Instant Withdrawl

[chemboy7]

So any of you heavy users out there ever had the unfortunate experience of being brought back to the real world with Naltrexone? Studying to get into the medical field, they teach us that it produces an almost instant withdrawl in heavily dependant users upon becomming conscience. That has to suck. I heard that it is also used as a diagnostic in the "Naltrexone Challenge," where an amount is injected in an attempt to assess dependence. I am just curious how much an instantaneous withdrawl varies from the ordinary gange. Like a withdrawl rush? Damn, thats a harsh thought.

[opiapleez]

i can see how much interest your post genearted, since you are not talking about fun drugs or where to get them everyone ignores you, isnt it great?

I have several medical people in my family one doctor one rn and they say that if you give someone a injection of naltrexone it will stop ALL OPIATES FROM WORKING the naltrexone bonds better that any opiate, it kicks all other opiates out of the receptors and you are in comlete witrhdrawal
when this is an emergency lika an overdose they dont do a"challenge" they give you enough to kill any opiate in your system.period.
until the naltrexone is gone you are incaple of having opiates bond to receptors. period/

[chemboy7]

i can see how much interest your post genearted, since you are not talking about fun drugs or where to get them everyone ignores you, isnt it great?

I have several medical people in my family one doctor one rn and they say that if you give someone a injection of naltrexone it will stop ALL OPIATES FROM WORKING the naltrexone bonds better that any opiate, it kicks all other opiates out of the receptors and you are in comlete witrhdrawal
when this is an emergency lika an overdose they dont do a"challenge" they give you enough to kill any opiate in your system.period.
until the naltrexone is gone you are incaple of having opiates bond to receptors. period/

Right, I knew all that. The Naltrexone challange has nothing to do with an overdose situation either, it is a preceedure done by doctors and the like to assess whether someone is opaite dependant or not. I suppose what I was originally asking is how this immediate withdrawl differs from regular WDs.

[shaunclo]

I am happy to say that I have no idea.

I remember a buddy of mine OD'd and was brought back by a shot of naltrexone, he said that after he woke up he still felt fucked up, so maybe in an OD case they only give you enough to bring you back to life, not enough to send you into immediate w/d's.

Can you imagine getting a shot of not euphoria, but an instantaneous rush of w/d's, ohhhhh man, I think Ill sit that one out. Atleast it would aleviate all the anxiety of knowing whats to come. When your out and you know the sickness is in the mail - Renton / Trainspotting

[chemboy7]

I am happy to say that I have no idea.

I remember a buddy of mine OD'd and was brought back by a shot of naltrexone, he said that after he woke up he still felt fucked up, so maybe in an OD case they only give you enough to bring you back to life, not enough to send you into immediate w/d's.

Can you imagine getting a shot of not euphoria, but an instantaneous rush of w/d's, ohhhhh man, I think Ill sit that one out. Atleast it would aleviate all the anxiety of knowing whats to come. When your out and you know the sickness is in the mail - Renton / Trainspotting

That's exactly what I am saying brother... almost better to leave you lay, I mean that WD has to be worse than any ever experienced in the past and being that you have Naltrexone blocking your mu receptors there is no way out than to just experience it. That would put me straight, no doubt.

[blackdog]

I am happy to say that I have no idea.

I remember a buddy of mine OD'd and was brought back by a shot of naltrexone, he said that after he woke up he still felt fucked up, so maybe in an OD case they only give you enough to bring you back to life, not enough to send you into immediate w/d's.

Can you imagine getting a shot of not euphoria, but an instantaneous rush of w/d's, ohhhhh man, I think Ill sit that one out. Atleast it would aleviate all the anxiety of knowing whats to come. When your out and you know the sickness is in the mail - Renton / Trainspotting

yes i can i did it on a sunday morning after a wild weekending then.i had no idea what naltrexone was about .so i pop 2 of them in my mouth and about 15 minutes later everything went like a snow on a tv screen ya know white noise and the like ...it put me into immediate wd's and i was hugging my toilet and thank god my sister came down to find me puking my lower intestines out and she went and got me two bundles which didnt get me high but put my life back in perspective.whooo hooooo .if you got a enemie that deserves payback ,well this is what ya do ta him slip him/her a naltreone and theyll think their life is over with

[blahblahblah]

I ve been thrown into w/d's from injections of Narcan [naloxone] and from eating ReVia [naltrexone] pills stupidly when junked out. The naltrexone was worse by far as I couldnt shoot thru the antagonist effects and I was forced to suffer by eating handfuls of benzos and anti-p's to try and knock myself down. Naloxone w/d's can be horrible or just enough to pull you out of a OD. The nice thing about Naloxone is that you can shoot thru the antagonist effect as the duration of the drug is so short. I have been able to get high roughly about 30 mins. - 1 hour after having a shot knock me out blue. The problem is convincing the doctor to let you leave quick, most like to keep you under observation for awhile after a OD usually the same ones that pump you so fulla Narcan so that you are absolutely going to be thrown into w/d. I can see their point of view with saftey/insurance/liability reasoning to make sure you are FULLY brought conscious and out of the w/d rather than using just the right amount of Narcan [naloxone] to pull you back from the dead but not throw you into a nasty instant w/d. Usually most of the opiate OD I have been involved with have been poly-drug OD's with benzos being the spike in the vein that turned you blue.

I havent really heard about the 'Naltrexone Challenge' as I would think it would be better to use Naloxone as the antagonist, but I am familiar with the concept. I have heard about people using Naltrexone in low doses to help try to combat tolerance from building to quickly, but thats not my cup of tea in the least.

[blackdog]

i can see how much interest your post genearted, since you are not talking about fun drugs or where to get them everyone ignores you, isnt it great?

I have several medical people in my family one doctor one rn and they say that if you give someone a injection of naltrexone it will stop ALL OPIATES FROM WORKING the naltrexone bonds better that any opiate, it kicks all other opiates out of the receptors and you are in comlete witrhdrawal
when this is an emergency lika an overdose they dont do a"challenge" they give you enough to kill any opiate in your system.period.
until the naltrexone is gone you are incaple of having opiates bond to receptors. period/

ya da emt's by us have what's called narcan and thats exactly what it is/does .it's instant no overdose in a can.i can't tell you anymore then that.

[blackdog]

oh seedless you poor bastard.and i mean that in the nicest of ways owww myyyyyyy
naltrexone never again not even to my worst enimies....................well????? maybeeeee:rolleyes:

[Coddfish]

I have tried to explain the heroin rush to non-users like this: get a picture/feeling in your mind of the worst you have ever felt, ever. And then get in your mind the best you have ever felt, physically, emotionally, etc. Now imagine going from the former to the latter in 5 seconds. . . only more so. I had an experience similar to Black dogs once, and I would say it was the reverse of the scenario I mentioned, ie., best feeling ever to worst feeling ever in very short order.

[dorje]

In order to get in the Methadone program in Boulder you had to "prove" your were an addict (the tracks on your arms not enough proof) by either showing up junk sick (yeah,right) or shooting up (they let you do yourself up thinking rightly you knew your own best spot) some Narcan. Horrible. I'm high...I'm in WD's big time. But of course the real bitch was the WD's from the Done. Before Sub.. the only thing you could do was eat valium all day and pray for sleep.
A solid month and then deep depression.

[Zoop]

To answer the ?, yup. I did it too. Like one previous poster on this thread, one time I was reall messed up from eatin' lortabs (hydro) all day. I was kinda nauseated and a little pukey. I just wanted to take it down a notch or two, not totally make it go away - I was just so queasy feeling. So, what do I do? I took a revia pill, which I had, and just chopped a little tiny chip off of it. I don't know how much mg dose it was, but I am guessing since the pill was 50mg, this would've been like 1/5 of it - about 10mg.

About an hour later, I started to get this electricity feeling and just at the beginning of it, it was kinda cool feeling, not bad, but only for about 10 min. Then it was instant w/d. I was shaking uncontrollably and puked and my nose was running like faucet and tears were coming out of my eyes. That shit (naltrexone -"Revia") lasts for a while too, unlike naloxone, so I was like that for around 8 hours. It subsided slowly and the next morning (didn't sleep) I was able to get off again.

[shaunclo]

All I gotta say is.......FUCK THAT!!!!

We should buy up all the naltrexone in the world and burn it in 1 huge fire for the world to see and dance around it like wild engines all high and........o.k., Im done.

[kat1lifeleft]

I have also been wondering about the length of time the induced withdrawls last. If anyone has an answer to this I'd appreciate any experiences or feedback. Specifically, I'm wondering if when the instant withdrawls are brought on, do you get through them any faster or does it go on and on and on... like regular W/D's for however long it would normally go depending on your tolerance? Can it make the W/D get over any quicker, I guess is what I wanna know.

Thanks guys

[chemboy7]

My understanding is that it knocks opoid agonist out of receptors and blocks them off, thus making another dose a useless effort. I'm guessing you would be in WD until you got another hit, so the question would be how long does the Naltrexone block off the receptors?

Maybe if you had a short acting antagonist counteracting a super long acting agonist when the antagonist wore off you'd be fine? I dunno.

[dorje]

The challenge at the Boulder Methadone clinic was followed up in about an hour by your first done dose so the WD's were intense but did n't last very long. I would have to look up how long the half life of the stuff is but the WD's are strong. That is how you would prove you were strung out. The other way was to come to clinic with enough WD's to prove yourself. Yeah, right.

[chemboy7]

See, that "Naltrexone Challenge" or whatever always seemed like a violation of the doctor's Hypocritical Oath to me. Seems so fucking cruel, I can't believe those bastard's get away with it.

[dorje]

Agreed the Doc at the Done clinic was following some stupid Federal rule so no unaddicted folk might get some done. When I got off the done and didn't sleep for 4 days and nights I went back and said to doc "Give me something to sleep or I'm going to go cop some dope" He said,Mr. Hippocrates No you'll only abuse it. I hit a regular MD who gave me Valium 10mg. Of course I did wind up doing 9 pills once. Woke up the next day after crashing into a signpost with my car at home without wallet. A store called saying your wallets here you were trying to buy a shotgun OOps glad I didn't make that purchase and my wallet had all the cash in it. Normal people are amazing. I would go in some normies house, hit the bathroom, look for pills and find a bottle of Percodans ten years old. Then I would think "What's wrong with these people...haven't they had any pain in the last ten years ???

[EndRun]

I have seen it happen to a friend. He fell out in my car, and I had to give him CPR while my brother drove us to the hospital. We dragged his ass inside (no, it's not necessary to drop someone at the curb - I just told them I had just picked him up 5 minutes ago to go to the store). Anyway, as he's receiving CPR (now by hospital staff) and they ask what he might have taken, I told them opiates. Within a minute he was sitting bolt upright, ripping the IV line out & had to be restained - puking on himself. Ug. Glad I never had to feel that.

Would this be a way to go through WD more quickly? It would be nice to be able to load up on benzos, have a friend help for the weekend, and get it over with. Any idea if that'd work?

[blackdog]

To answer the ?, yup. I did it too. Like one previous poster on this thread, one time I was reall messed up from eatin' lortabs (hydro) all day. I was kinda nauseated and a little pukey. I just wanted to take it down a notch or two, not totally make it go away - I was just so queasy feeling. So, what do I do? I took a revia pill, which I had, and just chopped a little tiny chip off of it. I don't know how much mg dose it was, but I am guessing since the pill was 50mg, this would've been like 1/5 of it - about 10mg.

About an hour later, I started to get this electricity feeling and just at the beginning of it, it was kinda cool feeling, not bad, but only for about 10 min. Then it was instant w/d. I was shaking uncontrollably and puked and my nose was running like faucet and tears were coming out of my eyes. That shit (naltrexone -"Revia") lasts for a while too, unlike naloxone, so I was like that for around 8 hours. It subsided slowly and the next morning (didn't sleep) I was able to get off again.
SEE MY PREVIOUS man zoop you did the same as me i had them revias too.and i'm saving them fer the next junkie that fucks with me.awww that's gonna be payback fer sure . yeah zoop that electricity feeling yeah like a TV screen without a picture ya know snow like they call it ..anyhow yeah thank god my sister found me dry heaving into a garbage can and didn't even ask fer money she ran and got me 2 bundles and i just prayed to god to look out fer her. thems the memories that you need to remember when your fresh outta detox/rehab and start romancing the idea of doing just a little taste(won't hurt) yeah well wait until its time ta stop .huh?

[nick]

Yeh I had to be sick to get on the local methadone programme.So I ran up and down a large hill near the clinic and arrived sweating,out of breath and wild eyed.The DR felt my pulse,which was racing and put me straight onto 40mls of the nasty green shit.By the by,Mr dog I think that tv "snow" is called static.

[blackdog]

Yeh I had to be sick to get on the local methadone programme.So I ran up and down a large hill near the clinic and arrived sweating,out of breath and wild eyed.The DR felt my pulse,which was racing and put me straight onto 40mls of the nasty green shit.By the by,Mr dog I think that tv "snow" is called static.

radio no signal= static sound/snow sound?

television no signal=snow picture/static picture?
it's all good you knew what i meant,?more or less. ya aye?
:confused-

[HeidiW]

I'd rather be dead than be given Narcan/Revia. UGH!

[opiobsessed]

That horrible oath "the naltrexone challenge" was done to me, yes me when I was in my very first opiate rehab program. All I remember was they made me wait upon admission for 24hrs in wd before this psych doc brought me into his office to talk. He had this mean look in his face that looked like "if I was in the dea I would make all you junkies suffer hell". I hated that place the whole week I was there, only one staff member was compassionate to me. All the other junkies were way more hardcore back then, than me, I was in after all summer long of constant vicodin use, 6 pills to get me high back then. I was put on subutex 2mg twice daily and it made me feel almost like my first vicodin. I felt happy to feel warm at least again.

Suddenly one day the doc told me I'm being sent home tomorrow but wont release me till I sign proof of how I will stay clean. Luckily the junkies told me make sure you say no to naltrexone crap. Well my doc said, I'm not letting you out with no job and just going back home with disability and nothing to do. I was forced literallly to agree to take this shit. They took me off the tex for the day, for some strange reason I think the doc was doing this sneaky shit all along. What happened was the nurses station didn't call me at all that day(funny watching other junkies waiting for their dose) you could tell the ones who were getting something good were anxiously waiting in line. While the ones getting shitty stuff would stand off to the side waiting till the last minute. Well next day came and I was called up and given subutex 2mg when I got up after morning. I said what? I thought my doc was taking me off it, no she said its still on your chart. I figured well heck I love the taste of it under my tongue and the slight warm glow so I took it.

Suddenly after suppertime that same day, the nurse called me over to the station and I was the only one standing there. She said, I have this naltrexone you are supposed to take. I suddenly shook in horror, said wait hey I just had a subutex this morning, I thought the doc was going to wait 24 hours before I could take it or I'll get real sick. She said well no I dont think so. I felt like I just swallowed poison and was suddenly scared shitless. Walked into the group room with all the other junkies laughing, playing cards and watching tv etc.

They all saw my face as soon as I walked in there, said uh oh did they already give you that stuff? I said yes oh god what's going to happen? The room went silent and everyone shyed away from me for some reason. My family had just left after a brief visit, when all of a sudden it hit me like a son of a bitch. Suddenly I was getting very cold, mental sadness of death came on, with my situation I had to rush to the bathroom just in time to make it. I was in there for over an hour cried so bad I was embarrassed to face anyone out there outside my room. My room mate was just an old man who tried to od on depakote and he was just sleeping so I wasn't worried about him. I was just worried about me, my nose was running and within and hour I was in I felt, 10 times worse wd than when I first walked into that place to get rid of wd. I could barely function the next day just to get out of there. Thank god I convinced my mom what hell this stuff was and what a mistake it was for her to fill the script. I was also put on this lousy lamictal for depression which I had a huge rash from less than a week after I got out and talked to my home psych doc who is alot more cool. I was immobilized and barely able to eat much for a week after getting home. My mom went on a long 2 week vacation overseas and the next week I busted right out my recent medical records and quickly faxed em in and within 2 weeks outta that horrible rehab I had 120 more watsons in my hands. The naltrexone and all that wd's did nothing to bring down my tolerance much, I still had to take alot of hydro to get high, but only 5 pills at once this time.
This horror will forever stick in my mind, plus the fact I'm so sensitive to wd more than normal. I still have bad dreams from time to time about me losing all my meds or I wake up thinking I heard the doorbell ring when my goodies were coming. Shit went on and on till I wound up in 2nd rehab which got me on suboxone to the point I am now. Fearing wd once again, hopeing to cling to the done clinic for a good buzz once again. I have no other way out, no other sources for real dope so I"m stuck with the big switch.

[moviebuff927]

I've been brought back 3 different times with Narcan. Once I was still conscious. That's one of the worst feelings, especially when you're addicted. You immediately feel like shit, you shake uncontrollably, and you sweat like a motherf**ker. The 3rd time they had to do it and I was conscious, I told them no and they did it anyway and it felt like my body was being drained of life. That's how bad it feels. It's not anything I want to experience again.

But if there was no Narcan, I wouldn't be here today either.

[madnesscult]

I have also been wondering about the length of time the induced withdrawls last. If anyone has an answer to this I'd appreciate any experiences or feedback. Specifically, I'm wondering if when the instant withdrawls are brought on, do you get through them any faster or does it go on and on and on... like regular W/D's for however long it would normally go depending on your tolerance? Can it make the W/D get over any quicker, I guess is what I wanna know.

Thanks guys

I actually just posted my experience with this on the URD thread...but I'll post it again.

A few years ago, I OD'd, and luckily I had some friends around to keep me awake/alive for a few hours. Eventually I got to be too much to handle, and they ended up calling an ambulance. By the time the paramedics got there, I was pretty much okay, just a little too high (but not to the point of being dangerous). I argued with them for a while, and they finally convinced me to get into the ambulance. I assumed that they would give me the normal shot of narcan, but apparently they gave me naltrexone (I learned later). I could immediately feel it burning up through my veins, into the rest of my body. Instant agony, and after a while even sent me into seizures. It was the most horrid and painful thing I have ever experienced. I had never gone through WDs at that point, but now know what they're like, and can describe it as pretty much a week of WD symptoms condensed into a few hours - crazy splitting headache, shivers, shakes, the works. Finally, when I got to the hospital, they gave me something to knock me out and end my suffering (after about a 40 minute ride there), and I woke up about 4 hours later feeling okay, but not too hot.

As for narcan, I have had some pretty positive experiences with it. The other times I OD'd and they gave me narcan weren't too uncomfortable. At one point I got my hands on some, and would do a small amount to get me to the point where I could drive home. The only bad part is that it usually didn't last through the whole 30-minute drive, and just as I would be getting off the freeway near my house, I would start nodding again, and hope I would get home safely!

[lukilu]

Hey Madness, Nice story ! Are you saying you would actually take some Narcan on your drive home and later the Narcan would wear off and you could feel your Dope again ? If this is true please exspound on the situation if you dont mind . Like how much Dope did you take and then how much Narcan did you take , MGs Wise that is ? The reason I ask is - I am thinking of trying something like this to bring down Tolerance and would love to hear more unless you are uncomfortable with the question I would understand or you could Email me . I also am in So. Calif, Thanks Lukilu

[bodangly]

I never have had any experience with naloxone or naltrexone thankfully, but I was put into immediate w/d after an IV of reglan and it was fucking BAD. I honestly think I'd rather be left for dead then have something like that pull me out of an OD.

[madnesscult]

Hey Madness, Nice story ! Are you saying you would actually take some Narcan on your drive home and later the Narcan would wear off and you could feel your Dope again ? If this is true please exspound on the situation if you dont mind . Like how much Dope did you take and then how much Narcan did you take , MGs Wise that is ? The reason I ask is - I am thinking of trying something like this to bring down Tolerance and would love to hear more unless you are uncomfortable with the question I would understand or you could Email me . I also am in So. Calif, Thanks Lukilu

What would happen is I would go to my friend/dealer's house which is about a half-hour drive from mine, and get high. When it came time for me to leave, I was often much too high to drive (like I can't even read street signs until I get 5 feet away from them). Friend/dealer had some narcan (or as we called it "pheonix down" - if you get the reference), and I would shoot just a little of that, just enough to get me a little less high so I could drive home (somewhat) safely. I remember friend/dealer-man telling me that the paramedics give you like 10 times more than what's necessary to wake one up from the dead (and kept asking if he could kill me and bring me back for fun, which I always declined). But anyway, I don't remember how much I actually took, but I know it wasn't much. I'm not sure what you're intending to use it for, but I would suggest trying just a few mg and see what happens with that.

[chemboy7]

I'm not sure what you're intending to use it for, but I would suggest trying just a few mg and see what happens with that.

I wouldn't even mess with that shit at all, at any mg. Shooting "just a little" so your not too high to drive home? Shit, I know it's hard, but I think I would wait til I got home or if I was sick maybe snort some or just shoot enough to get me through. There are a hell of lot of things that I would be willing to slam a few mg of just to "see what happens" but opaite antagonist aren't on the list.

one time I was reall messed up from eatin' lortabs (hydro) all day. I was kinda nauseated and a little pukey. I just wanted to take it down a notch or two, not totally make it go away - I was just so queasy feeling. So, what do I do? I took a revia pill, which I had, and just chopped a little tiny chip off of it. I don't know how much mg dose it was, but I am guessing since the pill was 50mg, this would've been like 1/5 of it - about 10mg.

About an hour later, I started to get this electricity feeling and just at the beginning of it, it was kinda cool feeling, not bad, but only for about 10 min. Then it was instant w/d. I was shaking uncontrollably and puked and my nose was running like faucet and tears were coming out of my eyes. That shit (naltrexone -"Revia") lasts for a while too, unlike naloxone, so I was like that for around 8 hours. It subsided slowly and the next morning (didn't sleep) I was able to get off again.

[bodangly]

Friend/dealer had some narcan (or as we called it "pheonix down" - if you get the reference), and I would shoot just a little of that, just enough to get me a little less high so I could drive home (somewhat) safely.

LMAO, Final Fantasy makes an appearance in the world of dope.

[lukilu]

Thanks Madness , Yea I definately am not gonna shoot Narcan but there are some reports out there that small amounts of Narcan less than a mg , more like .01mgs , along with a dose of ------- Opiate will help to potentiate and work on lowering Tolerance . I am not positive if this is exactly how its done but I am ready to try , if I can get my hands on Narcan . I may try my Doctor but if anybody knows of a online site please let me know . I just need like 10 mgs which would go along way with this experiment . Thanks again for the info . That is the first time I have ever heard of someone using Narcan to make there drive safer !
Lukilu

[madnesscult]

Lukilu: I know that once can get it for free at many needle exchanges, but often you'll have to attend a class on how to properly administer it first. If there's a NE around you, you should call and ask if they do that.

Chemboy: In my experience narcan and naltrexone are quite different. I have never been sent into withdrawl from narcan, whether it was the times to sober me up a little, or when I was given it by paramedics to revive me from an OD. Naltrexone, on the other hand, I had a terrible experience with.

[lister40]

By the way; it does not block tramadol..

[Sitar]

Someone was asking if using opiate antagonists would speed up the withdrawal process, making a kick go by faster. The answer is yes, but it would also greatly increase the discomfort and intensity of the withdrawal.

Opiate antagonists are what are used in the Rapid Detox programs. It would be tremendously unpleasant for someone to attempt to detox this way on their own, and that's why the Rapid Detox programs knock people completely out for the entire thing. I think it takes at least 36 hours or so to completely flush out the opiates using that method.

However, many people wake up still feeling pretty bad, and of course that method does nothing to deal with the psychological aspects of addiction. It's definitely not the way I'd like to do it. Bottom line is, there's no easy way to get off opiates. You gotta pay that piper one way or another.

[madnesscult]

Thanks Madness , Yea I definately am not gonna shoot Narcan but there are some reports out there that small amounts of Narcan less than a mg , more like .01mgs , along with a dose of ------- Opiate will help to potentiate and work on lowering Tolerance . I am not positive if this is exactly how its done but I am ready to try , if I can get my hands on Narcan . I may try my Doctor but if anybody knows of a online site please let me know . I just need like 10 mgs which would go along way with this experiment . Thanks again for the info . That is the first time I have ever heard of someone using Narcan to make there drive safer !
Lukilu

Sorry to bring this back from the dead, as it were, but I remember now that it was definitely less than a milligram...probably around the amount you mentioned. Since posting my story originally, I have come back into contact with the guy, and will confirm the next time I talk to him.

As for "do it and see what happens," I have to admit that wasn't the best of statements I've ever made.

[Woowoo]

So any of you heavy users out there ever had the unfortunate experience of being brought back to the real world with Naltrexone?
Yeah I've had Narcan twice, both administered by paramedics due to overdoses. The first time I had it, I was out cold when they administered it, and it brought me to in a hurry. I didn't have a big habit at the time, so other than making my skin crawl it didn't seem that bad.

The second time they gave it to me for absolutely no reason, I had OD'd but they brought me back to the hospital "for observation" and the sadistic fucks put Narcan in my IV tube just to watch me writhe. They didn't say a word, just fiddled with my IV for a second and suddenly I felt a cold rush flow over my body, accompanied with a pins-and-needles feeling, and I felt like I was dying. It was total hell. I had a pretty bad habit at that time.

So yeah, I agree that it's horrible, and from my experiences it seems the worse you're hooked the more horrible it is. Still I'd like to have a shot lying around the house for emergencies.

[Woowoo]

Oh is Naltrexone different from Narcan? I thought they were the same thing. I guess I'm not 100% sure what I've been given in that case.

[madnesscult]

Oh is Naltrexone different from Narcan? I thought they were the same thing. I guess I'm not 100% sure what I've been given in that case.

Yes, they're very different (at least in my experience). When awakened with Narcan, that's all that happened, just being revived, and something of a headache. But Naltrexone caused INCREDIBLE agony. Maybe that's what they gave you...

[Woowoo]

Yes, they're very different (at least in my experience). When awakened with Narcan, that's all that happened, just being revived, and something of a headache. But Naltrexone caused INCREDIBLE agony. Maybe that's what they gave you...

I bet you're right--looking back, I bet the first time it was just paramedics doin' their job and I got Narcan. But that second time, I was a rat in some sadistic doctor's experimentation lab and they shot me up with liquid pain Naltrexone. The difference between the two experiences was so extreme it's easy for me to imagine they were different chemicals.

Before I signed up here all I ever heard of was "Narcan" I didn't know about Naltrexone.

[madnesscult]

I bet you're right--looking back, I bet the first time it was just paramedics doin' their job and I got Narcan. But that second time, I was a rat in some sadistic doctor's experimentation lab and they shot me up with liquid pain Naltrexone. The difference between the two experiences was so extreme it's easy for me to imagine they were different chemicals.

Before I signed up here all I ever heard of was "Narcan" I didn't know about Naltrexone.

Yeah, that's pretty much what happened to me (if you read my earlier posts on this thread). First few times, Narcan to bring me back, then when I was already awake and okay, they gave me naltrexalone. Fuckers.

[Chipper]

When awakened with Narcan, that's all that happened, just being revived, and something of a headache.

That damn headache that follows Narcan - I know it. I couldn't beleive how much my head hurt after being revived!

[edhorfin]

I was a very early Naltrexone patient (early 80's). I had detoxed and my doc had to give me "Narcan Challenge". He IV'd me with Narcan before he wrote the scrip for the Naltrexone (brand name Trexan back then). Narcan is a very SHORT acting antagonist which is why you can come out of it high again. Naltrexone is very long acting-3 to 4 days in experience. They have to do it because if you take a naltrexone and go into withdrawl there's nothing they can do whereas a Narcan induced WD is a short one and the blockade can be overcome.

My wife at the time would give me the pills in the am. I would "cheek" them for about 30 seconds until I got out the door to go to work.(scoring on the way). That minor exposure ( I would spit the entire pill out ASAP and it was almost intact) would precipitate pretty bad withdrawls which were almost impossible to overcome. I could do a bunch of smack and just barely get well from maybe 2 to 3 mg of the trexan from the incidental ingestion from the cheeking...

Natrexone is some very nasty shit. If it were an agonist as opposed to an antagonist; it would last longer than methadone and be a very powerful analgesic indeed..

I remember taking one 25 mg pill on a Monday and on Wednesday not feeling 16 mg of dilaudid IV. Did the first4 mg and then 3 more 4 mg dillies without feeling a damn thing.

[Woowoo]

I remember taking one 25 mg pill on a Monday and on Wednesday not feeling 16 mg of dilaudid IV. Did the first4 mg and then 3 more 4 mg dillies without feeling a damn thing.
That's a crying shame. This Naltrexone stuff is obviously work of the Devil.