FEELIN YOUR DOSE

[SneefOXYs]

I don't know if I'm crazy or what, but I just haven't been satisfied with my dose. About 1 1/2 months ago I was at 70 mg, and I got around to finally tellin my counsler this wasn't workin and I need to go up. Well the doc. at my spot is hella uptight, so he only shoots people up 5 mg at a time. Even though when I did my intake I coulda swore they shot me from 40 mg up to 65 mg in a 3 day period, but that's another story.

Anyhow in about a months period they shot me up 20 mg, about 5 mg a week, and I'm not really feelin much difference from 90 mg then I was 70 mg. Now I'm thinkin it's because they keep raisin me at these small 5 mg increments every 7 days. So by the next time they raise it, my body has already gotten tolerant to the small 5 mg increase from the previous week. I almost feel like it's a waste to keep raising me like this, but then again maybe methadone is different from the other opiates, as to you don't become tolerant as fast..?..? I've brought it to their attention and explained this, but they said all the doc. can do is 5 mg increases at a time, and it's the same for everyone else supposedly.

At the same time I'm worried if they keep puttin me up this 5 mg a week shiiet, I'm gonna end up at a higher dose then I want to be. I was hopin 90 would work out perfect, but I'm still not satisfied. Hopefully I can hit 100 and that's it, because I definately don't want to be higher than that for sure.

[Poppylvr]

I don't know if I'm crazy or what, but I just haven't been satisfied with my dose.
When you say you're not satisfied, what do you mean? Are you looking for a high? Or are you still in WD's at the lower dose?

[roxi*stardust]

When you say you're not satisfied, what do you mean? Are you looking for a high? Or are you still in WD's at the lower dose?


That's the key! You shouldn't "feel" you dose, in other words it's not meant to make you high. It's meant to keep you well and stable. Now if you're not well that's one thing but trust me there's no great high with Methadone, you're chasing a ghost.

[Raz]

best you can hope for is a reductions in your cravings.....And a sympton of more methadone than ya need is a desire to smoke way too much, cigs/weed...

If your not clucking on a lower dose, stay where you are man...Your only digging a deeper hole goin up unecessarily................

[Badly Drawn Girl]

I'm a bit confused I guess. Your title saying feeling your dose so that leads me to believe that you are trying to reach a point where you do indeed feel it. But the whole point of methadone is that you don't feel your dose, except in the very beginning. So if you are looking for a feeling, you are in the wrong situation.

Now if your dose isn't holding you 24 hours, or you are experiencing wd symtoms, that's another story. I get bumped up 10 mgs at a time, and it doesn't make a big difference. My gripe is that my dose wears off about 18 hours in, so my nights are miserable. I don't think it will make a lick of difference how high I go with my dose, because my body is burning through the stuff too quickly. It isn't that the dose is wrong. I need to split dose. When I have my one take home a week, I'm able to do that, and I'm in much better shape. But I have a freaky fast metabolism, so I assumed I would have this problem.

[SneefOXYs]

Obviously I know you're not suppose to be noddin out with methadone, but that's my point it don't feel like it last 24 hours. I've noticed if I split my doses on my own it seems to work better for me, obviously I can do that because I get 6 take homes a week.

Anyhow I know 'done can only get you so lifted, cuze to be honest when you're talkin about a high 50 mg and 90 mg makes me feel no different. One week they fucked up can gave me 53 mg when I was suppose to be on 75 mg, and during the day I felt no different. Just the mornings I was hurtin real bad. Come that Monday morning I was hurtin bad, I felt like I had W/Ds from back when I was still doin OCs. I hadn't felt that bad since '06, haha.

But I'm weary to go up anymore cuze I thought 90 mg would be perfect, it's actually a lil higher then I was thinkin about, but fack it. I just don't want to wake up in the morning and feel like I gotta rush over and do my thang. Cuze whenever I double dose it ain't like that, and I wake up feelin lovely. Obviously double dose is a once in a while thang, but ya.

I'm a bit confused I guess. Your title saying feeling your dose so that leads me to believe that you are trying to reach a point where you do indeed feel it. But the whole point of methadone is that you don't feel your dose, except in the very beginning. So if you are looking for a feeling, you are in the wrong situation.

Now if your dose isn't holding you 24 hours, or you are experiencing wd symtoms, that's another story. I get bumped up 10 mgs at a time, and it doesn't make a big difference. My gripe is that my dose wears off about 18 hours in, so my nights are miserable. I don't think it will make a lick of difference how high I go with my dose, because my body is burning through the stuff too quickly. It isn't that the dose is wrong. I need to split dose. When I have my one take home a week, I'm able to do that, and I'm in much better shape. But I have a freaky fast metabolism, so I assumed I would have this problem.

I feel what you're sayin 100%. I got a pretty fast metabolism too, and they ain't tryin to hear that shiet. I mean obviously I can split dose myself with my take homes, but I gotta hassle with measuring all the shit out myself. And they put water in it, so I gotta add a certain amount of water to even it out, and it's annoying to deal with sometimes. Oh yeah and they said if they find out I'm split dosing myself I can be kicked out, hahaha.

[Voyager]

Hehe, my boy, welcome to the club.
Methadone is one really strong opioid, but it has a scar.
It's the same with everybody. I was going from 60mg to 100mg with no difference.
So I realised the trick and I'm now just satisfied with my 87mg dose.

The thing with Methadone is that it doesn't give you that warm euphoria so much as the other opioids like Morphine, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Hydrocodone, Oxymorphone, etc..
It gives you some euphoria actually, but it only lasts for a couple of hours after you take it.
Then, after those couple of hours, you just get used to the feeling, and there is no euphoria nor warm opioid feeling anymore.
That's why mainly a lot of people can't do well on Methadone and must be switched to either Heroin, Hydromorphone, Morphine or Hydrocodone here in Europe.

For me, after a few months, Methadone really just kept me out of the withdrawals and only partially satisfied me.
And beside that, I got some really nasty side effects from it, like a constant depression, fatigue, demotivation, and the worst of all, excessive eyelids closing. But it's not that eyelids closing like when you nod off, I don't go into a nod, I'm perfectly normal, and walking down the street for example, and my eyelids are closing so much that I cannot see where I'm walking. I couldn't do anything, couldn't drive, study, etc..

And that was the point when I had to be switched to another opioid. But since in my country Serbia there wasn't any other opioid then for me to get switched to, I had to think about an alternative.
That's the point when I asked my doctor to prescribe me 36mg of Concerta. And he did. And Concerta took away most of those terrible side effects, and beside that, gave me a lot more euphoria.
So, after I take my daily dose of 87mg of Methadone and 36mg of Concerta, I feel really good during the next 5 hours or so. I feel the high. But then my body just gets used to that, and I don't feel anything til the end of the day.
But now my country got a new opioid, 24h OROS preparation of Hydromorphone, and I'll soon be switched to it, and won't have to take that Concerta anymore (I don't like stimulants), and I will finally again feel that warmth and that wonderfull opioid buzz.
Because Methadone is just not working for a lot of people, including me, and as far as I can see, you, as well.

Sometimes in the evening, even beside Concerta and Methadone combo, I get so mad, that I go out and buy heroin and bang it, but in my town heroin is pretty bad, and it has to be really strong heroin if you want to feel any effects from it after you took 87mg of Methadone. And I bang that heroin in desperation, but I don't feel anything, and I realise I just wasted 20 bucks.
So I don't do that anymore. Every time I get that mad, and when I'm sick of not getting my opoid euphoria and my Opiophile psyche satisfied, I just ask my mother to give me more 20mg of Methadone, and I feel some of that high, at least it satisfies me in some way and I remain calm.
But that's all bullshit.

I'll soon get Hydromorphone, and then I'll start living a normal life. I'll again feel that warm opioid buzz and everything.

So, that's what I'm trying to tell you boy. Methadone is just not so euphoric, yet it's strong. And no matter how much of it you take, in a few days you'll get used to that dose, and you'll feel nothing. It will be the same either yer on 60mg or 100mg of Methadone.
Methadone is just that kind of opioid...disgrace among opioids.

The same and even worse story goes for Subutex (Buprenorphine). It's 25 times more potent than Methadone, and it doesn't give you ANy high at all. Not even that little high you get from Methadone.
Buprenorphine is one invalid among the opioids, a scarred opioid, like Methadone, and even worse.
It did nothing for me, nothing !

For all those reasons, we in Europe are starting to have Heroin, Hydromorphone, Hydrocodone, Morphine, etc.. as a substitutes in the opioid maintenance treatment.
You first start with Methadone, and more motivated people that really wanna get off, instead of just be maintained, are starting with Subutex.
And then, if yer not doing well with Methadone, you'll get something else.
Europe, Australia and Canada started realising that Methadone really doesn't work for a lot of people.
When they did a pilot study with Methadone and Hydromorphone, they discovered that Hydromorphone is way more effective as a substitute for the maintenance and far more easier for the organism than Methadone. They gave 80mg of Methadone a day to one group of 30 addicts, and 64mg of Hydromorphone to another group of 30 addicts. Those 30 addicts who were on 80mg of Methadone done really bad. They done heroin, benzodiazepines, alcohol, etc. on top of that Methadone dose and a lot of them reported depression, fatigue, etc., while the addicts maintained with Hydromorphone just mostly remained free of any other drugs, and reported much higher quality of life.

That's the reason why the Polimeric Hydromorphone Implant is being developed in the USA right now, for the maintenance of opioid addicts. In a year or so we'll have that Hydromorphone implant available, and the opioid substitution maintenance therapy will get a whole new dimension.

But till then, just sqeeze yer teeth and remain calm with what you've got - Methadone.
And if ye start feeling depressed and fucked up, ask yer doc to prescribe you Ritalin or Concerta, it is really a saviour.

That's all, I wish you luck boy, and just stay cool, and don't rise yer Methadone dose, there is no point in doing so.

All The Best !

[SneefOXYs]

Hehe, my boy, welcome to the club.
Methadone is one really strong opioid, but it has a scar.
It's the same with everybody. I was going from 60mg to 100mg with no difference.
So I realised the trick and I'm now just satisfied with my 87mg dose.

The thing with Methadone is that it doesn't give you that warm euphoria so much as the other opioids like Morphine, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Hydrocodone, Oxymorphone, etc..
It gives you some euphoria actually, but it only lasts for a couple of hours after you take it.
Then, after those couple of hours, you just get used to the feeling, and there is no euphoria nor warm opioid feeling anymore.
That's why mainly a lot of people can't do well on Methadone and must be switched to either Heroin, Hydromorphone, Morphine or Hydrocodone here in Europe.

For me, after a few months, Methadone really just kept me out of the withdrawals and only partially satisfied me.
And beside that, I got some really nasty side effects from it, like a constant depression, fatigue, demotivation, and the worst of all, excessive eyelids closing. But it's not that eyelids closing like when you nod off, I don't go into a nod, I'm perfectly normal, and walking down the street for example, and my eyelids are closing so much that I cannot see where I'm walking. I couldn't do anything, couldn't drive, study, etc..

And that was the point when I had to be switched to another opioid. But since in my country Serbia there wasn't any other opioid then for me to get switched to, I had to think about an alternative.
That's the point when I asked my doctor to prescribe me 36mg of Concerta. And he did. And Concerta took away most of those terrible side effects, and beside that, gave me a lot more euphoria.
So, after I take my daily dose of 87mg of Methadone and 36mg of Concerta, I feel really good during the next 5 hours or so. I feel the high. But then my body just gets used to that, and I don't feel anything til the end of the day.
But now my country got a new opioid, 24h OROS preparation of Hydromorphone, and I'll soon be switched to it, and won't have to take that Concerta anymore (I don't like stimulants), and I will finally again feel that warmth and that wonderfull opioid buzz.
Because Methadone is just not working for a lot of people, including me, and as far as I can see, you, as well.

Sometimes in the evening, even beside Concerta and Methadone combo, I get so mad, that I go out and buy heroin and bang it, but in my town heroin is pretty bad, and it has to be really strong heroin if you want to feel any effects from it after you took 87mg of Methadone. And I bang that heroin in desperation, but I don't feel anything, and I realise I just wasted 20 bucks.
So I don't do that anymore. Every time I get that mad, and when I'm sick of not getting my opoid euphoria and my Opiophile psyche satisfied, I just ask my mother to give me more 20mg of Methadone, and I feel some of that high, at least it satisfies me in some way and I remain calm.
But that's all bullshit.

I'll soon get Hydromorphone, and then I'll start living a normal life. I'll again feel that warm opioid buzz and everything.

So, that's what I'm trying to tell you boy. Methadone is just not so euphoric, yet it's strong. And no matter how much of it you take, in a few days you'll get used to that dose, and you'll feel nothing. It will be the same either yer on 60mg or 100mg of Methadone.
Methadone is just that kind of opioid...disgrace among opioids.

The same and even worse story goes for Subutex (Buprenorphine). It's 25 times more potent than Methadone, and it doesn't give you ANy high at all. Not even that little high you get from Methadone.
Buprenorphine is one invalid among the opioids, a scarred opioid, like Methadone, and even worse.
It did nothing for me, nothing !

For all those reasons, we in Europe are starting to have Heroin, Hydromorphone, Hydrocodone, Morphine, etc.. as a substitutes in the opioid maintenance treatment.
You first start with Methadone, and more motivated people that really wanna get off, instead of just be maintained, are starting with Subutex.
And then, if yer not doing well with Methadone, you'll get something else.
Europe, Australia and Canada started realising that Methadone really doesn't work for a lot of people.
When they did a pilot study with Methadone and Hydromorphone, they discovered that Hydromorphone is way more effective as a substitute for the maintenance and far more easier for the organism than Methadone. They gave 80mg of Methadone a day to one group of 30 addicts, and 64mg of Hydromorphone to another group of 30 addicts. Those 30 addicts who were on 80mg of Methadone done really bad. They done heroin, benzodiazepines, alcohol, etc. on top of that Methadone dose and a lot of them reported depression, fatigue, etc., while the addicts maintained with Hydromorphone just mostly remained free of any other drugs, and reported much higher quality of life.

That's the reason why the Polimeric Hydromorphone Implant is being developed in the USA right now, for the maintenance of opioid addicts. In a year or so we'll have that Hydromorphone implant available, and the opioid substitution maintenance therapy will get a whole new dimension.

But till then, just sqeeze yer teeth and remain calm with what you've got - Methadone.
And if ye start feeling depressed and fucked up, ask yer doc to prescribe you Ritalin or Concerta, it is really a saviour.

That's all, I wish you luck boy, and just stay cool, and don't rise yer Methadone dose, there is no point in doing so.

All The Best !

Yeah I've read about that Polymeric Hydromorphone Implant, and heard it's being tested and developed in the US right now, but how exactly do you take it? Don't tell me it's something they surgically implant in you. Might sound like a dumb question, but I have no clue. I even searched the web and found a lil info. But they don't exactly describe how you take it or what it is. It just says with Polymeric Hydromorphone Implant you don't have to worry about traveling around the world and all the drug restrictions. So I'm a lil lost. Sounds interesting though, and possibly a better alternative to 'done.

[Narkotikon]

That's the key! You shouldn't "feel" you dose, in other words it's not meant to make you high. It's meant to keep you well and stable. Now if you're not well that's one thing but trust me there's no great high with Methadone, you're chasing a ghost.

Exactly!

MMT is meant to make you "normal." In other words, you should NOT be in ANY w/d, and therefore you're able to stabilize and get your life back on track. You might be fortunate and get a slight body buzz for an hour or two after you dose, but that's it. It's not meant to get you high and make you nod off. In fact, a sign that you're getting too much is if you're extremely tired throughout the day and sleeping all day. That's what happened to me. It sounds like you're expecting something that's not meant to happen on MMT. Some people say that they like methadone, and that it gives them energy and makes them have a body high all day, but I'm not one of them, and I don't think that's the case for most people. In comparison to H or morphine, methadone sucks IMO. It's great for maintaining / detoxing, but I wouldn't ever consider using it as something to get high on.

Plus, the clinic raises you in 5mg increments for safety purposes and to let your body become accustomed to it. They do it on purpose, they're not trying to fuck you out of a high (although I do sometimes think that's an added benefit). But, again, you have to remember, you're not supposed to be getting high. Sometimes they will raise you in 10mg increments, like if your blood-serum methadone levels (tested by troughs) is very low. But other than that, 5mg is pretty much the norm.

Be careful about getting too high of a dose. For one, it's more likely that you'll have bad side effects with too-high of a dose, and you could also be so lethargic and sleepy that it's defeating the whole point of MMT. I mean, how are you supposed to keep a job and get stable when you're sleeping everyday? It just doesn't happen. Again, that's what I went through on 140mg a day. It was just too much. Plus, when it's time to come off, you're going to have an even harder time getting off a higher dose than a moderate one. I'd say you should reevaluate your expectations of MMT and stay at 90 for a while. Methadone is pretty good at stabilizing you because you have a steady supply in your system. It builds up over time. Plus, you don't really build a tolerance to it, in that if 90mg is helping you now, it will still help you in a year. Whereas with morphine that wouldn't be the case. That's why when you find your right dose, you stay on it until you decide to detox and leave.

Good luck, and be careful. If you're not in w/d and not craving (although I still think people crave to a certain extent on methadone, because they miss the high--you sort of have to mourn the high and move on. I know, easier said than done. But, on enough methadone, you shouldn't be fiending. Thinking about dope every now and then is to be expected, but it shouldn't preoccupy your mind all day long). then I'd say that's the right dose. You REALLY do NOT want to take enough to make you nod / sedated. You'll just be making things worse.

[Voyager]

Yes, the polimeric Hydromkorphone Implant is surgically implanted under your skin in the area under the arm/hand.
It's great, anyway !

And as for other opioids. It's just a bullshit which governments made us to think, that Methadone is better for maintenance than other opioid and that on Methadone once you find your own dose, you'll not be needing more after a long period of time, and while with the other opioids you'll always need more.
It's not true. If you stabilise on your dose of Morphine, Hydromorphone, Oxycodone, Oxymorphone, you'll be satisfied all the time.
I know, because I tried to be stabile on some other opioids and it worked. It's just important that you are taking an extended release verion of that opioid you want to be maintained on. Because only longer acting formulations are indicated for the substitution maintenance treatment. Thus, HydromorphContin, Opana, Jurnista, OxyContin, MS-Contin, all of them are very good candidates for the opioid substition maintenance treatment.

And when those asses from the government realise that, it will be better for all of us.

[SneefOXYs]

Exactly!

MMT is meant to make you "normal." In other words, you should NOT be in ANY w/d, and therefore you're able to stabilize and get your life back on track. You might be fortunate and get a slight body buzz for an hour or two after you dose, but that's it. It's not meant to get you high and make you nod off. In fact, a sign that you're getting too much is if you're extremely tired throughout the day and sleeping all day. That's what happened to me. It sounds like you're expecting something that's not meant to happen on MMT. Some people say that they like methadone, and that it gives them energy and makes them have a body high all day, but I'm not one of them, and I don't think that's the case for most people. In comparison to H or morphine, methadone sucks IMO. It's great for maintaining / detoxing, but I wouldn't ever consider using it as something to get high on.

Plus, the clinic raises you in 5mg increments for safety purposes and to let your body become accustomed to it. They do it on purpose, they're not trying to fuck you out of a high (although I do sometimes think that's an added benefit). But, again, you have to remember, you're not supposed to be getting high. Sometimes they will raise you in 10mg increments, like if your blood-serum methadone levels (tested by troughs) is very low. But other than that, 5mg is pretty much the norm.

Be careful about getting too high of a dose. For one, it's more likely that you'll have bad side effects with too-high of a dose, and you could also be so lethargic and sleepy that it's defeating the whole point of MMT. I mean, how are you supposed to keep a job and get stable when you're sleeping everyday? It just doesn't happen. Again, that's what I went through on 140mg a day. It was just too much. Plus, when it's time to come off, you're going to have an even harder time getting off a higher dose than a moderate one. I'd say you should reevaluate your expectations of MMT and stay at 90 for a while. Methadone is pretty good at stabilizing you because you have a steady supply in your system. It builds up over time. Plus, you don't really build a tolerance to it, in that if 90mg is helping you now, it will still help you in a year. Whereas with morphine that wouldn't be the case. That's why when you find your right dose, you stay on it until you decide to detox and leave.

Good luck, and be careful. If you're not in w/d and not craving (although I still think people crave to a certain extent on methadone, because they miss the high--you sort of have to mourn the high and move on. I know, easier said than done. But, on enough methadone, you shouldn't be fiending. Thinking about dope every now and then is to be expected, but it shouldn't preoccupy your mind all day long). then I'd say that's the right dose. You REALLY do NOT want to take enough to make you nod / sedated. You'll just be making things worse.

Uhhhh thanks for your opinion I appreciate thehelp, but I don't think you read everything I had to say. Because I basically already said everything you did, just maybe in different words. The only thing I didn't mention was about the trough test, which they only do if you want to go over 120 mg, which like I said before 120 is way higher then I want to be. 100 is about as high as I'm willing to go, and hopefully that makes the late nights and early mornings a lil better.

[Narkotikon]

Uhhhh thanks for your opinion I appreciate thehelp, but I don't think you read everything I had to say. Because I basically already said everything you did, just maybe in different words. The only thing I didn't mention was about the trough test, which they only do if you want to go over 120 mg, which like I said before 120 is way higher then I want to be. 100 is about as high as I'm willing to go, and hopefully that makes the late nights and early mornings a lil better..

You can also request troughs to be done. You usually have to pay for it anyway. It sounds like you'd be a good candidate for split-dosing. If they didn't want to do that, you could have a trough done one morning (before you dose of course) and that would show you were metabolizing it too fast. You could use that as proof to justify your need for split dosing.

[Voyager]

I don't have such issues when I want to split my dose.
I don't get it why your clinics are making so much trouble around the basic splitting of the dose, I don't get it, those poeple has to make everything difficult !

As I'm getting my Methadone bottles straight from pharmacy, each week in the quantity for one week.
I realised that I need to split my Methadone dose after just one month.
I also have a fast metabolism. So I just told my mother (who is dispensing me my Methadone doses) to split my dose as I will.
I take 67mg in the morning, and then 20mg in the evening after round 7 hours after my morning dose.
That helps me a lot. Just at about the time when my opioid feeling wears off, i take those 20mg of Methadone and I'm again cool. And Concerta is still runnin' by that time, so it's okay, mostly.

But Hydromorphone is Hydromorphone ! ;-)

[Narkotikon]

I don't have such issues when I want to split my dose.
I don't get it why your clinics are making so much trouble around the basic splitting of the dose, I don't get it, those poeple has to make everything difficult !



Because they think the people who get split doses (especially people who are new) sell the other half, or save them up and get "high." Clinics here are tightly controlled and they're usually a bitch to deal with.

[SneefOXYs]

Because they think the people who get split doses (especially people who are new) sell the other half, or save them up and get "high." Clinics here are tightly controlled and they're usually a bitch to deal with.

I know I got kinda pissed the other day. I'm over here hurtin and my counsler asked me straight up, in like a joking manner, but he was like ARE YOU SELLIN YOUR TAKE HOMES? I thought that shit was funny, I was like you must think one I'm broke ass mufucka. I pay about $250 a month and I could probably double that, maybe a lil more sellin my take-homes. But what the fuck is that $600, maybe. Shit that's nothin when I was doin about $200 a day on oxy. But I'm a young lookin cat so I guess I should expect that shiet.

[Consumed.]

Im really interested in this Polimeric Hydromorphone Implant. Is this something that is really coming out in the US? It sounds too good to be true. But then again so did subs before they came out.... I remember them be touted as the best thing to ever happen to opiate addiction especially since you could just get a script, who knows for some people it was the grail, not I says Captain Crunch.

[Voyager]

Buprenorphine is something worse that happened to opioid addiction...I mean for those people that want to be maintained, not detoxified, because it's a shit and doesn't give you any opioid warmth and no buzz. I was craving like mothafucka on Buprenorphine and after 2 weeks switched back to Methadone.

And Polimeric Hydromorphone Implant, oh yes, it will not only be available in the USA, once they finish it, it will be available trought the whole world.
I hope in a year or so.
But I'll implant it right away !

[SneefOXYs]

Buprenorphine is something worse that happened to opioid addiction...I mean for those people that want to be maintained, not detoxified, because it's a shit and doesn't give you any opioid warmth and no buzz. I was craving like mothafucka on Buprenorphine and after 2 weeks switched back to Methadone.

And Polimeric Hydromorphone Implant, oh yes, it will not only be available in the USA, once they finish it, it will be available trought the whole world.
I hope in a year or so.
But I'll implant it right away !

That's exactly what I mean what do you mean by implant? Where do they implant this into you? When I think of implant I think of them having to cut you open and insert something inside you surgically. So how exactly would this be administered? After you told me about it Voyager I searched the internet for information, and you are exactly right in the next year or so it should be avaliable in the US. But they didn't give any exact details on how it was taken. All it said was people wouldn't have to worry about flight restrictions flying over seas to countries carrying their doses.

Well after searching and searching and reading through a bunch of scientific mumbo jumbo I finally found my answer and it is basically what I was hopin it wasn't. Basically it's hydromorphone that is extremely coated and can last from 2 weeks to 6 months and they implant it in your abdominal area or upper arm. I found all this info on PATENTSTORM.com you have to register to see the .PDF file, but it's free and takes no time. Some good info. I guess they are coming out with this implant so people can't abuse them illegally or sell their take homes or anything like that. They just implant it into your arm or abs, and your good to go for as long as they want you to. I'm guessin a month period maybe, because I'm sure they still want you to check in the clinics every so often.

[porcelina]

Sneefoxys: what kind of w/d symptoms are you experiencing? like leg cramps, body aches, that kind of thing? cuz if you are, you definitely need to be straight-up and persistent with them that you indeed need more help maintaining...hopefully they'll be cool about it...and you're right, maybe you do need split-dosing...i just hope that you find your right dose soon and can actually feel well throughout the day AND night...

i've been dosing at the done clinic for 3 weeks now, i had my second dose review this morning, and told the nurse that the dose they started me on (40mg) is completely maintaining me...she looked surprised and told me that almost everyone else getting dose reviews in the beginning requests increases...she said that they tell her it's because they stop "feeling" their dose and so then she has to tell them that you're not supposed to feel your dose, you're only supposed to feel "well"...i told her i'm not experiencing any w/d symptoms or cravings...she told me that i'm lucky to have pretty much found a stabalizing dose so early to keep well...basically, she told me that i'm one of the few out of 475 patients at the clinic to maintain on a low dose...i took my first piss test with them last week and was only positive for done...don't get me wrong, sometimes i think about how good a heavyass buzz would feel, but then i snap out of it and thank my lucky stars that at least i feel well and i'm not sick...

GOOD LUCK and i'm glad that you don't want to get on too high of a dose...hopefully it'll all work out for you...keep us updated...

[Voyager]

What's wrong with implanting a tiny polimeric implant of Hydromorphone under your skin in your abdominal or arm area ?
I mean, there is already Naloxone Implant which is being implanted trought the world to thousands of people.
The parents are forcing their sons and daughters to implant this shit, and they do that without the consent of their child, so basiclly you get a young person implanted with this shitty Naloxone, and who is craving opioids like hell, and in the end you get young people cuting their own skin and ripping off the Naloxone implant right out of their flesh just to be able to continue using their life substance.
I know, because I saw it too much of a time.
If they can implant the shitty Naloxone, why would it be so bad to implant Hydromorphone ?

It's not a big deal. You just get a tiny injection of Lidocaine or Bupevacaine (local anesthetics) at that area where you'll get your Hydromorphone implanted, then they make a tiny 1cm cut, not even a deep cut, put that polimeric implant of Hydromorphone under yer skin, then close it, and yer good to go.
It all takes about 15 minutes, and doesn't hurt a bit.
And you get your favorite opioid at the constant rate during the next 3 months.

Sounds very good. No need to be sceptical nor afraid. It's not a disaster !

And it's great that you stabilized at only 40mg, because the lowest stabilizing Methadone Maintenance dose is 60mg, according to the Substitution Maintenance Treatment regimes.
Only at the doses of 60mg and above Methadone can act as both the maintaining agent and as a blocking agent. At 40mg, you won't have the blocking effect becaue that dose is too low, and you can punch trough it more or less easily with a quarter of a gram of some better quality I.V. street Heroin, but hell, who else needs a blocking effect.
So I guess...good for you !
Hope you won't get any side effects from Methadone like me after 6 months.

[starglazer33]

Man, Voyager i sure hope things work out the way you say it will here in the u.s.. It sounds like heaven. i'm on the m.done and suffering at 72mgs a day. only one take home a wk. and i have to drive 35 mins a day there then another 35-40 back plus about 20-35 mins. in line at da clinic.

it FUCKING SUCKS.!!!

Yet truly i should not be complaining as i Know others have it much worse. I wish it for all of us like you said.It just kinda sounds dreamy but hey you never know. Maybe soon social awareness will make a difference and junkies will be free with good treatment in treatment centers, All puns intended!!!

I know i would love to try jurnista or hydromorphone maintenence cuz m.done sure fuckin sux after just 2 3/4yrs, i truly shouldn't complain only like maybe 11 or 20 relapses but i'm not happy very depressed n sick a lot.But it has helped please don't get me wrong i'm 1000% better off then strung out on dope. But i feel trapped by m.done too. ............................. anyway.

What Voyager said sounds great and something i would like to be a part ofl.:)

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