How much H to use

[satori]

If somebody has a low tollerance to opiates, say... 10-15mg hydrocodone has a strong affect, how much, or should i say how little powder should this person use if he's using it for its pain killing atributes (and some of the good feeling). He wants to drag it out over the longest period of time possible as well. Also what kind of bad reactions can some 1 have to H? If they are ok with every other opiate they have tried should it be alright? Or are things like itching and going a little crazy still possible?

[soulman]

if you snort it, i'd say a dime should be cool. that's what i did the first time, you probably will puke ,but trust me, YOU won't care!!!:D :D :D

[candy]

Itching, nausea, vomiting, are more common side-effects with heroin. If someone has not done heroin before and it's the first time, be careful. It is hard to say what is an effective amount. Being unfamiliar with powder and only black tar, it is hard to say how much will give you good pain control without being to high.

I wouldn't suggest using alone if it is your first time.

Be careful

[Zonker]

That's an interesting question. I'd say.. If this is real, good, white stuff, not much at all. It's been a long time since I first tried it, but I seem to recall that a very small amount should do. I remember being 15 and having a $20 last me for two days, so I'd say.. Like a small line; 1/2 as much as you can scoop out on a toothpick. If that don't do anything after awhile, try a tiny amount more.
Also, if you want it to last longer, I'd say to dissolve it in a nice glass of water and sip it slowly.
I've put dope in my beer plenty, oh plenty of times, and I can say that this method works great for me, without the IV rush & spin. (Good for that week with the folks) SWIM regularly gives his drug-free wife a little in her water and/or beer whenever she gets stressed out, and it works great. Never been caught, and he's been doing it for years.

[satori]

SWIM regularly gives his drug-free wife a little in her water and/or beer whenever she gets stressed out, and it works great. Never been caught, and he's been doing it for years.




HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW. I bet when she gets all freaked out or anxious she go's "wow im like craving water right now...."



Im going to try a tiney bit, im hoping back gets better soon, bags of manure are not fun things to mess with when u have back problems to begin with. When nothing is hurting i have an easy time taking opiates a few times a week and putting them aside at the end of the day, but when my back hurts it becomes a much harder line to walk.

[satori]

How sick are we talking? Will it matter how much i take? like if i take a tiny amoutn will i still become that sick? or will it be less so........ what can help with itchyness? (itchyness lol). I still have 6 hydrocodone so im godd for a couple days, then maybe i can stash the 20$ bag for a rainy day or day of labor.

[poppy]

SWIM regularly gives his drug-free wife a little in her water and/or beer whenever she gets stressed out, and it works great. Never been caught, and he's been doing it for years.

Hopefully u were joking Zonker but if not thats just plain stupid, what more can I say. Where I come from spiking drinks with any type of drug whatsoever is a definite no no!!

[antony]

[quote=satori]I still have 6 hydrocodone so im godd for a couple days[quote]

6 hydro can last you a couple days, yet you feel the need to jump to H?

I have no problem with you doing what you want, but you don't feel that s a pretty big jump?


I'd wanna take my xrays and see a real doc, instead seeing some asshole thats making you resort to this

post and let us know what happens

good luck

[satori]

Yea i decided against it, like usual. I always come back to the same conclusion which is i shouldnt go any higher then oxycodone (which i never get). I dont enjoy hydrocodone as much as say oxy so its a little safer for me to use and not become hibutual. Deff. dont want major WD again i hate that feeling / sickness. Thanks for input though every one.

[ZodiacKiller]

^ Well, if you hate WDs from Hydro, you ain't gonna want to WD from Heroin. It is not fun. However, IMO OxyContin and decent street grade Heroin aren't THAT much different. I find the H high a little warmer and nod-prone, and OC a little more synthetic, yet stimulating. Also, with a pharm like OC, you're always sure of precise dosing, whereas Heroin varies wildly, dependent on quality, cuts used, etc...

I found the WD from OC and Heroin to be pretty similar, and withdrawing from Methadone was tons worse than either. By far. I'm scared to use Methadone recreationally now because it was so hellish.

Disclaimer: The above statements are based on MY experiences only. Everyone is different (duh), so your experiences may be nowhere close to mine. Had to say it, sorry....

ZodiacKiller

[phaedros]

if you stash that 20 dollar bag for later chances are its gonna fall an turn to bullshit.if you let it sit around too long it wont be good anymore.


when i first snorted H i used to get blown on a quarter of a matchstick line.it depends on the purity.but what is real cool about it is how fast you are completely blown.if its good you damn near countdown from ten..lol it really tastes like shit though...a helluva lot worse than PT in my opinion.

its a very bad habit to get into though...its so strong that after you have did it ..it effects your other drug use..in other words what used to be your high is no longer your high anymore..lol ive never found anything that gets me blown away like H.


be careful.

[satori]

Yea ill stick to 60mg codeine

[devilsdrug]

back when i had a raging habit somebody ask me that id say i wanna almost die , it kinda funny now i was asked a couple days if i wanted any and i said no ill just stick with my tea and or other pod products plus my large assortment of pharmies

[Zonker]

Hopefully u were joking Zonker but if not thats just plain stupid, what more can I say. Where I come from spiking drinks with any type of drug whatsoever is a definite no no!!
No joke, but you'd have to have known the couple and their situation to fully understand it; She's mentally ill and refuses her meds sometimes. A tiny dose of H is preferable to three plus weeks in a mental hospital and all the resulting BS.
Now, I'm not saying that it's smart, or that it's anything I would do, or advise doing. Quite the contrary, actually. When he told me he'd been doing that for years, a year ago, I thought he was nuts, and we argued about it. Then I saw her full-blown psychotic episode, and now.. It's just entertaining in a philosophical way; they're married, he has the best of intentions.
He got the idea from the hospital telling him to crush her zyprexa(olanzapiene?) and mix it in her food if she refused her meds and was getting psychotic.
All I think is: if she suspected, and went nuts.. Boy would he be in a world of shit. But hey, that's his problem; I was referring simply to the practice of drinking it.
Hmmm. Feeling defensive for no adequate reason.. Time to self-medicate.

[Zonker]

HAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW. I bet when she gets all freaked out or anxious she go's "wow im like craving water right now...."
Im going to try a tiney bit, im hoping back gets better soon, bags of manure are not fun things to mess with when u have back problems to begin with. When nothing is hurting i have an easy time taking opiates a few times a week and putting them aside at the end of the day, but when my back hurts it becomes a much harder line to walk.
Actually, I hear she thought that water had an anxiolytic effect ever since the first time she was hospitalized (for psychosis), and they treated her for dehydration instead(Why, I do not know).

Back when I did acid frequently, I can remember that drinking water was pleasurable and relaxing; it had a very 'wet' feeling. I shall feel free to assume that the two are connected. hehe.

Have you tried a muscle relaxer or anti-inflamitory for the back? I pave, and alot of the guys I work with have scripts for stuff like that for back pain; one I know gets Vioxx, and another.. Chlozoxazone, I think, but I might be wrong.

Overall, though, I'd say that your decision not to use H for pain control is smarter; I never really considered its' use that way for myself, but I'd think that it would be better to use your dope recreationally, and save the pills for pain management. If you're not nearing your APAP max, you might want to try more of that, or some ibuprofen if your stomach, liver, and drinking habit (or lack therof) can take it. When I am sick, I swear by ibuprofen. I suspect, though, that when my liver kicks, I'll swear at it instead.

[poppy]

Sorry! Me and my big mouth, jumping in without knowing all the facts. I guess in the circumstances (spelling) u describe things are different and usual boundries blurred

[Zonker]

Sorry! Me and my big mouth, jumping in without knowing all the facts. I guess in the circumstances (spelling) u describe things are different and usual boundries blurred
No problem. I didn't put all the facts out there; when I reread that post of mine this am, I could easily see your reaction. Dosing people for fun is not cool in most peoples' books.
I hear H works better than her ativan or her zyprexa come crisis time, and it's water-soluable.
I'm a situational ethics - to - no ethics person, myself. Take all you can get with both hands, give nothing back. If you think what you are dong is right, then it is, unless you're taking away other peoples' Property, rights or freedoms. That would be where the 'no dosing' comes in. But then... I think I took too many philosophy classes.
btw, the spelling is correct.. But I'd love to see a spellcheck opton on here!

[satori]

Ok i have considered trying H for recreational purposes. i very rarely buy opiates for recreation, or atleast admit tahts what its for. I usualy have some type of pain that i can justify getting it for and REALLY want to try it. i live in the middle of no where and this person can get it really easy. He said he will only get it for me once then he wont again (he was addicted once and said if i want to try it thats fine but he wont help me again) so once i get it once, thats it. Im SUPER SUPER CURIOUS now. Its something i keep thinking about and wonder what it will feel like. My back is better , its not that im trying to just drownd everything away. I have hundreds of clonopin - and xanax, plus poppy extract that i never use. Im very selective in what i do and how i do it but this.... SUPER curious because of all the hype around it. Its powder form.... thats all i know


I will sleep on it, if i get it i will probably try a SUPER SUPER small amount. The only way i will try it is if i find out its a lot like OXY. Is it like oxy? especialy if u take a small amount? I dont want to nod, i like to stay away, have the feeling a little but able to function and think normaly. Any input? If this was a sourse i could keep getting from i would be more hessitant but sense he wont get it again i feel a little better, plust he fact i have tried things in the past (things i LOVED) and decided to stop getting. ANy input apreciated guys. Also try not to judge, i get offended some times when others tell me how or what i should do (strange hu!).

[ZodiacKiller]

^ Well, heroin is similar to oxy (hence OxyContin being nicknamed "hillbilly heroin" in some parts), however, I find (and a lot of folks seem to agree) that oxy is more synthetic feeling and more stimulating in a weird way. I find heroin to be much more nod-inducing; in fact I'm nodding like crazy right now--I must have stared at this page for twenty minutes while my mind drifted before waking enough to post this reply.

I dunno, though, about this hook-up you've got. I too was an oxy-only guy for a long time 'till necessity (no available oxy) forced me to cop some heroin---and I've never looked back. It is by far the best opiate out there (in MY opinion--fentanyl lovers and whatnot, please no flaming, haha), and these days it is the better economical option as well. I still enjoy oxy sometimes, too, but the H is my sweet bitch now for sure. If I were in your shoes and copped some and absolutely loved it and then was told that I wouldn't be able to get it again, well, that would bum me the fuck out. But I love it.

ZodiacKiller

[gene44]

I have heard the hillbillie heroin analogy before but it seems very different to me.I have chewed or snorted oc's many times and I am always left wanting more, it just isn't nearly as good as heroin!

[satori]

I think he is either saying that because he doesnt want to be a middle man, but more likely because he is worried about seing me addicted (he's still on methadone treatment). He said he doesnt have a problem getting it for me if i want to try it once MAYBE-MAYBE twice but after that, thats all. Im still trying to decide if i want to get it.

[satori]

ALRIGHT, i kept thinking "well i will get it when i want to try it". Well earlier i wanted to try it and i could not get ahold of him. So im going to just get it and keep it on hand. I havent taken anything stronger then morphine (and oxy) so this will be entresting. Im going to use a tiny amount at first. Ill update when theres something to update.

[candy]

It won't stay recreational for long.....I think I said the same thing myself at one time. Of course, I was using Morphine and Demerol at the time as well. Yeah, heroin just seemed more fun and well now I am on Methadone.

Be careful. I have a feeling your going to love heroin way more than Oxycontin!

And in my opinion, it is never just once!

[satori]

Im buying this one time for sure, it will be used more then once lol. But i have never taken anything stronger then codeine over a couple week period (except oxy for a few months). Not saying that would never change but i have been able to buy things then not buy more.