Opiate chippers' opinion on recreational 'done

[clonaze-whammed]

Hey all,

I was just wondering what any opiate chippers out there thought about the 'dreaded juice' as a recreational pastime.

My experiences to date consist of sporadic usage of tramadol,hydro,oxy and H (chased, not Iv'd).
In addition to a neverending cycle of alcohol/benzo binging and abstinence.

This afternoon I sank 30mls of done with a few pints of lager, waited a few hours thereafter and had some dinner, then had a delicious bottle of fleurie red wine, and a further 30 mls of done late this evening. In addition to a relatively small amount of xanax and clonazepam.

Although Ive had an enjoyable day, and definitely have my opie glowing warm blanket on right now, Im still not sure if this particular opiate should be used recreationally, for someone like myself with little tolerance, and in rare circumstances.

Ive copped a much stronger buzz from tramadol in the past, which was prescribed legitimately a few years ago for a back injury, although being my first opiate which 'turned me on', I probably hold a subconcious soft spot for it. But Ive read posts on the board before about some recretional users really enjoying the buzz from done, so I just wanted to find out some more opinions from ocassional opie users like myself. Dont get me wrong, Ive had a fantastic day, but perhaps expected a little more from such a reputedly strong opiod.

Any feedback welcome as always.

[SynthMorph]

If you drank 60 mg with little tolerance, mixed with benzos and alcohol you'd be dead or pretty near. Sounds to me like you got a watered down mix or nothing at all. Trust me when you get real methadone it'll hit you much harder. And for the first time try 20-30mg anymore and it gets dangerous. If tramadol gave you a stronger buzz, that means you got ripped off. You're probably just feeling the alcohol and benzos.

[clonaze-whammed]

If you drank 60 mg with little tolerance, mixed with benzos and alcohol you'd be dead or pretty near. Sounds to me like you got a watered down mix or nothing at all. Trust me when you get real methadone it'll hit you much harder. And for the first time try 20-30mg anymore and it gets dangerous. If tramadol gave you a stronger buzz, that means you got ripped off. You're probably just feeling the alcohol and benzos.

Nah Im pretty sure I wasnt ripped off, it was a friends leftovers from a clinic. Bear in mind that I took 30mls around 1pm, a fruther 15 mls at 6pm, and another 15 at midnight, with meals in between.

I have been smoking quite a bit of H lately, so perhaps my tolerance is stronger than I realise.

Also Ive been on benzos for the mostpart of 3 years, and todays alco/benzo intake was in no way close to my max tolerance as a precaution.

Im extremely familiar with benzo/alco combination - almost daily - and i definitely fell nicely different, with typical signs of opies in my system - urine retention, a genral sense of wellbeing distinct from that of benzo/alco combination. I just expected it to be a little more euphoric.

You still think it was watered? Its a possiblility, I just doubt it higly.

[SynthMorph]

You're talkin millilitres, do you know the exact concentration in milligrams? Because 30 millilitres could only be like 5mg of methadone in there. Yea ,I'm pretty sure it was watered you'd be a coma otherwise, you're claiming your tolerance is not much, so yeah its watered for sure.

[rockbottom]

i used to take benzos and etoh almost daily--got ahold of some halcion and almost died---and believe me i posted about eating300 xanaxin less than2 weeks---also done and benzos are a killer combo---enjoy while u can:cool:

[clonaze-whammed]

You're talkin millilitres, do you know the exact concentration in milligrams? Because 30 millilitres could only be like 5mg of methadone in there. Yea ,I'm pretty sure it was watered you'd be a coma otherwise, you're claiming your tolerance is not much, so yeah its watered for sure.


nah it was juice, still in the bottle from MMT clinic, in mls.
Its certainly a possibility it was watered, and the final 15 mls is only realling setting in now, quite strongly actually, but definitely no cause for concern.

I had 30 mls the previous week, which gave me a nice glow, bit this week i thought with 6 hours in between and substncial meals in between, i figured i could handle a top-up of 15 mls every 6 hours.

The alco/benzo intake is really a negligible factor, due to my usual daily intake of each, today i took substantially less of both.

But perhaps you're right, but im not entirely convinced. Perhaps the H ive been smoking in recent weeks has raised my tolerance, smoking all day for 3 out of the 7 days each week for the past month.

thanks for your reply though, all feedback welcome.

[SynthMorph]

Most clinics label the mg/ml ratio for example, where I used to get it it said 10mg/ml, is there anything like that on the bottle you got? It shouldn't matter how much heroin you've been doing because methadone has an incomplete cross tolerance with other opiates so regardless of tolerance you shouldn't pass 40mg in 24 hours just for safety reasons. The long half life of methadone means it still might kick your ass 12-24 hours from now, you gotta be careful with that shit, its not like other opiates, where dosing every 6 hours is cool with them but not methadone. As far as recreation goes, its a good opiate, just be careful, it doesn't compare to a morphine or heroin high but is good in its own way. I find the methadone high has more energy the first 2-3 hours almost like an amphetamine/opiate followed by a few hours of nodding and than a really shitty toxic feeling to it. Methadone is much more toxic and dangerous than morphine or heroin and the high isn't quite as good quality I find.

[clonaze-whammed]

Most clinics label the mg/ml ratio for example, where I used to get it it said 10mg/ml, is there anything like that on the bottle you got? It shouldn't matter how much heroin you've been doing because methadone has an incomplete cross tolerance with other opiates so regardless of tolerance you shouldn't pass 40mg in 24 hours just for safety reasons. The long half life of methadone means it still might kick your ass 12-24 hours from now, you gotta be careful with that shit, its not like other opiates, where dosing every 6 hours is cool with them but not methadone.

yeah the bottle says 1mg/ml.
So perhaps the final 15 mls at midnight was not such a good idea.

I should probably try to stay awake tonight and watch a few movies, lest i fall asleep and never wake up.
I feel fine now, but I believe you when you say it may kick my ass in 12 hours. I was aware of the 24 hour halflife.

Perhaps an amphetamine of some sort may not be such a bad idea?

thanks.

[SynthMorph]

You'll probably be fine but I've heard too many stories that sound like yours that end in an OD from methadone. They take a certain amount, can't feel it then take more and than bam 6 hours later you have an OD. Just get a sitter, or try to stay awake and go for a walk.

[clonaze-whammed]

You'll probably be fine but I've heard too many stories that sound like yours that end in an OD from methadone. They take a certain amount, can't feel it then take more and than bam 6 hours later you have an OD. Just get a sitter, or try to stay awake and go for a walk.

a sitter is not an option unfortunately.

But thanks so much for your advice SynthMorph, I really think I'll be okay but to be on the safeside I will throw on a couple of dvds and resolve to stay awake for the next few hours.

Shit, now you have me hoping it was watered:confused:.
Dont worry, i'm sure i'll make it through no probs and send ye all a very drowsy post in the morning.

thanks again.

[Mallinckrodt]

yeah the bottle says 1mg/ml.
So perhaps the final 15 mls at midnight was not such a good idea.

I should probably try to stay awake tonight and watch a few movies, lest i fall asleep and never wake up.
I feel fine now, but I believe you when you say it may kick my ass in 12 hours. I was aware of the 24 hour halflife.

Perhaps an amphetamine of some sort may not be such a bad idea?

thanks.

Yeah, 1mg per ml is probably ok but still you should be careful. That's a big dose for your tolerance.

I was going to ask if you are from across the pond because of the way you said "chase" and how you drank a few "pints." The juice over there is nothing like the strong syrup we get here in the US. I've seen it. . .green and almost an entire glass full for one dose. I don't know if that's how it is everywhere over there but I know it's all weaker than ours here.

If you had 60mls of the stuff from my clinic that'd be 600 mgs.

[clonaze-whammed]

Yeah, 1mg per ml is probably ok but still you should be careful. That's a big dose for your tolerance.

I was going to ask if you are from across the pond because of the way you said "chase" and how you drank a few "pints." The juice over there is nothing like the strong syrup we get here in the US. I've seen it. . .green and almost an entire glass full for one dose. I don't know if that's how it is everywhere over there but I know it's all weaker than ours here.

If you had 60mls of the stuff from my clinic that'd be 600 mgs.


I am from across the pond. yeah the 30 mls is a green clear liquid, not too syrupy, around the size of your average shot glass.

I seriously feel fine at the moment, quite splendid actually, but I appreciate that you guys are not shitting me about the possibility of it kicking my ass in hours to come, due to its long half-life.

Any household methods for de-potentiating the affects? (without resorting to anything extreme like naloxone). Some stimulants like caffeine to help me sit through a few dvds without nodding out.

[Inspektahdek]

I use methadone recreationally! I gave up my fent habit and fent itself for a switch to large dose done. I've never been to a clinic and am very fortunate I don't have to go somewhere everyday for my fix. I am a legitimate pain patient on the chronic side :D

[clonaze-whammed]

well thank you all so much for your replies.

I really do appreciate the harm reduction aspect of the board, undoubtedly its greatest asset.

I'll drink a coffee and watch a DVD, then catch a few Z's in a few hours when i think its safe, which Im sure it will be.

Thanks again.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

Well it looks like you've gotten quite a lot of good advice so I don't have much to add. Just be careful. People tend to underestimate methadone and it does sneak up on you. I like the buzz because it's very stable. I don't get super high and then crash. It's more of a constant warm glow. Most people who take it daily lose that feeling but I've been on mmt for two months now and I still feel it. It's not the best thing for recreational use though. I take it for pain.

[clonaze-whammed]

eventually gave in to the heavy nod and was nicely surprised to wake up alive at the other end:)

Still feeling pretty damn good also.

will limit any future recreational doses to 40 mls - thanks all.

[underide]

Hey, mate.
Well, i'm glad you got a nice buzz of it in the end.

The done we get over here in Ireland is 1mg/1ml, so if you get 100mils, you're getting 100mgs of methadone, not like in most places in US where you guys can get 10mg/1ml, making it 1000mgs per 100ml bottle.
I think this is where Synthmorphs concerns came from, right?

Clonnazzewhammed: yeah, i think i would be 100% certain that the phy you've used is not watered down (as you mentioned it did come from a legit source, right). Coming from a legit source it's safe to say that it's not watered.
But you can do Do a little test anyway - spill the rest of what you have (if you have any into another container, shake it up a littl;e, and leave it on the desk or whatever for about 30 minutes. ( you should also be able to see these current-strigy type flows withing the glass)
lass when/if you add water intto it)
If it is watered down, even if it;s just by a few mills) you should be able to see a slight separation from the top downwards- the cleareer layer should appear near the top and that would be water, since our 'done is actually heavier than water and in the presence of it settles on the bottom. This is the way i've been checking my phy when i wasn't too sure of its;' oriogin and it hasn'tt failed me so far. Even if it was watered down - it will not be more that 5-10 extra mils of water - becasue trust me, you would see a clear separation if it was anything more than that. Plus the colour would be much lighter than usual
So , for whatever my words are worth here - i'm pretty damn certain that your 'done was not stepped on, .

Also, don't forget that methadone is radically different on the effect it produces as opposed to anyother short-acting opiates. there is a good chance that you were expecting a little too much out of it this time. plus, a good number of benzo's on board (especially xanax would have meade a hell of a difference the last time yiou did it)

iIt's a common misconception and there can be a good deal of dissaointment some people come to deal with when trying 'done for the first time. it does not have too much of euphoria associated like that which is with any other short-acting opies. That's why even i was a good bit disappointed with the first time i tried 'done. It's is NOTHING like H compared to it's effects in terms of euphoria.
You can get a good nod going, nod doubt about it and a lot of the time it can creep up on you unexpectedly.
Although, at the same time, people who are not on 'done initially can in fact feel it as quite euphoric.

Nonetheless - methadone is a pretty potent opiod and all that said - it should definitely be treated with respect, but as most of us know - the vast majorities of 'done ods occur because there were either other opie sand /or benzo's (or both) in the mix.

Clonazewhammed has a very big benzo tolerance, so i think that played some part in this too. What would normally potentiate the helll out of 'done for you and mne, he is so used to benzo's and alcohol mix that it wasn't as pronounced for him, i presume

well, in a any case i hope you enjoy whatever high comes your way from now on, and still - do be careful, especially with the benzo's.

Anyway - it was very cool to ahve made your aquaintance, clonazzewhammed, and it is a pity i didn't get to know you a bit earlier.

I genuinely wish you all the very best in Autralia, and have a great stop over in Cambodia, just watch your back, mate, coz you know yourself, mate

I'm feeling great right now! and very talkative, lol, for reasons only known to a select few ;)
i know you're busy packing and all, but if you get the chance, log in to msn, i have a few thing i'd like to share with you before you split as well a recipe for a nice afternoon;)


Burt if i don't get to see you again until you leave tomorrow, - Safe journey and safe landing ;)
I'll talk to you soon, i hope.

Cyril

[upstate_007]

I've got no advice or anything. But, I love methadone recreationally. Only when I have a very very small tolerance though.

[Chipper]

I can get away with only less than 10 mg weekly but i still lose sleep on days 4-5.

It still gives me a small buzz at that rate.

[roxi*stardust]

I recently got someone's take homes. It was the 10mg/ml Cherry Solution (Ya right, doesn't taste like Cherry at all) but the clinic did seem to have added a very small amount of water to it. The person's dose wa clearly marked on the bottle, 130mg. At that dose there should have been 13mls in the bottle but there was like 18mls. I know they do dilute doses to discourage IV use. So these doses I got contained 130mg in 18mls of a light red/deep pink solution that tasted EXTREMELY bitter. The bottle was clearly marked with the person's name and the dosage (130mg) but not the concentration. I figured it out to be about 7.2 mg per ml after the clinic added that small amount of water. I should also add that the bottle had an internal seal, you know after you unscrewed the lid there was a seal. Probably could be tampered with easily but you would be able to tell if it was lifted and reapplied.

[DCBA]

For me methadone is a great and stable high when your tolerance is 0 or way down. Very different from other opiates but i find really good for lying around and do nothing, just feel the pleasure waves...

[underide]

Just an FYI:
clonazewhammed have left us all behind for better times ahead,( i hope)

He left for Auistralia last Wednesday with a planned stopover in some other SEA countries

i'm sure he'll be back here soon to provide us with info on his adventures

I wish him well (i know it can be hard trying to settle in a completely different land) but that was entirely his choice and i'm even a little jealous of his determination and having the ball as well as the means to leave his homecountry, all his family and mates behind to build a new life for himself.
I hope everything goes smooth for you, my mate

I wish you all the very best, compadre - get back to us when you get settled..

Your pal - squirrill

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I'm a daily user of Norco and Methadone is my favorite opiate hands down. The effects and duration knock anything outta the park. I've heard pods are like dones?? I GOTTA try some good pods soon..(if this is in fact true) Morphine never did much to me, I guess thats why I've never been to excited to try pods. If they are like a done buzz then I would love to try it!