the us postal service

[trotski]

a buddy of mine recently moved from the area and has no contacts where he lives...so today he called up SWIM and asked if he could send him drugs through the mail. just curious if anyone has any experience with sending pills through the mail? sketch or what? thanks.

[ZodiacKiller]

Please use the search function---there are about a million threads on this very topic, thanks.


ZK

[LorTabitha]

Just remember, foil is your friend. Always pack anything you're sending that's a little sketchy in foil to help you if an x-ray machine is used.

[HandsOnMyFaceOverbearing]

ive had pills sent through the mail with success. I just wouldnt put them in an envelope or something where they can be heard moving around. those little packages with the little bubblewrap inside works good. if they're the ones that are really sketched out then just have them not put a return address.

[jwalm]

domestic=no worries

[Indy]

^^Yep, i was just about to post that when i saw your post. If it's sent domestically, unless there's like, white powder coming out of it, they're not going to search it at all. If you don't know what we mean by domestic, it means from inside the US to inside the US, aka state-to-state. You'd have to try really hard to get a domestic package seized for drugs. I wouldn't worry about it.

Now once you start receiving stuff from other countries, customs gets involved and it's a whole 'nother ball game.

[porcelina]

i've heard of people sending pills through the mail, doing it on a regular basis, and not getting caught...yet...

if someone is confident enough to do that kind of thing, then go for it...nooo way i'd do it though, too many scary possible outcomes...i'd be way too paranoid...however, if someone is desperate enough to take that risk, best of luck to them...

[jonny-5]

my friend used to fed ex me balloons, what he would do is buy skittles and open them carefully and put the balloons in there and then glue the skittles shut and send them to me sometimes with a bday card or something. the card isnt necessary but it worked every time.

[poonwhalla]

domestic=no worries

Lets keep this talk to a minimum or the pigs will get more dogs

[upstate_007]

All I know is that I get giddy when I see a Priority Mail envelope.

[SurfRat]

Never.

It isn't legal to send stuff like that.

[Indy]

Never.

It isn't legal to send stuff like that.

hee hee.:p

[jwalm]

Lets keep this talk to a minimum or the pigs will get more dogs

fedex and ups are private corporations and the government has no involvement in their domestic shipping




im not to to familiar with USPS ( one of the federal gov owned businesses)

I've have had at least 100+ packages of scheduled drugs shipped internationally and never had a CBP seizure

[Hoss]

Only problems I have ever had is with straight up incoming international postal service coming into the US - customs "intercepted" a few shipments of mine. I have had choice interactions with some international courier companies, however, and opt to use them whenever choosing to embark on such a shipment, though it has been quite some time.

Case in point : domestic is breezy.

[blutuesday]

Get a little padded mailer with the bubble things on the inside and put a DVD in it.

Also, ppl tell me to use reg mail instead of fed ex or like dhl.

Bogus return address.

Good luck

[Consumed.]

youll find your biggest worry is to pack em so they dont get crushed into little pieces! They get all flung around and hammered so just pack em right

[alowishus]

Yeah, I remember when I thtread avout a online place was the shit, well the next day it was shut down for good, pissed off a lot od people that were using thte web site on a reg base,...


Can you dig what I'm saying; truthfully we are not P-A-R-A-noid enough.

But whayt can you do? nothing so do what you do and live how you live, try to be happy and when the bda times happen, remember they can't last for ever.

[blutuesday]

I hate waiting for the mail. Never sure when things might show up and or if it was indeed shipped when they said it was. Seems like for me the past 2 weeks are IDENTICAL. Being told that something was sent out on Friday, from 2 hours away, and expecting it on Saturday, since if you do it the other way it gets there in one day, but then freaking and having an underlying feeling that you kinda KNOW it wont make it until fucking monday. Yeah fun times!

[blutuesday]

GOD. (*$(@(#(@(#(@

Waiting............at least I saw that the package is only 30 mins from here and has left already from there. They have till 3 to get here. Who the fuck knows when they will get here. Probably at like 2:59.

ASSHOLES. People are always so nonchalant when it comes to other peoples money/shit.

It's 12:18 now. At least I know it is almost here, but this wait this time has TOTALLY sucked.

[ndoftaworld]

Damn blu, I know ur hurting for it to get there... I'll keep my fingers crossed, it's now 12:45 and... YOU SHALL RECEIVE BY 1 O'CLOCK!!!

I said it, so it has to be true, mmkay? ;)

Hope u get ur relief real soon, maybe the benzo fairy will stop by as well? Get a good nod, followed by some nice, relaxing, non-REM, blackout sleep... gotta love halcion :D

Stay well... L8er,

Nd

[pharmboy]

You do NOT want to use regular mail , as in Government mail as in The Feds

as in the ones that have postal inspectors that are on a par with the FBI.

NO. NO. NO. Use FedX or UPS. I think UPS would be best cuz of the

amount of mail, Fedx doesn't do as much as UPS and they cost more.

[blutuesday]

Damn blu, I know ur hurting for it to get there... I'll keep my fingers crossed, it's now 12:45 and... YOU SHALL RECEIVE BY 1 O'CLOCK!!!

I said it, so it has to be true, mmkay? ;)

Hope u get ur relief real soon, maybe the benzo fairy will stop by as well? Get a good nod, followed by some nice, relaxing, non-REM, blackout sleep... gotta love halcion :D

Stay well... L8er,

Nd


AWWW!!! THANKS. For some reason when opies keep their fingers crossed for me, things come true.



You do NOT want to use regular mail , as in Government mail as in The Feds

as in the ones that have postal inspectors that are on a par with the FBI.

NO. NO. NO. Use FedX or UPS. I think UPS would be best cuz of the

amount of mail, Fedx doesn't do as much as UPS and they cost more.


I have ALWAYS heard the direct opposite of this.

[ndoftaworld]

^^ What she said... yep. Um, wait... what were we talking about again? Shipping stuff, oh yeah... done it before, no problems - regular old USPS. Doesn't mean it is the safest route, but if done right, and the contents aren't obvious, shouldn't be a problem.

Hehe, I guess it goes w/o saying, but... make sure u put correct or + postage :o I have done that, right after increase, didn't add another stamp... got my package back a few days l8er... fucking boomerang benzo's I'm telling ya!

Nd

[blackdog]

Lets keep this talk to a minimum or the pigs will get more dogs

WOOF!!:p

[blutuesday]

^^ What she said... yep. Um, wait... what were we talking about again? Shipping stuff, oh yeah... done it before, no problems - regular old USPS. Doesn't mean it is the safest route, but if done right, and the contents aren't obvious, shouldn't be a problem.

Hehe, I guess it goes w/o saying, but... make sure u put correct or + postage :o I have done that, right after increase, didn't add another stamp... got my package back a few days l8er... fucking boomerang benzo's I'm telling ya!

Nd

LOL....boomerang benzos huh? Well, at least the didnt just get lost or eaten by some lucky mailman. Or a dog.

[defenestrate]

the USPS has a hell of a lot of traffic, especially in the regular post area. Do you think they are checking every package that goes domestically if they aren't even tracking it? The reason that the USPS is the only government agency that posts a profit is VOLUME.

CD cases/mailers are your friend. 'Nuff said.

[metric man]

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=167

this video is about a mayor or governor of a city who got a package in the mail filled with pot and when the package was brought inside they did a no knock raid. he had nothing to do with the pot or anything. he talks about it a few minutes in. i dont remember what or if he said if it was USPS, UPS, or FEDEX

[Indy]

Hate to say it, but tuesday was right. The USPS is the safest courier. For one, they need a warrant to open any domestic mail, unless there's powder or liquid leaking from it, or it's ticking or vibrating, etc. . Also, a while back the government started "cracking down" on couriers, and UPS and FedEx couldn't really do anything about it, whereas because the government relies on the USPS so much (profit-wise and otherwise), the USPS basically told them to fuck off.

[digby]

Hate to say it, but tuesday was right. The USPS is the safest courier. For one, they need a warrant to open any domestic mail, unless there's powder or liquid leaking from it, or it's ticking or vibrating, etc. . Also, a while back the government started "cracking down" on couriers, and UPS and FedEx couldn't really do anything about it, whereas because the government relies on the USPS so much (profit-wise and otherwise), the USPS basically told them to fuck off.

That's just not true Indy. Packages especially but letters also get opened routinely, not to mention X-ray. If they suspect items shipped under improper classification, ie letters or merchandise sent at book rate, they open those items up and often. When I worked at the Post Office, stuff got opened routinely all the time by the mucky mucks. A suspicious package/letter can take many forms and opened for many reasons. They can even open it up for no legal reason and just claim damage during shipping.

[Indy]

They can claim that, but it's breaking the rules. I'm sure it happens, but according to the rules, unless it qualifies as dangerous in some way, they can't just open it and search it. They can x-ray it, yeah, but that's pretty thin odds. also, we're talking DOMESTIC packages, as in, from Nevada to Arizona, or New York to Florida, not from Canada to Michigan, or Indonesia to Texas.

If they do open it without a warrant, there's a hole in that case wide enough to drive a truck through. Unless there was some verifiable powder, liquid, etc. then they aren't going to be able to convict you of anything, because as i'm sure you know, evidence gotten from a warrantless search, with a few exceptions (like what i said above) is inadmissible.

EDIT: the difference being, fed-ex and UPS have terms of service that basically say, "we reserve the right to open up whatever we want, tough shit".

OH, one more thing, feds can open mail without a warrant. That's recent i believe. Then again, if the feds wanna open something, they're gonna do it, since they're "above the law".

[Coddfish]

The usps is a quasi-government agency, which means they're kind of a unique business that, in a nutshell, can tell the world to fuck off. which they do from time to time. they have some pretty serious mojo.

second, it's hurting financially, ie. NOT making a profit. but these are both good things. when the government told letter carriers to search shit for drugs and shit, the usps told the government "go to hell, we don't have the money for that." they are, from what i undertsand, pretty serious about saftey (ie., don't send explosives), but i don't think they care about much else. billions of packages and stuff a day, and what, .0000001% might have illicit drugs?

[DreamSellerInc]

haha indy "unless there's like.. white powder coming out of it, they wont search it"

and i know that waiting game sucks, a junky friend of mine worked at the post office for a dozen years or more, so when he was waiting on a package, he'd be driving to all the post office's in a 10 mile radius to see if the package had arrived in his city. and just pick it up from there.

swim might know another swim who sends LBs of high quality mary jane. In 1 pound layers stacked on top of eachother up to 5 or ten pounds is mailed through FEDEX or UPS.

BUT, as far as sending a letter that weighs less than an ounce, containing say pills or powder for personal use, the USPS is just gonna flush it down the pipes and itll happen so fast, the mailman will be pullin off from your mailbox before the mailman that picked it up 500 miles away thinks there might be somethin in it. These are busy men we are talkin about here, more worried about pensions, maybe anthrax, than they are about junky correspondence

[rosebud]

These are busy men we are talkin about here, more worried about pensions, maybe anthrax, than they are about junky correspondence

So maybe while all those busy men are busily worrying about pensions and terroists, the wimmen folks are just laaaaaazily sitting around randomly grabbing and opening interesting looking packages just for entertainment and to screw with the junkies. Ya'all know how us wimmen can be..........;)

[DreamSellerInc]

Um. I think you know that wasnt a sexist comment. and "busy men" when referring to the USPS is kind of a joke anyway.

Besides, I didn't have to say it. Everyone knows yall wimmen folk are for birthin and cleanin

[rosebud]

Um. I think you know that wasnt a sexist comment. and "busy men" when referring to the USPS is kind of a joke anyway.

Besides, I didn't have to say it. Everyone knows yall wimmen folk are for birthin and cleanin


Uh yeah, I could tell you was juzz joken and I was joken back. I guess I forgot to raise my hand-sometimes thats the only way peeps get that I am just funnen wit ya'all.

Now as for that birthin and cleanin remark.......Most wimmen I know could clean your birth right off the planet with one hand tied behind their back while cooken dinner, payen on-line bills, talken to their sis on the phone, listening to their DH whine about his day and running for public office all at the same time!

Any questions? I dinant think so! ;)<-------no icon for opi raising hand to denote "joke" so I have made an executive decision and substituted with the well known, well loved, world famous icon "WINKY".

[rosebud]

Oh and also-too, on the topic. SWIM has mailed plenty of things via USPS with no problems at all. SWIM has also used Fed Ex but never the boys in brown.

Swim said he wouldnt rec just putting them in an envelope-too easily torn and broken open. Sometimes SWIM has sent them in a prescription bottle with the other persons name on it for the same thing or similar (takes some planning ahead) with a note saying something along the lines of "yup, they were right where you thought you left them. Hope you had some extras at home to get you by until now" or something of that type. Probably way overkill but you know, better to over kill something than to....under kill it, is SWIM right people?

SWIM always uses a padded envelope/little bit of bubble wrap and stuffs kleenex into the bottle or whatever to make sure it doesnt sound like a mini pharm in there if somebody shakes it.

Just....SWIM'S 2C!

[duck]

don't sweat it unless it's leaking powder, some sort of corrosive liquid or ticking....you will be fine....trust me. Also you may abstain if you are a likely government target, but with all the noobs around here that shouldn't be a problem. JK> :)

[Indy]

Swim said he wouldnt rec just putting them in an envelope-too easily torn and broken open. Sometimes SWIM has sent them in a prescription bottle with the other persons name on it for the same thing or similar (takes some planning ahead) with a note saying something along the lines of "yup, they were right where you thought you left them. Hope you had some extras at home to get you by until now" or something of that type. Probably way overkill but you know, better to over kill something than to....under kill it, is SWIM right people?


Just....SWIM'S 2C!

Not a bad idea, sort of hiding in plain sight, or making it look like you're not really trying to hide it at all.

[dugwylor]

I've had reports of two friends getting busted for sending through USPS. Both cases, didn't give their proper address, both cases they were tracked down. One just got a letter sent saying, "Don't do that." The other was arrested, spent a night in jail, and is fighting it in court over the next few days.

Of course, neither did too thorough a job of covering things up... but it can happen. I think in the past few years with the Bush Gestapo policies in response to the War on Scariness, some legislation has made "suspicious" packages a lot more likely to be opened.

Considering this, I don't care what people say ... I'd take my chances with UPS or FedEx....

There's also the bit where if you do get caught with USPS, I'm pretty sure it's a lot more serious than sending through a private carrier.

[rosebud]

I've had reports of two friends getting busted for sending through USPS. Both cases, didn't give their proper address, both cases they were tracked down. One just got a letter sent saying, "Don't do that." The other was arrested, spent a night in jail, and is fighting it in court over the next few days.

Of course, neither did too thorough a job of covering things up... but it can happen. I think in the past few years with the Bush Gestapo policies in response to the War on Scariness, some legislation has made "suspicious" packages a lot more likely to be opened.

Considering this, I don't care what people say ... I'd take my chances with UPS or FedEx....

There's also the bit where if you do get caught with USPS, I'm pretty sure it's a lot more serious than sending through a private carrier.

I dont think there is a difference at all. If you are sending it through the mail, and it is illegal, doesnt matter if you have the Pope hand carry it for you part of the way-the crime is the crime. They will bust you on the same charges. I have never heard of them adding any charges because it is USPS versus UPS.

[OverDriven]

That's just not true Indy. Packages especially but letters also get opened routinely, not to mention X-ray. If they suspect items shipped under improper classification, ie letters or merchandise sent at book rate, they open those items up and often. When I worked at the Post Office, stuff got opened routinely all the time by the mucky mucks. A suspicious package/letter can take many forms and opened for many reasons. They can even open it up for no legal reason and just claim damage during shipping.

Indy is correct though...if they didn't have a search warrant when they searched the package, it will be thrown out in court.

[SeVeN]

Indy is correct though...if they didn't have a search warrant when they searched the package, it will be thrown out in court.

I work for a shipping company and as long as its within the country I'd say the biggest risk is sending it in a package that might bust open when being sorted. Beyond that I wouldn't worry too much.

[OverDriven]

I work for a shipping company and as long as its within the country I'd say the biggest risk is sending it in a package that might bust open when being sorted. Beyond that I wouldn't worry too much.


Yeah...I used to get pods from this person that would package them in such a way that tons of the little seeds would leak out of the box. Freaked me right the fuck out when I got the package.

[SeVeN]

Yeah...I used to get pods from this person that would package them in such a way that tons of the little seeds would leak out of the box. Freaked me right the fuck out when I got the package.

Haha. Yeh I bet. I know people mail drugs all the time, I'm just waiting for the day that it busts open in front of me!

[Indy]

I dont think there is a difference at all. If you are sending it through the mail, and it is illegal, doesnt matter if you have the Pope hand carry it for you part of the way-the crime is the crime. They will bust you on the same charges. I have never heard of them adding any charges because it is USPS versus UPS.

It doesn't add a separate charge i don't think, but any crime committed through mail becomes a felony.

[nodrover]

I didn't really take the time to read through this thread, because i'm almost late for work. But, I had a bad experience with the postal service i thought i should share. In the past, I religiously ordered multiple cartons of cigarettes from an overseas vendor every month, and I didn't have any problems for 2 years+. One order though (4 cartons) was seized by the USPS when it hit the united states in Jamacia, N.Y. (I saw it on the online tracker thing). A few months later, I received a letter stating that I must pay XXX in back taxes. Be careful guys!

[ndoftaworld]

don't sweat it unless it's leaking powder, some sort of corrosive liquid or ticking....you will be fine....trust me. Also you may abstain if you are a likely government target, but with all the noobs around here that shouldn't be a problem. JK> :)

"Throwers don't care about ticking, modern bombs don't tick. But if it vibrates... nine times outta ten, it's an electric razor, but every once in awhile... it's a dildo.

Of course, in the event of a dildo, we must never imply ownership. We use the indefinite article - A Dildo, never Your dildo..."

Rep points for anyone who knows what's that's off of... ;)

Nd

[Dirt McGirt]

"Throwers don't care about ticking, modern bombs don't tick. But if it vibrates... nine times outta ten, it's an electric razor, but every once in awhile... it's a dildo.

Of course, in the event of a dildo, we must never imply ownership. We use the indefinite article - A Dildo, never Your dildo..."

Rep points for anyone who knows what's that's off of... ;)

Nd

"If you could fight any celebrity, who would you fight? Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner."

My gf loves that movie. Probably all the shirtless, sweaty men.:p

[ndoftaworld]

"If you could fight any celebrity, who would you fight? Shatner. I'd fight William Shatner."

My gf loves that movie. Probably all the shirtless, sweaty men.:p

"If our fathers' were our models for God, and our fathers' failed, what does that say about God? ... We are God's unwanted children... in all probability, God hates us."

As ficticious as that movie was, it did have a lot of useful/truthful tidbits of info :)

Nd

[Shadowsblaze]

I used to work for UPS In Edison NJ when I was going to college and crap came out of one triuck and into another and everthing was so open it would be difficult to grab packages and no where to hide it, but this post is about the airport personal.

A couple friends from the neighborhood worked at Ft. Lauderdale Airport and were always grabing stuff until they screwed up big time. One of the guys gives me a pill bottle of cocaineing and asks what'll you give me for it. I said man that looks good and he tells me its pure and this stuff was glowing in the sunlight all crystaline and I tell him I can't afford that.He says I can, how much money can you get.I tell I only got a hundred he says give me it.

It was a big bottle over an ounce. He opens the lid puts a staw in takes two hits that went up his nose in chunks gives me the bottle and takes off. I couldn't believe this and it was the last time I saw him, his mom moved a couple months later. So were hanging and one of the guys takes off running behind the house anf these Colombians ask if we no this guy and the guy that left town and we say yea but haven't seen them. They say they just want there shit back and nothin is gonna happen to them.

It turned out going through luggage they found two kilo's of coke and took it. The columbian's went to airport security and claimed the guys wife had a Diamond ring stolen and I'm not sure how but they found out who was working that flight. I don't know what became of either of these jokers but they quit working the airport or were fired. I had a good month or two. Actually the whole neighborhood did everybody brought some but I got the best deal as far as I knew and because it was some hot shit I told my buddies I only brought a couple grams.

[rosebud]

"Throwers don't care about ticking, modern bombs don't tick. But if it vibrates... nine times outta ten, it's an electric razor, but every once in awhile... it's a dildo.

Of course, in the event of a dildo, we must never imply ownership. We use the indefinite article - A Dildo, never Your dildo..."

Rep points for anyone who knows what's that's off of... ;)

Nd

LOL-one of the best scenes in Fight Club- EN n the baggage handler.....:D

[RoxiGuy]

Indy is correct though...if they didn't have a search warrant when they searched the package, it will be thrown out in court.

Possibly, but when you have to go into court for a charge of receiving/sending narcotics through the mail, you're credability is knocked down to nil. Plus the postal people tend to be viewed as "the all good people". All they have to say is that the parcel got entangled in a sorting machine and the envelope or whatever ripped in the jam. Then when they cleared the jam they were going to try and repair/repack the parcel and that's when they discovered the illegal substance.

It doesn't add a separate charge i don't think, but any crime committed through mail becomes a felony.

Anything illegal transferred through the mail, weather through USPS, UPS, DHL or FedEx will fall into the interstate trafficing of narcotics which falls under the federal criminal guidelines.

I used to work for UPS In Edison NJ when I was going to college and crap came out of one triuck and into another and everthing was so open it would be difficult to grab packages and no where to hide it, but this post is about the airport personal.

A couple friends from the neighborhood worked at Ft. Lauderdale Airport and were always grabing stuff until they screwed up big time. One of the guys gives me a pill bottle of cocaineing and asks what'll you give me for it. I said man that looks good and he tells me its pure and this stuff was glowing in the sunlight all crystaline and I tell him I can't afford that.He says I can, how much money can you get.I tell I only got a hundred he says give me it.

It was a big bottle over an ounce. He opens the lid puts a staw in takes two hits that went up his nose in chunks gives me the bottle and takes off. I couldn't believe this and it was the last time I saw him, his mom moved a couple months later. So were hanging and one of the guys takes off running behind the house anf these Colombians ask if we no this guy and the guy that left town and we say yea but haven't seen them. They say they just want there shit back and nothin is gonna happen to them.

It turned out going through luggage they found two kilo's of coke and took it. The columbian's went to airport security and claimed the guys wife had a Diamond ring stolen and I'm not sure how but they found out who was working that flight. I don't know what became of either of these jokers but they quit working the airport or were fired. I had a good month or two. Actually the whole neighborhood did everybody brought some but I got the best deal as far as I knew and because it was some hot shit I told my buddies I only brought a couple grams.

A lot of traffickers have been usng Ft Lauderdle for importing. The thing is that FLL (Fort Lauderdale) has always been more of a small limited flight airport up until a few years back. They have experienced tremendous growth and are now getting to be on the level of Miami's airport which is a massive one. Plus FLL has more direct flights to the Caribbean than any other S. FL airport right now and the Bahamas and all the other small islands in the Caribbean are major transfer points for the cartels. I learned all of this from a family member of mine who was a Dade County (Miami) Sheriff for 25 years through the heyday of what you would see in Scarface, and basically the time when Miami started to become the coke capitol of the US. When he retired he went into private investigations and he does subcontracted work for about every 3 letter agency in the US. FBI, CIA, ATF etc. He has been in that field for over 20 years too. He lives 75% of his life in Columbia and when he arrives there he has 4 fully armored cars and 5 heavily armed bodyguards waiting on him. This is just for the ride to the hotel. He is very quiet about what he does and I learn much of it from his brother, my dad. But my uncle deals with some of the biggest drug lords out there. I know at one point he was working a case that involved the FBIs #2 most wanted fugitive. The only person above him at the time was Bin Laden. The guy was wanted for over 100 murders and importing multiple tons of cocaine into the US on a monthly basis. It took my uncle around 2 years to complete the case but the guy is locked safely away in a US Federal jail now.

It cracks me up when I watch the show "Locked Up Abroad" on History channel or Nat Geo, one of the educational channels and you see these ordinary people paid to be mules and how confident they are. Some may have gotten by by sheer luck and government corruption but it's so heavily watched your chances of making it a career are slim to none. Plus the cartels don't give a shit about some gringo getting busted with a few keys. They have a few tons siting there waiting on the next fool trying to make a quick buck. That show is awesome though.