breastfeeding and weed?

[SHELLEY]

breastfeeding and smoking pot- do they go together?
i ask purely out of curiosity
because of course i would never do such a thing...

[nick]

breastfeeding and smoking pot- do they go together?
i ask purely out of curiosity
because of course i would never do such a thing...

Depends,if you want THC to build up in juniors fatty cells then light one up because,of course,THC passes directly from your breast milk to junior.

[rockbottom]

i have some child abuse stories--i saw a momma feeding her infant beer inna bottle--i was tripping on her -i was only 17 i couldn't tell her what to do--her reasoning i'm Irish this is how were raised

i've known hippies who gave there children pot and shrooms--there reasoning "there beautiful its good for everybody" i will say the kids seemed to be having a blast on the shrooms--laughing and playing like very happy children----

but i was young they were older and it wasn't my place to tell them what to do--just a couple true stories--

[Narkotikon]

This reminds me of a very old thread. It was like a year or a year and a half ago. It was about some YouTube video that showed a Persian father / grandfather giving his little son / grandson opium to smoke. The video was basically the adult showing the kid how to smoke opium. The kid looked like he was about seven years old or so. I know that opium smoking is a part of the culture in societies like that, but still. They're just kids.

As to the pot thing, I don't know. I assume it would pass into breast milk and onto the baby. I'm not sure though.

[Suboxstitute]

breastfeeding and smoking pot- do they go together?
i ask purely out of curiosity
because of course i would never do such a thing...

Try googling La Leche on the Internet......name means the milk I think.

..... they know everying about nursing a baby and I do not think they will be judmental anyhing, and so what, you are just asking a question!

I hope there's way you can find our=it is really nice to be able to your baby from your milk jugs (ha ha) and iinterday

[Narkotikon]

Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of anyone who's ever bought breast milk off the internet? I heard about that while ago, and I can't see how that's safe. Like, buying a random stranger's breast milk to feed to your kid. Ever hear of anyone doing that? That intrigues me for some reason.

[bigNasty]

Not to change the subject, but does anyone know of anyone who's ever bought breast milk off the internet? I heard about that while ago, and I can't see how that's safe. Like, buying a random stranger's breast milk to feed to your kid. Ever hear of anyone doing that? That intrigues me for some reason.
I hear cambodian breast milk is the best:D

http://www.imeem.com/gwang/video/-XFr8aXu/the_chappelle_show_making_the_band_breast_milk_com edy_vide/

[Narkotikon]

^^^^^^^ LOL. He should join up with Ben and Jerry's. There was something a few weeks ago about them saying they thought, to be more humanitarian to cows, that ice cream should be made with human breast milk, and not milk from cows. Because, you know, it's cruel to milk cows and stuff. Chelsea Handler, this comedian I like, was saying they should have a celebrity line. Like, you know, each award-winning actress could have their own ice cream flavor from their extruded milk.

[bigNasty]

^^^^^^^ LOL. He should join up with Ben and Jerry's. There was something a few weeks ago about them saying they thought, to be more humanitarian to cows, that ice cream should be made with human breast milk, and not milk from cows. Because, you know, it's cruel to milk cows and stuff. Chelsea Handler, this comedian I like, was saying they should have a celebrity line. Like, you know, each award-winning actress could have their own ice cream flavor from their extruded milk.
I love Chelsea but I didn't see that. You know celebrities love buying expensive shit just cause its expensive(cristal, bentley's, etc...). I bet every new episode of MTV Cribs would have somebody saying "Here's my fridge, its empty besides the Cris and Angelina Jolie's African Chocolate Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream made from her real breast milk. It's $500 a pint"

[EleusisII]

Yup, its true... You can buy breastmilk, and make big bucks making it...

But back to Shelley, I wouldn't do it... The THC passes directly to junior. The science is all over the place with this, but some studies show, that weed can be pretty damaging to the brain. Especially with a newborn.

[poonwhalla]

I knew this hippie chick that came over my house after she just had a kid, said to me "Poon I have been here for 5 minutes and you haven't smoked me out yet. It kind of made me sick to my stomach to watch her breast feed in one arm and smoke a joint in another. The kid is like 7 or 8 and he kinda has a perma stoned thing with him, that I think she caused by smoking and giving the kid the tit.

[Narkotikon]

I knew this hippie chick that came over my house after she just had a kid, said to me "Poon I have been here for 5 minutes and you haven't smoked me out yet. It kind of made me sick to my stomach to watch her breast feed in one arm and smoke a joint in another. The kid is like 7 or 8 and he kinda has a perma stoned thing with him, that I think she caused by smoking and giving the kid the tit.

I know that breast milk is the best for babies and infants, but if you're going to do shit like that, just give the kid formula. I mean, formula isn't bad. People make it out to be poison or something. Or, just take a breast pump and express a shit load of milk before you get high, and freeze the stuff. I don't know how long it keeps in a frozen state, but I know you can freeze it. But yeah, just use formula if you want to get high and can't control the urge. Simple solution.

[poonwhalla]

I hear ya but this chick is one of those no shaving no showering disgusting hippies that think that weed is good for the kid. I think weed should be a personal choice and it is pretty harmless but give the fucking kid a chance for christs sake ya know. This fucking kid is like slater from dazed and confused.

[Narkotikon]

I hear ya but this chick is one of those no shaving no showering disgusting hippies that think that weed is good for the kid. I think weed should be a personal choice and it is pretty harmless but give the fucking kid a chance for christs sake ya know. This fucking kid is like slater from dazed and confused.

Yeah, I agree with you. I do think weed is pretty harmless, and I know that parent's are responsible for their kids until they turn 18, but yeah, give the kid a chance. It's a personal choice, and I don't think deciding weed is good for your kid is a real good choice.

I don't mind hippies in some ways. I generally like peace and acceptance. But the whole bathing thing. GROSS! I went into a Whole Foods over the summer (early July) looking for poppy seeds (they don't have good ones, so don't bother), and the smell of body odor just hit me at the door. I don't know what was up, but that particular store stank. It was so gross. Take a fucking bath people!

[EleusisII]

Yeah, I agree that weed is one of the most harmless drugs. But NOT when your brain is still developing at a couple of months old.
Shit, I'd recommend taking methadone while breastfeeding over lipophilic THC... Yes it has fascinating neuroprotective capabilities, but in reality there's just so much about the drug that we don't know yet...

[NV12]

I knew this hippie chick that came over my house after she just had a kid, said to me "Poon I have been here for 5 minutes and you haven't smoked me out yet. It kind of made me sick to my stomach to watch her breast feed in one arm and smoke a joint in another. The kid is like 7 or 8 and he kinda has a perma stoned thing with him, that I think she caused by smoking and giving the kid the tit.

I think the most disturbing part is not the smoking, but the fact the kid is 7 or and still breastfeeding?!?! I have a 7 yr old and that just creeps me out :confused: I'm all for breastfeeding, but 7? Wonder if she does it in public... :)

[underide]

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i've known hippies who gave there children pot and shrooms--there reasoning "there beautiful its good for everybody" i will say the kids seemed to be having a blast on the shrooms--laughing and playing like very happy children----


I read an article about Courtney Love's father - Hank Harrison
Well it turns out, Courtney Love was fed ACID as a child, by her nutty father(who was a roadie for the Greatful Dead for a few years, apparently) and his hippy friends

Her crazy ass dad tried to deny it at first, but apparently they had this hippy commune and most of the kids as young as 4-5yrs old that lived/travelled with that commune were given acid
and he (courtney's dad) even ended up admitting it in the end i think, but he said it was one of his friends that gave 5-6 yr old Courtney some windowpane,
and probably not just once but sever times. Obviously just didn't want to implicate himself

I think Courtney Love said the exact same thing in some other article or interview

Doesn't surprise me in the least, though.

would explain a lot of things too, i guess :rolleyes:

[OxyContinuously]

Hiya Shelley

hope all is well with Jasmyne,, and you're feelin a little better?

but anyway 2 answer the original question: sure, THC will pass on through breastmilk to ur kid,, BUT it's THC for crying out loud....IOW probably one of the *least* harmful things that Junior could get..

like I wouldn't worry about it hurting the kid or anything; definitely nothing like that, but it does pass thru breastmilk, just to letcha know ;-)

thc is one of those things that is very fat soluble, and if the mom smoked, it stays in her body, in fat cells and stuff, so naturally it would be present in the mom's bodily fluids (urine, blood, etc.) so breastmilk is just another fluid...

but like i said, thc is practically harmless to a child...

take care, and i'm sure ur hands are full!!

[losangeleslifer]

Why provide or give anything to a child "not needed" or "harmless" in the first place? I seem to remember a thread about "A human right" to do drugs or some shit like that. My question is, don't innocent children have a "human right" not to?

[OxyContinuously]

Why provide or give anything to a child "not needed" or "harmless" in the first place? I seem to remember a thread about "A human right" to do drugs or some shit like that. My question is, don't innocent children have a "human right" not to?

what are you the spokesman for "Save the Babies of America?"

[EleusisII]

Oxy, you and me usually see eye to eye on most things, but this time... WTF?!?

BUT it's THC for crying out loud....IOW probably one of the *least* harmful things that Junior could get..

That's like saying, "Wow, junior got hit by a Ford Fiesta... Well, at least that's probably one of the *least* harmful cars that he could get hit by"...
We're talking about introducing a lipophilic substance that (to a certain degree) binds itself to brain cells, to a baby who's brain is still developing! Something like 80% of the brains development happens before a kid is three years old.

Yeah, it could be worse, Shelley could let the kid sit and suck on lead-pacifiers, but that doesn't mean that introducing the kid to weed (Which pretty much is the case here) is a swell idea.

Why take the chance? Who's to say that the increase in developmental disorders and autism, that has taken place over the last 30 years (since MJ became a popular substance), isn't caused by breastfeeding babies getting exposed to THC? Who knows... But why take the chance?


thc is one of those things that is very fat soluble, and if the mom smoked, it stays in her body, in fat cells and stuff, so naturally it would be present in the mom's bodily fluids (urine, blood, etc.) so breastmilk is just another fluid...

This is EXACTLY why it would be a good idea to quit smoking now... The amounts of THC that are still left in Shelleys body are miniscule, compared to the amounts of THC baby would get, if she keeps smoking. I'd be less worried about Shelley doing coke and methadone, (especially the last one) since neither of those bind themselves to the brain as much as THC...

[EleusisII]

but like i said, thc is practically harmless to a child...


We don't know that much about how THC affects a developing brain, but I wouldn't jump to a conclusion like that...

http://www.cfpc.ca/cfp/2005/Mar/vol51-mar-clinical-1.asp
In 1990, a study by Astley and Little suggested that exposure to THC through breast milk in the first month of life could result in decreased motor development at 1 year old.9 No studies have adequately addressed the effects on long-term neurodevelopment. Lethargy, less frequent feeding, and shorter feeding times are other observations reported after babies’ exposure to THC through breast milk.

Marijuana can cause sleepiness in the baby, which can lead to slow weight gain and possibly slow overall development in the baby long term. In addition, babies whose mothers smoke marijuana regularly have a higher risk of SIDS.

Hale reports a possibility of decreased milk production. In animals, THC decreases the amount of milk produced by suppressing the production of prolactin and, possibly, by a direct action on the mammary glands.

There is significant brain growth occurring during a baby's first months of life; marijuana may alter brain cells. Animal studies (on babies whose mothers' milk contained THC) have shown that DNA and RNA metabolism may also be affected and the proteins needed for proper growth and development impaired.

[bigNasty]

Oxy, you and me usually see eye to eye on most things, but this time... WTF?!?



That's like saying, "Wow, junior got hit by a Ford Fiesta... Well, at least that's probably one of the *least* harmful cars that he could get hit by"...
We're talking about introducing a lipophilic substance that (to a certain degree) binds itself to brain cells, to a baby who's brain is still developing! Something like 80% of the brains development happens before a kid is three years old.

Yeah, it could be worse, Shelley could let the kid sit and suck on lead-pacifiers, but that doesn't mean that introducing the kid to weed (Which pretty much is the case here) is a swell idea.

Why take the chance? Who's to say that the increase in developmental disorders and autism, that has taken place over the last 30 years (since MJ became a popular substance), isn't caused by breastfeeding babies getting exposed to THC? Who knows... But why take the chance?




This is EXACTLY why it would be a good idea to quit smoking now... The amounts of THC that are still left in Shelleys body are miniscule, compared to the amounts of THC baby would get, if she keeps smoking. I'd be less worried about Shelley doing coke and methadone, (especially the last one) since neither of those bind themselves to the brain as much as THC...
+1. i agree. kids are naturally happy being completely sober. Why fuck the kid's brain chemistry up when you could just give it formula without THC in it? And weed can/does make one paranoid, this kid could grow up with anxiety problems cause its had THC in its body its entire life. Like everyone else has said, GIVE THE KID A CHANCE and give it formula or quit smoking weed

[EleusisII]

I think the most disturbing part is not the smoking, but the fact the kid is 7 or and still breastfeeding?!?! I have a 7 yr old and that just creeps me out Wonder if she does it in public... :)

Is it just me, or is the thought of NV12 breastfeeding her 7 year old in public, kind of titila..., ehm nevermind... I'll just creep back into those bushes, and mind my own business... :jerkoff:

[bigNasty]

Is it just me, or is the thought of you breastfeeding your 7 year old in public, kind of titila..., ehm nevermind... I'll just creep back into those bushes, and mind my own business... :jerkoff:
I think they meant the mother smoked weed and breast fed the kid while he was an infant............And now he's 7 or 8, eating regular food, and still acts like slater off dazed and confused.

[longduckdong]

what are you the spokesman for "Save the Babies of America?"

Dude, that was WAY out of line. And Im sure everyone knows my stance on parents & children so I wont get into it. But he made a great case. As did bignasty below too.

The original topic of this thread makes me sad.

[OxyContinuously]

Oxy, you and me usually see eye to eye on most things, but this time... WTF?!?



That's like saying, "Wow, junior got hit by a Ford Fiesta... Well, at least that's probably one of the *least* harmful cars that he could get hit by"...
We're talking about introducing a lipophilic substance that (to a certain degree) binds itself to brain cells, to a baby who's brain is still developing! Something like 80% of the brains development happens before a kid is three years old.

Yeah, it could be worse, Shelley could let the kid sit and suck on lead-pacifiers, but that doesn't mean that introducing the kid to weed (Which pretty much is the case here) is a swell idea.

Why take the chance? Who's to say that the increase in developmental disorders and autism, that has taken place over the last 30 years (since MJ became a popular substance), isn't caused by breastfeeding babies getting exposed to THC? Who knows... But why take the chance?




This is EXACTLY why it would be a good idea to quit smoking now... The amounts of THC that are still left in Shelleys body are miniscule, compared to the amounts of THC baby would get, if she keeps smoking. I'd be less worried about Shelley doing coke and methadone, (especially the last one) since neither of those bind themselves to the brain as much as THC...

very well said, Eleusis...All I meant was that THC out of all the things out there, probably isn't detrimental to the baby, but you brought up a great point that we don't really know a whole lot about how it would affect a developing child; things like that.

And I honestly didn't even think about that part about the brain's development before age three...tell you the truth, I wasn't even aware of that fact until you just said so...and now that I do know that,, maybe thc wouldn't be such a good idea...after all, we've all heard the cases of people pre-disposed to certain mental illnesses--that usually run in the family--who smoke marijuana for the first time, and that triggers their latent schizophrenia, or maybe Bipolar I for example...so who's to know what could happen to a baby...Okay, okay, I definitely do understand your point...

Dude, that was WAY out of line. And Im sure everyone knows my stance on parents & children so I wont get into it. But he made a great case. As did bignasty below too.

The original topic of this thread makes me sad.

Ahh, I meant nothing by it...more of an attempt at humor than anything else-- I wouldn't want to see or hear of a new baby getting hurt by the parents' neglect any more than you would.

[EleusisII]

Methinks it's time for a chillpill for everybody.

And let's cut down on the self-rightousness too, eh?

It doesn't make you a horrible person to smoke weed while you're breastfeeding, if you're think you're doing the right thing...

There hasn't been a whole lot of science done on this, and who knows, maybe breastfeeding is so beneficial that it outweighs all the possible sideeffects of THC.

Personally, I'd rather go on formula though.
It's a personal choice, and we all want what's the best for our kids...

[Poppylvr]

breastfeeding and smoking pot- do they go together?
i ask purely out of curiosity
because of course i would never do such a thing...
Shelley, I don't have any scientific studies to base my opinion on (GOOD INFO EleusisII). Just years of being a mom & a nurse & working with drug affected babies & kids.
Don't do it. Jasmyne doesn't need pot added to her methadone dose (methadone DOES pass into breast milk). If you really want to get high, please give her formula.
Additionally, you are on probation as I recall. If you flunk a whizz quiz for THC, your PO will be on the phone to child & family services so fast you won't know what hit ya. Please don't risk losing Jas or getting into more hot water just for some weed.

[EleusisII]

All I meant was that THC out of all the things out there, probably isn't detrimental to the baby

I know what you mean, and I agree to an extent. Of all the pollutants and toxins out there, THC hopefully isn't that bad. Unfortunately, no one can tell for sure.
BTW, you know what's really controversial?

CELLPHONES!!!

They did a study on pregnant women and cellphone use this year. If you're a kid, and your mother used a cellphone even just once a day while she was pregnant with you, you have something like 50% higher risk of getting a (at least mild) learning disability later in life.

What's fascinating is this: It's either A: due to the fact that the cellphones radiowaves damages the growing brain of the fetus, or B: Women that use cellphone frequently are simply put worse mothers. They might be busy career women, who have less time for a growing baby (since they're on the fucking phone all the time), and it's the lack of mother-baby interaction that later causes a learning disability...

(This study started 6-8 years ago, when cellphones were less common than they are today, and were primarily used by people with higher incomes and better jobs: Businesswomen and professionals.)

[Papa Verine]

I believe THC is pretty harmless for adults.

I think it's potentially harmful to children who are still growing/developing.

A baby, only a couple months old, should NOT be exposed to anything that's potentially harmful in any way.

Why take the chance?

[nick]

As an aside,there are some cultures in which breast feeding goes on beyond early childhood,the Roma spring to mind.Hell,I've seen a Spanish gypsy breast feed her son who must have been 14-15 and yeah,it's a weird site.

[OxyContinuously]

As an aside,there are some cultures in which breast feeding goes on beyond early childhood,the Roma spring to mind.Hell,I've seen a Spanish gypsy breast feed her son who must have been 14-15 and yeah,it's a weird site.

Oh my goodness! u gotta think also, what the *hell* is wrong with the kid to knowingly breastfeed at that advanced age...that's horrible, not to mention all the problems (mentally) something like that must cause the child later on in life...once they reach adulthood, those kids are probably the biggest sissies and crybaby fruitcakes this world has ever seen...ugh

[longduckdong]

Originally Posted by longduckdong http://forum.opiophile.org/images/gnome/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.opiophile.org/showthread.php?p=310513#post310513)
Dude, that was WAY out of line. And Im sure everyone knows my stance on parents & children so I wont get into it. But he made a great case. As did bignasty below too.

The original topic of this thread makes me sad.
Ahh, I meant nothing by it...more of an attempt at humor than anything else-- I wouldn't want to see or hear of a new baby getting hurt by the parents' neglect any more than you would.

Oh cool. I guess I misinterpereted the post. Thanks for sharing that. Sometimes when it comes to kids, I get so upset at things parents do, or even think of doing that I get so literal.

[NV12]

I know that breast milk is the best for babies and infants, but if you're going to do shit like that, just give the kid formula. I mean, formula isn't bad. People make it out to be poison or something. Or, just take a breast pump and express a shit load of milk before you get high, and freeze the stuff. I don't know how long it keeps in a frozen state, but I know you can freeze it. But yeah, just use formula if you want to get high and can't control the urge. Simple solution.

That's the way to do it, especially with alcohol involved. You can actually freeze it for up to about 6 months or so, allows alot of freedom. And when you do partake in whatever ya like, just pump and dump. Inconvenient but worth it. Too many "what if's" for me.

Shelley- hope everything is going well for ya...

[NV12]

Is it just me, or is the thought of NV12 breastfeeding her 7 year old in public, kind of titila..., ehm nevermind... I'll just creep back into those bushes, and mind my own business... :jerkoff:

Ha... if you're into stuff like that I guess :) You're not right ;) Go back to the bushes, uh, well...

[RobotJones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68bt4v4xPg

check out this video. it's about a british woman who breastfeeds her 5 and 7 year old kids. it even shows the kid crawling up on her lap straight for the boob for a snack. it's kinda disturbing, but very interesting also.

[OxyContinuously]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68bt4v4xPg

check out this video. it's about a british woman who breastfeeds her 5 and 7 year old kids. it even shows the kid crawling up on her lap straight for the boob for a snack. it's kinda disturbing, but very interesting also.

Ok, look...theres no way to be polite and also convey my point so fuck it; the woman in the video is a delusional bitch and what she is doing to her daughter is child abuse....she's no better than the local 40-something short-eyes at the park who pretends to read the newspaper with three days of stubble on his face and thick horn-rimmed glasses...

and the worst part is that she thinks she's "Mother of the Year" when in actuality she's a child molestor...

one of her quotes was: "...one of the really nice things as children get older is that they can verbalize their experience and tell you how much they enJOY it..."

and another: "...in the morning when I'm getting dressed, the girls talk to my breasts, they touch them..."

listen: this is SICK, pure and simple...that woman should be ashamed of herself and be in PRISON...

Jesus H., now I have seen it all

[underide]

yeah, i've seen a part of that programme about that woman breastfeeding her 5 and 10 year olds

I don't agree that it's child abuse, since in almost every case child abuse at that age, when the children are being abused they realise they are being abused and most certainly react negatively towards it

Here these girls actually seem to really enjoy it
And it's their own mother, so personally i don't see it as abuse at all,. I'.bet they will be growing out of it fairly soon anyway since the adolescence usually brings out a whole different understanding/relationship with your parents and those girls in the videos are just overgrown, spoiled toddlers at this stage who's mother has just spoiled them to keep breastfeeding them to that age, plain and simple.
but still, that doesn't make her anything close to a child molester in my eyes at least.

It's definitely weird though, no doubt about that, and probably pretty hard to grasp for anyone outside THEIR family

[Narkotikon]

That's just weird. I guess I can see how it's done in some cultures, but still. When you're 5 and above, you do realize on some level that that's weird. It's like, what do you say to your friends, I'll be out to play after I'm done nursing? Weird. If they STILL want to feed their kids breastmilk at that age, why not use a pump and pour it into a cup for the kid at least.

The whole baby / weed thing. Yeah, I think weed is pretty harmless for adults, but yeah, kids' brains go through a lot of development in the first few years, so I think that weed isn't a good idea. Just use expressed milk prior to smoking or use formula.

That hippie chick who though it was good. I mean, that's kind of dumb I think. I'm willing to say that weed is harmless to adults, and "maybe" harmless to infants, but to call it "good" is like saying it's a vitamin supplement. That's just dumb. I think that's more often than not just an excuse to justify not wanting to give up weed and refusing to use formula. I don't see how any rational adult would say that weed is "good" for a baby. I mean, it's not like iron, or Vitamin B, or calcium.

[OxyContinuously]

once again to convince the un-convinced: "they like to talk to my breasts, to touch them"

I mean what's next? Diapers till 30?

[nick]

I believe THC is pretty harmless for adults.



This is true for folks with "normal" brain chemistry,but for some with mental health problems THC is very dangerous,especially strains with high levels of THC like skunk.

[nick]

She's a sicko; once again to convince the un-convinced: "they like to talk to my breasts, to touch them"

come on. honestly, wtf is *that* about? I don't know about the rest of you, but I have no desire to talk to my mother's breasts, let alone touch them, nor would I ever...

As a matter of fact, I try to keep the concepts of "mother" and "breast" from forming a linear thought pattern in my mind...

I mean what's next? Diapers till 30?

I believe the gig is that for older children this is nursing not feeding.It's all about expressing reassurance,intimacy and affection on a non verbal level...........must admit,I find it pretty messed up too.

[OxyContinuously]

I believe the gig is that for older children this is nursing not feeding.It's all about expressing reassurance,intimacy and affection on a non verbal level...........must admit,I find it pretty messed up too.

Yeah, I agree Nick....I mean, in all honesty she didn't seem, like a *bad* lady and I don't think her intentions are bad,, but intention and long-term consequences of acting on such intentions are two totally different things...

I'm sure it would not be a stretch at all to say that these two girls will probably have many many problems in the "dating game," and forming meaningful relationships with men in general...

All sorts of freaky personality disorders and anti social tendencies could result from things like this; the long term effects could be far more detrimental than mum's original plan of providing her girls with "affection" and a "safe haven."

[NV12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68bt4v4xPg

check out this video. it's about a british woman who breastfeeds her 5 and 7 year old kids. it even shows the kid crawling up on her lap straight for the boob for a snack. it's kinda disturbing, but very interesting also.

Watching that video makes me feel dirty. Those poor girls.

[EleusisII]

I guess it's a cultural thing... In some cultures mothers breastfeed kids for longer.
Supposedly it's really healthy if you breastfeed up to three years.

As for harm done?
(Well, I'd make sure to tell the kids to keep their mouths shut about this, but then again, the woman probably lives on a commune where everybody does it.)
I think that there's a lot worse things parents can do to mess up their kids. Breastfeeding up till three-four is pretty harmless. (OK, six is really pushing it!)

Here's a thing that those of us without kids probably forget. Toddlers aren't sexual beings. If you're two or three years old, mommys breasts aren't a sexual object, it's just a snackbar.

Once the kid starts to develop his or hers sexuality though, I'd definetly cut them off. Especially if it's a boy!

[resorcinol]

I think the late breastfeeding depicted in that video was very strange but not really child abuse. There has to be a certain dynamic there for it to be child abuse / molestation.

It WAS a bit too much for me to even handle though, when she said that the like to "talk to and touch" her breasts.

It's definitely something that straddles the fringe of what's acceptable for me, but I try not to make harsh judgements on people.

i think there's an even chance that they may have issues about it later in life or that they may have no problems whatsoever related to it.

The mother is strange for sure, but I wouldn't call her abusive. C'mon, that sadistic dynamic just isn't there.

About MJ and breastfeeding -- I agree w/ most of the others, don't do it. If you wanna smoke feed your baby formula. It MAY be harmless, but we can't say for sure. The baby's brain is still juvenile. For adults, MJ is much more proven to be pretty innocuous. There's also the consent issue... people should decide whether they partake or not. Formula feeding is a healthy option for moms who want to toke.

[losangeleslifer]

what are you the spokesman for "Save the Babies of America?"

Yup. I got an arm band and a whistle too!:p

[losangeleslifer]

That Youtube vid of the girl breast feeding was at the least a bit odd imo. Yea maybe it is a cultural thing, like in Africa or some remote island country. But in England? WTF? Shit I know the food over there sucks but damn.

[SeVeN]

As an aside,there are some cultures in which breast feeding goes on beyond early childhood,the Roma spring to mind.Hell,I've seen a Spanish gypsy breast feed her son who must have been 14-15 and yeah,it's a weird site.

Thats really gross. And yes Shelley THC will be in breast milk.

[SurfRat]

As an aside,there are some cultures in which breast feeding goes on beyond early childhood,the Roma spring to mind.Hell,I've seen a Spanish gypsy breast feed her son who must have been 14-15 and yeah,it's a weird site.

Was she hot?






Breastfeeding and weed? No.

[EleusisII]

^^^^
Brilliant Surfrat! Way to boil the whole post down to bare essentials!

[Cherry's Jubilee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68bt4v4xPg

check out this video. it's about a british woman who breastfeeds her 5 and 7 year old kids. it even shows the kid crawling up on her lap straight for the boob for a snack. it's kinda disturbing, but very interesting also.

kinda disturbing...this is extraordinarily fucked up, this lady is a total fuckin sicko and she's doing a master job of justifying it and projecting it onto her kids. have you heard of munchausen's syndrome by proxy? that's when the parent has some kind of mental disorder or need for attention so they project it onto their kids. she's not acting like her kids are sick exactly (she's actually normalizing it), but that's an example that there are actual diagnosable illnesses where the mom is totally fucked and makes her kids believe certain things about themselves in order for her to continue having her (twisted) needs met. there must be a name for this...

these kids don't fucking "naturally" love, talk to, play with, name, and draw pictures of her fucking tits! she has created and fostered that behavior and now they think it's coming from them. i call 100% total bullshit. they could be perfectly well-adjusted and feel safe and loved without engaging in some kind of creepy, socialy unnacceptable, and definitely sexualized behavior. this chick has some kind of major issues with her breasts and breatsfeeding and she's getting something out of it--whether it's sexual or not--and she's using her kids to make sure she continues to get whatever that "thing" is. she's a sick bitch and it should be considered abuse. this is not normal behavior for kids and they are going to grow up feeling like they were the ones with problems when they realize how extremely abnormal this behavior was and have to keep this secret. and any times kids have to keep a secret, they feel guilt and shame. and it's sure as fuck not like telling your dorm roommate that you sucked your thumb til you were 7.

[OxyContinuously]

thank you Cherry^^^ you're one of the few in this thread that called it like it is...

a lot of people were justifying it with bullshit reasons, but you hit it: the woman is sick, and what she's doing to those girls is wrong

breastfeeding pre-adolescent girls is pedophilia

[longduckdong]

thank you Cherry^^^ you're one of the few in this thread that called it like it is...

a lot of people were justifying it with bullshit reasons, but you hit it: the woman is sick, and what she's doing to those girls is wrong

breastfeeding pre-adolescent girls is pedophilia

Im with you Oxy. Now I dont really think it is child abuse per se. But it is extremely fucked up, and extremely disturbing. Not to mention I think it'll probably have some negative affect on that kid's sociality too.

And back to the original topic. How can someone really even consider doing something that could possibly hurt their child? (I know I say it a million times). But fuck, I get so enraged when I hear a Mom saying things like: "I smoked weed when I was pregnant and the baby turned out fine". Sure, maybe the baby did turn out OK. But why in the world would you even risk it to begin with? Even if possible damage to a baby is 1,000,000th of a percent, why would any take that risk with their own child? Find me a presidential candidate who calls for criminalization for women/men who deliberately put their child in harm's way for their own enjoyment, and I'll vote for him/her.

[EleusisII]

And back to the original topic. How can someone really even consider doing something that could possibly hurt their child? Even if possible damage to a baby is 1,000,000th of a percent, why would any take that risk with their own child?

Sweet jesus tits, you remind me of that reverends wife from The Simpsons... Why don't ya cram a sock in it, and step down from the soapbox... Let me guess, you don't have kids yourself, do ya?

Save it for Oprah, bro... Contrary to what you might think, wringing your hands, and crying "The children! Wont anybody please think of the children!" isn't going to get you any pussy around these parts anyways...

[OxyContinuously]

Im with you Oxy. Now I dont really think it is child abuse per se. But it is extremely fucked up, and extremely disturbing. Not to mention I think it'll probably have some negative affect on that kid's sociality too.

And back to the original topic. How can someone really even consider doing something that could possibly hurt their child? (I know I say it a million times). But fuck, I get so enraged when I hear a Mom saying things like: "I smoked weed when I was pregnant and the baby turned out fine". Sure, maybe the baby did turn out OK. But why in the world would you even risk it to begin with? Even if possible damage to a baby is 1,000,000th of a percent, why would any take that risk with their own child? Find me a presidential candidate who calls for criminalization for women/men who deliberately put their child in harm's way for their own enjoyment, and I'll vote for him/her.

I agree LDD

basically when a lady is carrying a child, her body is no longer just hers,, and she should be humane enough to put the baby's needs first

i mean i think it's fuckin ridiculous that such a thing even needs to be verbalized--it should be understood that that's what you do when a baby is involved

anything else is at the least self-absorbed, and at the worst.... well we have examples "of the worst" on this very forum...majority of peeps here are great, BUT there are those few that are just hapless, hopeless, self-destructing, selfish, ignorant dopefiends---hey man, there's a few bad apps in every barrel

[longduckdong]

Sweet jesus tits, you remind me of that reverends wife from The Simpsons... Why don't ya cram a sock in it, and step down from the soapbox... Let me guess, you don't have kids yourself, do ya?

Save it for Oprah, bro... Contrary to what you might think, wringing your hands, and crying "The children! Wont anybody please think of the children!" isn't going to get you any pussy around these parts anyways...

Sweet jesus FUCK YOU.... And YES mother fucker, I do have kids. I have a one year old. And that's how I care so much about kids. Kids aint for everybody, and at one time, probably weren't for me, but once that daughter looks into your eyes, it changes a man. But I wouldnt expect you to know anything about that, because to have kids, you have to get pussy first.

And as for me trying to get pussy? I'm married to a chick who's hotter than anybody you've ever even had a chance to fucking beat off to, so I'd suggest if you know nothing about me, then you keep that stupid shit to yourself.

So obviously, every single point you tried to make got shot to hell, thanks for coming. Stop by my secretary on your way out and schedule an appointment for another whoopin'. THANK YOU COME AGAIN!

[nick]

Look,I find this behaviour frankly creepy,but it's NOT abuse and just because it doesn't fit in with our culture doesn't make it wrong.Other cultures are just as valid.

It is certainly different however.

[SHELLEY]

thank you for the responses
i haven't smoked weed for months now
and i wasn't really planning on it
as i said, i was just curious
but i like breastfeeding my girl more than i like smoking weed
so i'll just stay off the herb
unless i decide to keep nursing her until she's 7 or 8 years old :D:rolleyes:
in real life, i think i'm gonna nurse until she's about one...
that seems like a good age to yank the titty, no?

my kid is like, the least-abused kid in the world
i never even put that little brat down :D
all she knows is being held and hugged...

[longduckdong]

i never even put that little brat down :D
all she knows is being held and hugged...

Thats great to hear Shelley. All kids are special, but I swear there is something different about a little baby girl. It's something I can't describe.

[EleusisII]

And that's how I care so much about kids.

Violins playing in the background, the picture shows kids on a playground, laughing.
Voiceover continues...

Kids aint for everybody, and at one time, probably weren't for me, but once that daughter looks into your eyes, it changes a man.

The film of the children laughing fades to black, Oprah-thememusic comes on, audience claps enthusiastically, as the camera zooms in on Oprah, standing next to some average junkie...
Oprah: "That takes a real man to say that. A real man!"

Gimme a break!

So obviously, every single point you tried to make got shot to hell,

Oh boy... I had a feeling you'd be childish enough to think it's somekind of pissing contest...
It's not... My point was merely, mind your own fuckin business.. K Mrs Lovejoy?
Someone asked about breastfeeding and MJ, people want answers and facts.
They don't want your personal opinion, or some sappy crap about your daughters eyes (though I'm sure that shit goes over really well, with the next doe-eyed teen-mom to be that you're targeting), so again: Save it for Oprah.

No one cares about your feelings on parenting, or whatever soapbox you've built for yourself, to bitch and moan about: "The children, won't anybody think of the poor children!"

Mind your own business... Judge not and all of that. The more you start praching about what people should and shouldn't do with their children and their lives, the more hypocritical you probably get. You feed your children fastfood? Give them anything that isn't organic? Ah! You monster, you!
You use babyoil with parabens and other chemicals in them? The horror!
Do you live anywhere near a densely trafficked street? Got any idea of what those diesel-particles do to little lungs? Childmolester! Why, people like you should get mandatory jailtime! Why won't anyone think of THE CHILDREN!

[EleusisII]

Look,I find this behaviour frankly creepy,but it's NOT abuse and just because it doesn't fit in with our culture doesn't make it wrong.Other cultures are just as valid.


I found it more odd than creepy, but I completely agree that it's not childabuse...
You'd probably see something like this in many "primitive", for lack of a better word, cultures around the world. Places where people live like hunter-gatherers.
Hell, if you just go back a hundred years or so, you'd see children up to the age of four being breastfed in western countries.
That you only breastfeed when the child is an infant is a pretty new thing. Started when women had to join the workforce.

One thing it is most definetly not, is "pedophillia" in any sense of the word.
I think it's a little unsettling how fast people jump to that characterisation these days, especially in North America.
I let my boy run around butt-naked in the summertime, like most parents do in Scandinavia... Wonder how that would turn out in the US?

[bigNasty]

Violins playing in the background, the picture shows kids on a playground, laughing.
Voiceover continues...



The film of the children laughing fades to black, Oprah-thememusic comes on, audience claps enthusiastically, as the camera zooms in on Oprah, standing next to some average junkie...
Oprah: "That takes a real man to say that. A real man!"

Gimme a break!



Oh boy... I had a feeling you'd be childish enough to think it's somekind of pissing contest...
It's not... My point was merely, mind your own fuckin business.. K Mrs Lovejoy?
Someone asked about breastfeeding and MJ, people want answers and facts.
They don't want your personal opinion, or some sappy crap about your daughters eyes (though I'm sure that shit goes over really well, with the next doe-eyed teen-mom to be that you're targeting), so again: Save it for Oprah.

No one cares about your feelings on parenting, or whatever soapbox you've built for yourself, to bitch and moan about: "The children, won't anybody think of the poor children!"

Mind your own business... Judge not and all of that. The more you start praching about what people should and shouldn't do with their children and their lives, the more hypocritical you probably get. You feed your children fastfood? Give them anything that isn't organic? Ah! You monster, you!
You use babyoil with parabens and other chemicals in them? The horror!
Do you live anywhere near a densely trafficked street? Got any idea of what those diesel-particles do to little lungs? Childmolester! Why, people like you should get mandatory jailtime! Why won't anyone think of THE CHILDREN!
Look man, I REALLY don't wanna get in this shit BUT i think LDD meant why smoke weed and breastfeed when you could just feed the baby formula or not smoke weed for the good of the child. All the shit you mentioned is unavoidable stuff

[bigNasty]

I had a customer so i cut that last message short. I don't think LDD is sitting on a soapbox at all, he's just saying why INTENTIONALLY harm your baby? Even if MJ isn't THAT harmful for a baby, its still not in the kid's best interest/health to suck on a THC soaked tit from birth. And who knows, it might not be harmful at all but we don't know that...........And my money is on that it is harmful in some way

[ZodiacKiller]

I had a customer so i cut that last message short.

Did they want fries with their Whopper?

Lol, just messin' witcha...


ZK

[candy]

Shelly,
THC is passed into the breast milk
Nicotine does pass into the breast milk.
Smoking is now linked to SIDS- Sudden Infant Death Syndrome and increased respiratory/ear infections.

The best thing to do is not smoke inside the house at all. Of course I can't tell you what to do, only suggest, but your baby's health really depends on your own life-style.
I don't say this to pass any jugdement, only to help educate you and keep your little one safe.
If you are breast feeding, make sure not to take in any alcohol, sedatives, or anything that can make you drowsy because this will make baby drowsy too. Check with the pediatrician before taking any medication to make sure it will not affect the baby.
If you are not breast feeding then you can take any of your regular medication.

Being a new Mom can be overwhelming and your body is still adjusting to not being pregnant anymore. Your hormomes are out of whack and it is easy to become angry and agitated. Ask for help if you are feeling overwhelmed.
And remember, you can still get pregnant and many women do get pregnant right after having a baby. Even though you may not being having your normal period yet, you can still be making eggs. So, you are still fertile!

That little girl depends on you and as an addict, you need to be even more resiliant in keeping clean. Stress can just come creeping up on you with a new baby and it can get pretty overwhelming quickly. I am only speaking as a Mom of 2 boys and as an addict as well.

My suggestion is to just stay away from anything mind altering right now and concentrate on the baby!
I say this from one Mom to another, not to judge you!

Be well....Both of you!


I just wanted to add a comment as I read something you said in a post above....I am glad to hear that you are doing well as it sounds from your quote when you said, " All the baby knows is love and you are holding her all the time!" I may not have gotten the quote right on, but I am so glad to hear that you are doing good.

[bigNasty]

Did they want fries with their Whopper?

Lol, just messin' witcha...


ZK
NO!!! The fucker asked for cheese sticks knowing we hadn't carried them in years






JK, that was funny tho

[ZodiacKiller]

NO!!! The fucker asked for cheese sticks knowing we hadn't carried them in years






JK, that was funny tho


Lol, good one!!!


ZK

[EleusisII]

Look man, I REALLY don't wanna get in this shit BUT i think LDD meant why smoke weed and breastfeed when you could just feed the baby formula or not smoke weed for the good of the child.

I agree... Weed is def. something I would avoid while breastfeeding, there isn't exactly a consensus on it, but there's a good possiblity it might affect brain development. Thats pretty much what I wrote originally too.

That was before he came riding in on his high horse, threatening jailtime on mothers that smoke, and whatnot... And became whiny and bitchy about it when I told him to get off his little soapbox...

All the shit you mentioned is unavoidable stuff
Hell no... It's just a matter of convenience. If you really want to practice what you preach, move to Idaho and grow your childrens food yourself, or buy it unorganic at a farmers market. THAT would give him the right to be all high and mighty at other people, and what choices they make with their kids. Until then, he should STFU with belittling them and calling for criminilization.
You know the old saying about throwing stones while you live in a glass house, right?

We all want what's best for our kids. I believe in making information available for them, so they can choose for themselves, not criminalizing them. Remember that some people don't have the ressources that we have, to make an informed choice.


Besides, we're already a slippery slide towards taking away parents rights on a whole host of issues. And it always starts with some angry little dude on a soapbox, whining and monaing about the poor kids.

[rockbottom]

Lmfao.....

[losangeleslifer]

People can get pretty ballsy when they sit (or hide) behind the computer.

[candy]

People can get pretty ballsy when they sit (or hide) behind the computer.


True, People can get ballsy sitting behind a computer, but it is a subject matter that raises concern and many opinions.

I am glad to hear that Shelly is doing well and that Jasmyne is healthy and being taken care of so well. It sounds to me that Jasmyne is getting lots of love and care.

In saying that, I would imagine we have had a few new Mom's or Mom's to be that were not doing so well and as I said, it is a sticky subject matter.

My opinions come from being a parent and working in the NICU/Pediatrics a few years back and I have seen some real tragedies and I think we have another member who also works or has worked in Pediatrics/Newborns.
It can be difficult to stay un-biased and after time, you develop a tough exterior or else you would go crazy, but even then there are moments when one baby will steal your heart.

I think it is just that sort of topic that is going to bring about negative feelings/opinions.

[SeVeN]

.Other cultures are just as valid.

It is certainly different however.

No matter how gross.

[EleusisII]

Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm in 100% on the "Other cultures being just as valid"...
In some middle eastern cultures, they have the concept of "honor-killing" female relatives, that I don't quite agree with.
Surely there have been some cases of honor-killings among Pakistanis in the UK?

Anyways, as long as the issues are titty and lactation-related, I'm with Nick...

[losangeleslifer]

True, People can get ballsy sitting behind a computer, but it is a subject matter that raises concern and many opinions.

I absolutely agree.

[Cherry's Jubilee]

damn, when that self-righteous purple dinosaur is around he sure makes up for lost time...:p

this is a dinosaur that will not sit idly by and let another second of precious time slip past while perfectly insignificant people feel unnecessarily good about themselves when he can intervene and make a difference!

this is a dinosaur that gets results godammit.






haha--j/k...i actually missed you...but not as much as pandora...:party-smi

[Badly Drawn Girl]

And back to the original topic. How can someone really even consider doing something that could possibly hurt their child? (I know I say it a million times). But fuck, I get so enraged when I hear a Mom saying things like: "I smoked weed when I was pregnant and the baby turned out fine". Sure, maybe the baby did turn out OK. But why in the world would you even risk it to begin with? Even if possible damage to a baby is 1,000,000th of a percent, why would any take that risk with their own child?

I'm coming in late to this thread so I was going to just read and leave it be but I have to weigh in in regards to the above. For the record, I have two children. My first son was nursed 4 months, my second was nursed over 2 years. I would consider myself a member of the attachment parenting movement, co-sleeping, feeding on demand, gentle discipline, no immunizations... that sort of thing.

That being said every single day EVERYONE puts their child at risk. The above argument is purely ridiculous. Putting a child in a car is one of the most potentially risky things a parent can do and yet how many parents take that risk? Name a parent who always feeds their child the "BEST" food. Why would someone ever allow a child to eat a piece of candy? or a bag of chips? Where do you draw the line? At what point is it a reasonable risk?

I see this argument a lot in parenting circles, usually in regards to pregnancy and breastfeeding. But when you look at it from a broader perspective, it holds no water. Women who have NO problem slamming another mother because she had the occasional cigarette during pregnancy, or chose to use formula suddenly get all bent out of shape when asked why they don't feed their children 100% whole food/organic/vegan/healthy items. Or if they are asked to explain why they feel comfortable taking their child in the car although the risks are certainly WAYYY higher than THC in breast milk.

The bottom line, every single day we all weigh risks and make choices. When it comes to raising children not only do parents suddenly have to make all those decisions for another person, but the "rules" keep changing. I never set out to be the BEST mommy in the world. I didn't make every single decision based on what would be "BEST". I didn't buy the safest and most expensive car seat for example. Why would I take that risk? Because it was an acceptable risk for me. I didn't insist on healthy food for every meal. That was an acceptable risk for me. I stop immunizing my son because he was getting violently sick from his shots. That was NOT an acceptable risk for me. And I certainly don't expect anyone else to make those same decisions.

[Princess]

^^^^

Exceptional post sister! I share those same thoughts. I couldn't agree with you more.
It's so hard to say what's right or wrong, good or bad, etc. I mean, look, every year they change how your supposed to put your infant to sleep. I can't keep up with it anymore! I don't even remember how it was when my son was an infant. Is it stomach or back these days?? Good God, what about all those parents who fed their babies with plastic bottles! How dare they! Oh, wait, I did that... it was perfectly normal when my child was an infant. Thank God he's still alive, all the risks I took...

I think one thing people don't understand, unless they have been pregnant themselves, is that a pregnant mother doesn't FEEL a life inside of her until the baby starts moving. That is SEVERAL months. All I felt was sick to my stomach. Once I felt the first little flutter inside of my body, that is when my life changed.

[candy]

I just read your post and wanted to add that being a someone's Mommy is a gift. To give birth to life and then disregard that life makes me mad.
I don't care if someone smokes cigarettes, but why does your kid need to breath it in.
It's like seeing a young toddler with a bottle full of coke. Sure it tastes great, but it is the best thing? No, apple juice tastes just as good.

A couple of years ago, my neighbors daughter comes running over with her granddaughter in her arms blue and not breathing. I dislodged a huge tootsie roll out of a 13 month old's mouth. Not a small piece, but a huge piece and I even have a hard time chewing them. I am glad I was home that day.
That baby was yelled at, yanked by the arms all the time because her little legs didn't move fast enough, and she was always left to cry in her crib night after night.
Now, I know that sometimes toddler's want their own way, but I never let my babies cry. I loved looking down at them, smelling their hair and each moment I had to hold them was a blessing. They would not be babies for long.
I cherished each moment with my boys and if they wanted to stop and look at a flower or a bug or just some silly spot on the sidewalk, I let them. Because to see the wonder in their eyes and here them chatter was like music to me.
And to this day....I still cherish my kids and they are not toddlers, but when they have something to say, I stop what I am doing and listen because what if they were not there to hear any longer and I didn't have that young man to watch grow.
My kids have never seen me do drugs or seen anyone else in my home do any. I did smoke, but only outside. Why subject our kids to the shit we do? We shouldn't and I love watching a young mother or father with a new baby. It's the most precious part of life and myself and anyone else with kids should cherish them!