ritalin and hydro

[bigNasty]

Will ritalin or hydro show up on a five panel test? And i did UTFSE but got conflicting answers on the hydro and no answer on the MPH

[eveline]

I don't think either would show up. I believe the opiate test tests for morphine, codeine, and 6-acetyl-morphine (a heroin metabolite), and the amphetamine test tests for methamphetamine and amphetamine. None of these are metabolites of hydro or methylphenidate... at least MAJOR metabolites so it may depend on how much you've been using... better safe than sorry as always, but in my opinion you should be OK.

Somebody want to chime in with experience?

[havok]

The hydrocodone will definitly show up on the 5 panel test, but not the ritalin.

The newer Opi 300 opiate test (which is what they use for the 5 panels) detects pretty much every opiate except methadone and buprenorphine.

[eveline]

The hydrocodone will definitly show up on the 5 panel test, but not the ritalin.

The newer Opi 300 opiate test (which is what they use for the 5 panels) detects pretty much every opiate except methadone and buprenorphine.

Hmm, from what I can tell, OPI 300 means it tests for morphine with a cutoff of 300 ng/mL, and OPI 2000 means morphine with a cutoff of 2000 ng/mL. Erowid says the higher cutoff is the newer one, and that they changed it to avoid false positives. I'm not completely sure that morphine isn't a minor metabolite of hydrocodone (that's why experiences would be good), but it doesn't look like that test tests for anything but morphine...

[405FREEWAY]

The 5 panel test will come back positive for hydro. Bet on it.

[underide]

Eveline is right - Hydrocodone WILL NOT show up on the standard five panel test.
Here is why - standard 5panels test for morphine and it's metabolites. Hydrocodone does not break down into morphine so it goes undetected.

Hydromorphone will not show up on the standard five panel test either. Neither will Oxycodone for that matter.
It is still possible to test for hydro, obviously, but not with your standard 5-panel

Here is something to back me up (taken from another website):

"Hydrocodone will not cause a positive result in a standard opiate urine test. Many opiate tests test only for morphine (which both codeine and heroin break down into). This is true for both home/business kits and laboratory testing. Hydrocodone does not break down into morphine, and is therefore not detected by these tests (standard dip-stick 5 panel tests).


"Hydromorphone does not show up in the basic opiate test which is part of the standard pre-employment drug test. The opiate test tests primarily for morphine (which both codeine and heroin break down into). Hydromorphone does not break down into morphine, therefore it is not detected. As with most substances, hydromorphone is possible to test for, but this is extremely uncommon.


5 panel tests test only for Morphine, codeine and heroin (both of which break down into morphine anyway)

[havok]

Nope, I know for a fact hydrocodone will show up on a standard 5 panel test. I have been tested many times with different 5 panel tests, and hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, etc all show up on the test.

That information you posted is out of date. The really old 5 panel tests didn't use to detect anything but morphine, but any 5 panel tests in the last 5 years will definitly detect all opiates besides methadone and buprenorphine. I have been tested with various 5 panel tests and they all detected oxycodone and hydrocodone.

This is true for both the Opi 300 and Opi 2000 tests. They will detect all opiates including hydrocodone. I know this from experience.

[bigNasty]

Glad i asked this question cause i was getting conflicting evidence everywhere i look and so far I've gotten 3 yes's and 3 no's from my fellow ophiles.

[rockbottom]

Hydro -yes,:( Ritalin -no

[underide]

Nope, I know for a fact hydrocodone will show up on a standard 5 panel test. I have been tested many times with different 5 panel tests, and hydrocodone, oxycodone, hydromorphone, etc all show up on the test.

That information you posted is out of date. The really old 5 panel tests didn't use to detect anything but morphine, but any 5 panel tests in the last 5 years will definitly detect all opiates besides methadone and buprenorphine. I have been tested with various 5 panel tests and they all detected oxycodone and hydrocodone.

This is true for both the Opi 300 and Opi 2000 tests. They will detect all opiates including hydrocodone. I know this from experience.

We meet again, havok :D
I honestly have nothing against you, and from what i remember you have posted some interesting stuff, but i can assure you that you are being mistaken right here. But looks like it's not just you, and i think i can see where all the confusion on this topic is coming from.
You cannot test for Hydrocodone with the standard 5-panel, because those tests test specifically for morphine. Hydrocodone, hydromorphone and oxycodone DO NOT break down into morphine, therefore the standard 5 panel tests cannot be used to detect either of the latter 3.
They can only be used to test for use of Opium, Morphine, Codeine and Heroin (and ofcourse the other 4 non-opiate/opioid compounds)
I think where all the confusion is coming from is from the fact that you CAN use a dipstick test to test for hydrocodone/morphone and oxycodone, etc. But that is an entirely different test, and they use a different re-agent that detects the metabolites of those opioids that your standard 5 panel tests simply does not test for. But i think the dipsicks they use for that look pretty much similar to your standard 5-panel.

So yes, ofcourse it is possible to test for Hydro - codone/morphone, etc and even with a dip/stick test (and i'm sure they do test you for it at your clinics, i'm not arguing that at all), but NOT with a didpstick that tests specifically for Morphine/Codeine and its' metabolites, i.e the standard 5-panel test.
Furthermore, the website that i referrenced seems to update their information quite often, so this is not some old information that i just pulled out of my ass, this comes from people who can definitely vouch for this kind of shit better than you or me.

here is your standard 5-panel dip stick _ and notice that it is not old, it is what they sell and use to this day:
http://www.meditests.com/mulurtesopco.html

Look where it describes what it does tests for and where it says:

"... Morphine is the prototype compound of this group. Morphine is excreted in the urine primarily as morphine-3-glucuronide while smaller amounts are excreted as unchanged free morphine and other metabolites. It is also the major metabolic product of codeine and heroin. Morphine is delectable in the urine for several days after an opiate dose. "

It only mentions morphine and its' metabolites being tested for - it doesn't mention hydro, oxy or anything else, because neither of them breakdown into morphine or its' metabolites.
Do you see where i'm coming from? If it doesn't break down into morphine, which hydro does not, then you cannot test for it, with the standard 5 pannel test.

You CAN, test for hydro with a dipstick, but that is another test and that is what is probably used in your clinics, since obviously they expect you to use other opioids which cannot be tested for with the original dipstick test.

Where i live, we don't see much pharmaceutical opiate abuse, that's why the standard 5 panel tests are still being used, as they are considered sufficient here.
That is how a buddy of mine was able to order hydro off the internet and get away with its' use, since we are just not being tested for it here, and we do use the standard 5 panels here.

Oh and they can indeed test for methadone using dipsticks too. They are not your standard 5 panel, but they look exactly like the standard 5panel does - only they test for Opiates(morhine/codeine) Amphetamines, Cocaine, Benzo's and Methadone (metabolites). And this i can vouch 100% for, since that is what i have been tested with by my gp, who would normally test me right in his office before giving me my weekly methadone script.
So, they can definitely test for pretty much anything, with the simple dipstick tests, but they are not your "standard 5 pannell tests" which was the original topic of this thread.

BigNasty - I think the question is, what kind of dipstick test they will be using
If it is the standard which only tests for morphine and its' metabolites, then you will be clear, but if it is a test which can test for hydro, oxycodone, etc, they you will fail your test.
So, in any case, your'e best not using if you don't know exactly which dipsticks they are going to be using, and i wouldn't be surprised if they tested you for Hydro, oxy, methadone etc..
If you are going to the methadone clinic, you probably will be tested for all of the above.
Good luck!

[bigNasty]

it's for a job so I'm assuming they'll only use the "standard 5 panel drug test". I used oxy before a pre-employment drug test a few weeks ago and passed so i was wondering how hydro would make me fail one. Hydrocodone breaks down into hydromorphone, correct?

[eveline]

it's for a job so I'm assuming they'll only use the "standard 5 panel drug test". I used oxy before a pre-employment drug test a few weeks ago and passed so i was wondering how hydro would make me fail one. Hydrocodone breaks down into hydromorphone, correct?

Yeah, in general I think the extended tests are used mostly by places that really do suspect you of drug use or want specifics, i.e. methadone clinics/sub doctors and PM doctors. If it's a regular (hourly) job they're cheap and will most likely just do a 5-panel... I think some of the higher-paying jobs (maybe dangerous ones too) might do an extended test though. You never know, but if they tell you to take a sheet to a lab (that's the way my pre-employment tests have been) you can look at the sheet and sometimes tell whether it's a 5-panel or extended (if it says NIDA-5 that's obvious, or you can google the code on the sheet). <--that tip came from Roxi

Some of the hydrocodone will break down into hydromorphone, some is excreted unchanged, and some gets metabolized through other pathways (to other things). If people have failed a test from hydro and they're sure it was a 5-panel, then maybe you have reason to be nervous (and make other plans), but I still suspect maybe it was an extended test and they didn't know...

METABOLITES: Unchanged drug, norhydrocodone, conjugated hydrocodone, 6-hydrocodol, and conjugated 6-hydromorphol.Hydrocodone exhibits a complex pattern of metabolism including O-demethylation, N-demethylation and 6-ketoreduction to the corresponding 6-α- and 6-β-hydroxymetabolites.^^this is a little over my head, but I know the O-demethylation turns it into hydromorphone, and none of those are gonna turn it into morphine.

Better safe than sorry, though, really, [haha, oops, I already said that] so maybe ignore what me and underide are saying, assume you'll fail, and plan accordingly? Good luck either way, drug testing sucks...

[havok]

I'm sorry underide, but you are wrong. The standard 5 panel tests do NOT just test for morphine. All 5 panel tests made in the last 3-4 years test for all opiates except methadone and buprenorphine. Specifically there are 2 main opiate tests that are included in the standard 5 panel tests. They go by the name Opi 300 or Opi 2000. I know for a fact that both the Opi 300 and Opi 2000 tests that are part of the standard 5 panel tests will detect all opiates including hydrocodone. If you don't believe me, go buy a 5 panel test and take some hydrocodone, and test yourself. It will be positive.

[underide]

There's just no arguing with you, is there, havok? :D

I guess it's probably rather silly of me to argue about this in any case, since i suspect a lot of the places in your country use the extended opioid test in any case, which looks EXACTLY like the standard 5-panel with one major difference - that they test for hydro, etc AS WELL as for morphine and its' metabolites.

So my side of the argument was only to support the fact that the original/standard 5-panel dipstcik tests only for Morphine and will not detect hydro since it does not break down into morphine.
The other side of the argument was that you said that the test i was talking about is 'outdated and not being used anymore' (as well as my info, which is not true at all, by the way) while clearly it is still very much in use, it's just that some companies/clinics now employ the extended version of the 5-panel which DOES test for hydro as well as morphine and its' metabolites.

Bottom line is - if you are only being tested for morphine and its' metabolites, you will not test positive for hydro, and that is a fact.

I guess i should have just stated the above right from the start without having to argue about all this dipstick nonsense since i guess it's just irrelevant at this stage anyway.

I think i'll leave it at that and agree to disagree with you on this one (once again).
No hard feelings, i hope..

[SynthMorph]

Dude is right. When i was pissing at the done clinic the regular opiate test could detect oxy at the 300ng/ml level. The thing is it was easier to cheat using oxy because it doesn't show at such as high levels as morphine. For example: you take a bunch of oxy and you might piss 350ng/ml for opiates. Take an equivalent amount of morphine and it'll be in the 3000-4000 range in ng/ml. Pretty sure that applies for hydro as well.

[havok]

I'm sorry if I sound like a dick, I just have alot of experience testing dirty with these so called standard 5 panel tests.

Me and several people I know have tested dirty for opiates several times using many different standard 5 panel tests, and all we took was oxycodone or hydrocodone. This is part of the reason why I know that almost all opiates including hydrocodone and oxycodone will show up on standard 5 panel tests.

I have also talked to many people including test takers and probation officers who told me that hydrocodone, oxycodone, and hydromorphone will show up on the standard 5 panel dip stick tests.

[bigNasty]

I'm just gonna take bup to make sure i pass it. Thanks everyone for the responses even though I still don't know the answer to my question. I'll buy a 5 panel test from a pharmacy and take hydro and see what happens next time i have $30 to waste

[jonny-5]

i have tested positive for opiates on a 5 panel after only having taken hydro.

all i can speak from is personal experience. oxy will not show up as opi on a 5 panel, it hasnt for me anyway.

[underide]

I'll buy a 5 panel test from a pharmacy and take hydro and see what happens next time i have $30 to waste

Please do, and let us all know how it goes. I'd be pretty tempted to actually get one myself, if i had any hydro, that is.
And please, if you can, try to get the original 5 panel which only tests for morphine and its' metabolites.
Ask the pharmacists, i'm sure they know the score.

That was the whole point of the argument for me - I was never claiming that you cannot be tested for hydro with the 5 panel test - i'm sure you can and i'm sure you are being tested for it with such.
I only said that you cannot be tested with the Standard 5 panel which ONLY tests for morphine and its' metabolites and which is the test they still use over here, hence my buddy being able to pass clear at his clinic.
I think some people may be confusing the newer extended 5 panel test for the original one, which is still being used too.