great old classic that tells you, and a lot of other people with ???s about Papaver the answers you are looking for and more. I HIGHLY recommend it!

And may you find comfort despite your pain.

Sincerely,
Somni Divine
PS. And the rest of you should know if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. It isn't funny to flame someone, it is the type of thing that makes you lucky I'm not bi11ie because I'd have you posting your adolescent antics on another board !!!

[ssjTiamat]

Defenestrate and Somni Divine,

Thank you both for the advice. Somni... lol.. thanks for stickin' up for me. Much appreciated. But I took the flaming in stride... hoping that there was some sarcasm in the text since written sarcasm can often be construed as nastiness.

Anyway.. like I mentioned before, I tried a vendor off Ebay and was not too happy with the results. And to the best of my knowledge (based on recent research) the pods I rec. were P. Somni. so that was all good. But the potency was not even close to even being on the scale! So let me ask this of all you pod experienced florists; What does it mean if the pods contain NO seeds? I mean, I broke them open and only about 10 or less seeds came out of the pod (if even that many). Does that mean I got a bogus batch? Were the pod too young? Were they picked and dried BEFORE they flowered?

I have no idea if that means anything... but since everything I have read about tea preperation stated that when you bust open the pods tons of seeds will fall out. And since mine had none.. I kinda figured there was something wrong. Whatchya think?

I think the vendor I used is my problem. I have since got some vendor info from another member here and I am going to try them. But if anyone would be so kind as to PM me with a vendor who you have used and rec. quality pods from. Pods that actually WORK... I would be happy to give them a shot as well after this next order. I would appreciate any help in this area that anyone could provide as this would make my life a whole lot easier. Ohh.. and don't forget my question about the seeds... I am really curious about that one.

Thanks a ton. And seriously... I look forward to becoming an active and productive contributing member of these forums. I DO have things to contribute and I'm sure at least something I have to say will be usefull to someone...:D

Thanks again all!!

ssj

[doctor diesel]

ssj,

My wife has a disease named fibromyalgia, which basically puts her nervous system into hyperdrive (warp factor 9) so that all inputs - that's pain, hearing, light, the lot - are amplified and pretty unbearable. This woman knows pain of all types - knows them intimately.
Docs won't prescribe anything that properly controls the pain, so the best she gets is codeine, tramadol, and if it's really bad, a very limited supply of temgesic. However, when she's having a flare up, even temgesic doesn't hit the spot, and that's when I turn to pod tea. The tea is the only thing we've got access too that we KNOW will make her comfortable again - it will kill off even the most intense pain she's suffering. Not only that, it'll do it for twelve hours or more - not many pills can compare with that performance, eh?
So I just want to reassure you that PT can be a VERY potent painkiller; you may have had a mediocre experience with pods so far, but it's a matter of trial and error - foremost with the supplier and pod concentration.
As for us, we get 150 gigantheum pods at a time from an ebay vendor based in the Netherlands. and we use 12-17 pods for one brew (which is two very effective teas). I've bought pods a third their size though - from a Californian connection - that were twice as strong as this stuff.
Stick with it till you get it right, but as all the good ol' boys on this site keep saying, start low and work up at 1.5-hourly intervals to avoid any unpleasantness.
May your pain soon be soothed.

Doc Diesel

[defenestrate]

So let me ask this of all you pod experienced florists; What does it mean if the pods contain NO seeds? I mean, I broke them open and only about 10 or less seeds came out of the pod (if even that many). Does that mean I got a bogus batch? Were the pod too young? Were they picked and dried BEFORE they flowered?

it tends to mean that either a> the pods were drilled for seed or b> they were left on the plant long enough for the pods to vent, and the seeds went naturally. if you see little holes in the top of the pod, t probably vented naturally. while i like seeds in my pods, they work just fine wthout.

[ssjTiamat]

OK. Thanks. I was wondering what that mean.. and now I know.

But considering the natural venting of the seeds, would that mean then that the pod was left on the plant soo long that the potency also has diminished?

[Rent]

The more research you do on the poppy, unfortunately for me becomes am obsession sometimes, the better vendors you will come across. After many years of EBay only pods, I have finally found truly beautiful pods. The down side to this is I can no longer take medication. It has no effect on me what so ever. Decided to take a break from pods, friend came over with 8omg OC. My nose was still running and eyes watered all day long. Wasn't high, wasn't bough, but had the water eyes and runny nose. Just something else you might want to consider, especially if you have chronic pain, and are in need of prescription meds. My only fear is if I get hurt, and hospitalized. How in the hell would I explain????

[exitwound]

Indeed. Diesel speaks the truth. Out of all my experiences, poppy products (fresh latex, tea, ISO opium-tar, powdered grounds in vegicaps, etc) are second only to a few of the really high-end pharmaceuticals like Oxycontin, Dilaudid, and Fentanyl. And it gives even those a run for their money when it comes to pain relief. Opium is very effective in all its forms, and tea made from dried pods purchased by third parties can be very economical.

You can also grow your own, which is a vital thing that I think FAR more opiophiles need to be doing. We need to resurrect the domestic opiate production market, put some pressure on the organized crime black market heroin and diverted pharms. Be more independent and self-sufficient. Always have a backup to your other sources, so you're never really at their mercy.

ssj,

My wife has a disease named fibromyalgia, which basically puts her nervous system into hyperdrive (warp factor 9) so that all inputs - that's pain, hearing, light, the lot - are amplified and pretty unbearable. This woman knows pain of all types - knows them intimately.
Docs won't prescribe anything that properly controls the pain, so the best she gets is codeine, tramadol, and if it's really bad, a very limited supply of temgesic. However, when she's having a flare up, even temgesic doesn't hit the spot, and that's when I turn to pod tea. The tea is the only thing we've got access too that we KNOW will make her comfortable again - it will kill off even the most intense pain she's suffering. Not only that, it'll do it for twelve hours or more - not many pills can compare with that performance, eh?
So I just want to reassure you that PT can be a VERY potent painkiller; you may have had a mediocre experience with pods so far, but it's a matter of trial and error - foremost with the supplier and pod concentration.
As for us, we get 150 gigantheum pods at a time from an ebay vendor based in the Netherlands. and we use 12-17 pods for one brew (which is two very effective teas). I've bought pods a third their size though - from a Californian connection - that were twice as strong as this stuff.
Stick with it till you get it right, but as all the good ol' boys on this site keep saying, start low and work up at 1.5-hourly intervals to avoid any unpleasantness.
May your pain soon be soothed.

Doc Diesel

[ssjTiamat]

I really appreciate all of the input guys, really. this thread has really turned out to be quite informative for me and for that I am grateful.

Since I had started this thread some time back I have experimented with a couple more vendors (two to be exact). And although I had better experiences with these last two versus my very first I am still not too satisfied. Maybe it is my high tolerance, maybe the pod potency, it could be many factors. Problem is that I do not have the money for both, pods and my prescription meds. So when forced to choose one, I have to go with the RX simply because I KNOW it will work. I know what it's effects are and how potent the relief will be when I take a certain amount. Unfort. I cannot say the same for the tea. It is so up and down until you find that one "true" vendor and I really don't feel like experimenting all that much.

Am I completely done with the tea? No. Not by any means. Just right this moment, I will be taking a break sorta. I will continue with my meds, which have just gotten upped to a higher strength also, and try a new pod order sometime within the next couple months. With my very last 15 pods I made a tea and went the evap. route and rolled the tar into balls for easy ingestion (a 15 pod tea is really a nasty,nasty drink!) - this actualy worked well and if I take 3 "balls" I can get some decent relief comparable to about 80mg of Oxy which I am very happy about. So I just hope my next vendor I try will have decent stuff.

When the time comes I will probably hit you guys up for some vendor reccomendations (via pm of course) - but for the time being I have to stick with the RX.

Thanks all for the advice (zodiac, defen, EW, corn, somni, and doc diesel just to name a few!) - very valuable!!



SSJ

[exitwound]

one thing to keep in mind though, you should have enough poppies (in whatever form: ISO opium tar, tea, grounds, etc) so that you can stop your oxy use for at least one dosage interval and use only poppies. this will let the oxy leave your receptors and allow the morphine/other alkaloids in the poppies to be utilized efficiently. otherwise they will only be about 40% as effficient while oxycodone is blocking most of your receptors!

[ssjTiamat]

just one dosage interval? Not more? I would think it would take a whole day or even more. Maybe two or three. If thats true then the situation would not be as bleek as previously thought. But that is pointless now however. I am all set for now. Just filled my script and have the rest of my "balls" for later use. Not sure when I will order more pods... Im just not sure. I know I will... but when is the question.


Thanks EW