Propoxyphene question...

[lespaulpower]

So I just aquired a small amount of darvocet. I believe they're 100/650. Keeping in mind the paracetamol, how much should I take for a "pleasant" dose? I have a moderate tolerance and no previous experience with propoxyphene.

I could not find this information using the search tool.

Thanks in advance.

LP

[Papa Verine]

What do you normally take? What drug and how much?

Propoxyphene is weak shit. If you have to take more then 50mg of Hydrocodone to get a pleasant high, forget about it. The high from Propoxyphene is also different, and less enjoyable, even with no tolerance at all.

[lespaulpower]

A regular dose of oxy for me is 80 mg, a regular hydro dose is 40-60 mg.

I haven't used anything except kratom this past week so that could've dropped my tolerance noticably.

[Chicago]

I had a Dr. who wrote me the 10 or the 100mg? or how they go...

I take these over hydro anyday of the week, see people do not no that darvacet is a derivtive of methodone. So ur 1rst 3 doses really won't get you off, but when it starts 2 add up, it really helps.

Back in '03 I went to Atlanta, w/90 darvacets, & 2 clonodine patches on each arm. I was taking 4darvacets at a time 3-4x daily, by the 2nd day i was kool. Only w/d that I had was waking up real early like around 5-6a.m. No sweats but thats the clondine, but I was being told my eyes were rolling back & by looking in the mirror i saw my eye lids half shut.

No hydro's did that 4 me. I would take 10 norco's 10/325 just 2 be ok. Darvacett last up to 8hrs as hydros only 4hrs TOPS............

[lespaulpower]

I've heard It was similar to methadone but didn't know it was a derivative...

I've done a fair amount of dones and it's actually one of my favorites.

I guess I'll start with 2 or 3.

Thanks for the info

[Duckfeet]

Propoxyphene is considered a "cousin" to methadone, and never invited to the family reunion... and is way down on the list of desirable opys, and often on this site people get downright angry if you talk about it in glowing terms....take 4 of them and drink a quart of beer: always worked for me ;-)

[Papa Verine]

I've heard It was similar to methadone but didn't know it was a derivative...

I've done a fair amount of dones and it's actually one of my favorites.

I guess I'll start with 2 or 3.

Thanks for the info

You're not going to get anything from 200mg of Darvocet. It's chemically related to methadone but nowhere near the potency. It's very weak.

I guess what Chicago was saying is that it built up in his system over a couple days. But if you read what he wrote, he took 300-400mg 4X a day and didn't even get out of withdrawals until the second day of dosing like that.

Maybe you'll catch a buzz if you keep taking them, throughout the day.

[jonny-5]

yea its like the abused bastard cousin that they keep chained in the basement and try not to let it out. or somethign like that. i used to use darvon to kick pills, it worked OK, like chi said you gotta take it for a few days. the high, if you get one is different, kinda weird.

[Duckfeet]

Yep: these are strictly for the "no tolerance" crowd. The kind of people who "get a buzz" from two tylenol 3's....

I made quite a bit of money from selling mexican "neopercodans" up in Louisiana, that I"d smuggle across the border...no accounting for taste: I paid 3-4 cents a piece for them, and always got 2-3 three bucks back home. Me, hell, most people knew they were just propoxyphene, but any port in a storm, I guess.....it wasn't like S.Louisiana was rolling in other opys...

[Narkotikon]

If you have a moderate tolerance like you said you do, you can get a somewhat decent buzz if you take 800-1000mg of the propoxyphene, but you should do a CWE to get rid of the APAP. I'm not saying you should take that many, but that's what I did last October and it worked fine. I had a moderate tolerance at that time too. But, it is very weak. Don't expect a nod or anything. They're mainly good for helping in W/D. And everyone is right, the high is different. It's more dissociative in my opinion. Not your typical opiate high. I think propoxyphene is equivalent to APAP in analgesic properties, and 1/5 that of codeine if I'm remembering correctly. Good luck, and if you do take that many, you really need to do a CWE.

[jonny-5]

If you have a moderate tolerance like you said you do, you can get a somewhat decent buzz if you take 800-1000mg of the propoxyphene, but you should do a CWE to get rid of the APAP. I'm not saying you should take that many, but that's what I did last October and it worked fine. I had a moderate tolerance at that time too. But, it is very weak. Don't expect a nod or anything. They're mainly good for helping in W/D. And everyone is right, the high is different. It's more dissociative in my opinion. Not your typical opiate high. I think propoxyphene is equivalent to APAP in analgesic properties, and 1/5 that of codeine if I'm remembering correctly. Good luck, and if you do take that many, you really need to do a CWE.

but keep in mind there are a number of people who have died from as little as 4 times the recommended dose, and it wasnt an overdose it was some other complication, i dont really remember what it was but if you google darvon it will tell you about it.

edit: and by 4x the dose, im talking about 4x a 60mg dose...only 240 mg.

[Duckfeet]

Yep: it was always a slightly strange buzz: "disassociative" is a really good description of it...and I've done way too many of those fuckers...me and my old lady were always running down south to the Mexican border, and she'd dance in this crappy topless bar, and I'd shoot over to this pharmacia and get thousands of these fucking mexican propoxys, and we'd eat like five or six of them several times a day, and it would get rid of our withdrawals, and tho many argue the point, we would get strung out on them...and some baseball player actually got busted back then, smuggling them across the border...but this was in the days before oxycontin, and we didn't know shit...

[Narkotikon]

but keep in mind there are a number of people who have died from as little as 4 times the recommended dose, and it wasnt an overdose it was some other complication, i dont really remember what it was but if you google darvon it will tell you about it.

edit: and by 4x the dose, im talking about 4x a 60mg dose...only 240 mg.

True, I think it's because when your body metabolizes it, it produces toxic metabolites or something like that. I think I also read that it somehow affects your heart. Yeah, I know taking that much isn't a good idea, and I didn't really mean that the OP should do that, but if that's all you have and you have any kind of tolerance that's what you have to do. Personally I'd rather have codeine than Darvon / Darvocet. It's weird stuff.

Also, isn't there a difference between Darvocet and Darvon (I mean except from the APAP in one and none in the other). I mean, isn't the actual propoxyphene different. I think in Darvon it's 65mg of one kind of propoxyphene, and in Darvocet it's 100mg of another kind, whereas a 100mg dose of that kind would equal a 65mg dose of the other.

[jonny-5]

True, I think it's because when your body metabolizes it, it produces toxic metabolites or something like that. I think I also read that it somehow affects your heart. Yeah, I know taking that much isn't a good idea, and I didn't really mean that the OP should do that, but if that's all you have and you have any kind of tolerance that's what you have to do. Personally I'd rather have codeine than Darvon / Darvocet. It's weird stuff.

Also, isn't there a difference between Darvocet and Darvon (I mean except from the APAP in one and none in the other). I mean, isn't the actual propoxyphene different. I think in Darvon it's 65mg of one kind of propoxyphene, and in Darvocet it's 100mg of another kind, whereas a 100mg dose of that kind would equal a 65mg dose of the other.


yea thats right about it being two different forms. what i was saying was mainly a warning to the OP, obviously if youve taken that much then your body can handle it. its kinda like the seizure thing with tramadol some people already have a high seizure threshold so taking a lot of it doesnt lower it to the point where they have seizures, but some it does, and theres no way to know what category youre in untill you try it for yourself. i never took more than 5 65mg darvons just in case.

[lespaulpower]

Y'all were right.

They fucking suck. I took 5 and got NOTHING.

[insaneike]

if you can even so much as take 80mg of oxy, no amount of propoxy will ever do SHIT for you!~!! Hell if your toler is at even 50mg hydro, propxy won't do shit! The stuff is literally garbage unless you have no toler. The things didn't even ease my WD's ANY back when a single roxi 30 would get me blisted, so that there says they're absolutely worthless for me, as well as most ppl.

I honestly don't know why they still make it.. It's literally no more effective than aleve in analgesic(pain killing) effects and it's VERY toxic at the doses it would take for anything worthwhile(even for ppl with little to no tolers usually). I guess so the Dr.'s can say they 'gave you a narcotic' when you're needing opain meds to keep from giving you anything that might actually WORK!

later

[halfalien_s4]

So I just aquired a small amount of darvocet. I believe they're 100/650. Keeping in mind the paracetamol, how much should I take for a "pleasant" dose? I have a moderate tolerance and no previous experience with propoxyphene.

I could not find this information using the search tool.

Thanks in advance.

LP


well, whever i used to take darvocet or Darvon (thast w/o teh APAP & is actually schedule 2), i would always take 3 to 3 in a half if i wanted to get a buzz. however, to me, ive never been a big fan of Darv. stuff as to me it always feels almost like a "dirt" type buzz if ya jknow what i mean......just always be careful as Darvocet always has so much APAP in it.....:rolleyes:

[bigNasty]

Also, isn't there a difference between Darvocet and Darvon (I mean except from the APAP in one and none in the other). I mean, isn't the actual propoxyphene different. I think in Darvon it's 65mg of one kind of propoxyphene, and in Darvocet it's 100mg of another kind, whereas a 100mg dose of that kind would equal a 65mg dose of the other.
yeah 65mg darvon=100mg darvocet N. I think the N stands for how the propoxyphene is different in the darvocet

[Chicago]

^^^^^^The darvocet did me well, taking 400mg 4x daily for 4 days w/.2mg clonodine patch. Kept w/d away, & only thing is I was waken up at 4-5a.m.

1rst night I had m.s. contins 30,i think 9 of them, took 3at a time did nothing, I felt that the darvacet did me fine for the while away.

Like I said it has to add

[Dune]

I have a friend that gave half of a darvocet to his wife and it F'd her up. It was really funny. She has zero tolerance though. Man, I envy people like that.

[Indy]

I took 10 of them in withdrawal once. It actually gave me a little bit of a buzz, but i think that was more just taking the withdrawals away. It made my lips go numb, and made me stupid (like DXM sorta), but it DID take my withdrawals away, so i can't complain.

[pharmboy]

Darvocett SUCKS big bull cocks. Sorry I.m one of THOSE people who hate

Darvocett / Darvon. Gives Dr's a choice when their trying to screw you outa

something that would be decent. But also be careful with that shit

Darvon is as bad for your liver as the tylenol in it. Don't take too much too

often.

[SHELLEY]

what in gods name is paracetamol????

[irish]

what in gods name is paracetamol????
tylenol

[Papa Verine]

what in gods name is paracetamol????

Acetomenophen (Tylenol)

^^^ I cannot spell that word right...

[WarmCyanide]

damn. its time for cwe for the first time. gotta search here for method. these things suck.

[resorcinol]

It took 500 mg of propoxyphene for me to perceive threshold effects when I had no tolerance, and before I ever became dependent on opiates. Quite weak.

Codeine is better. Hydrocodone is waayyyyyyy better. Oxycodone doesn't even deserve to be compared with propoxyphene... it's exponentially better.

[resorcinol]

yeah 65mg darvon=100mg darvocet N. I think the N stands for how the propoxyphene is different in the darvocet

N just means it's the napsylate salt of propoxyphene.... the pharma company made the napsylate salt over HCl salt to foil CWE; propoxyphene napsylate is insolube in water, while the HCl salt is.

Not that propoxy is even worth a cwe