For Peeps in CA, yes on 5, no on 6?

[SurfRat]

In CA as usual, endless propositions.

Trying to figure them out.

5 will help ease up on sentences for drug offenses, therefore yes?

6 will enhance the prison industrial complex and provide automatic funding increases no matter how stupid a program it turns out to be, therefore no?


Am I reading these right.

Any comments on those two or other pertaining props...

[Boxcar]

im gonna answer, being in southern CA my whole life, now mind you i have NOT intensle read and sat down and studied this out like i will, but from what ive reaqad thus far. i will be voting YES on 5. and this kinda goes along with the thread about our rights. i know surf it might seem me and you dusagreed on that thread, but truth is i am on the same side as you. i just wanted to show the other side and how it DOES affect many people. but no. 5 is a no brainer.

actually i think im not gonna answer on numnber 6. imgonna go read up and see what the projected outcome is on both and be back and answer. but IMO anything that give lighter sentencing and leaner laws on drug offender i will always be on the side of.

might i ask surfrat, where do you live? i saw you grew up in gardena, are you still there?

[jonny-5]

you really cant trust the biased commercials they have that say vote yes or no on the commercials, but where does one go to actually read the propositions? im not going to choose until i read them, and i havent received a voter pamphlet yet so i dont know which way ill vote yet.

[Boxcar]

i do have my pamphlet in front of me, im about to read then answer and reanswer. johnny you can google the props and read the pros, cons and projected outlooks of both

[JonnyMohawk]

Prop 5:
hxxp://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_5_(2008)


Prop 6:
hxxp://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_Proposition_6_(2008)

I broke the links just as a precaution. (change the hxxp to http)


I don't live in California but it still interests me as a whole. Let me know what you decide.

[Duckfeet]

I haven't read'em yet: tho they sent me the ballots and pamphlets, and I changed back to nonpartisan, after my short flurry as a republican to vote for Ron Paul in primary...hell, I even put on long pants to vote, since I thought maybe I should look more conservative in voting booth ;)

I like to vote, study the issues, all that, since most my life I couldn't, out in the southlands, it'll be interesting...

[trotski]

No on Prop. 6

The police are the militant arm of a fascist state. We need to cut them down to size.

[Duckfeet]

Only thing I do know, and this is not to be personal, just a general libertarian thing, is that the public employee unions in California, are *very* powerful, and what w/gerrymandering, and people's general tendecy to vote their pocketbooks, etc., these same unions have pretty much ensured their own prosperity...Prison guards union is known as the strongest of all...

So what, you might ask?

So *any* issue on the ballot, I have to study seriously, now, no matter *how* it's written, to see who really profits...my own beloved San Diego has been teetering on the verge of total bankruptcy, our streets are in terrible shape, and yet people like my pals the lifeguards here, have pensions almost beyond belief, where they can *buy* years of "pretend" work, and and retire with few years on the job with incredible benefits and pensions for life....

I've tried several times to take different computer classes: webserver, A+, etc and the "free" jr college here, and the professors are almost beyond belief in their ignorance of the actual computer world, and yet they too, will retire nice and young, with nice pensions and total lifetime security....

Many wiser people than me have said, that once over 50 per cent of the people realize they can vote in people who will give them money--as in public employee unions--the democracy is doomed, as happend in my lifetime in Argentina in the sixties...

Don't believe me, check the salaries, medical benefits, and *actual* amount of time at work needed to retire in say, the New York Subway workers union, the prison guard union out here, etc...

So when I see bills like these, I always look for how the money will be *really* allocated, and sure, my sis is a teacher, my pals all hustle and hassle to get on w/the unions out here...but the trouble is, the counterbalance to unions in the real world is capatalism...the counterbalance to public employees natural greed is...what? Politicians??? hahahaaha...and people wonder how San Diego went bankrupt...

Obviously a Ron Paul guy, and I'll probably vote for Obama, just to see if it'll change anything, but when it comes to any of these bills, my natural instinct is just to vote "no" on all of them, unless they can *really* guarantee that the money won't go just to pay for someone elses cosy retirement cushion...