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resorcinol
11-05-2008, 07:32 PM
This includes norco, vicodin, lortab, lorcet, etc..

When I first got into the opiate game and was always on the hunt for vicodin, I ran into mallies and qualitest most often, and occasionally watson. They were usually 5 mg ones, occasionally a 7.5 mg or 10 mg pill would pop up though. Mallies seemed the weakest, and watson and qualitest felt about the same -- they were decent. Qualitest klonopin is good too. I know all generics are supposedly equal, but there is that margin of difference the FDA allows, and I swear mallinkrodt has got to be on the low end. Mallies consistently seem weaker, like they're skimping to save money by putting the bare minimum amount of drugs in the pills to pass, in the FDA's eyes, as "equivalent".

With my recent acquisition of a mountain of Norcos, I've had the pleasure of tasting a new brand of hydro that I'd never seen before: Interpharm. They're 10 mg hydro (325 mg apap) norco generics marked with the imprint IP 110. They're strong. 10 of those little fuckers gets me high as a kite and I'm on the fent patch 25 mcg per hour every day. So that's 100 mg hydrocodone bitartrate.

I think part of what gives hydro a bad rap is the salt form it's usually given in... the bitartrate anion adds a lot of non-opioid weight to the hydro they put in the pill, and I know for a fact they don't compensate with a freebase conversion ratio with hydro pills. Oxycodone on the other hand is delivered as the HCl even in percs... and HCl counterion adds quite a bit less non-opiate weight than bitartrate. I think if they suddenly started using oxycodone bitartrate in oxy products that tons of addicts would be VERY pissed off! In other words, oxycodone FREEBASE is probably only 1.5x stronger than hydrocodone FREEBASE; while in the pills oxy seems 2x the strength.

Anyway -- I give my junkie stamp of approval to interpharm Norco 10/325 mg pills with the IP110 imprint. It's good stuff to munch down with a cup of coffee! Chewing a lil fent patch along with it blasts me into nodland.

bigNasty
11-05-2008, 08:45 PM
I prefer Qualitest hydro's, then watsons, then malli's.

Those are the only ones(i think) i've tried though. Everybody I've talked to say the IP's are shit but i guess i need to try them for myself and see.

resorcinol
11-05-2008, 09:15 PM
I prefer Qualitest hydro's, then watsons, then malli's.

Those are the only ones(i think) i've tried though. Everybody I've talked to say the IP's are shit but i guess i need to try them for myself and see.

If you have a chance, try them. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

I will say that with hydrocodone and oxycodone orally stomach contents significantly effects the come up. On an empty stomach hydrocodone and oxycodone hit you suddenly within 20 mins and pretty hard, and the duration doesn't seem to be shortened. with food in there, it takes 30 to 40 mins to come on and it's a slower more creeping come on.

upstate_007
11-06-2008, 06:35 AM
I just got some of the IP110s a few weeks ago and thought they were comparable to Watson. Either way, they are never enough no matter how many I have.

losangeleslifer
11-06-2008, 11:42 AM
For me its:

Watson
Malli
Qualitest

For some reason I have refused Qualitest. Well, only if I had another hook!! They just dont seem to do it for me. Got a friend thats the same way.

Consumed.
11-06-2008, 01:31 PM
hydrocodone makes me so irritable cause i come down from it so quickly. I find the high much more "buzzy" than other opiates

upstate_007
11-06-2008, 01:39 PM
hydrocodone makes me so irritable cause i come down from it so quickly. I find the high much more "buzzy" than other opiates

Dont forget the headaches too:mad:

resorcinol
11-06-2008, 03:33 PM
hydrocodone makes me so irritable cause i come down from it so quickly. I find the high much more "buzzy" than other opiates

I agree that hydrocodone is more "buzzy" and "speedy" than, say, morphine and heroin. It's hard to explain the feeling really.

Oxycodone is like that for me too, though.

That's the one thing I don't like about hydrocodone, although I extend this feeling to oxycodone too -- the duration is a little on the short side.

I don't think hydrocodone is really a weak opioid though. Yeah, mg for mg, and looking at binding affinity, oxycodone is more potent, and morphine and heroin are a lot more potent, but hydrocodone is friendly.

It's far more potent than codeine (and it's also not a prodrug, unlike codeine which is definitely a prodrug), and actually has a stronger binding affinity AND potency than pethidine (demerol) too. Pethidine is actually pretty damn weak as a mu agonist; it just has a nice rush when injected in sufficient (ie, 80 mg or more) doses because it crosses the BBB very quickly, while hydrocodone is slower to cross. Hydrocodone is the stronger drug, though.

Orally, hydrocodone and morphine are equipotent, IME, although morphine lasts longer. By intravenous, morphine wins, obviously... the morph is more potent at agonizing mu than hydrocodone for sure, but they're equipotent orally since morph has a shitty systemic bioavaliability when taken orally (around 30% ish) while hydrocodone has a high (around 85%) bioavaliability orally.

Hydrocodone still gives me a friendly buzz even though I use fentanyl (although I will say my fent usage is pretty low compared to other fent heads... I only have the duragesic 25 mcg/h ones).

cactus31
11-08-2008, 04:59 PM
I used to get the Watsons, but since my health insurance is non-existant at the time, I go to Costco, and they have Malli's. I get the M358 Hydros.

Ha, it's funny you mention InterPharm. I came across a bunch of IP111's...almost chucked them because I didn't recognize the stamp. Only 5-500's but a narcotic is a narcotic, nonetheless....Fuck, I was pretty sure they were antibiotics!

Which got me to thinking, how the fuck did I get along in the world before the internet. Without a PDR (and that's only helpful for the drugs that the fucking reps want to pay to put in there anyway...), I'd have been screwed.

BTW, yeah, I like the Watsons and even Qualitest better, but $27 @ Costco versus $130+ for my hydros elsewhere is a no brainer.

longduckdong
11-08-2008, 08:00 PM
In So Cal. It's almost always the same. (Assuming you make no preference to the pharmacist)
If you're scribed 5mg or 7.5 you'll always get the mallies. (Sometimes I see the Watson 7.5's)
And if you get the Norcs, you'll get Watsons.

I come across the Mallie 10's every now and again. And the IP 110 too, a little more frequently.

But since hydro is all I can get a hold of right now, and thats all I do. I see Mallies and Watons all the time.

Scartaris
08-19-2009, 01:50 AM
I'm used to the Watson 853 Norcos. I love those things. They work so perfectly and amazingly well. The other day I scored some of the m367's without having to pay for them. I was in bliss thinking about my score.

But then I realized that the Malli's suck so ridiculously bad. It's like there isn't even any hydro in there. I can take 3 and keep checking my pupils in the bathroom in low light........they won't even constrict in the slightest bit.

I swear 1 Watson is better than taking 3 or 4 of those Malli's.......

So looks like Malli's hydro sucks just as bad as their OC.

zketrouble
08-19-2009, 03:03 AM
I've only used the generic shit recreationally...had a urinary tract infection from shootin too much and not eating for 10 days or so and went to the doctor hysterically "oh the PAIN OH THE PAIN!!!" when it was only mild pain, tried to score some dilaud but had no luck. Unfortunately I was uninsured at that time getting free meds so I had to settle for the generic stuff. But hey at least it was free! took around 200mg, at that time I had no opiate tolerance so I thought it was the shit.

Staring at the stoplight, OH MY GOD THE YELLOW LIGHTS ON ITS GONNA TURN GREEN SOON!! Those were the days.


The only time I used the name brand stuff was when I was 13 or so and I had a really, REALLY bad headache and my pops gave me one of his prescription vicodins.

PriceofPills
08-19-2009, 01:28 PM
I used to get the Watson 540, 10/500 big 'ol blue fuckers. Never in my years of opiate use have I seen a name brand Vicodin....seems funny that it's such a popular name for hydros and yet they're never around.

okie dokie
08-19-2009, 01:31 PM
I used to get the Watson 540, 10/500 big 'ol blue fuckers. Never in my years of opiate use have I seen a name brand Vicodin....seems funny that it's such a popular name for hydros and yet they're never around.

same way from my neck of the woods. Watsons if you get lucky, Mallies suck, qualtests once in a blue moon and never in 9 years of use have i seen a Vicodin!!

Logistics
08-19-2009, 01:54 PM
I used to get the Watson 540, 10/500 big 'ol blue fuckers. Never in my years of opiate use have I seen a name brand Vicodin....seems funny that it's such a popular name for hydros and yet they're never around.

Same here, never seen an actual vicodin in my life. Mallies are the name of the game around here, too bad they're weak as shit.

longduckdong
08-19-2009, 02:02 PM
But then I realized that the Malli's suck so ridiculously bad. It's like there isn't even any hydro in there. I can take 3 and keep checking my pupils in the bathroom in low light........they won't even constrict in the slightest bit.

I swear 1 Watson is better than taking 3 or 4 of those Malli's.......

So looks like Malli's hydro sucks just as bad as their OC.

No offense intended bro, but that is just some HARDCORE placebo effect there. Bnders and fillers can maybe affect performance in a minute fashion. BUT, not anywhere close to this degree. There are hardcore standards that these pharm manufacturers must adhere to. And the amount of drug indicated is one of them.

Scartaris
08-19-2009, 03:04 PM
It's not placebo man......I've been taking the Watson's for years. I didn't go into this expecting the Malli's to suck. I figured they were the same......

I just can't get the same relief from these pills. I normally take 5 of the watsons a day. I've had to take 8 of these a day and I don't even get the same relief. It's been like that for a week now. Definitely not placebo. Malli's Norcos just suck really fucking bad. There's got to be someone out there that's experienced this as well.

digby
08-20-2009, 01:53 AM
Sorry Bro, I just have never tried the Mallie brand of Hydro. I pay extra for brand Norcos because they work better for me and it is worth the extra $. I know Watson makes a generic as well, but I can't always control what manufacturer I get when my script is for generic.

I don't think as much of this is placebo effect as people seem to think. Some brands just work better for some people than others. Some brands work better for almost EVERYONE than others. For example, generic Watson somas worked much better than brand name made by Wallace. This was the opinion of everyone that tried both without exception.

On the other hand, I am not aware of any pharm company that makes all bad products. Mallie makes great roxies and they used to make the best generic dexedrine. The worst company I have ever heard of is Teva, but now they have Opana. (Which I still think is screwed up by them, but they contain oxymorph so how bad can you screw that up - even Teva.)

bodytec
08-20-2009, 02:15 AM
I used to get the Watson 540, 10/500 big 'ol blue fuckers. Never in my years of opiate use have I seen a name brand Vicodin....seems funny that it's such a popular name for hydros and yet they're never around.

they are not so big compared to the gen. pink or whites(i guess malli's)
but they are good,and i'm NOT a hydro fan

chopstix
08-20-2009, 02:34 AM
Not sure the manufacturer but we take vicoprofen, not me daily but sometimes, and I think the quality is good for a 7.5. Had a lot of watson norco and some mallies.. Yellow watsons maybe a lil better but not much, I don't usually take more than 40-50mg day though, might as well do dope and save the hydro for tapering at that rate..

tina
08-20-2009, 01:34 PM
I get the Watson 10/350. The last script I got seemed much more potent then usual. Ususally I need @ least 3 but 2 and I was good. I wonder if the older they set the more potent they become????

jo-jo
08-20-2009, 01:44 PM
Wow, I never knew that there was a difference between brands, but it sounds like all brands are not created equal. Swim gets scripted 60 10/325 each month (unfortunately they only last about a week :( ) Just grabbed the bottle and it appears that they are mallies.

Do pharmacies carry different brands in the same store or just one? Can you request what kind you want if they have more than one brand? Swim has a signed pain contract with her doc that requires her to always use the same pharmacy so she can't shop around to different pharms to find a different brand.

digby
08-20-2009, 01:49 PM
Depends on the pharmacy Jo-Jo. The big chains usually don't give you a choice. They have to take whatever their main warehouse just got the best deal on. The mom and pop shops are a different ball game though. They can usually order whatever generic that their supplier or suppliers carry. If I need a specific generic, I always have to go that route.

jo-jo
08-20-2009, 01:54 PM
Depends on the pharmacy Jo-Jo. The big chains usually don't give you a choice. They have to take whatever their main warehouse just got the best deal on. The mom and pop shops are a different ball game though. They can usually order whatever generic that their supplier or suppliers carry. If I need a specific generic, I always have to go that route.

Thanks for the quick reply, digby. Mine is just a local pharmacy with no other branches so I suppose that would be considered a mom and pop operation. I think I would feel a little strange asking for a certain brand, kwim? Hmmm, something to think about for sure though.

I always feel like I'm being judged and labeled a junky when I'm picking up my legally prescribed medications. Guess I need to grow a thicker skin or something.

PriceofPills
08-20-2009, 06:04 PM
The worst company I have ever heard of is Teva, but now they have Opana. (Which I still think is screwed up by them, but they contain oxymorph so how bad can you screw that up - even Teva.)

Endo makes Opana so yah...Teva's still the worst. They one upped their shitty OCs with even worse Fent Patches.

longduckdong
08-30-2009, 11:19 AM
Wow, I never knew that there was a difference between brands, but it sounds like all brands are not created equal. Swim gets scripted 60 10/325 each month (unfortunately they only last about a week :( ) Just grabbed the bottle and it appears that they are mallies.

Do pharmacies carry different brands in the same store or just one? Can you request what kind you want if they have more than one brand? Swim has a signed pain contract with her doc that requires her to always use the same pharmacy so she can't shop around to different pharms to find a different brand.

As long as the pills are being taken orally. The difference in Hydro brands would be about 1%..... Now I'll be the first to admit, placebo plays a large part. But people for whatever reason do not understand that they are getting 10mgs hydro in their system no matter what. Binders and fillers are NOT changing their high by 50-75%. I call BULLSHIT on that til the day I die.

The other thing people need to remember when taking pills. What is already in your stomach, and for how long is going to make a huge difference. Especailly when someone is talking about taking a 20-40mg dose. If they just ate dinner, then that dose is going to be VERY weak.

In closing, its all horseshit. 80mgs watson, 80mg mallie, 80mg interpharms are all gonna hit you with the same mgs of hydro in your body. It's up to you if you let your mind fuck you up even more.

skeezerjohns22
08-30-2009, 01:07 PM
For the most part watsons and mallie's...ucb's very rarely...

Richard_Cranium
10-18-2011, 11:14 AM
Old thread but wanted to chime in... Qualitest speckled 7.5's are some of the best I've had (for the 7.5's anyways) all time favorite would be blue watson 540 10's.

Sorry to bring back such an old thread but hydro talk seems to be getting thin on here lately, what happened to the love? :)

peace!

jspilt
10-19-2011, 08:15 PM
Old thread but wanted to chime in... Qualitest speckled 7.5's are some of the best I've had (for the 7.5's anyways) all time favorite would be blue watson 540 10's.

Sorry to bring back such an old thread but hydro talk seems to be getting thin on here lately, what happened to the love? :)

peace!

Since you bumped it already :P The 10/500 pink Qualitest are the best I have come across. I usually get the blue 10/500 Watsons, they're not bad, but I've been getting them for a few years, maybe that's why the Qualitest felt nicer.

Tony
10-19-2011, 10:11 PM
Here is my opinion,

First, I strongly believe that there is a difference ( Very Noticable and Real ) in the generics and the difference in the Brand VS Generics. I read where the guidelines could account for as much as a 20 Percent difference in amount of active ingredient!

That is a noticable difference, and I for one would be glad to take
a blind test to prove the point! If someone will supply the Hydro!

# 1 Zydone
# 2 Lortab
# 3 Vicodon
# 4 Watson
# 5 UBC

That's my story and I am sticking to it!I did take Hydro for years before I
upgraded to the class II meds. Sadly I need to chomp 10 10mg pills to feel
anything, and that is right at the limit for my already fuckered up Liver.

It really makes me mad how many people screwed up there Livers taking mass amounts
of APAP with the Hydo pills. Drinking with them as well. It sickens me that Doctors and big
Pharma new about the havoc they were wreaking all the time and never so much as said
a word!

Peace

qwertmonkey
10-19-2011, 11:10 PM
I know this sucker is ancient, but like jsplit said, it's already been bumped. :-/

I've gotten mallie, watson, and qualitest norcos in the past few months in the form of 10/325. They all came from the same pharmacy so my observations are based off of product that came from a more or less controlled setting.

Here's my preference in order of favorite to 3rd favorite (they're all yummy)

1. Watson
2. Qualitest
3. Mallinckrodt

The mallies seem to kick in the quickest and are easier to swallow, but the buzz from the Watson's seems cleaner than the former.

Der Alte Krieger
10-19-2011, 11:52 PM
I get 120 of the IP110s a month but I feel like the yeller ones have more kick to them and so do the folks I share with. I'm going to print this out and show it to them so they quit complaining.