opos
04-03-2006, 03:06 PM
I had seen alot of acetic acid+morphine posts I have given this some thought. Of course this is speculation so feel free to add corrections. I just hope I don't sound like a idiot to any real scientists in the forum.
The theory;creation and concentration of morphine acetate.
When processing the morphine alkaloid with acetic acid you will end up creating amongst other things , Morphine-6-Acetate (M6A or MA(ALPHA)A) a water soluble morphine salt .Theoretically you may also create Morphine-3-Acetate (M3A or MB(BETA)A ) a amorphous morphine salt . Either way we will refer to the resulting salt(s) as MA (morphine acetate ) . If further processing is unwished , the MA in the solution acts primarily as the morphine alkaloid would in the same amount of water. With exception perhaps to it's increased water solubility creating a increased rate of absorbancy into the blood stream and/or reduced time to penetrate in the brain (?) .
If wished the solution can then be *filtered and cooked until a solid form (usually dark amber to a brown or tan) that emerges from a black concentrated liquid (reduced pod solution or opium/putty solution). If you add sodium bicarbonate to the solution to neutralize the acid then the salts will precipitate ("crash") out of the solution as it reduces .You can collect the precipitate however there will still be a saturated volume of MA in the water solution ,even as it starts to congeal right before solidifying. If you leave it acidic without adding a base as it cooks down you will notice a ball of salt(and whatever other contaminates of course) starting to form that will spin, growing in size as the liquid reduces, finally creating a solid-salty crown on top of the liquid that will grow as the solution below shrinks.
The result should be broken into as small of pieces as possible and heated further (170-200 DF). The effect of cooking for some time after it forms a solid is a lightening of color, it also becomes less waxy and lends it's self to being crushing to a powder once fully cooked dry. Crushing or breaking into smaller pieces as it dries speeds the process up greatly. It is perhaps possible that given the right circumstances miniscule amounts of acetic anhydride could form from the acetic acid vapor given a high enough concentration and reflux properties. Then the reaction with the MA would form either 3 or 6 MAM then the addition of HCL would then form some DAMHCL. If it did create any MAM ,it would be trivial if any, amounts of heroin base.Don't get your hopes up to make heroin this way however ,the addition of HCL to the resulting powder will only make Morphine-HCL or 6-MAM HCL with extremely low if any amounts of diacetylmorphine HCL. If you look at some unwashed used utensils or containers you will probably see salt "spears" or "needles" have formed. This is indicative of M6A or 6-MAM so one way our another your getting one of them.
*filtered: Physically filtered with fiber mesh filters and/or porous filters such as activated charcoal to greatly reduce waxes,plant materials,coagulants and other impurities .
The theory;creation and concentration of morphine acetate.
When processing the morphine alkaloid with acetic acid you will end up creating amongst other things , Morphine-6-Acetate (M6A or MA(ALPHA)A) a water soluble morphine salt .Theoretically you may also create Morphine-3-Acetate (M3A or MB(BETA)A ) a amorphous morphine salt . Either way we will refer to the resulting salt(s) as MA (morphine acetate ) . If further processing is unwished , the MA in the solution acts primarily as the morphine alkaloid would in the same amount of water. With exception perhaps to it's increased water solubility creating a increased rate of absorbancy into the blood stream and/or reduced time to penetrate in the brain (?) .
If wished the solution can then be *filtered and cooked until a solid form (usually dark amber to a brown or tan) that emerges from a black concentrated liquid (reduced pod solution or opium/putty solution). If you add sodium bicarbonate to the solution to neutralize the acid then the salts will precipitate ("crash") out of the solution as it reduces .You can collect the precipitate however there will still be a saturated volume of MA in the water solution ,even as it starts to congeal right before solidifying. If you leave it acidic without adding a base as it cooks down you will notice a ball of salt(and whatever other contaminates of course) starting to form that will spin, growing in size as the liquid reduces, finally creating a solid-salty crown on top of the liquid that will grow as the solution below shrinks.
The result should be broken into as small of pieces as possible and heated further (170-200 DF). The effect of cooking for some time after it forms a solid is a lightening of color, it also becomes less waxy and lends it's self to being crushing to a powder once fully cooked dry. Crushing or breaking into smaller pieces as it dries speeds the process up greatly. It is perhaps possible that given the right circumstances miniscule amounts of acetic anhydride could form from the acetic acid vapor given a high enough concentration and reflux properties. Then the reaction with the MA would form either 3 or 6 MAM then the addition of HCL would then form some DAMHCL. If it did create any MAM ,it would be trivial if any, amounts of heroin base.Don't get your hopes up to make heroin this way however ,the addition of HCL to the resulting powder will only make Morphine-HCL or 6-MAM HCL with extremely low if any amounts of diacetylmorphine HCL. If you look at some unwashed used utensils or containers you will probably see salt "spears" or "needles" have formed. This is indicative of M6A or 6-MAM so one way our another your getting one of them.
*filtered: Physically filtered with fiber mesh filters and/or porous filters such as activated charcoal to greatly reduce waxes,plant materials,coagulants and other impurities .