tar question

[thesixgun]

hey yall. lived in NY all my life and banged god knows how many kilos of powder dope.. but im movin to longbeach ca pretty soon and i never done tar.. just kinda wondering how do you know how much youre doin? as far as i know you just get a chunk of it.. and you break off peices to your discretion? just dont wanna have a bad experience right away. payycee

[red26]

Take it easy with the tar. It used to be pretty lame but it's gotten stronger over the last few years and sometimes its pushing 80%. I have a friend in So.Cal and this was his problem with tar as well. It was so bad for a while he just switched to pods, for say, about 2 years. Last I heard from him its been REALLY strong.
You basically already know what the deal with it is as far as what it is and how to divy it up from yer post but I cant stress how careful you should be, especially if they tell you to be careful with it. Just break off a small piece or cut it off if its too sticky. Too mant times did I waste a shot on my fingers just cuz I did'nt have anything to scrape it with.

[RobotJones]

It's definitely true that there's some extra potent tar out there now. I started using with tar 8 years ago and then overnight it seemed all the tar in my area (STL) just disappeared and white dope was left in its place. About 2 months ago my dealer got stood up on his chicago re-up and had to find a back-up source. It was tar and so the first time I fixed, I used the amount I normally used from way back when. I was sitting in my chair at the computer and shot up in the wrist. Next thing I know I woke up lying on the ground with the needle sticking out of my thigh! And it was 2 hours later. It was definitely the best tar I'd ever had.

Just be careful out there.

[SHELLEY]

how do you figure out how much powder dope to shoot at once?
you do a test shot with a small amount, right?
then from how that feels, you can figure out if you need more or less or that same amount
and you follow that standard with that specific dope
you find a new and different kind of dope, you repeat the small-test-shot process

the process should be no different with tar dope, as far as i know
small test shot, up the dose if deemed necessary
actually its the same process when banging anything- brown dope, tar, coke, meth, oxycontin, etc
have a taste and go from there

[The_Highwayman]

I always had this question also, I used to get always bags of china white and knew ( as far as a junkie can know from bag to bag) how much to do with each shot for whatever purpose the occasion or situation aroused..anyway when I would see movies with people buying a big baggie or something like that (pulp fiction) comes to mind I couldnl;t figure out how much I would use...I would regulate my doses by 1 bag, 2 bags, 4 bags, etc, and I never really paid attention to the volume when I had it in the cooker, etc...I was going to head out Vegas for a vaction and I know they have tar out there and was wondering what I was going to do if i scored some tar..but I don't think I'll be heading out there anytime soon, also I won't be using anything if I do go out there.....

[Duckfeet]

Yeah, it's all so different, and of course, always start by doing *less* than you think you need, the first time...as some overdoses are final.

But otherwise I hope your experience is different than mine: I found that tar, no matter *how* potent, doesn't give me near the euphoria that NE heroin does. And I've gone out a couple of times on tar, didn't overdose, but did too much, and didn't know who I was, or where I was, and just kept walking around, and rubbing ice on my nuts, until it passed..

And I thought maybe it was just me, but a friend twice sent me dope from up Baltimore way, and it was immediately noticable, w/that old euphoric rush that I love so much...and I've had tar that did the same thing, up Chicago way...but never out here...

So, again, I hope you find it totally different than I did, and just chalk it up too many years in the game, for me, but as it stands, I think really poorly of Mexican Mud ... of course, that made it easier to get on methadone, when the time came... If I'd been back east, I wouldn'a stopped until I heard the clang of the jailhouse door...

*Also!*: be careful w/misses and such: this stuff is a lot harder on surrounding tissue, and it seems to harden the veins a lot quicker too...sorry I don't have better tidings, and maybe up L.A. was is better than down here: I've always found that dope near the border is second rate, anyway...

[red26]

*Also!*: be careful w/misses and such: this stuff is a lot harder on surrounding tissue, and it seems to harden the veins a lot quicker too...sorry I don't have better tidings, and maybe up L.A. was is better than down here: I've always found that dope near the border is second rate, anyway... Yeah this is so true. I spiked in the same spot for about 6 months and one day when I put the rig in CRUNCH!!! I felt it in my vein AND thru the rig. It freaked me right the fuck out. Imagine pushing a rig thru a chocolate chip cookie. Thats what it felt like. Being that I used to have such a huge habit with tar I notice now that if Im on a small run and been slammin in the same place it starts to get stiff for about 3-4 inchs up and down from where I usually spike. I do rotate sites however, but even tho I do and still have a favorite place it happens.

[jonny-5]

theres good and bad tar out here. some of the good stuff is really good and most of the bad stuff is really bad. theres not much in between. its best to always start small and increase.

just as you would do if you had taken a break for a few months and then started slamming again.

[red26]

A good way to test tar is chasing the dragon. I gotta say, with tar it really does taste good. At least it does to me anyway. At least you could get a loose idea of the potency.

[chinaski]

hey yall. lived in NY all my life and banged god knows how many kilos of powder dope.. but im movin to longbeach ca pretty soon and i never done tar.. just kinda wondering how do you know how much youre doin? as far as i know you just get a chunk of it.. and you break off peices to your discretion? just dont wanna have a bad experience right away. payycee


Hey sixgun...
Like many have already said the only way you can know about tar is with a test shot. Some of it is absolutely nothing and some will rock your ass. Apparently all of it will fuck your veins but I guess
I didn't do enough yet to cause that...

This thread got me curious though -- in san francisco we have a pretty thriving oxy trade (won't tell anyone WHERE!).... does that go down in NYC? You prolly don't care about it if your're into dope, oxy is a rip off, relatively speaking.. but it is consistent.

chinaski

[thesixgun]

hey thanks everyone. yea i guess test shots are the only way to go.. like was said, i would always just measure my shots by the bag.. definitely makes it alot easier.

Hey sixgun...
Like many have already said the only way you can know about tar is with a test shot. Some of it is absolutely nothing and some will rock your ass. Apparently all of it will fuck your veins but I guess
I didn't do enough yet to cause that...

This thread got me curious though -- in san francisco we have a pretty thriving oxy trade (won't tell anyone WHERE!).... does that go down in NYC? You prolly don't care about it if your're into dope, oxy is a rip off, relatively speaking.. but it is consistent.

chinaski

actually since my dealer and several others around town, and their source got pinched about 3 months ago, it really fucked up everything and its been impossible to get anything, i keep getting ripped off from shady ass kids that say theyre gonna get me shit and then never answer their phones and have my money. i know where the kid who ripped me off last night lives though so that shouldnt be a problem.
anyway since its been impossible tto find dope for me, ive been messin around with oxys alot more, seems alot easier to get. but this isnt nyc were talkin about, its long island. i like when the fella has the roxi 30's though.. mix up simple as shit and the rush seems better. word!

[jonny-5]

well if you usually measure by the bag then ill tell you the average 20 in LA is supposed to be .25, usually .2 or .3...so its roughly equivalent to 2-3 bags, which in my dope ventures on the east coast i have found to be pretty accurate. but different tar is different strengths so still do a test shot. plus in some places youre gonna get less for 20 bux and in some places more. just be careful and start small.

[thesixgun]

when I would see movies with people buying a big baggie or something like that (pulp fiction) comes to mind I couldnl;t figure out how much I would use...

yea i always wondered that when i saw that part.
i just finished watching "Before the Devil Knows your Dead".. anyone catch that flick? phillip seymour hoffman is goin to this millionaire style columbus circle lookin area apartment dope dealer..
has anyone ever been lucky enough to find dealers like this or do they not actually exist and im too stuck in movieland.

[dieselbaby]

actually since my dealer and several others around town, and their source got pinched about 3 months ago, it really fucked up everything and its been impossible to get anything, i keep getting ripped off from shady ass kids that say theyre gonna get me shit and then never answer their phones and have my money. i know where the kid who ripped me off last night lives though so that shouldnt be a problem.
anyway since its been impossible tto find dope for me, ive been messin around with oxys alot more, seems alot easier to get. but this isnt nyc were talkin about, its long island. i like when the fella has the roxi 30's though.. mix up simple as shit and the rush seems better. word!

Dude, just drive to Brooklyn or even better, Jersey (Newark/Paterson). 6 bucks a bag (60 a bundle) for some of the best heroin in the world and you're going to waste that cash on oxy? I'm from Long Island, Nassau County, and I wish so badly that I was there right now so I could go cop like I'm used to. Shooting pills is really bad for your veins too. Stop fucking with the stupid suburban kids who have no real connects and hit the streets to find your own source. Get a number from a dope spot and you'll be set, they want your business, not to rip you off.

[odd]

Well in the Bay Area, $15 or $20 gets you a "half gram" it's about the size of a pea. Quality depends, like everyone said, take a sample and see how you feel. You can see how fucked up the cut is after you cook it. If there is a shiny sheen on top, it's cut with coffee. If you get stuff that cannot cook up, filter it twice.

Good tar will cook down nicely, bad shit you have to constantly reheat it to break down. That is all I can really offer. Be safe. Filter, Filter, Filter :)

[monkeyphunk]

hey yall. lived in NY all my life and banged god knows how many kilos of powder dope.. but im movin to longbeach ca pretty soon and i never done tar.. just kinda wondering how do you know how much youre doin? as far as i know you just get a chunk of it.. and you break off peices to your discretion? just dont wanna have a bad experience right away. payycee
6g i had the same issue when i came to the west coast at first id sit there weighin it to .2-.25 so it was like two two and a half bags ny dope but now i just get a gram split it in half then split the halfs in half ill tell you first couple of times tar is something but now truthfully i wish i had a kilo of some good esat coast powder



Yeah, it's all so different, and of course, always start by doing *less* than you think you need, the first time...as some overdoses are final.

But otherwise I hope your experience is different than mine: I found that tar, no matter *how* potent, doesn't give me near the euphoria that NE heroin does. And I've gone out a couple of times on tar, didn't overdose, but did too much, and didn't know who I was, or where I was, and just kept walking around, and rubbing ice on my nuts, until it passed..

And I thought maybe it was just me, but a friend twice sent me dope from up Baltimore way, and it was immediately noticable, w/that old euphoric rush that I love so much...and I've had tar that did the same thing, up Chicago way...but never out here...

So, again, I hope you find it totally different than I did, and just chalk it up too many years in the game, for me, but as it stands, I think really poorly of Mexican Mud ... of course, that made it easier to get on methadone, when the time came... If I'd been back east, I wouldn'a stopped until I heard the clang of the jailhouse door...

*Also!*: be careful w/misses and such: this stuff is a lot harder on surrounding tissue, and it seems to harden the veins a lot quicker too...sorry I don't have better tidings, and maybe up L.A. was is better than down here: I've always found that dope near the border is second rate, anyway...
"RUBBIN ICE ON MY NUTS" fuck thats classic with tar nutsonfire

[candy]

sixgun
I think it really depends on who you get it from. I actually live a few miles from Long Beach and from what I know most of what I dealt with came in by way of Mexico. We have had a few scares with bad tar full of bacteria, but I have not heard of anything at this moment. Can give you some directions to needle exchanges if you need them. Our Walgreen's or any pharmacy for that matter does not sell syringes. Unless someones knows of something I don't.
I would go with J-5 advice a bit back....Go slow and see how it goes.
All I have ever done is tar and pretty much used the same few guys. Sometimes I would get some great stuff and other times not as good, but still did the job.
Be well and Welcome to SoCal.