thoughts on valium

[exitwound]

what is your general opinion of valium?

what role does it serve for you, and what value is it to someone in chronic pain?

generally i have found it useful for muscle relaxation (occasionally helpful but mostly just an unnecessary side effect which can worsen constipation) and dreamless more restful sleep.

it does calm during daylight hours at a slightly lower dosage (5-7.5mg instead of 10mg) but it also makes me a bit too lethargic and tired. it doesn't really work like xanax or even ativan, klonopin etc in terms of calming me all the way down. i can still get a bit emotional, even a little depressed on valium it seems.

maybe i'm not getting a clear picture about valium (the only benzo i have on hand and probably the only one i'll be seeing any time soon since I'm minimizing my use of any black market sources, not even online pharmacies unless absolutely necessary).....so I ask of ye opiophorum members, opiophiles all....let's talk valium! tell me your experiences and your general thoughts on the substance as part of the opiophile's diet!

[Opiyum]

It's always been a saving grace for me with wihdrawals but its been awile since I've had to worry about that. I got a prescription ever since I detoxed with subs and became "clean" two-ish years ago. In that time its been good for days when I seem to have no control over my...well anything really... at least thats what it feels like and the valium gives me that ability to step back, reevaluate and move on with my day and continue to be productive without being a pain to others and to myself.
It's probably the only scheduled drug that is readily available to me that I dont abuse even though the potetial is there. It's been very helpful to me but I will say I agree with what you said about it making me lethargic. This is an undesirable effect that wont go away. So I guess that brings up a question for me too. Is there such thing as a benzo' that wont make me so sleepy? Sounds like a real dumb question to me but hopefully someone will suprise me.
I've tried K-pins but that was exactly the same as the valium just 10x stronger which was expected.

[katomic]

I agree valium is a little depressing i would rather Xanax any day but V's is all us brits can get. I used to take 10mg a day now i take 4mg. It does have painkilling propertys in high doses i remember the first time i took it, it was 10mg and i was high on PT and man was i fucked but i walked about 3 miles which i havent done since i was 14 15
Opiyum personaly i found Xanax to be not as lethargic in .25mg doses all tho high doses will usealy end in a litttle nap
be careful tho a few times i have scered myself by mixing benzo's and opiates its easy to go to far

[shaunclo]

Is there such thing as a benzo' that wont make me so sleepy? Sounds like a real dumb question to me but hopefully someone will suprise me.
I've tried K-pins but that was exactly the same as the valium just 10x stronger which was expected.

The most least-lethargic benzo out there has to be ativan. Klonopin fuckers you up, xanax is just a waste.

As for the good ol valium, I LOVE EM!!!! I always have atleast a couple dozen on hand. They are a god-send for me. They help me sleep and give me euphoria sometimes. The only thing that sucks is that I would take them every night if I could, the potential for abuse is definitely there for me too. So I limit myself and dont let it get outta control. I already have 1 gorilla on my back.

[Opiyum]

You know its so fucking funny that I made that post last night about the valium and then when I went to see the doc today, for god knows what reason, he decided to change my script to .5 milli Ativans. If what you say about this ativan is true than thats great cause thats my only problem with the valium because normally I only need benzo's for panic attacks that normally happen at work and I need to be on the ball when I'm in the kitchen but at the same time this sucks because with such a small dose teamed up with the worthless Insurance I have these Ativans costed me a lot friggin more. For fifty .5 mg I paid, after coverage, 41.31...WITH NO FUCKING REFILLS for once again god knows what reason. The valium on the other hand costed me 8.93 for 120-10mg with three refills For two years straight; I guess I'm just spoiled. So were talking about 26.79 for 360 10mg vals or 50 .5 mg Ativans for 41.31. I'll take the first option thanks.

To be clear I'm mad because it seems my Doctor doesnt understand the plights of the lower class citizens. It's not because I feel like...aagghh I cant get high from this shit! you know its not that kind of thing.

I dont abuse benzos and never have for GOD KNOWS WHAT REASON(for the third time) but to be honest I do somtimes indulge and use them for recreational use but this has never turned into what they call abuse.

And goddammit Shaunclo could we please put the Silver Back Gorilla thing behind us...Maybe you werent refering to my amphetimine induced posts and if so sorry maybe its all in my head but what in my life isnt in my head.

[illchemist]

Valium is fun for long plane flights but it really is too depressing in the long run. I always get cranky when it wears off. That goes for any benzo. Xanax just makes me psycho depressed when it wears off. I have begun to find little recreational use for benzodiazepines. personall;y, opiates are much more enjoyable and the comedown is much, much more bearable.

[ginger]

be careful tho a few times i have scered myself by mixing benzo's and opiates its easy to go to far

I don't mean to sound dumb...but at what level of benzo consumption does one have to worry (when mixing with opiates)?

It is difficult for me to calculate just how much I have in my system with the fent, hydro in there all the time then adding the pt...and I had had some drinks...my breathing seemed to slow....my heart rate is normally very slow anyway...42/minute...I really don't want it to go too slowly...I od'd once (years ago in high school) and don't really want to repeat it.

[Miggeth]

Valium makes me feel like a fish in a barrel.

[defenestrate]

i have to take monstrous doses of valium to feel anything other than a very mild effect of taking the edge off. decent for muscle tension, i guess, but it takes a really disturbing quantity for me to feel much. i have a freakish tolerance reaction to sedatves, though. xanax so far seems to be the one that manages to still hit me pretty hard on a day-to-day basis (of course, i haven't had hundreds of xanax around at a time like i did ativan/klonopin/valium (can we say high strung? :D) so perhaps it's not a fair comparison, but i never remember valium having all that strong an effect on me). i'm not sure whether it's a half-life issue, a tolerance issue, a lifestyle at the time issue, or what. just my experience. i'll have to see how much of a tolerance i have to the stuff without having had any in me for more than a month..

[exitwound]

Valium makes me feel like a fish in a barrel.

oddly enough i know precisely what you mean!

[Philadelphia]

I agree valium is a little depressing i would rather Xanax any day but V's is all us brits can get. I used to take 10mg a day now i take 4mg. It does have painkilling propertys in high doses i remember the first time i took it, it was 10mg and i was high on PT and man was i fucked but i walked about 3 miles which i havent done since i was 14 15
Opiyum personaly i found Xanax to be not as lethargic in .25mg doses all tho high doses will usealy end in a litttle nap
be careful tho a few times i have scered myself by mixing benzo's and opiates its easy to go to far

see i think xanax to me is depressing as hell, i can't take that shit it makes me suicidal. however, valium makes me super calm and easy going. i love taking valium on a nice sunday and relaxing

[ontario_opiophile]

I too love Valium. It is not super strong but that doesnt really matter. 5 pills of valium will get you just as hammed as 5 xanax probably so who cares about potency. The fact is Valium is the grandaddy of Benzo's and I certainly think it's still the most enjoyable one. I like Dalmane as well but it has a very long half life so it's not good unless you can stay in bed for a day after taking it. Valium is just a good clean feeling. I like it alot. It's kind of like drinking alcohol, just not the same. lol.

[THEPAINTER1960]

what is your general opinion of valium?

what role does it serve for you, and what value is it to someone in chronic pain?

generally i have found it useful for muscle relaxation (occasionally helpful but mostly just an unnecessary side effect which can worsen constipation) and dreamless more restful sleep.

it does calm during daylight hours at a slightly lower dosage (5-7.5mg instead of 10mg) but it also makes me a bit too lethargic and tired. it doesn't really work like xanax or even ativan, klonopin etc in terms of calming me all the way down. i can still get a bit emotional, even a little depressed on valium it seems.

maybe i'm not getting a clear picture about valium (the only benzo i have on hand and probably the only one i'll be seeing any time soon since I'm minimizing my use of any black market sources, not even online pharmacies unless absolutely necessary).....so I ask of ye opiophorum members, opiophiles all....let's talk valium! tell me your experiences and your general thoughts on the substance as part of the opiophile's diet!
Man i used to love valium what a pill. Can you believe that i have not done any in the last six years. I;m serious i mean i have been on methadone maitenence for the last six. No dirty urines except cocaine But those valium i used to have my 60 10 mill. valium and 30 750 mill. Placidyl . Oh what pleasent company i even was on a 100 mill. of methadone at the time

[zombiewoof23]

My favorite benzo for just overall good feeling if I don't have to do anything for awhile is klonopin. For regular usage I like ativan. Xanax tends to make my emotions run high after they wear off. I do love xanax when I have some kind of stimulant, even something as weak as coffee or mountain dew. Xanax and Cocaine used to be a favorite combo for SWIM. Valium feels weaker, but has one of the best subtle type benzo buzzes IMO, not to say that you can't get ripped if you take enough of em. I just really find them enjoyable and they really don't affect my mood as bad as xanax and don't affect my ability to function as bad as klonopin. For regular usage though, I've always worried about the long half-life of diazepam from an accumulation standpoint. I love benzo's, but I do fear the WD's so I have always limited my intake. I'll go on benders, then stop for a few weeks or even months sometimes. This website is the best I have found for educating oneself on benzo's. http://www.benzo.org.uk/ I think PK posted it in another thread, thanks a million PK! Reading about the WD's and possible brain damage associated with daily benzo use on that site was a real eye opener for me. I love drugs, and since I've gotten older I have slowed down on my intake and really started to enjoy looking at the science and body related chemistry behind them.

[exitwound]

i never take nearly enough benzos to get that "wasted" effect that I once discovered with klonopin. After experiencing the joys (SARCASM!) of the benzo blackout and read the statistics on risk of death or serious brain damage.....I stopped with that right quick.

I still get my hands on them occasionally one way or another but don't generally find them very useful most of the time. They can be helpful when I'm stressed out, need help with a bad back spasm, or just plain need to be sedated. But I do these things as mildly as I can. I have no interest in taking risks or taking any higher of a dose than I must because I don't get these things from friends or dealers.....I get them gifted by other CP sufferers, or I buy them online at very high prices. That's it.

[Scarlettnight]

Valium to me is a wonderful substance, propelling me straight to calmness which is a rare treat to say the least! So of course instead of getting Valium, EVERY! month I get handed a script for 100 Klonopin
I hate, despise, loathe Klonopin there is no happiness with Klonopin just this convorsation the next afternoonish when I finally come to again. " How did I get in these clothes?" They just sit in the medicine cabinet and RAIN down on my head when I open it.

So my 2 cent Valium rules..... Klonopin sucks.

[ontario_opiophile]

Clonazepam is possibly the most evil pharmaceutical put on earth. It makes you do things you would never do while on any other drug or while extremely drunk. No amount of alcohol could make you do the things you do on a whackload of Klonopin. I remember taking a small handful of Klonopin and I ended up crashing my car, trying to rape my friends, and two of my friends ended up in prison after taking it so I stay away from it. It causes severe amnesia. You literally black out for hours, even days depending on how much you take. Evil stuff! Keep it away!!!!!!!

Valium doesn't give me such amnesia. I like a nice little handful of Valium. It's pleasant, and doesn't give you crazy ideas or rewire your brain to make you do stupid things and not remember them. Be really careful with Klonopin. You will totally black out and not remember a damned thing. And people will come to you and say, you know you did ______ the other day and we were all disturbed and you scared the shit out of us. My friends sat down with me and told me I stripped naked and tried to rape them and that they almost hit me on the head with a wrench to subdue me. I didn't believe them, because I didn't remember a thing. And it's very very scary when you don't remember what you did. It makes you wonder about what else you could have done while on it. I could have killed somemone and not remembered it. I could have murdered and not remembered what I did and I would have never believed it if somemone said I did it. Cuz of course you wouldnt do that in your right mind. Klonopin (Clonazepam) is instant amnesia! Valium is superior because of that very reason.

[Opiyum]

I looked up the conversion for K-pins to Valium a while back and might be remembering wrong but I believe it was 1mg of K-pin equal to ten mg of Valium. So I would suggest and whats worked best for me is to maybe not eat handfulls of K-pins. I mean I enjoy eating handfulls of pills here and there but lets be realistic. 6-8 milli's of K-Pin are gonna knock you out if you dont have a tolerance. In my experience and in many friends I've had Clonopin is exactly the same high as valium just more intense because its stronger thats why smaller doses is the best way to go.Makes sense right?

[psychotiKK]

Well I've been on Klonopin and Xanax for years. Basically switched back from the other to which I liked better. I was on Clonazepam .5mg when needed first for a severe social / general anxiety disorder. It helped greatly, but after awhile I needed more, so I switched to Xanax. Xanax causes the worst amnesia and makes you so lethargic, and I had to take one of these every morning before school. I would be sleeping in class alot and just tired all throughout the day, but at the same time it felt nice because I didn't really care about all the kids around me. I am completely calm and my balls grow when I'm on a good benzo like klonopin or xanax. I don't mean they literally grow, but I gain alot of confidence and lose lots of negative emotions. Give me a good dose of hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, diacetylmorphine, ect.. added along with a xanax or klonopin and I will feel so confident that I will say anything on my mind. I'm usually kind of shy around the ladies, but on H I convinced a girl to flash me and I did lose my virginity on H.. the heroin didn't have anything to do with me losing my virginity though, if anything it made it more difficult because it was near impossible to get a hard-on. I mean damn, it was the first time I banged H, and the first time I had sex in the same day. Both were free from the girl.. :D free H and sex without costing a dime sounds good to me!!

ANYWAYS,
I've tried valium on a few occasions and most weren't anything special except for ONE time. I had a friend who was convinced I could get high on valium, but I just had to take enough. So he said if I smoked him a bowl he would do this for me. It took about 6 valium before I actually felt a euphoric / painkilling effect to it. No, it didn't exactly feel like a painkiller, but it felt similar in a way. All I can say is that I felt fantastic and smoking some weed with it potentiated the experience. I've never had a similar experience like that one, but I've never taken more then 2 other then that one time. I did take 13 xanax one time by accident and ended up in a coma. My door was locked and I wasn't responding so my parents had to open my window, come inside my room, unlock the door, and then scream and shake me till I woke up. I feel really bad for scaring my parents like that, but I had no idea my last memory would be taking around 5 xanax, but ending up takign around 13. I'm guessing my memory was shit, and I completely forgot I took any in the first place so I kept taking more. It's scary how this can happen, 'specially with newbies to benzos. You can basically use xanax as a date rape drug.. the taste is noticeable but probably not so much in alcohol... yet arent' all benzos schedule IV except for rophynol which is schedule I? Oh noes our blonde daughters are getting raped with this drug, lets make it illegal yet make the exact same class of drugs easily available. Oh well, it's not stopping me from getting 60 klonopins a month. Generics run for what.. 8-12 dollars for 60 clonazepams? It's so god damn cheap for a great drug. I never abuse them except for those two times that I was trying to get a high off them. I don't even take them daily, but I can easily see how you could. I found myself liking them much more ever since I got on Suboxone. Same goes with cigarettes. When I was using full agonist opiates, smoking shisha on a hookah while under the influence of say, morphine, was extremely pleasent and euphoric. Wow do I miss those days. The only way I can get a real "HIGH" off suboxone is to smoke weed with it, and then I definately notice it. Opiates/Opioids always potentiate weed, or vise versa. If I smoke weed without any opies, including suboxone, it's no where as euphoric or fun.

[antony]

a friend of mine was getting prescirbed the xanax bars, and i thought they were opiate based, which i took with a bunch of hydro. no tolerance to the shit, and here i am driving on the expressway, passing out. and the worst part is, I DIDNT CARE! no idea what i was taking. fucking dummy. all my friends, "jesus, ant, you been drinking?"
"wwwhaaat doo yooou mean?" as my head slams on the table.

fucking hate benzos. nasty hangover, i feel like a magnet and the floor is made of iron.

[RThompson]

Valium is the only benzo aside Xanax that I feel is worth my time to take, although OCCASIONALLY I'll take a good dose of Klonopin if I happen upon the 2mg ones. I have a 7-year-plus running addiction to Xanax. I've a script for 2mg tabs, of which I acquire a minimum of 60-100 per month. So though in my past I've used Xanax recreationally, these many years later I've learned to not overdo them; they're a med to me. But, Valium--unlike other benzos--always make me sleepy. Nice, but still... I never take less than 10mg, and more often than not about 20-50mg total. Valium is smooth, calm, but not--to me--a strong enough tranquilizer to use for anything but recreational relaxation. Panic attacks require Xanax. Klonopin are decent, but yeah, they are strange. Ativan, Librium, and the like: not worth a goddam thing to me.

[shaunclo]

And goddammit Shaunclo could we please put the Silver Back Gorilla thing behind us...Maybe you werent refering to my amphetimine induced posts and if so sorry maybe its all in my head but what in my life isnt in my head.

No Opiyum, I wasnt referring to your "Silver Back Gorilla" thing. Actually I have no idea what your talking about. I am way behind on the opiophile news lately, I have been very busy at work.

So what your saying is you wrote another post where you got beaten down, for , ehhh, doesnt surprise me.

Anyways, benzos are a godsend. But the peeps with the stories about "I ended up in somebody house naked fuckin a couch" is because you TAKE TOO MANY!!!! If you take a couple of em they are great. If you take a handful of benzo, well then its like getting too drunk the first time and you end up throwing up and not liking them for that reason. People take too many at one time. I would say without a doubt benzos are one of the biggest reasons people OD. They think they can handle 5 klonopin with 4 vals and 2 xannie bars with a 12 pack, and a shot of H. Thats why people OD. Its rarely just one drug that makes someone go over the death-edge.

[Kallie]

I have to agree with Shaunclo, here. I am scripted 150 2mg Xanax each month, but I only use 1 or 2 on the nights were I can't sleep. But if you mix 'em too close when you are (very) opiated, it can be disastrous.

And Opi, i remember the SBG thread... but I just thought it was kind of humorous.... Don't get too paranoid. You posted a nice message about my dad's passing which I really appreciated. Glad you are slowing down on the speed.... You seem, as most here, like decent people. Everyone gets busted on, for some poorly thought-out post, at some time or other. All water under the bridge. Even Bi11i, our revered "leader," accidently stomped on someone's flower thread. But he apologized and moved. I find that a really nice quality amoung our opiated brethren....

I hope I'm not coming off as a know-it-all, I certainly don't, but the info on this site is better than anywhere else I've ever been. Thanks.

[antony]

But if you mix 'em too close when you are (very) opiated, it can be disastrous.

tell me about it. completely ruined a chance of liking em for theright reasons.

[Kallie]

tell me about it. completely ruined a chance of liking em for theright reasons.

I had a similar experience once I got on the morphine and didn't understand why I felt so shitty after that and some Xanax.... As I said great educational opportunities here. Now I know, slowed why down and use it very judiciously.

But, I find Xanax invaluable for panic attacks, alone, however. I had to take a flight for medical reasons, and was scared to death. Literally. I wrote on the beverage napkin how much I was taking (cause if I passed out I wanted someone to know what I taken)... turns out it was 30mg Xanax over that 8 hour flight (with connections) and I wasn't even tired in the least. The medical expert I saw, said that indirectly "quantitated" the amount of fear, terror, and panic I was experiencing being back on a plane. I typically never take more than 2 or 4 mg Xanax, except for that time. Then, several hours later, I still had to take Ambiens to even get to sleep at midnight in the hotel and woke up at 5am again feeling panic-y. But I did it (and the ensuing medical interview), and I was very releived when it was over!

Never again taken that much, but I was scared shitless and it really, really helped. Thank you modern medicine! (And that was definitely in NO way recreational and I'd never advocate doing that again. I just was trying to not go screaming nuts through the plane....)

[scikid]

Personally I like them every once in awhile. Xanax happens to be my fav, but its different for everyone. I'm on a little bit right now in fact.... shit I have to write this short paper now.

I find benzo's very addicting, its gonna be hard for me not to take any until I finish all of my homework.

[Kallie]

Ohhhhhhhh, shit comes back to haunt you. I forgot all about Opi and the Silver Backs..... ah, memories... Nice way to end tonight's session. 'Night John-Boy....

[MorphineDreams]

My thoughts on valium?

Overall it's a good benzo. The onset of it's effects are rapid - usually felt within 30 minutes, unlike with a lot of other benzos. But it's not the best. Xanax, Klonopin, Rohypnol, Restoril, Versed, and Mogadon are all better then Valium.

Ativan is a joke of a benzo. I hate it so much. it makes me feel so weird...it acts just like ambien.

[kiwistoner]

VALIUM........one of my favourite words and my first experience with drugs ....wanna hear more.......
i was eight yrs old and my mother was prescribed ten mg (blue) VALIUM for wateva ailment she had at that time....anyway i swallowed one and went off to school ...man was i wasted and i wanted to feel like that for the rest of my life and consequently became my first addicction of many .
now im using poppy seed tea to beat back that gorilla each morning and codiene wen i hav no seeds
but thats another chapter .........

[copelandia]

Valium works wonders for tight muscles for me, better than any other muscle relaxant.

Horrbile idea to mix benzo's and opiates though. Might work great for awhile but the combination can easily kill.

[chemboy7]

When mixing benzos, esspecially short lived ones like Xanax, Valium is awsome for potentiating and prolonging the effects due to it's long half life in the body. Dalmane would also be a good canidate for this mix and match method, but that is likely to carry on into the next day. i.e. on mixing benzos for optimized experience: 2 mg Xanax (short lived, but will be streched out, for that nice smiley feeling), 0.125 mg Halcion (to add just alittle drowsy/clumsiness to the mix), and 10 mg of good old Valium (to keep things level and stretch out the other benzos).

[chemboy7]

Another interesting side note on the whole "Benzodiapine blackouts/amnesia" conundrum that you guy's may find helpful is that an oral dose of Methyphenidate (Ritalin), let's say 20 - 30 mg. orally 1/2 hour to 45 min. before you dose yourself with the Benzos will not only keep you from nodding out too bad it will also aid in preserving your memory of the incident without adding too much of it's own effects into the mix. Amphetamines (and probably Cocaine too, I dunno, seems ineffecient though as Cocaine's effects last like 30 min. tops) work just as well but tend to add an edginess to the experience... like a weak Benzo/Amphetamine speedball. I have heard of a few anecdotal reports of people using smart drugs such as Piracetam and Pramiracetam the same way with similar results but little is known about these substances and what they may react with in the body so if polydrug use is planned with anything other than the Benzodiazepines they should probably be avoided. From my understanding the non-benzos or benzo-like drugs such as Ambien and Sonata are more apt to cause these black outs at lower doses and erase/scramble more of your memory than the regular Benzodiazepines. It serves to reason that, being that these benzo-like drugs act on the GABAenergic system in a very similar to the Benzodiazepines, that the Methylphenidate/Amphetamine primer should also work with them too. I think that a slightly higher dose than what you found to be effective with Benzos should compensate for their extra amnesia that the psuedobenzos have to offer. It's a little known fact, but it works like a charm... I mean think about it; those drugs are prescribed to help people (children mostly, if you can believe that shit) concentrate and pay attention. Anyways, blackouts suck, so I hope this helps somebody out there with Benzo/memory problems.

P.S. if you are wanting to do this proceedure to prevent memory loss and have no access to Ritalin (it is a CII pharm.) I am sure that like 4-5 30 mg. Pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) should give about the same results. Thank's to the Patriot Act you have to go up to the Pharmacist and ask for him to get it for you from behind the counter in an attempt to scale down illicit Methamphetamine production, he will ask for your license and may make you sign a form. Atleast that's how it is here in Mi., but I believe that the Patriot Act was a national thing.


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[devilsdrug]

valium is good stuff its been around forever now use to be the most prescribed med( now its hydro i think) anyway iv never tried others except temezpam and i like valium better, i only use it when i cant sleep and saving for that horrible day that i hope never comes WD because its really good for that