Questions about Tar...

[AceBeans]

Heroin tar is just now making an appearance in my area. There has been powdered heroin around my area for a bit at $20 dollars a bag which seems like an outrageous price.


On to the questions about tar.. It's $50 dollars for a balloon. How much is the norm in a balloon? And does $50 bucks seem like a really expensive price. Also how much should a balloon weigh? Just some basic questions for ya.

[ToriiBabii]

Oh, god. I really hope that tar doesn't replace powder on the East coast. People are speculating that it might, because of how cheap and easy it is to make.. I'm crossing my fingers..

If I were you, I would stick with the powdered heroin. I've never done tar and don't know too much about it, so I don't have an answer to any of your questions, but just wanted to throw in my two cents.

[Pandora]

Sorry I don't have an answer to your question...never seen tar before.

If you don't use pins, can you still just cook tar up like a shot and then shoot it up the nose with an oral syringe? Would that be an effective ROA?

[stephenISall]

ive had plenty of experience with tar and good chicago powder in my 11 year career. tar IMO is pretty crappy. the tar i was getting in orange county california was around 20 or 25 a gram. best tar i had was kinda muddy and was 50 a gram. in places like san diego it can be around 60 or 80 a gram but the quality is much better. before i moved to orange county i was shooting good clean white powder for about 9 years in the SAME VEIN. the one in the crook of your elbow that most junkies seem to use. anyway, within a month of shooting tar it was GONE. tar makes your veins go away. im sure alot of people can vouche for me on that one. it just ruins you.

i had to start IMing it after a while cause i had no where to IV. eventually i had 2 abcess's in my shoulders that i had to have cut out. VERY painful but an abscess can kill you. its poison in the form of pus. so to answer your question about the price, it depends on the quality but most tar is sold in gram amounts so i would just assume that the ballons are grams. if the quality is NOT very good, then $50 is too much. always stick with good powder. mexicans cut tar to shit with things like coffee and shoe polish.

now that im back in chicago shooting the dope here is TOTALLY different. the high is even different too. at least i think it is.

anyway, hope this helps.
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[AceBeans]

Torii: Yeah, I've have always heard that powder is much much better than Tar. I am very surprised that I have ran into it, even at that it is a good constant connection so I guess it is starting to make it's way to the East. You know where I am just west of you in WV.

Pandora: I like your pic and yes people that I have talked to have said that is the exact way they partake in it because most of my friends don't shoot.

Stephen: Thanks very much that was some great information. I'm not sure how much the balloons are but I am certain it's not a gram, probably more like a half g. I wish I could get a scale and weight it out before I bought it but that won't be possible.

I am way out of the way of an traditional dope towns. The closest one to me right now is Pittsburgh or closer to the burgh like uniontown or something. I've never made my way up there to try to make a connection, the only time I've been to pittsburgh to score was with a friend that already had a connect and that turned out VERY badly.

I usually don't fuck with dope not because I have anything against it but because the prices are so outrageous around here for the stuff it's not worth it for someone that doesn't use a needle. Thats why I'm asking some pretty obvious questions... Most likely the only way I'm going to find answers to these questions, if it's worth it, potency etc is just to bite the bullet and buy a balloon of the stuff.

Thanks guys!

[simfromstoke]

is there any needle exchanges close to you? if you dont wanna take the risk with trying it out, id be asking as many local people that i could about it. i find that nine time out of ten, any old joe down the needle exchange can answer any questions about a new kind of gear that i haven't tried. and a lot of the time the people running needle exchange are pretty clued up on the scene in my local area. you just gotta ask. dont be embarresed. drugs are serious. no-one will cold shoulder you for asking. better to be safe than sorry

[InfectedMushroom]

Tar better not come up on the East coast. That shits horrible on veins and made so much more crudely. And you can't stamp a balloon! That's half the game on the east coast...

[candy]

Tar is all we have out here in CA, All the tar I got came in from Mexico and price and quality ranged.

Harder to cook I imagine than the powder heroin, which I have never done!

The smell is unforgettable!

[jonny-5]

there is shitty tar and there is really good tar. i get really good tar for 80 a gram, theres no way to know how much is in a balloon cause its not a unit of measurment. u need to ask how much is in it. the farther away from the mexican border u get, generally the worse the tar is. but there is some really good tar out there.

[candy]

I always gave them the 1 or 2 or 3 and they knew I meant gram bags. My guy couldn't speak great English, but when it came to money....Boy, did he magically become much more fluent in our native tongue!

It varied depending on quality and I only dealt with the same 2 guys for years. Some was great and some deserved a call back for an extra(free)bag, cause it was shit!

My guy once left me in his car when i went to score one evening in a Supermarket parking lot. Guess he needed something, but he had me wait in the car while he went in. I knew he kept his supply in space where the horn was. Just pop off the front panel and there it was. Man was I tempted to take an extra few bags, but I would either get caught with the horn cover off or he would of known I took a few by the count being off.
I always wondered if either he didn't want to leave his car there in the parking lot or he was just testing me. I had never done anything to make him distrust me, but hey who knows how paranoid one can get when dealing in narcotics.
He ended up throwing me an extra bag that night for waiting(how he put it)
Ahh...The situations we are thrown into!

[Duckfeet]

If it's all you've done--as far as heroin is concerned--tar is probably o.k. To anyone who *has* done even medicore cut-to-shit poweder, it is probably the worst thing to happen to heroin in this country since...since...fuck if I know...

It's no good, provides little euphoria, and is almost a guarantee your veins won't even make it to the ripe old age of 45 or so, like mine did--I'm 57, and tar finished'em off: took an experienced V.A. nurse *five* stabs with a butterfly to take blood...horrible.

It can be *strong* and knock you out, even kill you...but I've *never* gotten the gut warming, inner "happy and at-peace" feeling on tar, I got on heroin: from Burmese dope in Vietnam to California 6-8 per cent powder (balloons) we had here in the seventies, to
Baltimore powder I got a couple of years ago...Tar doesn't compare, and I live right next to the source, and it's about like shooting a reds and codeine combo...some guy down in Oaxaca who uses his toilet bowl as a back-up mixing pot must have made millions on this concoction....

Hell, it drove me to methadone, and I'm *grateful* for methadone...and if u knew me, u'd know just what an impossibility that is...I'm old school: I'm a registered Narcotics Addict in the state of California (part of parole), and it's not allowed by the Junky Union for us to *ever* talk good about methadone...but tar made me stoop even *that* low...

Go ahead, try tar...make sure you learn where your ankle and neck veins are, tho...u'll be glad you did... :(

Tar is to heroin like Tijuana is to Paris...yeah, TJ's foreign and exotic and they speak a different language...but it just seems *different* somehow...

[SurfRat]

I agree with most everything said here. I only got to try powder here in CA twice in the early eighties and I remembered it being what I always wanted, something special, a really good high.

I remembered that for twenty five years but now that I have banged a fair amount of the tar, and different batches and all, I am not exactly starstruck, I don't get a rush or warm feeling. You just kind of sit there and wonder if you did anything and maybe do some more and feel the same and then about two hours later you snort about 10mg of OC and you are nearly unconcious because the tar was in you, lurking about, but you didn't realize it.
I know it sounds prejudiced but Mexico makes the worst shit. I mean if you want good Mexican food, go to LA or SD or Chicago, go anyplace in the USA but don't go to Mexico because it's mostly crap. It's not the people, it's a culture that doesn't value quality or perfection... Something like that. I mean they don't make anything that counts. Nothing. And they are capable.
Anytime you have a choice, boycott tar. Always.

Forgot to mention, Mexico in the past at least has made some excellent films, as a culture also strong in art, and music to a lesser extent. So they got that going for them. But they suck at making H, so let's hope they will start making a better product and that they are not simply trying to kill us all. (Like the Chinese are doing.)

[SurfRat]

Update, SWIM decided earlier this evening that there does exist decent batches of tar.

Although they are few and far between.

And both me and SWIM still feel tar should be boycotted if there is powder available.

[Duckfeet]

Yeah, it pisses me off to admit it, but I have ran across--rarely--tar that actually felt a little more like heroin...up in Chicago area--which in old days, had the best Mexican dope, for all kinds of demographic reasons....

But I've never run across good tar anywhere near the border...and I've lived on the borders of E.Texas, and SoCal, for a long long time...but I've heard from a guy on here, that ElPaso is better...

And it did seem like the more like "real" heroin it got, the less it destroyed veins and tissue, too...

But, the real, miserable truth is just economics: Even *bad* easy to make garbage tar...will sell just as good as "good" tar, and the fuckers south of here could give a shit less whether the crap is toxic or not...

See, a long time ago...in my errant youth, when NYC ruled, the guys over in Burma and mostly France--French Connection guys--actually thought they had to make *real* heroin, to ship over here...and yeah, it was often cut to shit (once it got here)...but junkies were *used* to it being cut...if they got "uncut" they died...but still, even if it was less that 10 per cent--as it was out here in Cali, always--it was still *real* heroin...

In the last 20 years, as the main drug shipped up from Colombia has been slowly shifting from cocaine...to--sometimes--heroin, which is easier, actually, to make...we started getting "fairly good" colombian heroin...*but* the shipment routes started going thru Mexico, too, and finally the idiots down taco land started realizing our deeply guarded secret: a street junky will buy *anything* that gives even a *remote* resemblance to heroin...whether this be crappy killer fentanyl--also from mexican garbage stills--to the new horror, which is tar...so they laughed and figured, just get enough morphine out of the crap to sell...and fuck all the refining, which needs fairly good chemists and shit...we'll just get Pancho to do it, however...fucking gringos will buy anything...

We can bitch all day long on here...but u know, if yer a real junky--and I am--I'll buy the worst shit available if I'm sick...that's why they call it *dope* ... so more and more, we'll see crappier and crappier tar...they don't even bother anymore w/final refining...it's like basuca or pasta or base sold down on the streets of Peru instead of cocaine...why bother getting ether to make real coke?

Shit...don't get me started :D

[smokedogg313]

knowing how much balloons of tar is thing in OH, i'm sure someone from WVA is making the trk to OH, bringing back $20 balloons and marking em up.... i knew someone who drove from erie, pa to cbus every 2 or 3 days to buy 2-300 $20 balloons, take them back to erie, cut them in half and sell for $30.... and despite what everyone is saying, for some reason OH tar is very good... this is coming from someone who has spent a lot of time in nyc and detroit... ive done w coast tar and not liked it....

[Opiyum]

Pittsburgh's powder isn't going anywhere. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Since your in WV your prices are always going to be a little more just because everything your getting is coming from out of town in relatively small quanities. Depending on where you live it may be worth the trip to the burgh to score a few bundles at a time. In the end if you sell some off Im sure you can easily make a bundle or two for free.
My bet is that's what the people your buying from right now are doing. I used to have friends who went to WVU and they would come back to see me to get bundles to bring back with them. For awhile they would see me twice a week but eventually they realized they could cut me out and go downtown themselves. If you go to the right areas in pittsburgh at the right time, 9am-2pm, you'll find that it is quite easy to find some good dope and after a few trips you'll have a reliable phone number in hand.

[Mustelid]

I hope to see powder somewhere on the West Coast. Anytime, somewhere, there must be something more then chocolate vinegar around here. So much for letting the marketplace decide in a Laissez-Faire type economy!

[Duckfeet]

My *guess* is, the further north u get--like portland and seattle--the more likely u r to see powder, as u get closer to Canada, and also, Seattle has also been a gateway to the orient, and all that implies...while southern california is a fucking *pipeline* to the useless crap they make in Mexico...once they started making their own shit down there...and once junkies started buying it...it was over...why would anybody bother bringing in good shit, when we'll buy this crap, and pay good for it...much less overhead, plus it's a good joke on us from the Mexican Crime bosses...eliminates all that expensive shit...like chemists and quality product...

I hope to see powder somewhere on the West Coast. Anytime, somewhere, there must be something more then chocolate vinegar around here. So much for letting the marketplace decide in a Laissez-Faire type economy!

[Mustelid]

Portland is a good idea, I know where the open air market is there too. I was just there a week ago.

Seattle is where I live and I haven't seen any, but I keep hoping.

[nycjrt]

Portland is a good idea, I know where the open air market is there too. I was just there a week ago.
Seattle is where I live and I haven't seen any, but I keep hoping.
tar is nasty and disgusting, my experiences with it have always been very disappointing. i've yet to make it to portland- i love that part of the country, may try to come out in the springtime- i was in seattle last year, and was not impressed with the dope scene - although that was after a week up in vancouver, which i absolutely loved- beautiful city, diverse population, some cool bars, loads of cheap drugs...yes (non-drug wise) it was expensive but that was as a tourist- friends who lived there manage to get by ok - one of the few cities outside of new york i could actually see myself living for a length of time - others are madrid, new orleans, naples and hong kong (for just one year) - i really love dublin and london, but the weather gets to me-
sorry for rambling i am enjoying my powder here in brooklyn lol