IM VS. IV

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

i have not posted in years..... but now i have a need to, a little background about my usage... ive iv'd herion for 2 years then got on mmt 80 mg for a year all the while shooting cocaine for about 6 months during mmt, then i moved to laramie wyoming... fucking worst place on earth, lots of hicks and im a heavly tattooed.. ie full sleeves, tops of hands, knuckles, neck, and im long haired person didnt as much talk to someone as to try to score drugs, but while i was there i got on subs and tapered completely off. Then i moved to denver and was clean and sober off everything including alcohol for 6 months. Then i move back to beautiful long beach california! Within 2 days i was back to IM'ing heroin every weekend, i would get no withdrawl then i started buying enough to go for 2 days and slightly feel uncomfortable after. Now i thought by im i would get not as nasty withdrawls, Do i get the same high as IM vs. IV, not so much the rush, but the high after. Like would i get just as high if i iv less or does it take more im?

-stephen!

[simfromstoke]

whatever way you choose to take it, you might be able to chip for a few months but i can almost guarantee that it'll come back and bite you on the arse at some point

when i tried to do what you're doing a few years back id allways buy some subs or juice to ease me back into the real world painlessly and if i couldnt get sub or juice i wouldnt buy any smack

this was all quite a few years ago now

i dont think that i could chip like that anymore

if you CAN, you are fucking lucky but inside i think you know what you are really craving

a smackhead is a smackhead however much/often they take it

if you can choose now, you are very lucky

chipping AFTER being an addict will almost ALLWAYS end in an addiction AGAIN

i cant tell you "oh dont do drugs" cause you gotta do whatever makes you happy
maybe you NEED to be an addict again for a bit before you can get properly clean

just try and stay safe and try and avoid getting abcesses at all costs
you WILL regret those in the future(abcesses)

enjoy whatever you do
-sim

[Voyager]

You surely need less when you I.V. to get the same effects you got from a bigger dose which you I.M.ed.
I.V. is the strongest ROA.

And bangin' smack I.M is a pretty risky thing to do man !
You can get all sorts of diseases, abscesses, etc..
If yer already playin' with the syringe and needles, go for the I.V. and enjoy to the edge.

So, leave the I.M. ROA and go for the I.V. ROA.
That way you'll feel all the joys of Diamorphine at their full.

[RxQueen]

it doesn't matter how you take it as far as WD's, just how much you're doing and for how long you do it. IMing won't keep you from getting sick if you get strung out. if you IV, you probably won't need quite as much to get off, plus you'll get the rush that you can't get from IM.

with that said, if you've already popped your IV cherry, especially since your getting tar out there, you might as well mainline that shit. tar heroin is particularly horrible for causing absesses and really bad infections for people who IM (ever hear of necrotizing faciitis, or the flesh-eating bacteria? it's connected to IM tar pretty often). the shit is LOADED with impurities, much more so than powder H. of course, tar's also famous for being hell on the veins and causing shooters to lose all their good ones in short order.

it's a tough call for tar users, but i think that i'd IV it for as long as i could scare up a decent vein. i'm just glad to be an east-coaster where powder heroin still rules. (god i hope that shitty tar never takes over this side of the country!)

[givemesomefuckingsmack]

like i said i iv'd herion for 2 years, and not its not tar im getting its a not too dark brown rough granular powder with hints of gold. And IV ing is too hard and frustrating, after iving for 2 years with needles id use for 5-10 uses and throw them out and shooting coke for 6 months, you know shooting every 5 min, my veins are nice and fucked. Any hints?

[poonwhalla]

Its probably tar if you are in CA. It may be cut to shit but almost def tar. Did you breath on it and watch it turn back into tar yet? If your veins are shot you could hot rail it, or plug it or chase it. If you do decide to IM it, get a longer needle then a insulin needle to get deeper in the muscle to help prevent abcesses

[Voyager]

Yeah, if you want to I.M. it's a great neccessity to have a long needle.
That's a standard sized needle for the I.M. application.
And the best place to give it a shot is above your butt, but you gotta be carefull, because if you go too high, you might hit the main nerves and thus get your left or right leg paralised for an extended period of time, maybe even for forever.
It happened a lotta times to a lotta people.

But I'm saying again, shooting smack I.M. is too bad man !
And you say you get not so dark heroin which is granular.
Man, if it's not too dark and if it's granular, then you are getting some pretty good and pure smack !
Those granules are actually the pure Diamorphine.
When I used to buy smack, I always demanded of my dealer to sell me the more costly one which had those granules of pure Diamorphine.
That way I'd know that I'm getting almost 90% pure smack.

Shooting Heroin I.M. is bad...unless you have a completly 100% pharmaceutically pure Diamorphine like they have in the UK.

[Voyager]

P.S.
If you are really getting black tar (the dark, almost black coloured stuff in the rock form, looks pretty much like hashish, then you don't wanna do it nor I.M. nor I.V.
Go for the plugging in that case.

[blutuesday]

i have not posted in years..... but now i have a need to, a little background about my usage... ive iv'd herion for 2 years then got on mmt 80 mg for a year all the while shooting cocaine for about 6 months during mmt, then i moved to laramie wyoming... fucking worst place on earth, lots of hicks and im a heavly tattooed.. ie full sleeves, tops of hands, knuckles, neck, and im long haired person didnt as much talk to someone as to try to score drugs, but while i was there i got on subs and tapered completely off. Then i moved to denver and was clean and sober off everything including alcohol for 6 months. Then i move back to beautiful long beach california! Within 2 days i was back to IM'ing heroin every weekend, i would get no withdrawl then i started buying enough to go for 2 days and slightly feel uncomfortable after. Now i thought by im i would get not as nasty withdrawls, Do i get the same high as IM vs. IV, not so much the rush, but the high after. Like would i get just as high if i iv less or does it take more im?

-stephen!

I have been using IV drugs since fifteen y/o. I am now 25. I began on IV cocaine, which as you know does a number on the veins. I have been off of cocaine for quite some time. I even spent a period of breaking down crack using lemon juice (BAD BAD BAD) or vinegar and shooting that. I did not have fantastic veins to begin with either. I have pretty much NOTHING left. I am female, and I have been just about everywhere u can go. (I don't have the luxury of a dick vein lol) but I did use all the superficial ones in the breasts. My arms and feet veins were the first to die, then my hands. I have been in my legs everywhere front and back, Ive been on my stomach, my ribs, my armpits, my fingers, my fingertips, the palms of my hands (very painful, NO vein capacity, push in SUPER slow, SUPER steady hand needed.) So my dilemma other than when I need IV medical attention, is that I truly have no veins. I am a very good shot, being that I have been at this a while, and I also am a nurse, so I never met a vein that I can't get, except for my own!. My ROA for the past year to year and a half has mainly been IM, other than a few lucky strikes. The main difference between IV and IM is that with IM you don't get the same rush as IV, but you do get as high IMO. In fact, the one plus side to IM usage, is that I find it lasts longer. When I first began dope we had good tar around here, which I used to IV. Now it is mostly raw dope, which I IM. I will say to whoever said you cannot IM tar, you are incorrect, as you can IM tar, but it just has more risk of an abcess than the more tissue soluble raw. I have IM'd plenty of tar and felt great. Now that I am primarily an IM user, on the rare, very rare occasion that I do get a vein, I usually find myself thinking that I should have IM'd, because after the rush is over, I feel depressed and am like damn, if I would have IM'd I would still be feeling it now. Just try to make sure you have a nice sharp needle and don't buy the shorts. Try at least a 1/2 inch needle or greater, depending on location, Fuck I don't even remember the question you asked now, I have been rambling so much. Sorry. If this doesn't answer it, let me know...I am the queen of IM heroin! :p

[Duckfeet]

Yeah, my girl IMed for the same reasons...and me and her both trashed most of our veins on long coke binges--some friend's were liberating hospital pharmacies in the south, and would get pharmaceutical coke...plus some dope dealers got robbed of their stash, and it didn't take her but a few weeks of that fun, for her veins to be gone forever, and she had to im k4 dilaudids, which would occasionally turn into abcesses...but a needle junky is a needle junky...and we don't worry much about the future, to be truthfulll

I had some veins survive, being a guy, etc...but tar pretty much finished'em off: I agree you *can* IM tar, and if it's "clean" enough I guess it will be alright...but all the little pamphlets they give out at needle xchanges down here--and my own experience--is that tar seems to be getting "dirtier" and abcesses are more and more common...about every six months now I have to give blood, and it is so traumatic I hate it...no veins and inexperienced nurses are a miserable experience....

Also tar hardens your veins, even if u don't miss, and seems to really do a lot of damage to surrounding tissue. I haven't much good to say about it, and again, IMing tar is warned against by most Harm Reduction tracts...

Best wishes...

[jacky]

alot of the people that I know that liked to IM, or would do it thinking that they were making the dope last longer, got bad absesses..

shooting tar heroin straight into the vein may not be entirely tidy...but at least they (veins) are a major highway for white blood cells, I never heard of anyone getting the flesh eating bacteria infection that shot IV...it was all the IM poppers or dermal poppers that were getting these horrid infections.

I subjected myself to some bad hygiene on the streets of California...but I would always cook the dope.

even a clean living person using needles can subject themselves to staff infection...it is carried by people, animals,etc...so you can think that you are clean and tidy...but in reality, stuff sneaks in.

the only drug I put in the muscle is clean ketamine. and I dont do that anymore. just for the record. mostly because I cant get any...but that is because I am done trying hard to get K...

anyway...if you want to make the dope last longer..maybe take grapefruit, or tagamet.

if you want daily pain, and subjecting yourself to infection IM,
if your out of veins and want to start jabbing the muscle...give up.

if your in chronic pain...get a pump that nurses tend to everyonce in awhile.