Choose life?

[simfromstoke]

if you had a choice of either taking opiates and being totally happy all of your life but only living till 60
or leading the straight life, but inside being totally miserable, but living to the age of 90
which would you choose???

i'm all for the happy life me. so i guess id choose to live till 60, even though i keep striving to get straight.. my whole life is FULL of contradictions!

[bronyraur]

I'd prefer to be dead at 60 if it meant being happy.

[southernbelle]

Same here^^. I so don't want to be one of those pitiful old people sitting in a wheelchair in the nursing home praying that someone will come visit me. I don't think I could stand that.

[monkeyphunk]

another happy dead 60 year old here also

[upstate_007]

I'd prefer to be dead at 60 if it meant being happy.

Same here. With or without opiates or anything else for that matter. Life is too short to be miserable.

[Duckfeet]

At 20, Id'a chose the opys...but doubt seriously that they would have made me happy, either: I'd had all the pure heroin I wanted in Vietnam for a bit...and it didn't really make me "happy"...just made me want more heroin...at 57 I would have to say: "Is there a third choice?" :D

Hell, when I was seriously sick at 20, and somebody would have said....you can have all the opys you want for a *week* and then you die a horrible death...I would have jumped on it, and then spent the next week, loaded, figuring a way out of the deal...

that's the trouble w/hypotheticals...just mindfucks...

[Papa Verine]

I would've agreed to much less. I'd take the opiates and death at 40. Hell, I'd even take opiates 4 days out of the week and death at 35. Ah fuck it! You let me get high 10 times in my short-ass life I'll take death at 35 over 90 years of miserable sobriety.

As cool as it would be to see Halley's comet again...

[nick]

Personally,I'm planning on living to 90 and using and being happy.

[Narkotikon]

I'd choose the taking opiates (everyday right?), being happy, and dying at 60. I don't want to grow really old. I'm never getting married, and I won't have any family other than my sisters and mom, and they're all a lot older than me. I don't want to be around, alone and miserable, when they finally die. I'd like to die first. I have a fear of being alone.

[Papa Verine]

I'd choose the taking opiates (everyday right?), being happy, and dying at 60. I don't want to grow really old. I'm never getting married, and I won't have any family other than my sisters and mom, and they're all a lot older than me. I don't want to be around, alone and miserable, when they finally die. I'd like to die first. I have a fear of being alone.

Never say never Narkotikon. You might meet somebody, there's somebody for everybody. And marriage should be open to any two people who love each other, that's my opinion on the matter. One of the only things I WILL argue about... Why the fuck not???

[simfromstoke]

At 20, Id'a chose the opys...but doubt seriously that they would have made me happy, either: I'd had all the pure heroin I wanted in Vietnam for a bit...and it didn't really make me "happy"...just made me want more heroin...at 57 I would have to say: "Is there a third choice?" :D

Hell, when I was seriously sick at 20, and somebody would have said....you can have all the opys you want for a *week* and then you die a horrible death...I would have jumped on it, and then spent the next week, loaded, figuring a way out of the deal...

that's the trouble w/hypotheticals...just mindfucks...


okay then DF, with hindsight, would you have took opies knowing what you do now

me personally, i dont regret any thing ive done over the last 11 years(on smack) or 22 years if you are counting ALL addictions

and let me tailor the original question to you. would you: a, choose to live the next 20 years happy and high consuming an endless supply of china white or b, live for another 40 years, stone cold sober with a monkey on your back and plain miserable?

[alowishus]

Hell 60, now that is OLD fuck I'd take that, happy or not, drugs or not.

Being 90 and seeing all your friends and some of your family die before you sucks. BUT living for almost 100 yr......think back too 1908 and ALL the shit that's happened since then.....that'd be cool to live through, well I think anyway.

[Duckfeet]

That's the real question, and actually a tough one...I guess I would honestly have to say *no*...I don't like "regretting my past" as that's useless. but it's a fair question...the trouble w/opiates--for me--is that they take more than they give...and they give plenty...but u know, when I was young, I loved the ocean, and learned to sail, and loved to write, and had all kinds of dreams...lived for a while in Newport Beach, shoulda been bodysurfing the wedge, instead of chasing heroin in Santa Ana...then prison, commercial diver, beautiful women...all became forfeit to this lifetime habit...and then one day I was pushing forty, and it sucked worse and worse, and took more and more out of me...

And to answer your final question, u'd have to tailor it even more to me, since I have been--and actually am, today, pretty happy sober...but *if* I got crazy again, and "had to have it" I'd probably once again, try to make my way to somewhere there was heroin maintenance, hopefully England, but it's not that easy, even if I had the money...so I try to make the best of being off dope, now, and not worry too much about past or future, to be honest...

btw: fair question, really, and one maybe we all ask ourselves at times, and rarely answer honestly...I was glad I discovered alcohol...but heroin, whewww, boy, reminds me of this girl I loved more than dirt...and she just about put me and her both in the cold cold ground...

okay then DF, with hindsight, would you have took opies knowing what you do now

me personally, i dont regret any thing ive done over the last 11 years(on smack) or 22 years if you are counting ALL addictions

and let me tailor the original question to you. would you: a, choose to live the next 20 years happy and high consuming an endless supply of china white or b, live for another 40 years, stone cold sober with a monkey on your back and plain miserable?

[Suboxstitute]

I'd choose the taking opiates (everyday right?), being happy, and dying at 60. I don't want to grow really old. I'm never getting married, and I won't have any family other than my sisters and mom, and they're all a lot older than me. I don't want to be around, alone and miserable, when they finally die. I'd like to die first. I have a fear of being alone.

Ok buddy - here's the deal. I have a brother who NEVER thought he would marry - was depressed for most of his life, dead-end jobs, you name it. He was never into drugs, but heavy into alcohol.

Then, at around age 42, he reconnected with a woman he knew in New York City (he lived there right out of high school, and lives there again now- MARRIED, HAPPY and with THE WOMAN HE THOUGHT he would never, ever see again! She found him on the Internet and the rest was history.

He ended up going back to school, is now a teacher and she's a social worker at the same school (and might I say prestigious school) in NYC.

He attempted suicide, put my now elderly parents (well, mom has passed on) through living hell worrying about him, and now his life is completely turned around.

So at 40, he would have said "keep me drunk and dead by 45". Now he'd probably say he wants to live forever.

So there's a story for you.. don't give up hope. And I bet you are even younger than he was when he married (at 44). Neither of them had ever married and had given up on the idea of ever finding the right person.

WE CARE! So opiates or not, don't wish to check out early since you never know what's around the corner.

Love
Sue

[The_Highwayman]

I chose not to choose life..and the reasons?? There are no reasons...who needs reasons when you got heroin?

[simfromstoke]

I chose not to choose life..and the reasons?? There are no reasons...who needs reasons when you got heroin?

A class film.
it made me laugh - the uproar it created in america. they tried to ban it saying it GLORIFIED heroin abuse. but if you watch it properly, it just shows the depravation and desparation that us smackheads have to live with everyday. hardly glorifying....
if anything its an advert NOT to take heroin

[bigNasty]

A class film.
it made me laugh - the uproar it created in america. they tried to ban it saying it GLORIFIED heroin abuse. but if you watch it properly, it just shows the depravation and desparation that us smackheads have to live with everyday. hardly glorifying....
if anything its an advert NOT to take heroin
Wat....movie...is...tat?

[Narkotikon]

Never say never Narkotikon. You might meet somebody, there's somebody for everybody. And marriage should be open to any two people who love each other, that's my opinion on the matter. One of the only things I WILL argue about... Why the fuck not???

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't see the big fucking deal that some people make about it. How in the hell is it affecting them personally? I don't get it.

Ok buddy - here's the deal. I have a brother who NEVER thought he would marry - was depressed for most of his life, dead-end jobs, you name it. He was never into drugs, but heavy into alcohol.

Then, at around age 42, he reconnected with a woman he knew in New York City (he lived there right out of high school, and lives there again now- MARRIED, HAPPY and with THE WOMAN HE THOUGHT he would never, ever see again! She found him on the Internet and the rest was history.

He ended up going back to school, is now a teacher and she's a social worker at the same school (and might I say prestigious school) in NYC.

He attempted suicide, put my now elderly parents (well, mom has passed on) through living hell worrying about him, and now his life is completely turned around.

So at 40, he would have said "keep me drunk and dead by 45". Now he'd probably say he wants to live forever.

So there's a story for you.. don't give up hope. And I bet you are even younger than he was when he married (at 44). Neither of them had ever married and had given up on the idea of ever finding the right person.

WE CARE! So opiates or not, don't wish to check out early since you never know what's around the corner.

Love
Sue

That's very sweet of you to post. I'm 28 now, but I've just known for a long time (probably since I was in my teens) that I was "different" and wouldn't probably be getting married, and definitely no to the kids thing because 1.) I'm not a patient person and I wouldn't want to subject a child to that kind of personality, and 2.) I lack the drive to have a kid the traditional way...no no to the vaginas.

Ideally, yes, I would like to find someone that I loved and settle down with them, but if I hope for it, then it's even more depressing when it doesn't / won't happen. So, if it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't. I wouldn't say I've given up hope, I just don't put all of my eggs in one basket. But, yeah, if I were to be alone and only with my mom and sisters as my "family," I'd probably commit suicide when the last one of them dies. I know you have a family history of suicide, and I don't mean to say that lightly, it's just I really do have a fear of being alone (and especially dying alone) and I don't want to do it. I'd rather kill myself on my last living sister's deathbed than live another ten or fifteen years until it's my time. My mom is 68, and my sisters are 43, 41, and 39. Chances are I will be left alone, but with my drug "issues" it might not work out that way. Who knows. I just know I'm not going to live alone when I'm older.

But, I get what you're saying, and I appreciate it. I don't feel like it couldn't happen, but it's not something I count on either. Like I said, if it happens it happens. I'm not going to force it, because then I feel like people end up in loveless relationships and it just makes everyone involved suffer. Anyway, thanks.

[goagirl23]

Why would anyone want to prolong being miserable? I'd be fine with dying at 60 with a smile on my face...

[rcb]

Heroin, every single day, for 40 more years? Yes please.

[alowishus]

Heroin, every single day, for 40 more years? Yes please.

Was that Eddie Izzard I just heard?

[InfectedMushroom]

BigNasty, its Trainspotting. If you haven't seen it, I suggest you do.

[metric man]

I choose the happy life and dying at 60.

[candy]

If I look like I did at 30 when I am 60, maybe I will live a while longer, but if not....I guess it's opiates and botox!

[Duckfeet]

Fuck all that: I want to be swimming w/out a wetsuit around the pier--like I did today--when I'm *ninety* and then have some big white shark finally bite me on the ass, and take me *down* ... or be drooling in some V.A. nursing home, my every thought being how to get more dope...being young was *hard*: you'all have my sympathies...being old is much easier...less drama, less anxiety, all that...and I'm a *fine* mothefucker too: two young cute dikes I'm friends with, were grabbing at me, rubbing my chest, and pinching my butt, when they caught me walking in cutoffs to the beach...:) I've had it bad: this ain't bad at all:

Bad is just getting cracked, and being taken to OCjail, knowing u can't make bail, and having to sit in the holding pen about 12 hrs, then getting stuck in some overcrowded cell w/a bunch of wannabe gangsters, and feeling the tick tick tick of the clock as you start to kick in ways you don't even want to contemplate: that's *hard.*

This is easy...

[Poppylvr]

All the opiates/opioids I want but I only get to live 5 more years?
Damn.
I have more grandchildren to meet, and children to torment and best of all my soul mate hubby to just hang out with and I sure as hell don't want it all to end in 5 years on my 60th birthday.
Just call me Connie Clean, I guess!

[Naomi]

ID choose the happy route because that way i could work, travel the world with the money i had etc. etc.

the only way you can be even close to being a happy junkie is if you have millions of pounds and a certain degree of self-control to keep your habit at a set dose. living till 90! pfffft.... think of it, old and frail and being mugged on the way back from picking up your pension by 13 year old hoodies. omg. im getting old. im using the word hoodie. i much prefer yob.

[SHELLEY]

why do you say opiates means happiness
and 'the straight life' means you'll be miserable?
i'd rather live to THIRTY if it means i'd be mostly happy
whether that meant on drugs or not
i just don't see the association
i'll admit, some of the happiest times of my adult life were because of heroin
but ALL of the most miserable times in my life have been because of heroin
so... :confused:

[SHELLEY]

Yeah, I agree with that. I don't see the big fucking deal that some people make about it. How in the hell is it affecting them personally? I don't get it.


my mom is like that:
"it DOES affect me personally!
it demoralizes THE WHOLE COUNTRY!!! BLAH!!!"
while i sit there like, ummmmm, okay
i asked her how many gay marriages she knew about this year
she said she didn't know about ANY personally because "why would i want to know?"
and i said "well they *are* getting married in some states-
they don't have your approval but it doesn't mean much to them
and more of them will get married, all of them without your approval...
now, answer me this mom- how is your life different because of this?"

my mom says...
"welll...... ummm.... IT DEMORALIZES THE WHOLE COUNTRY!!! BLAH!!!"
lame!

personally i don't give a damn who gets married
i say if it makes 2 guys or 2 chicks happy to get hitched
then why the fuck shouldn't they?
i always stand up for freedom

[upstate_007]

why do you say opiates means happiness
and 'the straight life' means you'll be miserable?
i'd rather live to THIRTY if it means i'd be mostly happy
whether that meant on drugs or not
i just don't see the association
i'll admit, some of the happiest times of my adult life were because of heroin
but ALL of the most miserable times in my life have been because of heroin
so... :confused:

Exactly Shelly!

These days I try not to make my happiness depend on anything, anyone or any particular place.

Happiest time of my life? Two years off H, living in a shitty studio apartment with just a matress on the floor and a TV on a cardboard box. Nothing to worry about, always had fun and never wanted it to end. Then I found a girl.....

[Duckfeet]

You sure have got that right, Shelley...happiness depends on what's going on between my ears...*not* what I put--or don't put--in my body...and that's a hard lesson to learn...hell, if I were *miserable* straight, I would have been back on dope 3 weeks ago...


why do you say opiates means happiness
and 'the straight life' means you'll be miserable?
i'd rather live to THIRTY if it means i'd be mostly happy
whether that meant on drugs or not
i just don't see the association
i'll admit, some of the happiest times of my adult life were because of heroin
but ALL of the most miserable times in my life have been because of heroin
so... :confused:

[The_Highwayman]

This is only MY OPINION And EXPERIENCE, but when I using heroing heavily I wasn't miserable but I wasn;t happy, my heroin use lead me to place where I was numb....I was "happy" due to the absence of misery..I always equated it to THE WALL by Floyd...I had a slot of bad stuff happen to me in my life (not nearly as bad as others have had it) but I finally built my wall of seculsion and scoffed at the outside saying 2 things 1) you can't hurt me anymore look at this fortitude I have built and 2) you think you can hurt me..LOOK WHAT I DO TO MYSELF!!! you better bring your A game to add another scar......with that being said I am happy now, but am suspeciatle to misery, but I do try to avoid it and if it does come I hope I can hadle it without the needle..building a fortress against pain DOES work..it keeps the rain and cold away, but also shields the sunshine....

[alowishus]

Hooked.
Why?
I'm sure you ALL know this already and I'm just saying the same thing your rehab counselor told you, but it stands true.
For some it's in their DNA, for some they like the high, but most of us get hooked because we can't or didn't learn to deal w/ certain emotions or feelings as we grew up. Then something bad happens, and quickly we learn that w/ drugs, drink, or other things (cutting yourself, eating issues, etc) we can feel better and USE these things to deal w/ the problem.
They make you numb so you don't have to deal w/ the feelings.
It's the ones that can learn those coping skills (& use them) at an older age that can get clean and stay that way.

We've all had bad shit happen to us, but to face the problem and work it out instead of just getting high will lead to growth and in-turn feeling better.

And no I'm not a 12 stepper - hate that shit - they are just like scientologists; but if it works for you use it. ;)

Sorry didn't mean to preach.

*gets down off soapbox*

[Duckfeet]

I pretty much agree w/Alo on this one: when other people were learning how to deal w/life--usually in their teens--I discovered alcohol, and handled it well, and felt better when I drank...then at nineteen, I found heroin...and same thing happened, only more so...but heroin at least I *knew* was a bad deal, so I quit it when I got out of the army...only to discover that quitting wasn't so easy either...and by the time I finally found how to stay quit a bit, I had no coping skills at all, had been a junky and an alkie about 30 years, at that point, and usually you died by then...but I'm still kicking...

...and interesting enough, I actually agree on 12step programs, in general: they seem cult-like, semi-religious, and have been shoved down people's throats--especially the young--way too often...

But in AA's defense, I guess I have to say it worked for me, that I did need quite of bit of "redirecting" and shit, coping skills, honesty, reparations for harm done, all that...and AA's where I learned it...but it's not for everybody, and I"m absolutely opposed to judges and methadone clinics and treatment centers and parents who force people to go there...

But I like it o.k.: I take what works, and leave the rest...as they say...I've no where else to go...


Hooked.
Why?
I'm sure you ALL know this already and I'm just saying the same thing your rehab counselor told you, but it stands true.
For some it's in their DNA, for some they like the high, but most of us get hooked because we can't or didn't learn to deal w/ certain emotions or feelings as we grew up. Then something bad happens, and quickly we learn that w/ drugs, drink, or other things (cutting yourself, eating issues, etc) we can feel better and USE these things to deal w/ the problem.
They make you numb so you don't have to deal w/ the feelings.
It's the ones that can learn those coping skills (& use them) at an older age that can get clean and stay that way.

We've all had bad shit happen to us, but to face the problem and work it out instead of just getting high will lead to growth and in-turn feeling better.

And no I'm not a 12 stepper - hate that shit - they are just like scientologists; but if it works for you use it. ;)

Sorry didn't mean to preach.

*gets down off soapbox*

[alowishus]

I pretty much agree w/Alo on this one: when other people were learning how to deal w/life--usually in their teens--I discovered alcohol, and handled it well, and felt better when I drank...then at nineteen, I found heroin...and same thing happened, only more so...but heroin at least I *knew* was a bad deal, so I quit it when I got out of the army...only to discover that quitting wasn't so easy either...and by the time I finally found how to stay quit a bit, I had no coping skills at all, had been a junky and an alkie about 30 years, at that point, and usually you died by then...but I'm still kicking...

...and interesting enough, I actually agree on 12step programs, in general: they seem cult-like, semi-religious, and have been shoved down people's throats--especially the young--way too often...

But in AA's defense, I guess I have to say it worked for me, that I did need quite of bit of "redirecting" and shit, coping skills, honesty, reparations for harm done, all that...and AA's where I learned it...but it's not for everybody, and I"m absolutely opposed to judges and methadone clinics and treatment centers and parents who force people to go there...

But I like it o.k.: I take what works, and leave the rest...as they say...I've no where else to go...

I was one that had it forced on me so maybe that's why I don't like it. You are very correct in it helping - I did learn somethings about myself, life, my issues, etc. But we spat at each other about the higher power thing, that is when I saw the bad side of the 12 step peeps and we parted ways. It does work for some, they did open my eyes to things I had not wanted to or couldn't see....

It may be different now, fuck it was so long ago I went, they may have changed a few things around to make it more user friendly. (user - get it, user...... ah forget it :rolleyes:)

[clinton]

Is a miserable 90 year life living?

[Duckfeet]

Yeah: it's so funny, because I try *not* to talk a bunch of AA on here, out of respect and gratitude for you'all being so supportive of me, no matter *where* my struggles took me...

But anyway, tonite, they had a 24 year old kid telling his story: and it's maybe the 1st time I ever heard anybody tell one so close to mine; he was from Seattle, and an atheist--like me, rasied that way--and hated even the thought of AA, so he was on psyche meds, and then drunk, and all the crazy shit...just a lot younger than me...and of course, I'm human, and I thought about you guys on here...but anyway, he just did the best he could with it all, but anyway, Mostly I thought what a lost world we all live in, and sometimes how little hope there is, no matter where we look...

But you're right: a lot of meetings are either holier than thou, or just preaching crap that I just shut down about, and honestly Alo: you guys--Opy-- kept me going w/my opiate struggle, not AA: I never talk about opiates at meetings, unless it's somebody struggling with it, and they might understand...I almost died once listening to AA's tell me what to do, in areas they didn't no shit about...so I keep my own council now, when it's anything other than alcoholism...


I was one that had it forced on me so maybe that's why I don't like it. You are very correct in it helping - I did learn somethings about myself, life, my issues, etc. But we spat at each other about the higher power thing, that is when I saw the bad side of the 12 step peeps and we parted ways. It does work for some, they did open my eyes to things I had not wanted to or couldn't see....

It may be different now, fuck it was so long ago I went, they may have changed a few things around to make it more user friendly. (user - get it, user...... ah forget it :rolleyes:)

[nullnull]

i dont believe that i could live a completely happy life if i had to take a substance every day for the
rest of my life. doesnt matter if you get methadone or dope, either way your depandent on some asshole.
so i would rather choose life with all the natural ups and downs.

if you had a choice of either taking opiates and being totally happy all of your life but only living till 60
or leading the straight life, but inside being totally miserable, but living to the age of 90although in this case id choose dope :cool:

[SeVeN]

I'd prefer to be dead at 60 if it meant being happy.

Precisely. If I could be happy thatd be most important.

[ToriiBabii]

This question is an easy one for me. The obvious answer (in my case) is the "being happy and on opiates, but only living to be 60 years old" option.

Hell, I would still make that choice, even if it would mean dying at 40.

[simfromstoke]

This is only MY OPINION And EXPERIENCE, but when I using heroing heavily I wasn't miserable but I wasn;t happy, my heroin use lead me to place where I was numb....I was "happy" due to the absence of misery..I always equated it to THE WALL by Floyd...I had a slot of bad stuff happen to me in my life (not nearly as bad as others have had it) but I finally built my wall of seculsion and scoffed at the outside saying 2 things 1) you can't hurt me anymore look at this fortitude I have built and 2) you think you can hurt me..LOOK WHAT I DO TO MYSELF!!! you better bring your A game to add another scar......with that being said I am happy now, but am suspeciatle to misery, but I do try to avoid it and if it does come I hope I can hadle it without the needle..building a fortress against pain DOES work..it keeps the rain and cold away, but also shields the sunshine....

i TOTALLY agree with you mate
i wish my arms were long enought to have those sentiments tatoo'd on em cuz when i normally get properly clean, i choose to forget why i got clean in the first place
then its back on the merry-go-round again....
i REALLY should be bored of doing this by now
but while i keep trying i'll allways have hope....

[Duckfeet]

That's right, my friend...words to live by...


i TOTALLY agree with you mate
i wish my arms were long enought to have those sentiments tatoo'd on em cuz when i normally get properly clean, i choose to forget why i got clean in the first place
then its back on the merry-go-round again....
i REALLY should be bored of doing this by now
but while i keep trying i'll allways have hope....

[twigburst]

I wouldn't be happy at all if I was using opiates everyday for 90 years. Being strung out for extended periods of time gets really boring, and depressing. Being sober has its downsides, but being able to feel is what makes life worth living, if I don't wan to feel anymore I'll just but a bullet in my head. Opiate use in the short term is a lot of fun, to bad addiction fucking ruins it.

[The_Highwayman]

Not to double quote a movie twice in a thread but when rents says when you have a good junk habit, your only concern is scoring, everything else doesn';t matter and for me that was true, but to live on someone's else's clock, and schedule especially a dealers' wasn't great for me...

[HistoryofMadness]

hope is my driving motive...

this is obviously a rigged question and subjective... but i'm clean, other than my pissy handful of hydro i get each month for pain that isn't near enough...

i'm clean from the constant thoughts. from doing as much as i can and still going to bed pissed off rather than high...

from ripping, running, chasing the rabbit, down the mindhol, where my sanity loosens its grip and i start to go towards that final frontier, senility, delusion, denial, constant burn burn burn frustration ripping a hole in my day where i'm not happy happy happy Happy?

no, i'll take clean. and 90. thanks.

[nhop]

Interesting discussion. I'd probably choose dope & death at 60, but why settle for that? If there is one thing that I have noticed about dope addiction (I mean all opiates, including methadone here) is that addicts seem to age slower, at least physically.

I can remember years ago when I was planning to try & kick my first habit, back in Nyc, I went to a spot in Newark, NJ, an old folks home in the projects to purchase methadone. Many of these oldtimers were longtime addicts, but what struck me is that almost all of them looked a lot younger than they actually were. Also, in terms of personal experience, when I was on opiates I cant remember ever getting sick. (colds, flu, etc) though I do have hepc directly as a result of dope use. The sickness only came when i was off dope, and it often came with a vengeance then.

THere seems to be some kind of correlation between opiates & strong immune systems & slower aging overall. While most of society probably thinks of dope as an unhealthy evil that will kill quickly, most of the truth of this has to do IMO with the consequences of prohibition rather than the substance itself. What do you all think?

[tonyk]

All the opiates/opioids I want but I only get to live 5 more years?
Damn.
I have more grandchildren to meet, and children to torment and best of all my soul mate hubby to just hang out with and I sure as hell don't want it all to end in 5 years on my 60th birthday.
Just call me Connie Clean, I guess!

Poppylvr, You ar so fuckin fortunate!!! I am soooo jealous of your life and contentment. I am NOT worthy, I am not worthy....

[Duckfeet]

Again: I want a *third* choice, u coldblooded bastards...:cheeky2: :cool:

[More Feen]

quality trumps quantity imo.

i know serveral rich physicians who are absolutley miserable!

i urge the better of them to give up that crappy lifestyle (after saving lots of $$) for their own health & quality of life.

Lots of rich miserable people though.... . . . . .

[Raz]

In all honesty ,if i wanted to go back to "work"in that field,i could probably work something out so i would have a never ending supply.....

When i did have mucho mucho at my disposal, i wasnt happy..Always ended up smoking way to much and at a threshold where the drug didnt do shit...My appearance suffered, so did sex drive....And i just felt /knew this wasnt for me for the rest of my life...

Yeah i still use gear occasionally, but in a structered sorta way and not everyday...With a goal of getting clean eventually.And then becoming a chipper....

I wouldnt be happy on dope fulltime...

[Crow]

At 20, Id'a chose the opys...but doubt seriously that they would have made me happy, either: I'd had all the pure heroin I wanted in Vietnam for a bit...and it didn't really make me "happy"...just made me want more heroin...at 57 I would have to say: "Is there a third choice?" :D

Hell, when I was seriously sick at 20, and somebody would have said....you can have all the opys you want for a *week* and then you die a horrible death...I would have jumped on it, and then spent the next week, loaded, figuring a way out of the deal...

that's the trouble w/hypotheticals...just mindfucks...

Couldn't have said it better myself! Five to ten years ago I would have chosen the happy/opiated death at sixty, but I think anyone who has used for a considerable amount of time will tell you that life is not all fun and games and floating around in clouds of happiness when you are a heroin addict. In fact, it's completely the opposite. Even with a steady supply of opiates, life just doesn't have the zing it has for clean people. Without a steady supply.....forget about it, we all know how miserable that is. Sorry to ramble, I guess I didn't really answer the question, so I would have to ask the same thing as DF. "Wheres the third answer?" Don't get me wrong, I love opiates, but I certainly do not love being a slave to a fucking drug, not being able to get out of bed because I am so sick, only getting up when I am shitting/puking my brains out......I'm sure you get the picture. All dope fiends have a love/hate relationship with smack. Users aren't happy, which is exactly the reason they use more in the first place. They think the heroin makes them happy, and it might temporarily, but after awhile life comes crashing down on them. Anyways, thats just my two cents. Cheers.

[lolleedee]

I would soooooo choose the opiates until 60 (SHIT...i WOULD SETTLE FOR 45!!!! lol) nO DOUBT, NO QUESTION!!!

[DCBA]

i prefer to be a happy 90 year old junkie.. lol

[Duckfeet]

I had that choice, and *did* choose the opiates, and well...shit...I'll be sixty in a few years...fuck! I need an "extension..."
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I would soooooo choose the opiates until 60 (SHIT...i WOULD SETTLE FOR 45!!!! lol) nO DOUBT, NO QUESTION!!!

[pharmboy]

Living the "straight" life without opiates WOULD make me miserable so I'll pick

checking out at 60. No regrets.

[Narkotikon]

Hell, right now, at this point in time, if I were guaranteed a limitless supply of morphine, I'd choose 30. The older I get the more I just really hate life and do not want to live without being medicated. I swear I hate life, and most people for that matter. World is full of bitches.

[Duckfeet]

Hang in there, Narkotikon...it's harder when you are young...you'll get used to the shitstorm after a while...or periodically just do what we all do, which is take time out to dial out on opies...you'll find love, friends who appreciate you, a community of like-minded people...and get away from family members who distress you...besides: you're the first person I've heard quote Catullus since I was *your* age...so u obviously have a brain *and* a heart...:)


Hell, right now, at this point in time, if I were guaranteed a limitless supply of morphine, I'd choose 30. The older I get the more I just really hate life and do not want to live without being medicated. I swear I hate life, and most people for that matter. World is full of bitches.

[jonny-5]

this is the easiest "either or" question ive ever had to answer. i wouldnt wanna live much past 60 either way...

im sure once i get to be 58 or so ill be singing a different tune, but i dont wanna live past the point where i can take care of myself. i would gladly live a happy dope filled 60 years. but it isnt really possible considering much of my almost 26 years have been less than happy.