Oxycodone to oxymorphone!

[OxyDust]

I just had a friend offer to convert my oxycodone into oxymorphone. He's going to school to become a chemist, so i know he can do it (he's got like two to three years left)! He also says he can get/make all of the chemicals he needs to convert it (chloroform, hydrochloric acid, etc).

The only problem is he is going to need at least 3 grams with 3.25 being ideal! Now that is ALL of my oxycodone for the whole month (no more until the 11th) and it's going to take him 4-5 days to complete the whole process. i hear that the potency increase is 15 and an overall yield of 50-65% (3.25 grams of oxycodone HCL to 4.75 grams oxymorphone HCL)! Now that's damn good and he says a days dose will be converted into a weeks dose!!!:D

But like anything good it's usually not free. He want's around a thousand bucks for chemicals/work and some of the drug itself (1/2 gram, maybe a little more/less) but i don't have to pay him until he's finished and i've made sure it's good! I don't know what oxymorphone goes for because i have never dealt with it. I just want some opinions if this would be a good deal or not.

thanks for the help!

[SeVeN]

I don't know anything about chemicals and all that but a thousand bucks? Sheesh.

[supa325]

*phone rings*

you: 'Hello?'

him: 'Bad news man'

'What do you mean?'

'Well, I was mixing x with y, and your whole stash melted into black goo'

'Is that good?'

'Don't think so, my gerbil tried some, and he started on fire'

'Do I have anything left?!'

'Well, no, but I learned that gerbils don't like black goo. I'm thinking of writing my thesis on it.'

'YOU SON OF A-'

'Calm down, you still have your thousand bucks right? Buy some more at street prices...'

Sorry, but sounds like a bad idea to me...

[upstate_007]

I would definitely not be the one to give up an entire months worth (and 1,000???) for him to try it.

Let him pony up all the goods for his experiment first to see if it works.

[OxyDust]

He could be trying to screw me over but i REALLY DOUBT IT. I have had him convert a bunch of codeine into morphine for me multiple times in the past (he's also done some extractions for me) and have known him for 7-8 years! I just talked to another person who is offering to throw in a gram, so i think i'm gonna do it!

I would really like to know what oxymorphone goes for?

Edit: i just talked to him and he said he just want's some of the drug, i don't have to pay him anything but i need to know what morphone goes for so i can know what my profit will be!

[nick]

If someone gave me $1,000 and 3gs of oxy.....................they might get a postcard in return.

So,if he's honest,if he's actually capable,if you give him some product AND$1,000........IF.Far too many ifs man.

I'd tell him thanks,but no thanks.

I just read your edit and there's still too many ifs for me,but much luck with it.

[dharma bum]

You trust that this guy's not gonna abscond with your product?

You want to use your lovely oxy as a guinea pig? And on top of that roughly one-sixth of everything

AND a thousand bucks?

The benefit doesn't outweigh the risk involved.

[HMMM...]

So is this process really difficult.

Is it like mixing up meth in a shack lab,

or like making anthrax in government type labs.

[Narkotikon]

Yeah, this sounds exactly like a scam. First of all, what's the $1000 for? If he's getting some dope in the end, and he's got all the equipment, then that should be payment enough. Sounds to me like he's either going to take your oxycodone and your money and run or "have an accident," or he actually does know what he's doing but dicking you over by charging you 1000 on top of it. Besides, about 10% of oxycodone is converted into oxymorphone by your own damned body. Why pay someone to do it (especially when the circumstances are iffy) when your body will do it for free. Plus, I'm not chemist and I may be wrong, but usually when people convert one chemical to another they get the exact same amount or less, not more. So it's usually Chem A turns into the exact same amount of Chem B or less of Chem B, I've never heard of it being more of Chem B. For instance, when you convert morphine into heroin, you get less heroin, not more. Sure, it's more potent, but it's still less. If he's saying you'll get more oxymorphone from the conversion (which is what I understood him to be implying) that sounds sketchy to me. Don't do it.

[upstate_007]

Here is a better idea....

1. Keep your OCs and eat/snort/shoot as normal

2. Take the thousand dollars and buy yourself a big ol' bag full of Opana.

3. Call it a day.

[reddragon3668]

I would just take my oxy and be happy with it. If you want oxymorphone, ask your doctor. Another thing, even though oxymorphone is much stronger mg/mg, you tolerance goes through the roof. If oxy does it for you at all, leave the oxymorphone alone. Its great for pain releif, and If that's why you need it, ask the doc, seriously. Don't loose a month's worth of meds and damn sure don't pay someone 1k for knowledge.. they're getting the chems for free... if their a friend and your gonna give em' dope for it, that should be plenty. Way too many things wrong with this proposition...

[Papa Verine]

I say go for it, and keep us posted. I really want to hear how this turns out.

[irish]

Why can't the guy do a small batch as proof of concept? Sounds a little fishy to me.

[SynthMorph]

Here is the procedure

A mixture of 3.15 g (10e-2 mole) of oxycodone, 28.3 g (3.1e-1 mole) of methanesulfonic acid and 2.2 g of DL-methionine are heated to 40° C. The reaction mixture is stirred at this temperature for 12 hours and then poured onto ice. The mixture is made alkaline with ammonia to a pH = 8 to 9, then extracted with dichloromethane. The organic phases are washed with water, dried over sodium sulfate and evaporated to dryness under reduced pressure. The crude product thus obtained (2.51 g) is purified on a column of silica by eluating with pure chloroform followed by a gradient with methanol. 2.17 g of oxymorphone are thus obtained, which represents a yield of 72%.
You will most likely want to convert this into the hydrochloride: 5 g of the purified base previously obtained are disolved in 30 ml of warm acetone. After concentration to about 10 ml, 5 ml of 6N hydrochloric acid are added to the warm solution. The mixture is cooled to -10° C, and the precipitate is filtered off, washed with acetone and dried at 50° C in a vacuum. 4.83 g of oxymorphone hydrochloride are thus obtained. Yield 87%

You're better off buying the chemicals yourself and taking a chemistry class and $800 saved! I would never let that amount of oxy out my hands and God knows how good he is at this conversion. For all you know he could hand you back your oxy in powder form with a little H mixed and you'd never know and charge $1000 dollars for it all.

[pain-pateint]

Having used for my pain both oxycodone -- ER and IR forms -- and Opana -- again, in both ER and IR forms, I am wondering what the point is here. Sure, oxymorphone is about twice as potent, but is also only about half as bioavailable if you take it orally. So, I don't see any net gain to you unless you're using the drugs IV. Only then would be there a benefit in that, if you inject, the oxymorphone would truly be twice as potent.

I would NOT do it, and I know a good bit about chemistry and pharmacology unless you plan to IV it, and even then, I don't like the odds since the chemistry involved is much trickier than merely extracting codeine or converting it into morphine.

Best,

M

[Larry]

A Thousand bucks dude? Come on Give me a break

[bronyraur]

Sounds like a bullshit deal.

Keep your oxycodone and be happy.

[devilsdrug]

i wood also like our expert to chime in and that wood be robo i believe

[pharmboy]

ROBO would be the one to talk to. As for me I vote NO. A month is a long

time and when your in w/d it would seem like a year. Also to many IFs.

I really liked Supa's phone call though.

[Synack]

78% yield... http://www.clandestinechemist.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=16

and you'd be getting wicked stiffed.. the required chemicals arn't that expensive..

make the oxycodone from codeine - you can buy codeine online I'm sure...

that's what swim is working towards..

[bored in sofl]

keep your oxy's buy $1000 worth of oxymorphone (probaly at a discount) sell some so u can get yours for free. Get your hustle on

[devilsdrug]

if ur gonna tryin make a bundle on this escapade, the chemist does deserve a %

[jonny-5]

keep your oxy's buy $1000 worth of oxymorphone (probaly at a discount) sell some so u can get yours for free. Get your hustle on

exactly. why would you wanna give this guy a thousand bucks and 500mg of oxymorphone just so he can do his homework and win the science fair. have him teach you how to do it and do it yourself if you wanna see it done that bad.


this is a really bad idea, and the price he is asking is a RIP OFF.

[bored in sofl]

when I was in the chi I would call all my pillhead freinds and let them know what was around and charge a few doolars more than what I paid. I supported my habit for a long time. I was getting oc 20's for $8 and selling them for $12 and at the time I had a unlimited supply. I miss those days:(

[OxyDust]

Well, i got my oxycodone (Ethex brand 30's, i'd say just as good as the blues) and have been really fucked up the last few day's, good times! I had to quit my job a few day's ago because I got so fucked up, i nodded off for like 20 minutes in a front office meeting with EVERYONE i work with and got yelled at by the manager(s)!:cool: They then sent me home and I knew they were about to fire me, so i quit. Oh well, I fucking hated that 6.00/h shit job anyway!
I never did try to have dude convert my shit, because the more i talked to him the more it seemed like he was up to something. Even though an aquantiance of mine did throw him like 2 grams of oxycodone to convert, we'll see how that goes:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And thanks for all of the advice, FOR REAL!

[SeVeN]

Well, i got my oxycodone (Ethex brand 30's, i'd say just as good as the blues) and have been really fucked up the last few day's, good times! I had to quit my job a few day's ago because I got so fucked up, i nodded off for like 20 minutes in a front office meeting with EVERYONE i work with and got yelled at by the manager(s)!:cool: They then sent me home and I knew they were about to fire me, so i quit. Oh well, I fucking hated that 6.00/h shit job anyway!
I never did try to have dude convert my shit, because the more i talked to him the more it seemed like he was up to something. Even though an aquantiance of mine did throw him like 2 grams of oxycodone to convert, we'll see how that goes:rolleyes::rolleyes:

And thanks for all of the advice, FOR REAL!


You should have let them fire you cuz then you could of filed unemployment. That might mess you up.

How well do you know this guy?? Is he just gonna run out with the OC and be thinking "suckers". Just wondering.

[OnzZznoD]

How well do you know this guy?? Is he just gonna run out with the OC and be thinking "suckers". Just wondering.
Yes ofcourse he is. This is a textbook rawt.

[Woody Bear]

You wouldn't get 4.83 g of oxymorphone from 3.15 g of oxycodone. In the procedure SynthMorph posted, 3.15 g oxycodone gives 2.17 g oxymorphone. The procedure says that 5 g of oxymorphone converted to the hydrochloride salt gives 4.83 g oxymorphone hydrochloride. Actually 5 grams of oxymorphone freebase converted to hydrochloride would result in greater then 5 grams product, because you're adding 1 HCl molecule onto every oxymorphone molecule, so the weight will increase, but some was lost during the purification step.

But then you don't get 5 grams of oxymorphone in the inital oxycodone to oxymorphone conversion, you get 2.17g, so you'd end up with anywhere between 1.8 - 2.4 g oxymorphone hydrochloride depending on how much was lost in the purification steps.

The posted procedure isn't complicated, the most difficult part is running the chromatography column to purify it. But if your friend told you that you'd 4.83 g, then he's definitely wrong, and needs to re-read the procedure. Now if he can pull of a codeine to morphine synth, then he'd easily be able to pull this off, as actually the most difficult part of the whole thing is extracting the oxycodone from the pills in the first place.

But going on prices and if it's worth it. Like pain-pateint said, because of oxymorphone's reduced bioavailiblity, the only way that this would benefit you was if you were going to IV it. The narcotic dosage converters say that 80 mg oral oxycodone is equivalent to 40 mg oral oxymorphone. So if an 80 mg Oxy costs $40, then 40 mg oxymorphone is worth $40, so oxymorphone is worth $1 per mg.

So you'd be getting around $2000 worth of oxymorphone minus his 1/2 g = 1500 mg worth $1500.
You'd be giving him 3.25 g of oxycodone, that's 3,250 mg worth $1,625 at $0.50 per mg.
And he wants $1000 as well? Thats taking the piss.

If you were to IV it, then 80 mg oxycodone is equivalent to 4 mg oxymorphone, so that makes the figures as:
If 80 mg Oxy costs $40, then 4 mg oxymorphone is worth $40, so oxymorphone is worth $10 per mg.
So you'd be getting around $20,000 worth of oxymorphone minus his 1/2 g = 1500 mg worth $15,000.
You'd be giving him 3.25 g of oxycodone, that's 3,250 mg worth $1,625 at $0.50 per mg.
And he wants $1000 as well? Thats seems reasonable, but only if you IV it, and I can't see people paying $40 for 5 mg oxymorphone pill.

As he's a long term friend who've you've know for years and has done similar things before for you, then I'd trust him. Only I'd say he could have 1000 of either mg of oxymorphone or $, but half a g oxymorphone and $1000 is too much. Besides he's going to keep all the washes, and column residue, so he'd probably get 100-250mg of impure oxymorphone if he keeps the washes and evaporates the solvent off.

[Nu Jerzey Devil]

Yea woody bear is right, as far as the chemistry goes, it is kind of basic logic and basics in chemistry. What kind of degree is he going for? If it is for a B.S., then he shouldn't be doing this yet unless he has taken organic chemistry. It kind of bothers me that he was asking for $1000 to do this procedure and he told you that you are going to get more products than the reactants you started with. Anybody who has taken general chemistry would tell you this is impossible. First of all there a law of science called "The Law of conservation Mass" it says: "matter
cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products." If your friend told you that you will be getting more (quantity-wise) oxymorphone than oxycodone he should not be doing this kind procedure. That is a basic principle in all science.

Also 100% yield of products would mean you get the same amount of oxymorphone as you do oxycodone which is pretty much impossible even theoretically. Now a yeild of 50-65% is probably attainable but only under ideal conditions and if the chemist performs the procedure very procisely and accurately (no sloppy chemistry). Also remember "limited reagents"

Just my 2 cents and I also noticed this was dated from over a month ago so I am sorry for ressurecting it.

[retrogradeamnesia]

If you were to IV it, then 80 mg oxycodone is equivalent to 4 mg oxymorphone, so that makes the figures as:
If 80 mg Oxy costs $40, then 4 mg oxymorphone is worth $40, so oxymorphone is worth $10 per mg.
So you'd be getting around $20,000 worth of oxymorphone minus his 1/2 g = 1500 mg worth $15,000.
You'd be giving him 3.25 g of oxycodone, that's 3,250 mg worth $1,625 at $0.50 per mg.
And he wants $1000 as well? Thats seems reasonable, but only if you IV it, and I can't see people paying $40 for 5 mg oxymorphone pill.

As he's a long term friend who've you've know for years and has done similar things before for you, then I'd trust him. Only I'd say he could have 1000 of either mg of oxymorphone or $, but half a g oxymorphone and $1000 is too much. Besides he's going to keep all the washes, and column residue, so he'd probably get 100-250mg of impure oxymorphone if he keeps the washes and evaporates the solvent off.

If the price of heroin was $300-400gram it would be worth it (which it is here)

[HandMeSomeOpiates]

I just had a friend offer to convert my oxycodone into oxymorphone. He's going to school to become a chemist, so i know he can do it (he's got like two to three years left)! He also says he can get/make all of the chemicals he needs to convert it (chloroform, hydrochloric acid, etc).

The only problem is he is going to need at least 3 grams with 3.25 being ideal! Now that is ALL of my oxycodone for the whole month (no more until the 11th) and it's going to take him 4-5 days to complete the whole process. i hear that the potency increase is 15 and an overall yield of 50-65% (3.25 grams of oxycodone HCL to 4.75 grams oxymorphone HCL)! Now that's damn good and he says a days dose will be converted into a weeks dose!!!:D

But like anything good it's usually not free. He want's around a thousand bucks for chemicals/work and some of the drug itself (1/2 gram, maybe a little more/less) but i don't have to pay him until he's finished and i've made sure it's good! I don't know what oxymorphone goes for because i have never dealt with it. I just want some opinions if this would be a good deal or not.

thanks for the help!
You sure he's a chemist and not a scam artist? j/k :p

[insaneike]

I'd give him one gram if you really trust him,. and see what he makes of it, if that went well, id give him enxt months script to play with and convert.. You don't HAVE to have 3g+ to do the conversion, but to make it worthwhile it would be ideal to use a good bit. Id tell him to convert a gram of the oxy, and you'll let him keep half if it's good. Then Take next months oxy for the big score.

Also, there is going to be a bit fo product lost here.. Not jsut in the purification of the oxymorphone, but during the extraction process of the oxycodone aswell.. So your yield isn't going to be near 3g tgat you started with, let alone MORE weight than you started with..

Just going on the fact that he said you would get 4.75g out of 3.25g of oxycodone I wouldn't do it, as to me that is kinda saying he is just going to steal your oxy, and give you something else he amde up. Like maybe take some your oxy, mix it with morphine or diamorphine. Because if the weight came out that much more, you can bet it's not pure..

Also, do you have any ideal how dangerous this shit would be!?!?!? Say it was 90% pure oxymorphone, do you have a scale that would ACURATELY weigh this shit? I can see an OD coming from this very easily IF it were to happen. If you think you can eye-ballit you're just being dumb, and don't try! I would ahve hmi go ahead and weigh it out into diff vials each containing 100mg so you at least ave an idea what you're playing with ya know.
Like if you can get fukced form liek just 80mg oxycodone, I can very easily see you over doing it and having an OD on hand man, unless oyu have very GOOD QUALITY SCALE I wouldn't try and dose yourself...

[pharmboy]

So OxyDust did your friend get Oxymorphone ?

I loved Opana its the only thing that I switched to

that worked better than what I was on ( Oxycodone )

But who can afford that shit? Just too expensive for me.

Hope the patent runs out sooon !

Let us know what happened OxyDust.

[mtran]

If the price of heroin was $300-400gram it would be worth it (which it is here)

thats true only when buying small amounts at a time.. sick of AUS pricing for our junk, which state you in?

i wish i knew where to get all the chemicals and tools to play around with extractions and conversions, you guys with chemistry knowledge are like gods to me

would anyone know where i can get my hands on chems like chloroform in Australia without some sort of license?