switchin from done to h???

[monkeyphunk]

ok so after two years of bein on mmt i realise its the same as havin to go cop evry day or once a week im still tied like a ball and chain to this stuff now what i am wonderin if id be better off catchin a lil h habit for a couple of months to get all the done out of my body while the h deals with the w/d from the done then after a couple of months jus do a a detox on the done .... if anyone has anything that might hellp id appreciate i know the big problem is once im off everything but im ready for that for now so i wanna remember what life was like without anything i jus cant go through with a month to three month w/d from the done

[candy]

Can you do a longer slower w/d from the Methadone. I did a blind detox of done once before over a a 9 month period and never felt a thing.
I just wouldn't advise going back to H to try and do a Methadone w/d.
I don't know about you, but I couldn't control muy H use well enough to do stay at the same amount for a long period. Somehow you always end up wanting and doing more.

And I feel like being on Methadone is less of a hassle than trying to hustle the money for H everday. Let alone sitting and waiting for that call back and then waiting again somewhere else for an hour cause your dealer doesn't really give a shit if he is late....He has what you want and he is virtually in control of that fucked up relationship.
So for me....Being on H was more work and although I loved the high I got, I hated the fucking shit I had to go through each day to get it.
At least I know what time the clinic is open and that as long as I can get there, I won't be dope sick. Not to mention, Methadone is much cheaper than the habit I had.

OK, so just my look at the situation.

[Voyager]

I wouldn't suggest you come off from Methadone by using Heroin.
Because you will need loads of smack to keep you from Methadone withdrawals.
And then detoxing from Heroin by the help of Methadone, no way, that's a REALLY bad idea.
The doctors troughout the world are realising that Methadone is really not a good option for the detox.
Because you will be switched to Methadone, then slowly taper down, but even if you taper 1mg a day, you will still feel the withdrawals when you come to 0mg, and those withdrawals are awfull and last for a few weeks. You cannot avoid that.
Methadone is not really a good option for a detox.

If you ask me, you should come off of Methadone by the help of Buprenorphine.

Or, if you have any problems with Buprenorphine, the do like this:
Taper Methadone slowly down to 40mg a day.
Then do a switch to:

500mg of Ultram
D.S. Tramadol, morning - 200mg, noon - 150mg, evening - 150mg

5mg of Clonopine
D.S. Clonazepam, morning - 2mg, noon - 2mg, evening - 1mg

You should be fine with that.
Then after 3 days on 500mg of Tramadol and 5mg of Clonazepam, start tapering down Ultram by 50mg every second day. First remove 50mg from your morning dose, then 50mg from your noon dose, then 50mg from your evening dose, then 50mg again from your morning dose, and then 50mg from your evening dose. That's 5 tapering steps which should take you to 250mg of Tramadol a day in 10 days.
Your Tramadol dosing regime should look like this:

250mg of Ultram
D.S. Tramadol, morning - 100mg, noon - 100mg, evening - 50mg

Now, after 10 days, when you come to 250mg of Tramadol a day, cut your Clonazepam dose to 2.5mg a day, with the dosing regime like this:

2.5mg of Clonopine
D.S. Clonazepam, morning - 1mg, noon - 1mg, evening - 0.5mg

Now, stay on that Tramadol and Clonazepam dosing regime for 3 days.
After 3 days, start lowering your Tramadol dose by 50mg every 3rd day till you get to 0mg with it.
First remove 50mg from your noon dose, then 50mg from your morning dose, then 50mg from your evening dose, then 50mg from your noon dose, and at last those last 50mg from your morning dose.
That should last for exactly 15 days.

Now, after 15 days, when you come to 0mg of Tramadol, start taking at least 2 liters of lemonade with sugar a day as a detoxing agent, reduce your Clonazepam to 2mg a day and start with Zoloft (Sertraline) 50mg a day, with the dosing regime:

2mg of Clonopine
D.S. Clonazepam, morning - 1mg, noon - 0mg, evening - 1mg

50mg of Zoloft
D.S. Sertraline, morning - 50mg, noon - 0mg, evening - 0mg

Be on that therapy and lemonade for the next 30 days.
After 30 days see how you feel.
You can then continue with Clonopine and Zoloft, or you can stop taking them, reducing Clonopine by 0.5mg every 2nd day, and when you come to 0mg of Clonopine, just stop Zoloft as well.
As for the lemonade, you also won't need it anymore in such quantities.

There, you should be clean then.

[candy]

That sounds like a great way to do it Voyager, but what if he cannot get a hold of the meds you have listed in your detox.
Not everyone has the access to Medical care that can provide them with a doctor that will prescribe him those meds.

I came off of Methadone with a long blind detox and did well for a very long time. My going back to using Heroin was not due to withdrawals, but more like stupidity and I had been of of Methadone for a few years already.
Coming off of Methadone can be done if your patient.

[monkeyphunk]

i have been considerin tryin the bupe but there is also the hard switch from done to bupe where i hear alot of people havin problems swichin from the done to bupe maybe its the long half life that the done was still attached to the receptor but then again im sure if i wait three days after takin my last dose of done im sure i will not have any precipatated w/d's .... if the done clinic was cloder to where ii lived itd be easier but closest clinic is forty five minutes away so also if anyone knows of a methadone clinic closer to huntington beach ca i got open ears ,i looked and their are a couple of bupe drs around (doesnt surprise me im sure thier are junkies around here they jus arent street junkies and keep on the dl)

[upstate_007]

If you are just looking for convenience, then subs would probably be a good option for you. More expensive though? If that matters? Just wait it out getting sicker and you should be cool. Best bet is to wait till you feel its been long enough, and then wait some more to be sure. Especially with done and its long life.

Switching to H would be a great idea if you are one of the 0.00001% of people with the cast-iron will to follow a strict regimen and not get sidetracked. I know I can't do it.

Either way, best of luck to you.

[rockbottom]

all i can say is i was able to quit herion CT---the pain would finally go away----i couldn't quit methadone
CT--i had to do a long taper--over a year-----and i still felt like shit for months afterward

[nick]

Yeah,this is one of those gigs that look great on paper and makes perfect sense,but is very dangerous in reality.

Find a drug you can live with.Then get stable,then worry about getting clean.