Are you glad H was discovered/invented? [Archive]

Papa Verine

09-09-2008, 08:47 AM

I think the ups are so good it's worth it to have to suffer sometimes. I don't regret ever doing it. If I was in a situation where I could NOT stop and was out of control and getting locked up all the time I might think differently about it. But I can control myself somewhat these days so I don't think it's such a bad thing.

I've only done a couple bags in the past few months. Other then those I've been drinking poppy tea and getting by. If any dope falls into my lap I'm sure as fuck going to do it. I just haven't been trying to get any. If I wasn't drinking so much tea every day I could actually call myself a chipper.

rockbottom

09-09-2008, 09:19 AM

i've always liked it--mostly up only a couple ct's--when i had good jobs-i usually did 3 rushes aday--youknow the morning--lunch breakand after work then switch to beer-it never ruined all my money-icould afford 3 aday--legalize it tax it and get the fuck out of my life:rolleyes:

bored in sofl

09-09-2008, 09:25 AM

the only down is when u run out or u have to commit a crime to pay for your habit cause it's so expensive from it being illegal

samsong

09-09-2008, 11:39 AM

frankie

09-09-2008, 12:08 PM

I hope you don't mind me replying since i am not a heroin user but i have to say when i get sick from not having my oxy's or morphine, it's a living nightmare and i remember a few years back when the great mayor of our city wanted to close down all the meth clinics. What would happen if there were no methadone and you were broke and had no money to support your habit, you would be sicker than a dog and that is what scares me the most since i get very sick just doing my oxy's or occassional morphine, shit even going without my kpins makes my body shake...and god only knows how much i have sold to buy off the streets because i run out of my scripts only after two and half weeks...

Mayo

09-09-2008, 01:37 PM

Speaking only for and about myself:

The downside grew and the benefit shrunk, so that in the end, I do regret using H.

It is not easy to admit that a drug beat me, but it finally happened shooting H.

4 days into my last w/d, H arrived and I flushed it, but if it were here today I think I would use it.
Knowing that if I did use it now, it could kill me, this lack of control is a frightening prospect.

Oxy, morphine, nothing else I've shot has this affect on me. I have M now and I don't touch it.
As long as H keeps chasing me, I better be running away.

thesixgun

09-09-2008, 04:11 PM

Oxy, morphine, nothing else I've shot has this affect on me. I have M now and I don't touch it.
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ill take that off your hands!.

this is a tough question. if i never touched it i probably would have been a much more productive human being, and the bridges i burned from sheer disregard of anything and everything because i was too interested in my nod would still be intact.. but if i never touched it, i wouldnt have gotten the best fucking feeling i ever felt for so damn long. there are nights that i was so high and so damn happy to be that way, that i still recall them as some of the fondest memories of my past. im 7 days sober now and pretty much thinking of dope every day every minute but really trying to fight the thoughts. ineed to be clean for a while and get healthy again. i sure hope i can fall asleep one of these days.. hm

ZodiacKiller

09-09-2008, 04:13 PM

Best drug ever, so my answer is yes!

ZK

jonny-5

09-09-2008, 05:23 PM

im glad it was invented its just a shame that the way our society is set up we have to pay in so many ways that we shouldnt have to to do it. honestly id prolly be happy with poppies growing everywhere, and if there wasnt any heroin i wouldnt know what i was missing. but i do have to say that im happy i have experienced the most euphoric things this world has to offer.

SHELLEY

09-09-2008, 07:20 PM

heroin is worth everything i've been through with it
it's not worth losing my kid over though, so i stopped
but if i never got knocked up, i'd still be on that needle
HEROIN IS AWESOME

Tbird921

09-09-2008, 08:24 PM

Yes, I just wish it was legal, and for the person who said the price would go up, it probaly would, but it would be PURE H so in the end it would work out. Think about any other legal things, cigs, booze, both are far less expesive habits then any illegal drug(execpt maybe weed)

dieselbaby

09-09-2008, 10:06 PM

Yes, in my opinion heroin is the best drug in the world. I love the experiences and feelings it has brought me, and the exposure to a total underground culture associated with the drug has given me many fun nights, adventures & stories to tell. There are many ups and downs, but there is nothing quite like being a day or two into withdrawals, puking and sweaty and aching and taking a fat blast, going from sick to high in about 10 seconds and getting that nice taste in the back of your throat that fat shots give you. The aforementioned happened to me yesterday :) <3333333

clinton

09-09-2008, 10:09 PM

would the downside still be there if it was legal?

Narkotikon

09-09-2008, 10:18 PM

Yeah, I'm glad it was invented, because I think the high justifies the end (somewhat). I do think it should be made legal, but I agree that it would be taxed to hell and prices would be just as high if not higher. I do think that would be better, though, because you'd be getting 100% pharmaceutical grade heroin, would know exactly how much you were taking, and would not have to worry about cuts or "bad" bags or overdoses that way.

I do think that if people hadn't isolated morphine from opium that opium would still be legal though. Opium has been used for thousands of years, and it--along with morphine and all other opiates--didn't start to become a "problem" in the eyes of society until chemists started isolating alkaloids and creating new ones. I think some alkaloids in opium mediate the negative effects of other alkaloids, and--taken as a whole--opium is somewhat safer than straight morphine. I also think that opiates wouldn't have been made illegal / controlled if the hypodermic needle and syringe weren't invented. There didn't really start to be a "problem" until the advent of the American Civil War and "Soldier's Disease."

goagirl23

09-09-2008, 10:26 PM

I'd have to say yes I am glad it was discovered... There's been many days where life has just sucked and once I got my shot everything was better or at least I didn't have to dwell on it for an hour or two. I know were not supposed to discuss the medical benefits from it but this morning at around 4am i woke up with a raging migraine...after 2 hours of trying everything but dope I gave in and did a shot and finally fell asleep, I just kept thinking how happy I was that I had that in that moment. I think that if I felt that the bad out weighed the good w/ H id finally find the will power to quit.....I think

Mayo

09-09-2008, 11:54 PM

would the downside still be there if it was legal?

I don't know who you're asking, but for me, yes.

I got strung out eventually. Those who really know what that means know what I'm talking about.
I don't blame the drug, I blame myself.

Heroin is the best drug, and shooting heroin is the best way to take the best drug IMO.
I don't regret that it was ever made.

Bottom line, I have a wife who needs (well, demands) a strong husband.
It may sound stupid, but I owe that to her. Heroin made me weak.
Thats a big reason, there are others, nothing to do with legality tho.

Just my situation. I don't project it on to others who use H. More power to you I say.

God_Albino

09-10-2008, 12:09 AM

the medical benefits from opiates alone outweigh the toll of addiction on a fraction of the population.

i only regret using every day

OxyContinuously

09-10-2008, 10:43 AM

i like it and all, but the shit i go thru when i dont have any is enough to to make me hate it...

i guess with every up there is a down though...

red26

09-10-2008, 11:17 AM

I think of skagg in adoration. I like most drugs but theres a precious few that I absolutely love. Its been my downfall in some ways but in reality, if it was'nt smack it'd be something else.

rcb

09-10-2008, 12:10 PM

The drug itself isn't all that bad, IMO, it's the stigma associated with its use.

If heroin were legal, like alcohol, it would simply be a means to having a great day.

Everything is better high. If i didn't have to worry about what other people thought of my use, or the legal repercussions, there would be no reason to not be high! Sobriety pales in comparison.

IceCold

09-10-2008, 06:38 PM

If heroin were legal it would remove almost all of the negatives associated with heroin use. Also to the poster who said that the price of heroin would go up if it were legal. you are dead wrong buddy Cigarettes are taxed to hell and are still very cheap to use on a daily basis same with booze. If legal pure heroin would probably be like $10 a gram or something like that.

clinton

09-10-2008, 07:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by clinton
would the downside still be there if it was legal?
I don't know who you're asking, but for me, yes.

I got strung out eventually. Those who really know what that means know what I'm talking about.
I don't blame the drug, I blame myself.

Heroin is the best drug, and shooting heroin is the best way to take the best drug IMO.
I don't regret that it was ever made.

Bottom line, I have a wife who needs (well, demands) a strong husband.
It may sound stupid, but I owe that to her. Heroin made me weak.
Thats a big reason, there are others, nothing to do with legality tho.

Just my situation. I don't project it on to others who use H. More power to you I say.

im saying would it still be negative if it was legal in this sense:
you wouldnt have to worry about not being able to score,your
chances of going into w/ds would decline,you wouldnt have to worry about john law and you wouldnt have to worry about buying it from dangerous people in dangerous neighborhoods...
your sick and all you would have to do is walk down to your local walgreens drop twenty bucks to your pharmacist and your good to go...youd have an exact dose and know that its cut with nothing, id imagine the number of ods from heroin would drop dramatically because of this ,rigs would be much easier to get ahold of, clean rigs for all, hepatitis and aids would almost be a non issue in junky circles... im sure there would still be a negative stigma in societies eyes the same way alcoholics are viewed....

if this doesnt make sense i do apologize, i drank my tea a couple of hours ago and potentiated it with tramadol..im feeling quite well..thanks.

Duckfeet

09-10-2008, 10:03 PM

I love it, I hate it...fuck, I mean, *nothing* has ever given me such a wonderful feeling as the slow physical and mental euphoria of injected heroin or dilaudids...but oh what a price I've paid...I just dropped another 4mg in mdone dose today, and it's just that opiates have taken so much of the *rest* of my life... I mean, I love to sail, and once wanted so badly to get away, and always turned around whenever I'd start going somewhere, cuz I knew i'd be kicking...so many stories of love lost or opportunities blown...I mean I get depressed just thinking of'em...

Oh well, doesn't matter all that much, I guess...we bought the ticket...now we gotta take the ride...there's no getting off this merry-go-round ... not really...it's almost like asking me am I glad I was born...yeah, kind of, when it's good here...but sometimes it can really suck, too...but what kind of alternative am I offered...

bored in sofl

09-10-2008, 10:06 PM

great way to put it duck

Narkotikon

09-10-2008, 11:51 PM

If legal pure heroin would probably be like $10 a gram or something like that.

LOL. You've got to be kidding. Think about it. You'd have state, local, and federal taxes. There'd be very strict controls placed on it, even more strict than alcohol and tobacco, and you'd have pharmaceutical companies charging an arm and a leg for a product that they know people can't live without. Sure, it would be safer because it would be pure and you knew what you were injecting / snorting, etc., and there'd be less overdoses because of that, but they would still make it costly enough to make HUGE profits. You might be able to get a dose for five-ten dollars, but a gram? No way in hell. They probably wouldn't even sell it by grams. They'd sell it in single doses. They'd never sell it in canisters like they do coffee or pipe tobacco. You'd probably get a prepackaged syringe filled with one dose of H, or it would be sold in single-use vials. I doubt it would be sold in powder form. It would most likely be sold in solution.

jonny-5

09-10-2008, 11:54 PM

im saying would it still be negative if it was legal in this sense:
you wouldnt have to worry about not being able to score,your
chances of going into w/ds would decline,you wouldnt have to worry about john law and you wouldnt have to worry about buying it from dangerous people in dangerous neighborhoods...
your sick and all you would have to do is walk down to your local walgreens drop twenty bucks to your pharmacist and your good to go...youd have an exact dose and know that its cut with nothing, id imagine the number of ods from heroin would drop dramatically because of this ,rigs would be much easier to get ahold of, clean rigs for all, hepatitis and aids would almost be a non issue in junky circles... im sure there would still be a negative stigma in societies eyes the same way alcoholics are viewed....

if this doesnt make sense i do apologize, i drank my tea a couple of hours ago and potentiated it with tramadol..im feeling quite well..thanks.

it makes plenty sense i was gonna say the same thing. also traveling wouldnt be bad cause you could cop wherever you went with ease. the only thing is tho i get reclusive when im deep in a run, and i think it would still be the same way if it were legal. im definitely not as fun of a person when im doing it all the time, everyone i know has drilled that into my brain.

bored in sofl

09-10-2008, 11:57 PM

jonny-5

09-11-2008, 12:41 AM

^^^ I agree with it being sold in a solution because that would be the cleanest way to get it, but I still think it will be cheaper if legalized not 20a gram maybe cut in half. The mark up on drugs is rediculous. lets say the it does become legalized and it's the same price. Oranized crime would still make a killin on it by not marking there product up so much. Plus there source would be cheaper. And then what would be the point of legalization you would still have all the violence to go with it.

yea for sure, you KNOW that if they legalized it that it would still be sold illegally on the black market. that would be the cheap place to get it, but you d have to sacrifice quality. the only difference would be that it would be legal to possess...but maybe street quality would go up, as they would be trying to compete with pharm grade heroin.

ah well a guy can dream.,

Raz

09-11-2008, 02:18 AM

SynthMorph

09-11-2008, 08:15 AM

LOL. You've got to be kidding. Think about it. You'd have state, local, and federal taxes. There'd be very strict controls placed on it, even more strict than alcohol and tobacco, and you'd have pharmaceutical companies charging an arm and a leg for a product that they know people can't live without. Sure, it would be safer because it would be pure and you knew what you were injecting / snorting, etc., and there'd be less overdoses because of that, but they would still make it costly enough to make HUGE profits. You might be able to get a dose for five-ten dollars, but a gram? No way in hell. They probably wouldn't even sell it by grams. They'd sell it in single doses. They'd never sell it in canisters like they do coffee or pipe tobacco. You'd probably get a prepackaged syringe filled with one dose of H, or it would be sold in single-use vials. I doubt it would be sold in powder form. It would most likely be sold in solution.

You're way off man. First off heroin can't be sold in solution because it quickly turns into morphine. The high price of heroin is because of the risks people have to take to get it here. The price goes up a thousand fold by the time it gets from Afghanistan to America. By the time you get it, you might be shooting 10% heroin and you paid $100 for a gram of that shit which is really only 100mg pure so you're paying $1 per mg. Opium in afghanistan costs about $100 per kilo and heroin about $1000 that works out to a dollar a gram for the morphine in the opium or the straight heroin. Let's say the government wants to make double off it from taxes, then you have $2 per gram. Opium is a cheap abundant substance and making heroin is very easy, its the illegal nature that keeps the costs up. It would be the same price as morphine powder and morphine powder today at the pharmacy is very cheap. It's turing the shit into pills and liquids that makes the money.

To answer the original question am I gald H was invented, couldn't really care because natural morphine is just as good.

SurfRat

09-11-2008, 09:27 AM

For Heroin itself, without the medical, pain killing aspect?

If good iv quality morphine was available, because as it is now, usable morphine is not that easy to get. But assuming all the precursor morphine became available...

It's hard to say but you would kind of figure people wouldn't od so easily.

Is the rush of Heroin worth all the people who have died?

I mean the idealistic side of me says, whatever, if you can make, and sell it, then go ahead.

And as an individual, I say sure why not.

But from an overall society/social viewpoint, not so sure.

Narkotikon

09-11-2008, 04:15 PM

You're way off man. First off heroin can't be sold in solution because it quickly turns into morphine. The high price of heroin is because of the risks people have to take to get it here. The price goes up a thousand fold by the time it gets from Afghanistan to America. By the time you get it, you might be shooting 10% heroin and you paid $100 for a gram of that shit which is really only 100mg pure so you're paying $1 per mg. Opium in afghanistan costs about $100 per kilo and heroin about $1000 that works out to a dollar a gram for the morphine in the opium or the straight heroin. Let's say the government wants to make double off it from taxes, then you have $2 per gram. Opium is a cheap abundant substance and making heroin is very easy, its the illegal nature that keeps the costs up. It would be the same price as morphine powder and morphine powder today at the pharmacy is very cheap. It's turing the shit into pills and liquids that makes the money.

To answer the original question am I gald H was invented, couldn't really care because natural morphine is just as good.

I understand that opium is a cheap, abundant substance. What I'm saying is that because of the high risk of addiction, and the probable campaigns to reduce addiction / use if it was made legal (anti-H drug campaigns to prevent new people from trying it if it were made legal) that the taxes would increase the price. Think of alcohol and tobacco. They're taxed heavily to pay for anti-smoking / alcohol campaigns. Plus, I'm sure a portion of proceeds would go to substance abuse treatment, for those people who still want to quit even though it was made legal. And, I don't care if it is cheap to produce, you know that a pharmaceutical company would somehow justify making it at least somewhat expensive to make profits for them. I'm sure that oxymorphone, or buprenorphine, or a lot of other drugs shouldn't be as expensive as they are, but they are because it's a capitalist society and the pharmaceutical companies can charge that much because they know they can. It would be the same thing with legalized heroin.

And it most certainly can be sold in solution. Think about pharmaceutical grade diamorphine sold by pharmaceutical companies in the UK and other European countries. Haven't you seen those pics of diamorphine vials? That's heroin in solution. If it reverted to morphine / went bad, I don't think they'd sell it like that.

All of this is moot anyway. They're never going to legalize heroin. I just don't think that if they did, that it would be this cheap, 99 cent drug that would be available. It would definitely be just as expensive, if not more per dose. But again, the fact that it would be pharm grade and without impurities would justify that in my mind. I'd have no probem paying $100 for a gram of pure H. I do have a problem for paying that much for cut shit though.

SynthMorph

09-11-2008, 04:26 PM

Narkotikon

09-11-2008, 04:40 PM

Well the thing with pharmaceutical companies charging so much for lets say oxycontin is because they hold the patent for a time released pill containing oxycodone. They have no patent over oxycodone or any other opiate in natural form. Oxycodone powder is very cheap as well. Its the fact that Purdue Pharma put a monopoly on time released pills containing oxycodone that they are so expensive. I'm sure they would be taxed but to say they would be the same price or more is absurd. It would get down to the capitalist spirit and companies would compete with each other and the price would go down. Diacetylmorphine is public domain so there are no patents to be held by one company. And if that did happen because its legal it could just be ordered from other countries where its abundant. Think it through, farmers would start growing poppies, opium, morphine and heroin would be everywhere. You could plant a field yourself. The price would plummet. Those vials of heroin are powder heroin in a vial. Heroin in water turns into morphine very quickly. Take a look at those pictures again, you'll see there is white powder in the bottom, no water.

Somehow I doubt that if it were legalized, that they would not put limitations on who could produce it. Just because something is legalized, doesn't mean anyone can produce it. For instance, you have to have a license to produce alcohol of certain purities. I doubt the general public would be able to produce their own heroin by growing poppy fields.

Second of all, another reason it would be sold in solution would be because the main reason for legalization would be crime reduction and harm reduction, and I don't think the government would allow people to make their own solutions with powdered H, because I'm sure not everyone is going to do it properly. I still think they'd sell it in solution because it would be sterile and have a reduced risk of contamination, whereas people cooking up their own solutions with powdered H would still have the risk of health hazards. I'm not saying the solution wouldn't have a short shelf life, but I'm sure that it would be sold in solution to reduce risks. What's more probable: selling pre-made, sterile, one-use syringes pre-filled with heroin, or even one-use vials of heroin; or selling heroin powder to have anyone and everyone cook up their own? And if it did go bad, then how did they get around putting heroin in OTC cough syrups / tooth drops / soothing syrups before 1914? I grant you the fact that it may go bad (I've never heard that, but I'm willing to grant you that), but just because heroin hydrochloride may revert back to morphine in solution, doesn't mean another form of heroin wouldn't. And, like I said, it may just be that it would have a short shelf-life.

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be a reduction in prices because of competition, I just think that because of all the restrictions placed on it, it would be taxed to death and that the price would still remain the same (at least).

SynthMorph

09-11-2008, 05:03 PM

Somehow I doubt that if it were legalized, that they would not put limitations on who could produce it. Just because something is legalized, doesn't mean anyone can produce it. For instance, you have to have a license to produce alcohol of certain purities. I doubt the general public would be able to produce their own heroin by growing poppy fields.

Second of all, another reason it would be sold in solution would be because the main reason for legalization would be crime reduction and harm reduction, and I don't think the government would allow people to make their own solutions with powdered H, because I'm sure not everyone is going to do it properly. I still think they'd sell it in solution because it would be sterile and have a reduced risk of contamination, whereas people cooking up their own solutions with powdered H would still have the risk of health hazards. I'm not saying the solution wouldn't have a short shelf life, but I'm sure that it would be sold in solution to reduce risks. What's more probable: selling pre-made, sterile, one-use syringes pre-filled with heroin, or even one-use vials of heroin; or selling heroin powder to have anyone and everyone cook up their own? And if it did go bad, then how did they get around putting heroin in OTC cough syrups / tooth drops / soothing syrups before 1914? I grant you the fact that it may go bad (I've never heard that, but I'm willing to grant you that), but just because heroin hydrochloride may revert back to morphine in solution, doesn't mean another form of heroin wouldn't. And, like I said, it may just be that it would have a short shelf-life.

I'm not saying that there wouldn't be a reduction in prices because of competition, I just think that because of all the restrictions placed on it, it would be taxed to death and that the price would still remain the same (at least).

"Results showed that di-acetyl morphine immediately started to decay to mono-acetyl morphine in implanted Synchromed pumps with half-life of 50 days. Mono-acetyl morphine decayed to morphine with a maxima estimated at 125 days."

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118801857/abstract

In places where diamorphine is legal and diamorphine maintenance in England they give the patients a glass diamorphine ampule with heroin powder in it. Trust me, ask Nick if you don't believe me. All you have to do is look back in time when morphine and heroin were totally legal. They sold it in powder, and many other various forms. The same would happen here if it were re-lagalized. Sterile water is available at pharmacies as is, to think people couldn't make their own shots is a little ridiculous. Once it were re-legalized, growing poppies wouldn't be a fear of anyone that wants to try it. It would be done like people that make their own alcohol today.

red26

09-11-2008, 05:25 PM

yea for sure, you KNOW that if they legalized it that it would still be sold illegally on the black market. that would be the cheap place to get it, but you d have to sacrifice quality. the only difference would be that it would be legal to possess...but maybe street quality would go up, as they would be trying to compete with pharm grade heroin.

ah well a guy can dream., Hell yeah it would be sold on the black market still.. People would buy large quantities of it, cut it, and sell it a few bucks cheaper than OTC. Just think moonshiners. Just like you said jonnyboy. I dont think the Q would go down that much tho. Kinda like a casino how they always have the edge on you but make sure you're comfortable while they're taking your money.

LorTabitha

09-11-2008, 05:26 PM

That's heroin in solution. If it reverted to morphine / went bad, I don't think they'd sell it like that.

Okay, I have a stupid question. :confused- What is the difference between morphine and heroin? (Not the chemical difference, although that is part of it, obviously.) I mean, what is the difference in how they affect you/make you feel? Why is one preferred over another? (I've heard of people preferring morphine to heroin and vice versa.)

Since I'm only familiar with pharms and pods, I don't know much about heroin, other than what I read here. Thanks for any help with my question. :D

SynthMorph

09-11-2008, 05:37 PM

Okay, I have a stupid question. :confused- What is the difference between morphine and heroin? (Not the chemical difference, although that is part of it, obviously.) I mean, what is the difference in how they affect you/make you feel? Why is one preferred over another? (I've heard of people preferring morphine to heroin and vice versa.)

Since I'm only familiar with pharms and pods, I don't know much about heroin, other than what I read here. Thanks for any help with my question. :D

Heroin aka diacetylmorphine is inactive itself for the most part, its metabolites are 6-monoacetylmorphine and morphine and its a more efficient vehicle for getting morphine into the brain. So the main difference is 6-monoacetylmorphine(6-MAM) which is stronger than morphine, effects slightly different opiate receptors, has less side effects, has bettter bioavailability and kicks in faster. 6-MAM is 4-6x stronger than morphine, heroin is only 1.8x stronger than morphine. When heroin gets into the body it turns into 6-MAM as it passes through the brain, this 6-MAM lasts for about an hour and then turns into morphine. So after an hour, the heroin and morphine high are the same thing. The heroin high is more sedating than a straight morphine high and also when you inject heroin you don't get the strong pins and needles feeling morphine has. So to sum it up morphine has a different rush and is more stimulating than heroin. Heroin is stronger, lasts slightly longer and has less side effects than morphine. Morphine is less addictive.

jonny-5

09-11-2008, 06:26 PM

basically when you shoot heroin youre shooting morphine but it gets into your brain 3x as fast, so you get a rush. theres more to it than that but thats i think what youre looking for lortabitha.

AmblerG

09-11-2008, 06:56 PM

It should be legal, all ups no downs, straigt the fuck up!
hell yeah!!!! no cuts!!!

there should be some chemical in the near future which eliminates tolerance and w/ds. honestly it shouldnt be that hard to create/discover. there has to be some shit that make you have no tolerance, and like have effects last like 8 hours. real shit. chemists gotta get on that!!!
how nice would that be??

rcb

09-12-2008, 11:03 AM

^^Not sure that would be possible without some reliance on another drug. The brain really doesn't work that way..

robojunkie

09-12-2008, 06:00 PM

If they legalize it the price is going to go up, not down. They will put huge taxes on it just like cigarettes, and they will set what the bottom pricing will be just like they do with booze. Ever notice why booze costs almost the exact same price no matter where you go--not talking about bars and clubs, but at liquor stores--it is because the government has set a minimum price for it with the wholesalers. Booze is regulated, and so will dope if they legalize it. I would prefer they keep it illegal but keep reduce the punishment to a midemeanor and you just pay a fine if you get caught, like if you get caught smoking joint--mail in fine for $25 or something like that

First I disagree as it is generic and no matter what tax would be placed on it I can't fathom it coming out around 2 or 3 dollars per milligram (pure). It is only worth wholesale about a dollar a gram if that. Not to mention like alcohol, we could all "grow our own" and order our Acetic Anhydride "home brew" kit, complete with Calcium hydroxide and ammonium chloride.

Not to mention the fact that I despise being judged to be a criminal for exercising my God given right to self medicate responsibly. Tyranny of the majority can go fuck itself just like any other tyranny when it crosses my autonomy.

Don't Fucking Tread On Me! Familiar phrase from the American Revolution, very relevant to our status as the last legally ostracized and persecuted (as well as other substance users) minority in this country. DEA, Controlled Substance Act, UN Single Convention, I say fuck you, I refute it thusly (stubs toe)!

It is my life's goal to see that I can do everything peaceful and positive possible to break the back of drug prohibition! When the righteous stand up for themselves and others, the weak and tyrannical crumble before true justice and courage. The signs of change are all around us, needle exchange, heroin clinics, other underground activities, all unimaginable in the dark days of Just Say No and ignore all the AIDS deaths. I will never again stand for or tolerate any persecution or discrimination based on my status as a junky. Believe that!

Ron-Doe

09-14-2008, 07:18 AM

i'm glad h is around, just upset about the price.

AmblerG

09-14-2008, 09:54 AM

if it was decriminalized, and there was usp grade pure diamorphine,there isnt much competition to be had except for price.

turdkenedy

09-16-2008, 07:57 AM

it will never and should never be legalized... it should be decriminalized if anything

the war on drugs is fucking backwards

LorTabitha

09-16-2008, 11:08 AM

it will never and should never be legalized...

Please elaborate....

butane

09-16-2008, 03:26 PM

I think we should legalize it and tax it like cigarettes. Seems reasonable. Our state cigarette sales tax goes to the SD Quits program, why couldn't the same thing happen with opiates?

jonny-5

09-16-2008, 03:36 PM

I think we should legalize it and tax it like cigarettes. Seems reasonable. Our state cigarette sales tax goes to the SD Quits program, why couldn't the same thing happen with opiates?

it would be nice. i dont think too many people here will argue with you on that one.

poppy

09-16-2008, 04:36 PM

But I can control myself somewhat these days so I don't think it's such a bad thing.
aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh control!!!!!!!! I remember when I thought i could control h. The sooner u realize that h is not a drug u can control, the better. I speak from experience, in the last ten years i have buried too many friends without going into the impact h has had on my own life and that off my teenage sons. AnywayI just got home from burying yet another friend (a 42 year old mom of 2 teenage sons), courtesy of our lady heroin. Not an overdose but TB, a disease that had she not been so run down physically from her heroin addiction she would have been able 2 fight. REST IN PEACE HELEN
Heroin is not a drug u can control, in the short term it is just too nice to just use on a friday nite, once u get the taste u want to feel like that all the time and thats the b eginnning of the end.
Be careful!!!

AmblerG

09-16-2008, 09:00 PM

aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh control!!!!!!!! I remember when I thought i could control h. The sooner u realize that h is not a drug u can control, the better. I speak from experience, in the last ten years i have buried too many friends without going into the impact h has had on my own life and that off my teenage sons. AnywayI just got home from burying yet another friend (a 42 year old mom of 2 teenage sons), courtesy of our lady heroin. Not an overdose but TB, a disease that had she not been so run down physically from her heroin addiction she would have been able 2 fight. REST IN PEACE HELEN
Heroin is not a drug u can control, in the short term it is just too nice to just use on a friday nite, once u get the taste u want to feel like that all the time and thats the b eginnning of the end.
Be careful!!!

I agree with many aspects and points you made but, humans can control diamorphine (opiates in general, also) use. I mean its definitely been done, it can be hard as a motha f- but its been done. chippers.

I believe I can still control my relationship with lady (dia) morphine.

My condolences to your fallen relatives and friends.

Narkotikon

09-16-2008, 11:14 PM

"Results showed that di-acetyl morphine immediately started to decay to mono-acetyl morphine in implanted Synchromed pumps with half-life of 50 days. Mono-acetyl morphine decayed to morphine with a maxima estimated at 125 days."

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118801857/abstract

In places where diamorphine is legal and diamorphine maintenance in England they give the patients a glass diamorphine ampule with heroin powder in it. Trust me, ask Nick if you don't believe me. All you have to do is look back in time when morphine and heroin were totally legal. They sold it in powder, and many other various forms. The same would happen here if it were re-lagalized. Sterile water is available at pharmacies as is, to think people couldn't make their own shots is a little ridiculous. Once it were re-legalized, growing poppies wouldn't be a fear of anyone that wants to try it. It would be done like people that make their own alcohol today.

I stand corrected. I believe you. I still don't think legalized heroin would be dirt-cheap, but I conceed on the other stuff. We can still disagree on the costs. I don't want to argue.

Hiram

09-16-2008, 11:38 PM

I agree with many aspects and points you made but, humans can control diamorphine (opiates in general, also) use. I mean its definitely been done, it can be hard as a motha f- but its been done. chippers.
I believe I can still control my relationship with lady (dia) morphine.
My condolences to your fallen relatives and friends.

Chipping is possible. The odds aren't favorable though. Many addicts before you had the same opinion. The days in between runs can get closer and closer in a hurry depending on availability. Stay well on your journey and good luck.

limestoneman

09-23-2008, 08:02 AM

I'm more glad that it's cheap and available. If I could get super cheap IV morphine solution instead, I'd be just as happy.

Duckfeet

09-23-2008, 09:52 AM

...and on the "morphine is just heroin once it's in yer body" deal...I'd been told that all my life, and I know chemically it's shown to be true...but there is damn sure something else that accompanies real heroin, and I'll go to my grave believing it...because I've had pharmaceutical morphine time and time again, and get the "itchies" and pain relief...but never, ever, the euphoria that accompanies even decent street heroin....

and people who didn't do dope said "it's just in yer head, it's all the same thing..." No, it isn't, and maybe some more chemically savvy Opy can explain the difference...my limited knowledge makes me that something that happens, while it's *becoming* morphine in my bod, is what produces that life-giving euphoria that only heroin produces(and sometimes dilaudid) starting in my belly, and heads right up my spine to my brain....

OxyContinuously

09-23-2008, 10:00 AM

i agree, df

i know all the metabolism stuff, like u were discussing, and i also have done pure morphine, and obviously not pure, but *damn good* heroin, and i'll tell you, the two are similar in the sense that they're both opiates, and the general feeling is similar (and this can be said of ALL opiates) but with heroin,, there just seems to be that extra *flavor,* you know, that kick that morphine could never deliver...

turdkenedy

09-23-2008, 11:03 AM

Please elaborate....
to legalize is to condone it.

ciggerettes and alcohol are legal and they kill ridicululously large amounts of people and burden society while people are getting filthy rich off of peoples addictions... its not right.
heroin is arguably alot more dangerous and marganalized and therefore will first off never be legalized by any sane government, however if it was decrimilized people who are addicted to it could be treated as people in need of help as opposed to be thrown in jail where they only perpetuate a life of crime and a burden on society.

however, the war on drugs in america is probably going to continue because the people in power are getting rich off it. the cia helps smuggle drugs into this country, our prisons are privatized and recieve 20,000 dollars from our government for every person in jail, meanwhile all the police officers and dea agents are making a living off busting scum bag drug users. its really just a matter of self interest, and these people have alot of lobbying power in the government, which is why the war on drugs will continue although it is a massive failure and burden on society