Playing with coca.. a big mistake..!

[mamasou]

Disclaimer: This is for anyone that wants to play with the powers of this plant...



Most of u guys know mamasou (me) from the papaver somniferum subforum.

Mamasou has a friend that played with the power of coca plant and the story goes like that:

His friend made coca paste from enaco coca leaves powder using simple extraction methods and ended up with super potent coca paste.

He did that for feeling better while trying to kick from opiates...

So he had been smoking the paste for 10 days or so with moderation..

Then, it was Friday.

He had been at work all day with little sleep from last night. But Friday night had a date with a sexy lady..

So he smoked some opium, drunk 3 espresso coffees and smoked some coca paste too at 6 in the evening.

At the time he smoked the paste he felt a bit weird like out of breath and pain in the chest for half an hour or so and it wasnt the first time he was having this feelling while on coke.

He had had the same unpleasent experience a few times before the last 3 days..

Anyway, he went to meet the lady at 11 at night for a drink out in a bar.

Feeling well at the time (although a bit turned on with the sexy lady!!) he had a wine and rolled a cigarrete on the bar..

By the time he started smoking the ciggarete something started going wrong. His heart sped up a bit and chest pain and breathlesness developed.

He said to the lady: "i have to go! my stomach is not very well.."

He took her to the taxis, rushed home, smoked opium as much as he could, took some with him and rushed to the emergencies on a nearby hospital immidiatelly.

His heart was pounding, he was out of breath and his chest felt like having 1000 kilos squeezing him on top...

He though death was imminent.

In the emergencies said to the doc what he felt and they put him down, heart monitoring him..

The doc asked him if he had taken anything..?

He said opiates and benzos...

The doc then said: "allright with all that.. but did you have any coke as well??".

And ofcourse he replied: "yeah i had a little bit at 6 in the evening"

The doc went on to say that it is a typical cocaine induced angina that can go to heart attack!

The doc gave him nitros, beta blockers and insisted that he should relax as much as possible and that they will take good care of him...

He stayed 3 days in the emergency room with constant monitoring, nitros and beta blockers.

He was lucky.. No damage to the heart.. But the next time he will use the coca it might be the last said the doc...

The story is true!

Cocaine can and will kill any people that are sensitive to the effects it has on the heart!

The possibility of having a heart attack the hour following cocaine use is 24 times the normal!!! And it doesnt mean that if you have just a little you are safe. It can still kick your ass ..

Mamasou's friend, had used on a single day, without any problems, 10x the amount of coca he used that Friday night that almost died...

But cocaine is very unpredictable..!


Coca is a powerful plant given as a gift to the people of the Andes. They respect it and use it in traditional ways.

These people are as special as their plant and they are given this gift to help them in difficult times.

It is by no means for use, by anyone else that will not respect it as the Andean people do!

If anyone rapes it with chemicals to reach the cocaine, the powers of this magnificent but unforgiving plant will turn against him!

So beware!

This plant has nothing to do with somniferum which can tolerate the stupidity of human a lot more...

Coca is a plant that can get very angry when not repected!



Ps: I dont look to scare anyone. Just wanted to share this experience with all of you.

Much love to all!

Mamasou

[jonny-5]

i have often felt chest pains, and felt like my heart was gonna explode when smoking crack or shooting coke. its one of the reasons i hate it.

thanx for the info man.

[poonwhalla]

It is a beautiful plant that needs to be respected in all forms from root to rock.

[Narkotikon]

This plant has nothing to do with somniferum which can tolerate the stupidity of human a lot more...

Coca is a plant that can get very angry when not repected!


Good info, and I'm sorry you had to go through that. Luckily I've never had any problems with coke via snorting / smoking, but I've never IV'd, and really have no desire to, as both sides of my family has high blood pressure and heart problems. I can just see me having a heart attack if I tried to IV it.

But, I have to disagree about the somniferum plant tolerating human stupidity. I know a lot of painkillers have been synthesized from the alkaloids in the plant, but I feel that opiates might still be legal if people had never isolated pure morphine from it. I think that brought in a worse era of drug addiction. If people had continued to use opium or poppy tea, then I think things would have gone down differently in the history of drug abuse.

[poonwhalla]

Good info, and I'm sorry you had to go through that. Luckily I've never had any problems with coke via snorting / smoking, but I've never IV'd, and really have no desire to, as both sides of my family has high blood pressure and heart problems. I can just see me having a heart attack if I tried to IV it.

But, I have to disagree about the somniferum plant tolerating human stupidity. I know a lot of painkillers have been synthesized from the alkaloids in the plant, but I feel that opiates might still be legal if people had never isolated pure morphine from it. I think that brought in a worse era of drug addiction. If people had continued to use opium or poppy tea, then I think things would have gone down differently in the history of drug abuse.

I will have to disagree with you on this one. I think that the somniferum plant has tolerated and encountered a lot of human stupidity and will endure more as long as the planet will sustain it. I feel it will be here after we are as long as we as people ain't too stupid to destroy it because of the stigma it carries. :rolleyes:

[God_Albino]

man i really dont understand why so many folks treat plants like sentient beings to match their personal views on what psychoactives are 'good' or 'bad'.

[underide]

There has been a swell in coke-related deaths over here recently.
And quite surprisingly too, a lot of the people that died from coke od's weren't even IV drug users. They would snort their coke and be dead within hours
I remember on one weekend this past winter there were three separate deaths - all very young (probably teenagers if i remember correctly) literally within a day or two of each other, so there has been a very strong media backlash over this. Then it all got even worse when another casualty - this young local model and a rather famous in this country personality had died after snorting some coke.
Naturally some people probably thought it was something that was added to the coke that caused all those deaths, but i think what they found was that it was just some good quality coke + in some cases pre-existing heart conditions.

The government here tried to make it look like they were doing something about it by forcing the cops work overtime on busting small time dealers. A lot of good that did, ofcourse - still more coke here than ever with no signs of any shortages.

[Raz]

I had a corony spasm at 27yrs old....Damaged my heart etc, did i stop smokin charlie,naw.....But dont fuck wiv it now.....
Most corony cases under 40yrs will be somewhat related to cocaine abuse....The first hand experience isnt nice...Its very scary....

[SHELLEY]

i seen with my eyes
someone drop dead after a ridiculously large shot of cocaine
the rest of us were so tweaked we tthought he ws playing
"come on asshole get up, its not funny"

[SynthMorph]

Fuck coke, total waste of time IMO and destroys people much worse and faster than any opiate could ever dream of doing. On top of that the high lasts 2 minutes and then you're left with terrible anxiety, and heart pounding paranoia. From my life experience all the coke heads I knew were weasly, fuckin scum of the earth and really annoying, moody fucks. The only ones that were tolerable were the ones that kept themselves even with some kind of opiate. If you wanna mess with coke keep it at a cup of coca tea in the morning, other than that the shits not worth it. And whoever was objecting to plants not being sentient, they are living sentient beings, just on a much lower scale than any creature capable of movement. I also believe there is some form of life energy when ingesting natural drugs versus synthetics. Natural drugs like opium have all sorts of alkaloids that counter the bad side effects of the morphine and increase the good ones, making it much safer. All those alkaloids make the opium experience much richer and profound than plain isolated morphine. For example, thebaine gives you energy and counters the slowed breathing and drowsiness, papaverine is a muscle relaxant and offsets twitches from morphine and increase blood flow, noscapine increases the dreamy effect and is also a sigma agonist giving energy, fights depression and also increase breathing, and oripavine is a weak partial morpine agonist keeping tolerance in check. Nature is the best chemist out there.

[mamasou]

I had a corony spasm at 27yrs old....Damaged my heart etc, did i stop smokin charlie,naw.....But dont fuck wiv it now.....
Most corony cases under 40yrs will be somewhat related to cocaine abuse....The first hand experience isnt nice...Its very scary....


That is a fact.

Coronary spasm - angina - heart attack and sudden death at ages 18 - 45 is almost always related to cocaine use.

From mamasou's experience the high from pure coca paste when smoked lasts almost an hour but the rush is less than a minute. It is a profound experience to be honest. Just doesnt woth dying from it...

And it will hit you sometime with mathematical accuracy...

Also i believe that people do not die so often from coke cause simply they dont use it everyday and the coke they use is only around 10% pure most times.

[OxyContinuously]

oh my goodness, mamasou

glad that worked out as it could have been a lot worse

jsut a quickie: how much coca leaves did u need to make an acceptable amount of paste?

i',m guessing maybe at least a pound?

just askin cause i have never done that and was wondering is all...

probably some ether, and maybe acetone, i would imagine...man, i am glad that worked out

i agree with jonny-5 about hating coke. although i never shot it, snorting it, as i got older, just became more and more stressful for me...i lost all the good qualities and just got super-paranoid, jittery and all that, so i don't fuck with it

i do have experience with "mate de coca" tea from the dominican neighborhoods down in the Bronx...i followed the instructions, though and instead of using one tea bag i used 4 and let it steep in boiling water for about fifteen minutes...results were very enjoyable as it felt like a smoother, cleaner version of coffee...no crash either which surprised me, although i would suspect taking it orally, and as the whole plant material probably helped this...

you're quite right: when u start extracting the cocaine out, u disturb the natural balance of the plant that God made, so u abandon the rest of the alkaloids that probably even out the over-stimulation..

anyway, take care and please be careful---> even the "mate" made as regular tea has damaging potential; like i wouldn't dare use more than the 4 bags i used, u know

take care

[SeVeN]

I fucking loathe coke. I can't believe I used so much when I was younger. Just another reason to stay the fuck away for me.

[Papa Verine]

I'm with all you guys on this... I can't stand the shit anymore. You get high for 20 minutes and then for the next 4 hours you're fucked, peeking out the windows. I hate that feeling! It's the opposite of opiates, the way I want to feel.

I did it A lot when I was younger. I can't understand why the craving for coke is soooo strong. I guess it's that first 20 minutes that gets ya. But fuck that shit, I don't do coke anymore.

[mamasou]

how much coca leaves did u need to make an acceptable amount of paste?

200grams of powdered leaves will give 1-2 grams of coca paste.




you're quite right: when u start extracting the cocaine out, u disturb the natural balance of the plant that God made, so u abandon the rest of the alkaloids that probably even out the over-stimulation..

actually coca paste is not only cocaine base. it ranges from 50-80% cocaine together with all the other alkaloids in base form (methylecgonine cinnamate, benzoylecgonine, trainline, hydroxytropacocaine, tropacocaine, ecgonine, cuscohygrine... etc)

but only the fact that u raped the plant with chemicals is enough to make it angry..

[mamasou]

You get high for 20 minutes and then for the next 4 hours you're fucked, peeking out the windows. I hate that feeling!

.....I can't understand why the craving for coke is soooo strong. I guess it's that first 20 minutes that gets ya.

Pap, stay away from it...

But if i have to be honest with you pure cocaine has nothing to do with the shit we hav all tried from the streets...

There is no paranoia..

Actually it is a relaxed power that takes away almost anything.

Even opiate withdrawals at some rate...

It is trully a mood brightener and a power giver ...

BUT!... it will kick your ass 100% by damaging your heart and will..

And when I say heart i mean it literally!

[Raz]

My personal experience re ze charlie is; not being abusin it/takin it for a while then you'll get a nice high..
But once ya start abusin it, shit i used to slide out of bed, release handbrake,let car roll and then start up when safely out of hearing distance from my house...

When the chick finally woke up i would be in ze kitchen,9ml in waistband and suckin on dat glass pipe like a hooker workin....
End result of that binge= 10yr jail sentence.....Did i say smokin charlie will fuck ya judgement?:rolleyes:

[OxyContinuously]

<snip>200grams of powdered leaves will give 1-2 grams of coca paste.</snip>


<snipPt2>but only the fact that u raped the plant with chemicals is enough to make it angry..</snipPt2>

cool, i was wondering...so more or less a little less than a half-lb...

and you're right,, i'm sure it gets pretty pissed at the chems :-X

[nick]

There's an old joke about coke,which goes something along the lines of they shouldn't call it freebasing because it sure ain't free.They should call it homebasing because you'll end up losing your home.

It's not funny,but it's very true.Hell,I owned a nice home till I got into coke,I lost it and very nearly my sanity.

Actually,I'd rather have lost my sanity and kept the house,but what can you do?

[Duckfeet]

Yup: I've *never* thought of myself as a cocaine lover, but like most hype dopefiends--from William Burroughs on to us--I've sat up all night slamming shot after shot, and really believe that it was cocaine--not heroin/dilaudids--that destroyed my veins, long before this crappy california/tijuana tar came on the scene, and finished the job...

But I've also lived for a bit in Peru, up in Trujillo, and you could buy bags of the leaves in any open air market, which they had everywhere, and I've always seen the plant itself as benign, and nothing has changed that...

Nope, the real problem is what *we* are, which is die-and-go-to-hell dopefiends, which mean that we can't do *anything* moderately, and rather than chew a few leaves w/just a pinch of lime, we tend to pig out at four in the morning, and naturally have problems, hell, I can't drink fucking *coffee* moderately, so I always think that the real problem always is between my ears, not in the plant or the substance itself...

[nick]

Amen,drugs are inanimate substances...........it's us that's the problem.

[mamasou]

The following is from: http://www.boliviangeographic.com/Spring2002/coca.htm

It is a legend but it tells many things that are true! Read it if you like.


The Incas held the coca plant in such high regard that they called it "K'oca," which means sacred, exalted (highly praised), and unique. Its leaves were used by the elders and medicine men to predict good fortune or disaster.

Legend tells of a very wise and holy man, named Khana Chuyma, who lived on an island in Lake Titicaca. As High Priest, he was guardian of the Sun God's treasures and threw the treasures into the depths of the lake to prevent the sacred gold from falling into the hands of the Spanish conquerors.

Captured by the Spanish, Khana Chuyma withstood the cruelest of tortures without a word about the gold's whereabouts escaping his lips and eventually the soldiers relented and left him for dead in a nearby field.

That night, amidst his agony, the Sun God appeared to him and said: "My son, you deserve to be generously rewarded for your heroic sacrifice. Ask of me whatever you wish, and I will grant it".

"Oh my beloved God, what favor can I ask of you in this time of pain and defeat, but for the redemption of my people and the expulsion of the invaders?"

"That which you ask of me," said the Sun, "is now impossible. I am powerless against these intruders. Their god has defeated me, and I too must flee, to hide myself amidst the mysteries of time. But before I leave, I would like to bestow upon you something that is within my powers."
Khana Chuyma responded by asking for something that would help his people to endure the slavery and hardships that awaited them us - something which was not gold.

The Sun god showed him the coca plant and said " Tell your people that they should cultivate these plants with care and pick its leaves. After the leaves have been dried, they should be chewed, for their juice will be a balsam to relieve the sufferings of your people. When they lie exhausted from the endless toil for which they are destined, these leaves will give your people new vitality. On their long journeys through the highlands, coca will alleviate hunger and cold and make their way more tolerable. In the mines, where their new masters will force them to work, the darkness and terror of the deep caves will be unbearable without the help of this plant”.

"When they wish to gaze into the future," the deity continued, "a handful of these leaves tossed to the winds will reveal the mysteries of fate. But while these leaves will signify health, strength, and life for you and your people, they are accursed for your oppressors. When they attempt to exploit its virtues, the coca will destroy them. What for your people will be divine nourishment, will for the invader inevitably create conflict among his kind”.

[Narkotikon]

The following is from: http://www.boliviangeographic.com/Spring2002/coca.htm

It is a legend but it tells many things that are true! Read it if you like.


The Incas held the coca plant in such high regard that they called it "K'oca," which means sacred, exalted (highly praised), and unique. Its leaves were used by the elders and medicine men to predict good fortune or disaster.

Legend tells of a very wise and holy man, named Khana Chuyma, who lived on an island in Lake Titicaca. As High Priest, he was guardian of the Sun God's treasures and threw the treasures into the depths of the lake to prevent the sacred gold from falling into the hands of the Spanish conquerors.

Captured by the Spanish, Khana Chuyma withstood the cruelest of tortures without a word about the gold's whereabouts escaping his lips and eventually the soldiers relented and left him for dead in a nearby field.

That night, amidst his agony, the Sun God appeared to him and said: "My son, you deserve to be generously rewarded for your heroic sacrifice. Ask of me whatever you wish, and I will grant it".

"Oh my beloved God, what favor can I ask of you in this time of pain and defeat, but for the redemption of my people and the expulsion of the invaders?"

"That which you ask of me," said the Sun, "is now impossible. I am powerless against these intruders. Their god has defeated me, and I too must flee, to hide myself amidst the mysteries of time. But before I leave, I would like to bestow upon you something that is within my powers."
Khana Chuyma responded by asking for something that would help his people to endure the slavery and hardships that awaited them us - something which was not gold.

The Sun god showed him the coca plant and said " Tell your people that they should cultivate these plants with care and pick its leaves. After the leaves have been dried, they should be chewed, for their juice will be a balsam to relieve the sufferings of your people. When they lie exhausted from the endless toil for which they are destined, these leaves will give your people new vitality. On their long journeys through the highlands, coca will alleviate hunger and cold and make their way more tolerable. In the mines, where their new masters will force them to work, the darkness and terror of the deep caves will be unbearable without the help of this plant”.

"When they wish to gaze into the future," the deity continued, "a handful of these leaves tossed to the winds will reveal the mysteries of fate. But while these leaves will signify health, strength, and life for you and your people, they are accursed for your oppressors. When they attempt to exploit its virtues, the coca will destroy them. What for your people will be divine nourishment, will for the invader inevitably create conflict among his kind”.

Interesting. Like you said, it's a legend. I highly doubt this is totally accurate though, as the Inca and other Andean cultures knew about coca and its effects long before the Spanish came. Well, not about how addictive isolated cocaine would be, but you know what I mean. They knew it provided energy and increased breathing in the thin air of the Andes long before the European invasion.

[mamasou]

Yes, Nark. As you say they knew of Koka long before the Spaniards.

The thing that makes me wonder is how a drug that can be so hard on the heart is consumed by these people in these high altitudes?

I came to believe that the Andean people are indeed diffrent from the white (caucasian) and that their system can tolereate and use Koka much better.

Personally, I know im sensitive/weak and even chewing on the leaves can make my heart struggle (due to coronary constriction).

But I have heard that these people conume large amounts every day chewing the leaves.

They must have very strong hearts..

Also living at such high altitudes must have contributed to an overall more tolerant/strong circulatory/heart system.

[nick]

Living in that kinda society at high altitude and using a much weaker form of the drug probably explains it.

After saying that,I'm sure there's a fair few coke related deaths in Peru/Bolivia/Colombia region......even without the cartels help

[mamasou]

Nick you must be right man.

I suspect too, that even chewing leaves must have contributed to at least a few heart related deaths over there.

[mamasou]

I have a fair amount of Enaco powdered leaves left and i tried a very little amount (1/2 teaspoon) with calcium bicarbonate...

I kept it in my mouth for 5 min and had all the effects of Koka (stimulation, higher respiratiomn rate, higher heart rate, clear mind...)

but...

.. also had a fair amount of coronary constriction...

which after my E.R. adventure I know excactly how it feels... and counter-acted it immediately with sublingual nitroglycerin spray

So, simply, Koka is not for me Im aifraid

Right now im smoking my opium which i know i can tolerate (althougfh being dependent and constipated isnt a happy situation, but at leats i will not die..)

So if anyone has suspicions of a sensitive heart just stay clear of the drug.

Which of course I, who I knew all these beforehand, didnt follow...

Took my lesson though!

[gauchoamigo]

Well, hell with coca leaves... I have made a HUGE mistake tonight. 3 years ago, crack cocaine gave me a heart attack. Today, probably because i was full of alprazolam and diazepam and there is a hellish shortage of heroin in central Scotland just now, i was persuaded to buy a half of a sixteenth of an ounce of crack.
The first few pipes brought back the good memories but now i am sitting having run a large rock down the foil and feel like my heart is going crazy... not beating but fluttering... I have just had to take a handful of benzos, like 6mg alprazolam, 30-40mg diazepam, and 36mg bromazepam oh yeah and two or three 2mg Rivotrilos as well... hoping to feel a bit better. The stuff is just so 'more-ish' that even feeling like this I fancy a line from the foil... what am I, some sort of bloody fool, playing with fire that's burnt me bad before? I'm 50 now, no teen; no sense either so it would seem. I blame the shortage, drought even, of heroin round here. everybody - almost everybody - is RATTLING like God knows what and resorting to mixes of opioids like dihydrocodeine and benzos. Methadone has never been in greater demand. WHY did I take the cocaine? I am stupid.
Has my brain gone soft?
Do others do the same in similar circumstances? Is there a drought of proper heroin anywhere else? THAT would be nice to know. Is there any part of the UK where there is actually good quality skag?
GA

[nick]

Well, hell with coca leaves... I have made a HUGE mistake tonight. 3 years ago, crack cocaine gave me a heart attack. Today, probably because i was full of alprazolam and diazepam and there is a hellish shortage of heroin in central Scotland just now, i was persuaded to buy a half of a sixteenth of an ounce of crack.
The first few pipes brought back the good memories but now i am sitting having run a large rock down the foil and feel like my heart is going crazy... not beating but fluttering... I have just had to take a handful of benzos, like 6mg alprazolam, 30-40mg diazepam, and 36mg bromazepam oh yeah and two or three 2mg Rivotrilos as well... hoping to feel a bit better. The stuff is just so 'more-ish' that even feeling like this I fancy a line from the foil... what am I, some sort of bloody fool, playing with fire that's burnt me bad before? I'm 50 now, no teen; no sense either so it would seem. I blame the shortage, drought even, of heroin round here. everybody - almost everybody - is RATTLING like God knows what and resorting to mixes of opioids like dihydrocodeine and benzos. Methadone has never been in greater demand. WHY did I take the cocaine? I am stupid.
Has my brain gone soft?
Do others do the same in similar circumstances? Is there a drought of proper heroin anywhere else? THAT would be nice to know. Is there any part of the UK where there is actually good quality skag?
GA

I doubt it will make you feel any better,but the drought isn't just in Central Scotland.It's large parts of England too.

There's still dope in Moss side......there's always dope in Moss side.

[mamasou]

The first few pipes brought back the good memories but now i am sitting having run a large rock down the foil and feel like my heart is going crazy... not beating but fluttering... I have just had to take a handful of benzos, like 6mg alprazolam, 30-40mg diazepam, and 36mg bromazepam oh yeah and two or three 2mg Rivotrilos as well... hoping to feel a bit better.


In that situation one should take as benzos as he can AND some nitroglycerin to counteract the constricting effect of cocaine.

I have Nitrolingual Spray.

In the UK or other parts might have another or similar name. It can save your life!



....Has my brain gone soft?


No mate.. You are just a desperate sucker like I was. I knew everything about the heart related dangers of cocaine and had an existing heart condition.

Still I used it to counteract the dull feeling of kicking from opium...

The result: 3 days in th E.R. and back to the opium use I was...

No worries. We are just desperate jacks!

[Saint]

For me coke is something I appreciated when still very young but as soon as I 'discovered' opiates my interest in coke faded away with time. The few occasions I tried some after my initial speedball-period, it just made me feel paranoid, heart pounding.. sick.
A lot of people in my scene have died during the past ten years and the majority of them were coke-heads. Three of them died from a heartattack.
Another one is still alive after a seizure + a heartattack but barely made it. Ofcourse it's possible that they already suffered from some unknown heart condition but I doubt if they'd been death if it wasn't for the endless amount of coke they used.
I really got to dislike the stuff. A friend of mine gets really weird after doing coke.. he starts to stutter, is unable to talk normally, just sitting on the couch, shaky, covered in sweat.. looking scary.. what the hell is the fun in that?..

[mamasou]

My first few experiences with pure coca paste were really good I should say.

Added to the effect, must have been the fact that it was my creation...

I spent a few nights smoking opium and paste endlessly without problems.

But that was the very first few days.

Proggresively, and as the metabolites of the coca paste started to build up in my system, they must have poisoned my heart slowly but steady...

Then it was a time bomb ready to blow up..

And it happened on a low-use day (it must have been the 10th-15th day from the beginning of the abuse) that the thing truly hit me and nearly killed me...

As i said I have a few episodes the days before that event. They were pretty scary. I felt squeezing on my chest and was almost breathless for 30 min after usage...

I wonder why I kept using it. It is a very powerful and seducing substance for sure.

But also soooo deadly!

Guys be careful and if you can keep a Nitrolingual Spray at reach. It might save your life.

Koka is a vaso-constrictor and that spray is exactly what you need at that moment to counteract it.

Benzos and opiates can help bring the heart rhythm down as well.