Sobriety Test or Trap

[chemboy7]

http://www.geocities.com/prohibition_us/BacFst.html (http://www.geocities.com/prohibition_us/BacFst.html)


I'm an extremely anxious person and cops scare the hell out of me. When ever I am in the prediciment where talking to one is a necessity I shake uncontrollably and find it difficult to speak (words get caught in my throat). I am always worried that they are going to think that I am crazy or worse, stoned, because of it. Thus I have been scouring the web and police issue college text and studying the proper way that sobriety test are done in an attempt, should I need it some day, to understand what they are looking for. What I found did not settle my nerves in the least. This link pretty well sums up the problem, the way I see it anyone who drives in the US needs to see this.

[marblehead]

My two uncles were cops, both retired, and they used to tell me that when they would pull someone over they would see how long it took the driver to get out his license. If it took over about 20 sec's they would immediatly get real suspicious. So always have your license together with your ins papers where you know where they are and make them accesable so you are not fumbeling around or cannot retreive them quickly.Also someone also told me (don't know if its true but I believe it) that they have flashlights with alcohol sniffers built right in so be suspicious if they shove the flashlight right in your face.

[antony]

Last week coming home from a concert, i got pulled over, had a suspened liscence, no insurance. big fucking trouble. had a few drinks, didnt think enough to get me drunk, but had a tummy full of pills, so that kinda numbed it i think.
anyway, i got arrested, and i did notice the alcohol on my breath, so i kept my mouth shut, kept to one word answers, and knew if i was getting arrested anyway, might as not through a dui on top of it.

[devilsdrug]

yep you and opiyum are one in the same or at least related

[caesee]

yep you and opiyum are one in the same or at least related

lol...

[antony]

yep you and opiyum are one in the same or at least related
godfucking dammit devil.

[chemboy7]

Also someone also told me (don't know if its true but I believe it) that they have flashlights with alcohol sniffers built right in so be suspicious if they shove the flashlight right in your face.

The instrament you are refering to is called a "P.O.S." I am uncertain what that stands for exactly, but yes, they are very real... and in use. They have actually been around for a number of years (something like 10-15) but they are only now becoming very popular, probably due to the continued drop in their prices. I am uncertain just how many officers actually have and use one (percentage-wise) but out of my 3 college police books there is a section outlining their use in the 2 newest ones (earliest book circa 2001).

[antony]

The instrament you are refering to is called a "P.O.S." I am uncertain what that stands for exactly, but yes, they are very real... and in use. They have actually been around for a number of years (something like 10-15) but they are only now becoming very popular, probably due to the continued drop in their prices. I am uncertain just how many officers actually have and use one (percentage-wise) but out of my 3 college police books there is a section outlining their use in the 2 newest ones (earliest book circa 2001).

if breathelizers are stuffed in your beak and you have to nearly cough up lung to get a reading, how the hell does these flashlights sniff alcohol. I can smell when someones been hanging out at a brewery a mile away, but that seems kinda far fetched.

I'll be happy to say im wrong when i see it, just kinda hard to believe.

[Kallie]

godfucking dammit devil.

DD is just busting your chops. He's o-phile's honorary bouncer... and watch out for his double-barrel!!!:p

[antony]

I know, im not one to take anything personal. especially through the internet.

[chemboy7]

if breathelizers are stuffed in your beak and you have to nearly cough up lung to get a reading, how the hell does these flashlights sniff alcohol. I can smell when someones been hanging out at a brewery a mile away, but that seems kinda far fetched.

I'll be happy to say im wrong when i see it, just kinda hard to believe.

Well believe it or not they are real and in use, I searched the web for a link and found squat... if you doubt me though, head to your nearest college campus and read it for yourself in police issue text (look under sobriety test). Yes, with a BAC, you are required to blow very hard as this test shows about how much alcohol you have in your lungs, and thus your bloodstream.... the POS flashlight only test for the presences of alc. not the amount so this is not required. :cool:

[antony]

Well believe it or not they are real and in use, I searched the web for a link and found squat... if you doubt me though, head to your nearest college campus and read it for yourself in police issue text (look under sobriety test). Yes, with a BAC, you are required to blow very hard as this test shows about how much alcohol you have in your lungs, and thus your bloodstream.... the POS flashlight only test for the presences of alc. not the amount so this is not required. :cool:


If its out there, its fucking good to know! but what does POS stand for in this case?
I wont bother going to look for it, but now I'll just hold my breath before i grab the flashlight and i beat the piss outta him:D

[Opiyum]

Passive Alcohol Sensors are hand-held analytical devices used by law enforcement
and other authorities to detect the presence of alcohol in the breath and air. For
purposes of this study, the following definition will be used:
Passive Alcohol Sensor (PAS) – Defined
--“Analytical device for the qualitative measure (presence or absence of alcohol,
but not a specific quantity) of:
1) Breath-containing air surrounding a person or persons, e.g. the
passenger compartment of a car – OR –
2) Ambient air about a micro-environment, e.g. the airspace immediately
above a suspected alcoholic beverage.”

Some devices are not readily identifiable by the driver as an alcohol-detecting device.
A model typically used by Wisconsin law enforcement agencies is the flashlight or baton-shaped passive alcohol sensor. Other forms include clipboard-like devices and
shapes that resemble small electronic devices.



http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:1uJroWd8Y2q6VM:www.3dmonth.org/images/pas.jpg http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Q7kYqDGf8XqY9M:www.sniffalcohol.com/images/madd.jpg http://www.sniffalcohol.com/images/PASIVsmall.jpg These are called "sniffers"


This is the main website...those flashlight go for sixhundred bucks...

http://www.sniffalcohol.com/main.htm

I couldnt find anything on POS but I think this is what yuos guys are talkin' 'bout.

[antony]

HOLY FUCK

GOOD JOB OPI!!



I was wrong, and I said it like i said i would.

[Opiyum]

yep you and opiyum are one in the same or at least related
I really feal like Im part of the family now. I feel so warm inside...maybe thats the Oxy and Ativan and maybe thats why my arm doesnt hurt today. I am postponing the inevitable.

I said fuck the immodium for now at least!:o

I try ANT I really do..doodoopoopooface(The Loraz said that part)

[Opiyum]

. The PAS is a good screening device, and is ideal for use at sobriety checkpoints and during regular patrols because it:
Helps police officers identify a higher proportion of drivers who have been driving drunk than they do without sensors.
Helps officers to quickly dismiss drivers who have not been drinking.
Does not interfere with privacy rights and its use is Constitutional--evaluating the ambient air around the driver does not constitute a search.:(

[Kallie]

. The PAS is a good screening device, and is ideal for use at sobriety checkpoints and during regular patrols because it:
Helps police officers identify a higher proportion of drivers who have been driving drunk than they do without sensors.
Helps officers to quickly dismiss drivers who have not been drinking.
Does not interfere with privacy rights and its use is Constitutional--evaluating the ambient air around the driver does not constitute a search.:(
Thanks, Opi... and glad to know the air around us is THEIRS, too, and doesn't violate our privacy rights. Jeez, but I like the idea of using their PAS's on the POS (Pieces of Shit). Good on ya, Ant (especially for following thru on the "I was mistaken" admission)!:D

[chemboy7]

Thanks opiyum, I looked all over and could not find a link to clear my name. See, I know what I speak of... and opi saved you a trip to the university. :D

[antony]

Thanks opiyum, I looked all over and could not find a link to clear my name. See, I know what I speak of... and opi saved you a trip to the university. :D

yea, going to school sucks

[poonwhalla]

I hope it will clear your name chem, however eventhough it does not constitute a search it will give cops to fabricate another reason for probable cause. That's just how most cops are. Worse then the machines they have is what they say they observed even if its a lie.

[chemboy7]

I hope it will clear your name chem, however eventhough it does not constitute a search it will give cops to fabricate another reason for probable cause. That's just how most cops are. Worse then the machines they have is what they say they observed even if its a lie.

Yeah, my dad used to be a cop... it don't change my veiws in the least, I fucking hate cops. I would never disown my child for any reason, because that is wrong, but I would much rather my child be a fag than a cop.

[chemboy7]

yea, going to school sucks

I actually enjoy my time at school, but then again I am studying to become a pharmacist... who wouldn't love learning about the pharmacological actions of drugs? :D

[antony]

I actually enjoy my time at school, but then again I am studying to become a pharmacist... who wouldn't love learning about the pharmacological actions of drugs? :D

Nah, I was kidding, I would love to get back in school, especially pharmacy school. Thats like going to work in fucking Fort Knox

[Curio]

http://www.geocities.com/prohibition_us/BacFst.html (http://www.geocities.com/prohibition_us/BacFst.html)


I'm an extremely anxious person and cops scare the hell out of me. When ever I am in the prediciment where talking to one is a necessity I shake uncontrollably and find it difficult to speak (words get caught in my throat). I am always worried that they are going to think that I am crazy or worse, stoned, because of it. Thus I have been scouring the web and police issue college text and studying the proper way that sobriety test are done in an attempt, should I need it some day, to understand what they are looking for. What I found did not settle my nerves in the least. This link pretty well sums up the problem, the way I see it anyone who drives in the US needs to see this.

At the risk of having people "stone" me for saying it :D ....I once upon a time played around with the notion of becoming a LEO...wait...hold that rock for sec....so that I could do homicide investigation and the like, perhaps some kind of CSI type field due to my fascination with serial killers, DNA and pathology as evidence, and the psychology behind the criminal pasts.

That said, I did learn a thing or two about how to get through 'cop stops' unscathed....and to tell the truth, I am at complete ease, no worries when I get pulled over at all....it's the people with me freaking out that irritate the shyte out of me the most out of these kinds of incidents...cause I just want to tell them to CHILL OUT and not make a big deal out of it or it DOES become a big deal.:cool:

You have to understand the mind set these guys are coming from. Cops are killed more often in traffic stops than any other time; so imagine you are a cop and this is in your head as you approach the vehicle! Yeah, adrenaline pumping and ready to NAIL anything that moves before it gets you.

My best advice from the horses arses themselves: Always make certain that you pull over in a reasonable amount of time, in an area relatively safe from traffic. Put the vehicle in park, turn off lights, put on emergency flashers, TURN OFF the ignition, put your hands on the steering wheel in plain view and KEEP them there, leave the keys in. Most importantly: do not lean over and/or reach for anything until the cop asks for it, and when you do move around, make it slowly, and make sure that you do not suddenly reach for a wallet without having been instructed to do so; he will assume you are reaching for a weapon.

It is best to have all your ducks in a row, so to speak, as far as your insurance, registration papers; they need to be within an easy reach of the driver.

I once got out of a DUI two blocks from my house...I FAILED the roadside sobriety test and everything...and NOT cause I'm a chick, either...just because of God's grace and what I have just posted up above being put into action...Kiss the lil LEO's butt, it won't hurt as much as jail or as near as much when you are bending over of your own free will, lol. Most of these guys have super thin fragile egos and self-esteem issues and it's the only way they feel good about themselves~ aside from beating on some arrestees when the camera's pointed the other way.:D

that is all....