Pharmacotherapy and the future of the drug war

[jacky]

CCLE otherwise known as the center for congnitive libertys and ethics has released their new downloadable PDF file titled "Pharmacotherapy and the future of the drug war". If you arnt familiar with this website its a great read as it addresses many current and future conditions that apply to freedom and drug use. Basically the Federal government is starting to use language attributing drug use as a disease, drug users as carriers of this disease, and possibly information sources as pathways of the contagioun. I first heard of this approach at the mindstates 4 "paranoia panel". basically if something is labeled a disease the FDA has control of how it is treated. Drug companys have a whole host of compounds ready for the market(some have been with us for years) as anti drug vaccines. I wont go into too much depth on this subject as you can all read the downloadable 52 page PDF, at the CCLE's website. While these new drugs will probably benefit some people the CCLE is more alarmed at the use of these drugs on people as a condition of incarceration etc. I personally do not want to take a drug that limits my bodies ability to percieve/experience euporia or pain relief.

[Peripat]

It says a lot about the USA that there is actually a CCLE.

Whoooooaaaaaaaaah dude!

[red26]

The reference to drug useres such as myself being "carriers" of the disease known as addiction got me pretty fired up. And fuck you if you agree with this statement, aquisistion, or whatever the hell you want to call it. Like it's T.B. or something. Please.In all reality, how can something that we might have a predisposition for and "acquire" along the way chemically in our bodies due to building a tolorance and taking more of a substance make our predispositions towards addiction contagous. Dont mind me. It's my second day detoxing from H and I.m in a pissy mood.:mad:

[ontario_opiophile]

Fucking gay drug war. fuck Bush and his syphillitic pals.

[Paregoric Kid]

well you aren't required to take cures for any disease you may have here in the US. they don't force medical treatment on people that don't ask for it. I don't think it would legally hold up having the government drugging people against their will if they are sane adults. doesn't seem like it's going to happen in our lifetimes.

[jacky]

you can already be forced to take certian drugs to obtain early release from prison as a part of parole requirements. what I am worried about with these drug vaccines is that people who dont want to rot in prison or jail will have to agree to be "inoculated". how many ignorant fuckups will say yes to that one?

[Paregoric Kid]

these vaccines don't work too well, after a certain dose the person will get high. since they aren't perfect and the fact they probably interfere with pain killers that may need to be prescribed to the person in the future I doubt they will force it on people. is this even approved by the fda? also dose it block natural endorphins? what about synthetic opioids, can they get around it as well?
if someone is that desperate to stay out of jail that is their own choice. people make bad choices everyday, but that's life, you make your bed and then you have to sleep in it.

[Zoop]

PK is right on the money here. It'll never happen. I don't want to toot my horn too much here, but I must say that I know more than a little bit about medicine, and pharmaceuticals and medicinal chemistry, biochemistry, et cetera, from years of academic instruction on the subjects, and also from working in the field presently. I have read about these "drug vaccines" and it's a bunch of BS.

As far as drug addiction being classified as a disease, it's been like that for decades and decades. And that's definitely a GOOD thing. It means eventually, we will move toward treatment for drug offenses like simple possession, rather than incarceration for those types of crimes. It also means that a lot of places cant' just fire you for being on drugs, they have to offer you (at least) a chance to "get help" and come back. That's because of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

People in prison may get the chance to volunteer or be paid to participate in a study of some of these experimental agents, but I am absolutely certain that it would NEVER come to what your worst fears are, Jacky. (much respect, yo) The public outcry would be too great.

So much for "gay Bush and his syphylitic pals, huh?" Everything bad in the world does not come from the president of the United States. He is just a man, trying be the chief executive. He is VERY FAR from perfect, don't get me wrong. I'd take him any day over that Frankenstein lookalike running against him last year, though!

Sometimes, the best way to find out why we are having problems with the world we live in is just to look in the mirror.

[Wildman]

I'd like to second what Zoop said about the president and the drug war -
he's just one guy in all of this nonsense.

To be totally fair, you'd have to point the finger at both of the major
political parties in this country - they are both responsible for the
stupid drug laws in this country (and the bullshit mandatory minimum
sentences for these "offenses").

While I support the Libertarian party's stance on drugs, they don't stand
a chance to win any major, influencial offices in this country.
This means that we need a strict constructionist Supreme Court to
recognize that the US govt does not have the right to create/enforce
drug laws - THAT RIGHT BELONGS TO THE INDIVIDUAL STATES.

The Constitution means something! The Feds need to re-read it!!!

Also, I'd like to take a swipe at the fucking idiots in Mothers Against
Drunk Drivers (MADD). These asswipes are neo-prohibitionists who
are more interested in having alcohol made illegal than they are for
public safety. Don't believe me, then look at their incrementalist
stance on decreasing the legal limit for alcohol consumption as it pertains
to operating a motor vehicle. When I was 18, the legal limit in
my state was 0.15. MADD got involved and got it dropped to 0.10.
They weren't satisifed with that, so they then lobbied to have it
dropped to 0.08. What's next? 0.06/0.04 - ZERO? What the fuck!

[jacky]

these drug vaccines are already being approved for human useage, they will make it to the market soon enough, and the resulting action of the fed and state government will probably differ somewhat of course.

Chemical castration is already a well accepted parole requirement

these so called vaccines for THC cocaine and opiates and nicotine are sitting on the shelf so far, but are not too far away from being served up to willing paricipants.
If a parol board can suggest that you take methadone, chemical castration, anabuse or naltrexone as a requirement of parole I dont see these vaccines being looked at any different.
Look into the CCLE and their take on the situation, they are already providing support to cases of people being forced to take psychoactives so that they can stand trial.

[jacky]

I agree that most people in this country are not going to buy the unscientific approach that this organization pushing this idea is using.

they want all drug users/ abusers considered as carrying a virus, they claim that knowledge is a virus of sorts, at least when considering the passing of information about drug use. So they not only want to control the drug users, but want to control the passing of information as a way to control infection.

I will look up this subject and try and find the specific name of the dept. of the federal government that announced some of this bullshit 3-4 years ago.

AUG/COG stands for augmentary cognition, and is a division of some military dept. that is working with psychoactive drugs and social control mechanisms, the presenters of this information at the convention were talking about the FDA and the drug companies and dept. such as this and their roles in future civil rights abuses.

One suggestion is that young children are innoculated at birth with these types of compounds to spare them the life of a drug user, what I want to know is if this is so, why havnt they developed a glue sniffers vaccine, since most of the kids getting high in the world are huffers..???

the presentation wasnt called the PARANOIA PANEL for nothing!!

[Paregoric Kid]

hey I wouldn't be so sure the libertarian party will never be able to change things. they already defeat alot of taxes and other things on the local/state level. they are the third largest party in the US and growing every day. all that needs to happen is for people to become so sick of the two major parties that they start voting for third parties.