boxing match hydrocodone vs suboxone

[opiobsessed]

Well I finally got the lucky break I've been looking for and feel I was overdue for after what I went through on my birthday this march. I scored some cool 10/325's and got a good stash. I quit my suboxone, yes a whopping 24mg a day, took a few watson's only 7 hours after my last sub dose and felt kind of good but I could feel a boxing match starting in poppyland he he. The first 24 hours without suboxone and I woke up and took 7 watsons all at once, I was feeling good 20 mins later but later that noon when I took 7 more, suddenly I started getting sick to my tummy, took some maalox to not much avail. Suddenly I was pukeing my brains out at 10 pm that night. I went to bed and slept it off, woke up yesterday noon and took only 6 this time. I still felt kind of yucky all day yesterday so I toughed it out and only took a total of 20 watsons throughout the day. Now today only 48 or so hours since my last suboxone I woke up this noon, kind of wd'ing, I took 7 watsons and within 20 mins, WOW I'm buzzin like a bumble bee, suddenly I felt the lovely full agonist break through all that sub and naloxone and mister watson won. Now I got some more goodies commin and I'll be buzzin once again and feeling absolutely no pain from my surgery at the beginning of March. Now my reason for posting this, is because I'm just curious how all you others body chemistry is, mainly if you are on suboxone and you relapse. Do you get sick and puke when you kick the sub and go on a full agonist vacation? what's the duration of sickness or waiting time you have to go through before you enjoy the full effects of a full agonist after quitting suboxone or subutex? I seem to have a real fast metabolizm due to my whole colon removed from chronic colitis so things go through me alot faster than normal people, good thing about that is I can relapse with little side effects after qutting suboxone compared to most it seems, on the other hand the bad thing about that is vicodin etc also goes through me faster than normal, making me have to take my watsons every 2 hours compared to some who can go 3 or more hours before having to shoot up or take a pill. On the other hand, when I run out of watsons and have to endure some wd, I only have to suffer maybe 4 hours without any opiate in me before I can safely switch back to my subs. I notice something strange but cool when I switch back to my subs after I run out of gear. I notice for a few days after being back on suboxone, that I get almost the same warm buzz from sub as I did back when I first started them a year ago. However it only lasts a few days and then tolerance quickly sets in and I have to start tapering my dose of sub again.

[Junkie Kittie]

Well I finally got the lucky break I've been looking for and feel I was overdue for after what I went through on my birthday this march. I scored some cool 10/325's and got a good stash. I quit my suboxone, yes a whopping 24mg a day, took a few watson's only 7 hours after my last sub dose and felt kind of good but I could feel a boxing match starting in poppyland he he. The first 24 hours without suboxone and I woke up and took 7 watsons all at once, I was feeling good 20 mins later but later that noon when I took 7 more, suddenly I started getting sick to my tummy, took some maalox to not much avail. Suddenly I was pukeing my brains out at 10 pm that night. I went to bed and slept it off, woke up yesterday noon and took only 6 this time. I still felt kind of yucky all day yesterday so I toughed it out and only took a total of 20 watsons throughout the day. Now today only 48 or so hours since my last suboxone I woke up this noon, kind of wd'ing, I took 7 watsons and within 20 mins, WOW I'm buzzin like a bumble bee, suddenly I felt the lovely full agonist break through all that sub and naloxone and mister watson won. Now I got some more goodies commin and I'll be buzzin once again and feeling absolutely no pain from my surgery at the beginning of March. Now my reason for posting this, is because I'm just curious how all you others body chemistry is, mainly if you are on suboxone and you relapse. Do you get sick and puke when you kick the sub and go on a full agonist vacation? what's the duration of sickness or waiting time you have to go through before you enjoy the full effects of a full agonist after quitting suboxone or subutex? I seem to have a real fast metabolizm due to my whole colon removed from chronic colitis so things go through me alot faster than normal people, good thing about that is I can relapse with little side effects after qutting suboxone compared to most it seems, on the other hand the bad thing about that is vicodin etc also goes through me faster than normal, making me have to take my watsons every 2 hours compared to some who can go 3 or more hours before having to shoot up or take a pill. On the other hand, when I run out of watsons and have to endure some wd, I only have to suffer maybe 4 hours without any opiate in me before I can safely switch back to my subs. I notice something strange but cool when I switch back to my subs after I run out of gear. I notice for a few days after being back on suboxone, that I get almost the same warm buzz from sub as I did back when I first started them a year ago. However it only lasts a few days and then tolerance quickly sets in and I have to start tapering my dose of sub again.

Hm. How long had it been since you took vicodin? I think you puked because you just took too many vicodin's at once and the acetaminophen made you vomit. That used to happen to me when I first started taking vicodin but once I got used to it I didn't puke as much but I still did here and there. I was on 32MG of sub and I stopped for a whole 24 hrs and shot up half a gram and I could SORT of feel it but I didn't throw up. I did that several times with heroin, OC's and vicodins and rarely puked. :D

[Mokelly]

yeah man, I think the boxing match was in your stomach...... You really shouldn't be ingesting all that acetaminophen. If you are going to eat like 20 vikes a day then I would urge you to do a cold water extraction to get all that tylenol out, just from pure fear that you are going to die of liver failure..... Just trying to help..

[antony]

I wouldn't have steam rolled into the norcos again that fast without testing the waters. I've done plenty of times when I'm sober for a long time, and then try to get a heavy nod first time in. It seems my body doesn't take to opies after a long absence and the first time is not as nice as the next couple of days. I would've taken 2-3 just to see what happens before you blow you whole load and puke, which you did.

Make any sense, me neither

[opiobsessed]

I see how that could be with the tylenol, I usually do a cold water on them by taking a fine shirt and dissolving a few vicodin in a small cup of cold water and then filter it once through the shirt, I know that gets most of the unwanted out of there but don't we lose some good hydro when we do that? or is it not much to even worry about considering the liver damage? I remember way back a year ago before I even knew about cold water extraction. I could take 10/500 watsons throughout the day and not have a problem, however after a week of taking like 14 pills a day, one day I might have a bad day where I would start feeling sick just like when you have a hangover and eventually I would puke and that would be that. I am sure its all the tylenol because when I was in the hospital recently, they started giving me morphine shots for pain every 3 hours, only 2 measly mg but still I never puked or got sick at all even though they gave it to me like 17 or less hours after I took suboxone. Heck the nurses know so little about sub that they came in an hour after giving me a morphine shot and tried to give me the suboxone and I said woa no, I can't take that now, you have to confirm that with my doc which they did and wow was that scary to know they know so little.

[ValiumSoup]

I see how that could be with the tylenol, I usually do a cold water on them by taking a fine shirt and dissolving a few vicodin in a small cup of cold water and then filter it once through the shirt, I know that gets most of the unwanted out of there but don't we lose some good hydro when we do that? or is it not much to even worry about considering the liver damage? I remember way back a year ago before I even knew about cold water extraction. I could take 10/500 watsons throughout the day and not have a problem, however after a week of taking like 14 pills a day, one day I might have a bad day where I would start feeling sick just like when you have a hangover and eventually I would puke and that would be that. I am sure its all the tylenol because when I was in the hospital recently, they started giving me morphine shots for pain every 3 hours, only 2 measly mg but still I never puked or got sick at all even though they gave it to me like 17 or less hours after I took suboxone. Heck the nurses know so little about sub that they came in an hour after giving me a morphine shot and tried to give me the suboxone and I said woa no, I can't take that now, you have to confirm that with my doc which they did and wow was that scary to know they know so little.

Not to be a smart ass, and to stop you from waste....Use 2 glasses, i use pyrex mesuring cups and a large bowl.

In the large bown use crushed Ice with salk or rock salt, to lower temp, crush the said drugs ad them to slight warm to room temp water, until you have a saturated solution, IE: no more will disolve.

Then ad this glass container into you Ice Bath, again off top of my head the correct emp escapes me, but its common sense, you will see the seperation leave it in there at least 25-30 mins.

Then strain thru a coffee filter or cheese cloth, dont toss the water nor filter you can reextract a little more out if you feel like it or bored by repeating the same thing onlly this time with the solids and the filter not the cold extracted water.

From there you can pour the extracted solution into something..(I use a pyrex glass pie pan and have patience,,,and a fan and warm area, end result powder form...or ya can do like me drink the shit lol.

Hope this helped.

-VS

[shaunclo]

Opio, when you go on a little binge, you have to start slow buddy!! Just becuase you were taking that many when you quit doesnt mean you should take that many when you start back up again. Tak only a couple and see how that works. You puked becuase your body was over-flown with too much acetiminiphen and hydrocodone. You cannot go right back to your dose your were at. Start with a couple and go on after a couple of hours. This way your not throwing away a shit load of your stash and you dont puke up half of your dose. Hope that makes sense.

This is one reason why people OD when they go on a binge after being clean from a full agaonist. They think they can take as many as they were doing beofre they quit. This is not true. Start off slow just like you would when you first started on hydro. Also, you dont want your tolerance shooting up there right away either.