very very important!!!!

[red26]

If and I say IF a citazen was to call the DEA and doctors you're seeing can they get you flagged from precription fills and put on any sort of a DEA watch list?
I ask this because an accquanitance of mine accused me of taking meds of his(wich of course I absolutely did not sunofabitch!) and made some pretty fucked up threats to me out-right saying he's going to do just this.

Now, I have some really serious memory problems but at this point in my life not to mention I actually considered this guy to be a very close friend(I know I said accquaintance but whatever) and respected him and valued his friendship, and would not be taking meds from this cat. He needs his just as much as I do mine. There were two other people in his house that night and I have to suspect it was one of them. Even with my memory problems being what they are I would remember stealing meds from him not to mention feeling an increadible amount of guilt.

The fact that he threatened to call my doctors and tell them god knows what pisses me off to the point of making sure the dude would never use his hands again(just cuz I'm pissed absolutely does not come close to giving me nearly enough motivation to do any such thing).

I'd like to think that nothing will come of this but still, I have a good relationship with the doctor Im seeing and would hate to lose any respect he might have for me.

So please if you have any notion of what could be possable let me know and thank you in advance.

[alowishus]

I'm no expert on this but I'll say what I know.

All the "good" drugs that go out of the pharmacies also goes throught the DEA; now what info they get from the pharmacies other then how much of the good stuff they are selling I don't know. I would guess the name of the doc, date, and maybe other stuff related to the doc. I would think no info about the person that the Rx is made out too, but w/ the laws that Bush pushed through the fight the evil doer's - they may ever well get that info - but I would think they couldn't use it against someone in a court of law. Just like Microsoft knowing if you've got a ripped copy of windows, sure they do but they can't use it against you because of the way they obtain the info......ya know?

I would think if your friend went straight to the DEA he wouldn't get any where except put on hold for a while then transffered to someone that would listen to what he has to say, hang up and forget the call ever happened. I'm sure they get ALOT of calls from people wanting to fuck over others....

But if he called your doc or the pharmacies you could have issues. Not having a doc OR any Rx (at least not anything good) I don't know what they would do, but I would thing it would be something.

Sorry I couldn't be any more help.

[repeek]

He should have dumbfuck tattooed on his forehead. Guess who would be the first person who's records would be looked at if he called the DEA? His, what a dumbfuck.

I had a pharmacy call my doctor after I went off on one of the peewee wannabe pharmies because I demanded an early refill on my xanax, the next visit the doctor threw out this out of character question at me, and he was just waiting to see how I would react. I calmly layed out my complaint and got my script changed from one xanax at bedtime to take one for pre seizure symptoms as needed. So the my script went from one a day to as many as I needed. They all almost shit their pants when he gave me an open ended script for xanax.

I have a relationship with my Dr that goes back almost fifteen years, never called once for an early refill, so when the pharmacy called and said some shit about me, he made a note asked me about the incident in a real indiscriminate way; and that was the end of it.

I would think your Dr would be more concerned with your health than someone else's bullshit (as long as he is not getting calls on a regular basis).

[robojunkie]

Think about how we look at rats...the other side doesn't respect them anymore than we do I believe. And like agent smith said its likely the doctor wouldn't take it seriously, he'd probably think its just some douche with a vendetta. I wouldn't worry about it, hell DEA getting calls from some bitch whining about stolen pills is like calling Secret Service about some asshole that threatened to shoot yo dog with a BB gun. Not taken seriously I suspect.

[Raz]

^^^^^I;d agree with Robo on this way.....They would probably look at your Dr more than you, just to see if he was writing any questionable scripts.....But i wouldnt be too concerned, although i would be in my toes.....

You would probably be better off trying to convince the dude it just wasnt you bro.....you didnt nick his meds....

[candy]

First off all your doctor or your pharmacy cannot even recognize you as a patient or as a patron due to HIPPA
Laws. So Red, don't sweat it....I think your friend is just trying to sweat ya!
Nothing will happen, except he makes an ass out of himself!

[simfromstoke]

if it had happened to me,
the next time i was due to see the doc i wouldn't mention it to him the minute i walked through his door but i would just casually drop it in conversation that some arsehole of a friend who had lost his meds was ranting and raving and was blaming you.
and just cooly ask the doc if he had any supid calls from said "friend" and if the doc suspects any foul-play just tell him that you'll give him a piss sample, there and then or even a blood sample if thats what it took.
by calling his bluff, he can see that you aren't just pulling his chain
and tell the doc that this incident was and is causing you anxiety and just let him advise you what to do.

i discuss everything with my doctor from troubles with the kids to my sleeping pattern to my searching for a new job.

and like when i was anxious about going for interviews with all the scars on my hands he immediately prescribed me some wonderfull gel for the scars that removed 80% of them in 2- 3weeks (and thats after poking needles in my arms/hands 2 - 4 times a day for 7 years)

so just tell your doc. you are just covering your arse by doing so. and if your friend hasn't called, you can tell your doc that it was causing you axiety last week or whenever

either way you're in the clear and by offering to take a piss sample, what could your doc do BUT belive you

goodluck, whatever you decide to do
and id ask myself is that friendship worth the stresses he causing you
anyways

take it easy

-sim

[Ickyuck]

First off all your doctor or your pharmacy cannot even recognize you as a patient or as a patron due to HIPPA
Laws. So Red, don't sweat it....I think your friend is just trying to sweat ya!
Nothing will happen, except he makes an ass out of himself!

Wait, tho... couldn't the DEA get all into HIPPA's pants if they had to? Just wondering.

Anyway, back to your spazzing "friend". Since there were 2 other people there, and I'm assuming there is no proof whatsoever that you did it (I take your word for it btw), how the hell is he going to bitch to anyone; look at the circumstances. Oh and about the doctor thing...

I am pretty sure that due to HIPPA, again, NO ONE other then yourself of allowed family members may discuss information about you to your doctor. This I know because my parents used to try to call up my doctors to get dirt on me or tell them some bullshit. I emphasize on "used to try". SO, just to seal the deal, I called up my doctors and furiously demanded that they never take any calls from anyone but me and the one person specified on my emergency list. So Red, make sure the office support people at all of your doctors are aware of this privacy thing (and they probably are). And just causually mention to your doc, if you can, that your friend has been acting crazy and threatening to frame you.

I'll be freaking dammed if a doctor took a call from an "aquaintence" of a patient. And as for the DEA, like the other posters said, they would be more interested in the actual doctors and are way too busy anyway to sit and listen to your paranoid nutcase friend whom also uses drugs. I mean, where does he get HIS drugs from?

Oh well... Good luck! :musik010:

[pain-pateint]

I would say it all depends on how this "friend" presents himself when he calls your doc or your pharmacy. If he credibly pretends to be a pharmacist or another health care provider concerned about your excessive "prescription use" making you "drowsy". "drive poorly and dangerously", or the sort, this may well end up as note in your chart or your pharmacist's records. Once in there, it seems to me they would HAVE to act on it or face potential legal liability for doing nothing once warned. This would also apply if he pretended to be a family member or someone who knows you well and is "worried that he is stuporous and drowsy" and engages in dangerous activity while impaired.......By "act", of course, I refer to range of options from counseling you on proper use of the meds to asking you provide "testimonials" from others that you do not get all f*cked up on the stuff, asking you to take a drug test, to sending you to a "counselor" to making a "red flag" for future reference, i.e., the next time they get info like this.

This is just my two cents, and also how I would advise the doc or pharmie if he were my client.....

Best,

M

[red26]

This cat was sayin all kinds of B.S. like he's gunna call BOTH my doctors and tell them what I'm doing. Threatening that he's gunna make it impossable for me to get another script in "this county" and "believe me , I have the time" . At first I was in a real oh fuck! stae of mind but the more I thought about it I realized I did'nt do a damn thing wrong and this dude is just on the rag.

I gotta say though, it was kinda funny listening to him scream insults at me like a 12 year old and hearing traffic and street noises in the background realizing he's making quite the spectacle of himself on some street corner. Jesus fuckin Christ. How the hell do I find these assholes anyway?

[poonwhalla]

Jesus fuckin Christ. How the hell do I find these assholes anyway?

From what I have seen red they find you. I mean shit you still talk to me after all these years!

[red26]

From what I have seen red they find you. I mean shit you still talk to me after all these years! You may be an asshole but yer no cunty McCunter like this douchbag.

[Opiyum]

It doesn't matter how your friend presents himself or what he does. Candy is right. Because of the Hippa laws they will not even acknowledge that he is a patient.

[candy]

Red.....
Forget it!
Nothing is going to happen. HIPPA Laws protect you and your doctor's office and the doc is not going to want
to mess with some dipshit calling and playing "tattletale!"

You are fine...This guy is trying to get a rise out of you!
Fucking people are always trying to fuck up your head and don't let them!

Repeat after me.....HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA!

[Raz]

hippa hippa Hooray...

[poonwhalla]

hippa hippa hooray ho ay ho

[Indy]

....sorry to rain on everybody's parade, but it's HIPAA, not HIPPA. Everybody pronounces it hippa IRL though, not sure why. :p

Anyways, the DEA wouldn't do shit about some pissed off guy accusing somebody of abusing his meds. If he called your DOCTOR, however, your doc might start "testing" you, or just start weaning you off cause he's a dick.

Now BEFORE EVERYONE SAYS THEY CAN'T DO THAT. Yes, the doctor could. Doctors break the law all the time by talking to other doctors about patients they shouldn't be talking about. He could very easily start thinking "i think he's abusing his meds" and then say "i want you off narcotics" or make him do pill counts just to see if he's taking them.

SHOULD he? no, and MOST doctors probably wouldn't, but even if it is illegal for the doctor to listen to some random guy calling to snitch on one of his patients, you can bet some would. how would anyone find out? it's not like the phonecalls in a doctors office are all recorded, so the doctor could just say "i felt that my patient shouldn't be taking narcotics" and that's that. there'd be NO case against him to press charges, due to a complete lack of evidence.

Long story short, make sure this guy doesn't know your doctor's number.

[candy]

Whether he knows this guys number or not, I wouldn't admit to anything anyway.
I wouldn't worry as I said, HIPAA(not HIPPA) will protect you!

Just let it slide and forget your friend!

[Opiyum]

He won't even get passed the secretaries. Doctors can be assholes but they aren't going to pay any attention to random people calling their office making accusations about their patients. In fact like I said he won't get passed the secretaries who are used to dealing with solicitors and assholery of all kinds.
Call a neighborhood doctor and try the very same thing and see where it gets you. People who are holding a grudge of this sort don't go to the lengths that would be required to actually sabotage someone.
I can't even get my Union hall to call my ins company or my doctor to defend me and my claims because of HIPAq.

[red26]

I actually remember my doctor say during the concent signing "yeah you gotta sign for the possabillity of drug testing but it's never happened so fuhgetabboutit." Next week I got an appointment with my doc so I'll just have to see. The dudes got a great sense of humor so if he DOES hear about it we'll most likely be laughing.