this info is being passed onto the general public

[clinton]

Oxy FAQ
What is OXYCONTIN?
OXYCONTIN is one of several OPIUM derivatives (Heroin is also an opium derivative). It is a high potency pain killer that comes in time released tablets that last for 12h hours. As far as pills on the street go, Oxycontin is a HAND GRENADE amongst firecrackers.
Why is it a problem?
According to media reports the drug was over marketed by the maker Purdue Pharma and the pills are easily available on the street. Kids have figured out that if you chew/crush or snort the tablet that you bypass the time release feature and it will give you a high much like HIGH GRADE heroin but with worse consequences. Most kids are actually not aware of the heroin link and do not realize how DANGEROUS this drug is. 5mg of OXY has has as much active ingredient (oxycodone) as One percocet. So chewing/snorting a 80mgOxy is like taking 16 percocets all at once. Again KIDS just don't realize what they are putting into their system from ONE SMALL little pill.
What are the consequences?
Oxycontin suppresses the respiratory system and when combined with alcohol or other depressants it is often DEADLY. Often the person goes to sleep and their respirations slowly decrease until breathing stops completely.

Can a person LEGALLY prescribed OXYCONTIN become addicted?
Contrary to FALSE CLAIMS THAT LESS THAN 1% of PATIENTS GET ADDICTED, the CT Attorney General has stated the addiction rate is around 13% but some feel it is as high as 30%. All Patients (100%) do get physically dependent, which means they will suffer physical SEVERE FLU LIKE WITHDRAWALS IF THEY SUDDENLY STOP TAKING IT.
What are symptoms of an overdose?
Slow breathing, seizures, dizziness, weakness, loss of consciousness, coma, confusion, tiredness, COLD and CLAMMY SKIN and SMALL
PUPILS.
WHAT DO YOU DO IF YOU THINK YOUR FRIEND IS IN DANGER OF AN OVERDOSE?
What are the street names for OXYCONTIN?
OXY, OXY's, OXIES, OXYCOTTON, OC's, KILLERS, OCEANS, O's, OXYCOFFINS, Hillbilly Heroin

How do you kick an OXYCONTIN addiction?
Just like heroin it is almost impossible to do alone as the withdrawal symptoms are worse than heroin and last longer. Professional help from a heroin detox center is the best and safest way to do this. Here is some advice on withdrawal and Buprenix from patients...Also see ASK THE DOCTOR and other advice and links on my HELP PAGE.
How much will cause an overdose?
Everyone's body is different but as little as half a pill when combined with alcohol or other depressants can lower your respiratory system enough to kill you. Taken in high doses OXYCONTIN alone can kill you.





this claims that oxycontin w/d is worse than and also last longer than heroin w/d...
true or false?
is it relative to the user?

[Narkotikon]

As usual, it's a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information, probably designed as a scare tactic. Where did this info come from?

I guess it's subjective, but I don't find that oxy w/d is any worse than H, and it doesn't last any longer either. But, that's just me.

[clinton]

a propaganda site that calls for the immediate banning of all oxycodone based drugs along with a few other opiates...i always get drawn into them, i love reading the bs and reading the lies that these people spread and base it on the actual life experiences that we discuss here..........

[Opiyum]

Right because banning things outright has always worked in the past. Education and harm reduction and prevention are just stupid idea's.

[clinton]

im going to post some of the testimonials i read,i agree, oxy is dangerous but so are cigarettes,cars,whiskey etc.........
the poster are blaming oxy like it is satan hellbent on killing everyone that uses it...
reading through the posts i noticed a pattern with most of the deaths...yet the thing i noticed gets glossed over again and again, the only thing being blamed oxy.....im not being uncompassionate btw, these are quite sad and break my heart to read, these deaths have more to do with ignorance and a lack of harm reduction knowledge.......



1.Lynn (Raye was her first name but everyone called her Lynn) is the
granddaughter of my sister. This just happened on 16 February. Lynn was on
a life support system until Feb 20 but the doctors told her family there was
no hope for her--she was brain dead. Lynn was a beautiful person who loved
life; divorced from her husband, and had two little daughters ages 3 1/2 and
1 1/2. Her viewing is today in Thomasville, NC, where they lived. She'll be
laid to rest tomorrow. I'm told she was given the OxyContin by prescription
from a doctor recommended to her by friends for back pain. Lynn's friend
with whom she lived said she was ok at 2:30 a.m. on Feb 16, he heard her
coughing around 9 a.m. and went to check on her. When he saw her condition
he called the rescue squad. Lynn had no pulse when they arrived. We're not
sure whether her friend's version is reliable. He may have even been the on
that gave her the OxyContin. An investigation is ongoing. Lynn's mother,
Connie, never left Lynn's side from the time she arrived at the hospital
until it was time to disconnect the life support. Lynn carried a donor
organ card so if any of her organs could be used they were donated. The
hospital said Lynn's blood contained a little cocaine and xanax but enough OxyContin to kill 10 people.



2.Mary was 49 when she died from the results of Oxycontin. She was my soon to
be mother in law. She died 5 months before I married her son. In late
March 2004, she was rushed to the emergency room with a toxic mega colon.
She died two weeks later as a result of constipation caused by Oxycontin
which resulted in the mega colon and then septic shock. She left behind so
many people who loved her. She was a free spirit who loved everyone she
met. Her light and her humor and her generosity touched so many people.
She was robbed of ever knowing her grandchildren, watching her son get
married, and god knows how many other wonderful experiences. We placed a
chair with her mother of the groom corsage on stage when we got married, and
during the ceremony there was a moment of silence for her. On what would
have been an otherwise joyous day, people were weeping, not from happiness,
but from loss. Oxycontin robbed my husband of his mother and my children of
one of their grandmothers, and for that I will forever be infuriated.

3.My good friend was a successful business man. He had been sober in AA for many years. His back was very bad and was afraid of his dependence to percoset. His doctor told him of a new drug oxycontin that would be safe for him to use because it would not give him the rush of percs.

I ended up taking him to a rapid detox in Phoenix to help him get of these highly addicting pills. It did not work. He ended up having doctors all over the country so he could get more of them.

When he could get no more he ended up drinking very heavily for several weeks then killed him self by shooting himself in the chest.

I guess it is not that funny.

The doctor was told by the pharmaceutical rep that this drug was safe for patients with addiction problems. Good marketing huh.


4.My sister, LuAnne Wright, lost her medicaid benefits and was plunged into cold-turkey withdrawal from prescribed oxycontin (for chronic pain).

She shot herself on December 8, 2005, one week after her 41st birthday.

She was very loved by all who knew her, especially her daughter Shannon, 10.


5.My only brother, Steven, did not die of an overdose of oxycontin. He was, instead, so terribly addicted to this potent killer - taking five 40's a day - that when he had a surgery, he went through his prescription in three days. He had just had one of his cancerous testicles removed (his prognosis was excellent) and the pain was excruciating. His doctor didn't know he had become addicted to oxycontin.
Steven suffered horrendous, terrible pain as a result of his oxycontin abuse.
Screaming alone in pain, he brought himself to write a loving letter to his family.
Then he put a bullet in his heart.
The contempt I feel for the makers and prescribers of this drug is tremendous. Every single day, the pain finds it's way back to me and becomes a veritable dagger.
Nobody should have to live with the knowledge that their loved one suffered so in their lasts hours on this earth.
Each day I quietly celebrate the joy I had in knowing and loving my brother Steven.


6.He had been prescribed oc's 6 years prior to his suicide for a bike accident, and obviously became physically addicted, then began to abuse them.

7.Yesterday one of my close friends died of an overdose of Oxycontin. He took an 80mg OC nd 3 Methadone pills. He was only 19... RIP Vinny Rosa 10/29/03

8.my husband was prescribed oxycontin for back and leg pain. yes - the pain was severe, but not severe enough to be prescribed something that would manipulate his brain enough to allow him to kill hisself

9.he did it,drank a few beers an went to sleep later an never woke up!I hope the asses that had him do that pill rot in hell!


10.he did it,drank a few beers an went to sleep later an never woke up!I hope the asses that had him do that pill rot in hell!

11.My brother took oxycontin for chronic pain, he became very depressed and paranoid. On Nov. 20, 2002 he took his own life due to severe depression and paranoia r/t oxycontin, this drug is a killer in more ways than just overdoses...Shannon


12.Stephanie, shot herself in the forehead with a 9mm last Saturday, She could not bear the withdrawals...




just a small sampling.....opinions?:confused:

[Princess]

My opinion?
Shit.
OK here goes.


The dingbat with constipation should have known she was constipated. That was her fault for not treating it with something or seeing a doctor for it. I mean, I'm sorry if she *didn't* know... but if you don't shit for days & days and do nothing about it.. you're asking for trouble.

These people who committed suicide would have eventually done it regardless. No matter HOW bad things got for me, drug related or not, I would NEVER commit suicide. I don't feel bad for people who commit suicide, I just can't. YES I've had family members and friends who have CHOSE to do this. It was their own doing.

OH and this guy who mixed with methadone... can't blame the oxy... I believe it says everywhere to talk to your doctor or pharmacist BEFORE taking any other "depressants" or whatever it says.

Maybe these suicidal people quit antidepressants at the same time as the oxy? Who knows.

Just my opinion....

[clinton]

i thought the same about the suicides, i dont share your thoughts about not feeling bad for them,my heart goes out to anyone that feels that sad and alone,i couldnt imagine being that sad,i do agree though that they probably would have done it w/o the oxy, it would be something else,booze,stress,money something...
how can they possibly single out the oxy in regards to the deaths where the deceased mixed
xanax, methadone, cocaine, booze etc with it...
the lady who had impacted bowels should have gone to the er at the first sign of trouble,
this is a side affect of many drugs , not just oxycodone...
btw let her story be a warning to all of you opiophiles who are to proud/embarrassed/ignorant too see a physician after a week of not shitting,
her story shows that the worst case scenario is possible....

edit:adding another one sided story regarding the evils of opiates

Mark Cabigas
Died Nov. 4, 1999
Age 68

Mark Cabigas was an elder statesman of "The Blade," the heroin haunt at Second and Pike. In his matted green parka, he would hold court in front of the smoke-shop and dole out wisdom in a sandpaper bark that prompted his nickname "Tony the Tiger."

"What are you doing here? Get out of here!" he hollered at young addicts as he wished them a chance he never took.

When he died in a small park overlooking the freeway, he looked like another homeless man who had shed his past on a lonesome journey. He had a pocket full of needles, no ID and a body that had been through rough times.

Cabigas had a small room in Rainier Valley and a large family that wailed at his funeral. He was buried in Roslyn, where his family has been chronicled in history books. They were among hundreds of blacks tricked into coming to Washington to break a coal mine strike in the 1800s.

He grew up picking beans and berries on his grandmother's farm in Puyallup. His sizzling moves on rollerskates made the girls swoon.

During the Korean War, he took a bayonet in the stomach. His family believes the morphine he was given for the pain was the start of a 40-year heroin habit. His death certificate says he died of clogged arteries, but relatives know heroin killed him long before he stopped breathing at the park at Pike and Boren.

When Cabigas returned home from the war, he worked as a seaman-cook. He was half-Filipino, spoke Tagalog and Chinese, and hummed blissfully when stirring his rice and noodle dishes.

"He was gentle and patient and kind. He loved his family, but he didn't love himself," said his daughter, Debby Barnett. A 41-year-old registered nurse, she often searched for her father at The Blade and asked the addicts, "Have you seen my Dad?"

When she found him, she would buy him a bowl of rice. He would smile and brag, "That's my girl."

"It's so hard watching somebody you love and care for be like that," she said. As tears rolled down her cheeks, Barnett recalled her father's hearty chuckle and the one-liner he used to make her smile: "Girl, straighten up your face!"



i originally read this article when i was doing research on seattle, i was reminded of it a little while ago when i was reading the one sided propaganda in this thread. my favorite part of this story?
" His death certificate says he died of clogged arteries, but relatives know heroin killed him long before he stopped breathing at the park at Pike and Boren."
he clearly died due to plaque buildup in the arteries yet the writer boldly ignores the autopsy and instead wants you to think that in some way heroin killed him...bullshit propaganda

[OxyDust]

What a bunch of shitty info. Like someone already said, it is a mix of correct and false information. AND WHOEVER SAID OXY IS JUST A DANGEROUS AS HEROIN (clinton/OP) IS FUCKING STUPID!
Heres a little information for you before you make a new thread: DON'T POST FALSE INFORMATION BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF IT IN YOUR POST!


Edit, sorry I'm really high right now and just skimmed through your post! I'll read the whole thing next time. SORRY

[Princess]

FYI- Clinton was showing US that there is FALSE info out there!
Did you read the whole thread???
He is NOT against Oxy! He's trying to show us the bullshit being fed to people!!
RELAX OxyDust.... the OP is on OUR side!!
:)


What a bunch of shitty info. Like someone already said, it is a mix of correct and false information. AND WHOEVER SAID OXY IS JUST A DANGEROUS AS HEROIN (clinton/OP) IS FUCKING STUPID!
Heres a little information for you before you make a new thread: DON'T POST FALSE INFORMATION BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF IT IN YOUR POST!

[clinton]

thanks oxydust for being an all around stand up guy :mad:
a little advice before replying to a thread, its something that most people do...
read it.:rolleyes:

[Tea Time]

Like usual, it is a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information put together to intentionally mislead anyone that reads it. It really does irritate me to see people put information like this out there because unfortunately a good portion of the people that read it will take it as gospel truth. There is some factual information in there, but it is combined with the writer's subjective opinions. This is clearly not an instance of the writer trying to inform and educate the readers...The author is spreading misinformation in an effort to further their own agenda. It is being done under the guise of educating and informing the reader in the spirit of harm reduction.

It is almost comical how much of a slant is in this information. It is not even remotely objective. I say *almost* comical because it is really pretty sad when you think about it. Someone is going out of their way to spread misinformation in order to persuade people not to use oxycodone. Aside from seeking to get oxycontin banned, did it discuss the rest of their agenda? I'm just wondering if the author has some ulterior motive.

For example it says that kicking an oxycodone addiction is "Just like heroin...it is almost impossible to do alone as the withdrawal symptoms are worse than heroin and last longer." It then goes on to say "Professional help from a heroin detox center is the best and safest way to do this" bene fore offering suboxone testimonials and links to doctors that can prescribe bupe. I'd be willing to bet that the author is affiliated in some way with an addiction treatment center or suboxone therapy.

In addition to saying that it is "almost impossible" to kick an oxycodone addiction without medical treatment and stating that oxycodone WD's were more severe and had a longer duration than Heroin WD's, the author also goes on to say that EVERY SINGLE PATIENT taking oxycodone will become addicted - Even if the patient takes them "legally" as presribed by their doctor! The author uses the number 100% to indicate that ALL patients will become physically addicted and face WD symptoms without exception. This is obvious untrue. Hopefully readers will be able to distinguish fact from fiction...not only in this instance, but throughout the rest of the article.

I really wish that readers would be able to see this article for what it truly is: Manipulative Anti-Drug Propaganda. Unfortunately, I think that most readers seem to be incapable of independent thought. They will likely believe every single word in this article and even worse - They will probably continue to unknowingly spread misinformation to others...

[Poppylvr]

Oxy FAQ
<snip>
this claims that oxycontin w/d is worse than and also last longer than heroin w/d...
true or false?
is it relative to the user?
Oy Vey! Clinton, thanks for posting this. I had no idea that such drivel was being posted.
OxyContin is a very valuable drug for intractable pain WHEN USED CORRECTLY. I very much worry that the Chicken Littles screaming about banning OxyContin will succeed. And then what will our brothers & sisters with CP do?
My father in law was scripted these for his terrible arthritis pain, and they worked very well. Then the docs at his clinic got antsy, worrying about the abuse potential. My father in law has NEVER abused drugs; but because of a blanket fear, he was switched to MSContin. It works, but not nearly as well as the OxyContin and as a result, my FIL is nearly chair bound - he has so much pain. It hurts my heart to see him suffer needlessly because of a doctor's fear - fear that is encouraged by crazy articles like this.
Yes - OC's are misprescribed. Last year, one of my sponsees finally persuaded her psychiatrist that her back pain was out of control. This was a woman who was on so many anti psychotics for her bipolar disorder that she was slurring most of the time. She chose not to tell me, her sponsor, that she had been given this script. She picked it up Wed pm, and was found dead Friday morning.
Do I blame OC's? NO! I blame Mary, who wheedled them out of her doc & didn't tell me, and I blame her dumbass psychiatrist who instead of insisting she go to a pain clinic gave her the means to die.
Finally, I am grateful that OC's weren't invented when I was out runnin' & gunnin'. Oxycodone is my DOC. I LOVE OXYCODONE. and knowing me, I would have abused OC's mercilessly. Part of my junky brain wishes I could try some (hence my Suboxone habit), and a big part of my brain (thanks Sub) says, man you jump on that train & you're gonna lose everything and then die, if you're lucky.
OK, enough rant. I'll step down off my soapbox. I pray we don't lose OxyContin to misguided fears.

[roxi*stardust]

im going to post some of the testimonials i read,i agree, oxy is dangerous but so are cigarettes,cars,whiskey etc.........
the poster are blaming oxy like it is satan hellbent on killing everyone that uses it...
reading through the posts i noticed a pattern with most of the deaths...yet the thing i noticed gets glossed over again and again, the only thing being blamed oxy.....im not being uncompassionate btw, these are quite sad and break my heart to read, these deaths have more to do with ignorance and a lack of harm reduction knowledge.......



1.Lynn (Raye was her first name but everyone called her Lynn) is the
granddaughter of my sister. This just happened on 16 February. Lynn was on
a life support system until Feb 20 but the doctors told her family there was
no hope for her--she was brain dead. Lynn was a beautiful person who loved
life; divorced from her husband, and had two little daughters ages 3 1/2 and
1 1/2. Her viewing is today in Thomasville, NC, where they lived. She'll be
laid to rest tomorrow. I'm told she was given the OxyContin by prescription
from a doctor recommended to her by friends for back pain. Lynn's friend
with whom she lived said she was ok at 2:30 a.m. on Feb 16, he heard her
coughing around 9 a.m. and went to check on her. When he saw her condition
he called the rescue squad. Lynn had no pulse when they arrived. We're not
sure whether her friend's version is reliable. He may have even been the on
that gave her the OxyContin. An investigation is ongoing. Lynn's mother,
Connie, never left Lynn's side from the time she arrived at the hospital
until it was time to disconnect the life support. Lynn carried a donor
organ card so if any of her organs could be used they were donated. The
hospital said Lynn's blood contained a little cocaine and xanax but enough OxyContin to kill 10 people.



2.Mary was 49 when she died from the results of Oxycontin. She was my soon to
be mother in law. She died 5 months before I married her son. In late
March 2004, she was rushed to the emergency room with a toxic mega colon.
She died two weeks later as a result of constipation caused by Oxycontin
which resulted in the mega colon and then septic shock. She left behind so
many people who loved her. She was a free spirit who loved everyone she
met. Her light and her humor and her generosity touched so many people.
She was robbed of ever knowing her grandchildren, watching her son get
married, and god knows how many other wonderful experiences. We placed a
chair with her mother of the groom corsage on stage when we got married, and
during the ceremony there was a moment of silence for her. On what would
have been an otherwise joyous day, people were weeping, not from happiness,
but from loss. Oxycontin robbed my husband of his mother and my children of
one of their grandmothers, and for that I will forever be infuriated.

3.My good friend was a successful business man. He had been sober in AA for many years. His back was very bad and was afraid of his dependence to percoset. His doctor told him of a new drug oxycontin that would be safe for him to use because it would not give him the rush of percs.

I ended up taking him to a rapid detox in Phoenix to help him get of these highly addicting pills. It did not work. He ended up having doctors all over the country so he could get more of them.

When he could get no more he ended up drinking very heavily for several weeks then killed him self by shooting himself in the chest.

I guess it is not that funny.

The doctor was told by the pharmaceutical rep that this drug was safe for patients with addiction problems. Good marketing huh.


4.My sister, LuAnne Wright, lost her medicaid benefits and was plunged into cold-turkey withdrawal from prescribed oxycontin (for chronic pain).

She shot herself on December 8, 2005, one week after her 41st birthday.

She was very loved by all who knew her, especially her daughter Shannon, 10.


5.My only brother, Steven, did not die of an overdose of oxycontin. He was, instead, so terribly addicted to this potent killer - taking five 40's a day - that when he had a surgery, he went through his prescription in three days. He had just had one of his cancerous testicles removed (his prognosis was excellent) and the pain was excruciating. His doctor didn't know he had become addicted to oxycontin.
Steven suffered horrendous, terrible pain as a result of his oxycontin abuse.
Screaming alone in pain, he brought himself to write a loving letter to his family.
Then he put a bullet in his heart.
The contempt I feel for the makers and prescribers of this drug is tremendous. Every single day, the pain finds it's way back to me and becomes a veritable dagger.
Nobody should have to live with the knowledge that their loved one suffered so in their lasts hours on this earth.
Each day I quietly celebrate the joy I had in knowing and loving my brother Steven.


6.He had been prescribed oc's 6 years prior to his suicide for a bike accident, and obviously became physically addicted, then began to abuse them.

7.Yesterday one of my close friends died of an overdose of Oxycontin. He took an 80mg OC nd 3 Methadone pills. He was only 19... RIP Vinny Rosa 10/29/03

8.my husband was prescribed oxycontin for back and leg pain. yes - the pain was severe, but not severe enough to be prescribed something that would manipulate his brain enough to allow him to kill hisself

9.he did it,drank a few beers an went to sleep later an never woke up!I hope the asses that had him do that pill rot in hell!


10.he did it,drank a few beers an went to sleep later an never woke up!I hope the asses that had him do that pill rot in hell!

11.My brother took oxycontin for chronic pain, he became very depressed and paranoid. On Nov. 20, 2002 he took his own life due to severe depression and paranoia r/t oxycontin, this drug is a killer in more ways than just overdoses...Shannon


12.Stephanie, shot herself in the forehead with a 9mm last Saturday, She could not bear the withdrawals...




just a small sampling.....opinions?:confused:


My opinion. Everyone of those people are to blame for their addictions, their ODs, or their side effects. The people who write these things want to blame everyone and everything except their loved ones who choose to abuse a prescription pain killer, or ignore severe side effects rather than seeking treatment, or not seek help for their addictions. It's hard when a loved one dies unexpectedily, especially when it's a child but rather than blame OxyContin these people need to realize that their loved ones are the ones who caused the problems. Shit the first story said the chick had cocaine in her system, obviously she was a poly drug user. Fuck these people. I think they need to get over blaming OxyContin and accept that their loved ones abused it and caused their own ODs and addictions, then move on with their lives. They are going to be miserable and angry the remainder of their lives unless they accept the fact that their loved ones were abusing drugs, just because they may have got it from their doctor doesn't mean you can take 10 of them or mix it with Methadone that you got where? Off the street no doubt. I'm sure it was the 'done and not the OC that contributed to that one.

[Woody Bear]

the author also goes on to say that EVERY SINGLE PATIENT taking oxycodone will become addicted - Even if the patient takes them "legally" as presribed by their doctor! The author uses the number 100% to indicate that ALL patients will become physically addicted and face WD symptoms without exception. This is obvious untrue.
Actually, the author of the article said that 100% of people will become physically dependant, not addicted. There is a difference, in that addiction roughly means craving opiates in the absence of pain, but physically dependence just means physical symptoms caused by the sudden end to taking opiates. Addiction and physical dependence are NOT the same thing, and this article did make this clear. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they exaggerated the percent that do get addicted.

Oxycodone is prescribed for chronic pain, meaning for something you take on a daily basis, rather then for intermittent pain, which is something you take occasionally on days when you have pain, for this type of pain hydrocodone is usually prescribed instead. So because doctors prescribe oxycodone to people taking it on a daily basis, it's entirely reasonable to assume that 100% of people will become physically dependant on it.

However, it takes time to become dependant, it's not going to happen in a couple weeks, but use any opiate daily for more then a month and you run an extremely high risk of dependence. Use opiates daily for more then 3 months, and you're 100% certain to have become physically dependant.

Once a person has ever became physically dependant, it takes as little as 3 days constant usage to become physically dependant again. That is why it is so important for chippers, to prevent themselves becoming dependent in the first place. And why only using on the weekends, isn't such a good idea. If you really want to prevent yourself becoming dependant, don't use two days in a row, ideally using no more then one 8 hour stretch then 72 hours without before your next use.

The one point that the article did make right, is that pointing out that oxycodone runs the same risk of addiction or dependence as heroin. As most people seem to think that heroin=addiction, but everything else is much safer. But really it doesn't matter what opiate your using, even using hydrocodone daily for 3 months would get you physically dependant. It's the black market and purity fluctuations that makes heroin more dangerous, so if pharmaceutical companies make heroin pills, they would be the same as oxycodone when it comes to safety.

But I really wish that drug articles would have accurate information, rather then just scare tactics designed to continue support for the drug war or to suck your wallet dry.

[Tea Time]

...Although it wouldn't surprise me if they exaggerated the percent that do get addicted...

That's the point that I was making - throughout the entire article there were various inaccuracies and exaggerated statistics that were used to suit the author's purpose.

Oxycodone is prescribed for chronic pain, meaning for something you take on a daily basis, rather then for intermittent pain, which is something you take occasionally on days when you have pain, for this type of pain hydrocodone is usually prescribed instead. So because doctors prescribe oxycodone to people taking it on a daily basis, it's entirely reasonable to assume that 100% of people will become physically dependant on it.

Oxycodone is prescribed for a number of different reasons. Saying that it is "prescribed for chronic pain" implies that this is the only situation in which it is prescribed - which isn't true. It is prescribed for treating moderate to severe pain. This can include situations where it is taken for a short period of time, such as after a surgical prodedure -- or a long period of time, as it is in the case of many chronic pain patients. With that being said, I think that it is possible that patients taking oxycodone (or even hydrocodone as you mentioned) could develop tolerance and dependency issues. But it is not reasonable to assume that 100% of ALL patients will become dependent on their medication. This is nothing more than a scare tactic.

However, it takes time to become dependant, it's not going to happen in a couple weeks, but use any opiate daily for more then a month and you run an extremely high risk of dependence. Use opiates daily for more then 3 months, and you're 100% certain to have become physically dependant.

I agree with you completely. Using oxycodone daily for 3 months or longer will certainly cause physical dependence of some sort. However this is not something that is unique to oxycodone. If an opiate naive person were to use codeine multiple times a day for longer than 3 months it is very likely that they would develop physical dependency issues as well.

In the case of the article, they did not mention timelines of any sort. This information was mysteriously omitted. With that important information missing, a person who who was not very knowledgeable regarding opiates would likely infer that 100% of all patients taking oxycodone for ANY length of time would become physically dependent. I have to think that this was the author's intent based on their goal of getting oxycodone banned.

But really it doesn't matter what opiate your using, even using hydrocodone daily for 3 months would get you physically dependant. It's the black market and purity fluctuations that makes heroin more dangerous, so if pharmaceutical companies make heroin pills, they would be the same as oxycodone when it comes to safety.

Yup. I completely agree.

But I really wish that drug articles would have accurate information, rather then just scare tactics designed to continue support for the drug war or to suck your wallet dry.

Once again, I agree completely. It really is irritating to see these biased drug articles that contain subjective opinions and inaccuracies. Because of that, it actually hurts their credibility.

[HMMM...]

oxycodone....do the positives outwiegh the negatives?

Guess it depends on the individuals circumstances.

I very much enjoy oc but should I ( a 23 year old male w/ minor pain) be prescribed 120 rox and 60 xanax a month? Probably not.

Its the doctors that need to get their shit together and practice safe medicine. A lot of people shouldn't be scripted these highly potent, addictive meds.

I know there are a lot of legitimate major pain patients that need this medicine to function in life. This stuff is pretty much for cancer patients and those alike. Their are also a lot of people that have had maybe a broken arm, ankel, ect. that are scripted major amounts of oc that really don't need it. It's the recreation that starts to take over just the "pain" issue.

Then theres the whole genre of younger and I also know older people that just rely on their scripts for their income. Selling to young kids that are very naive and don't know the consequence of these small pills. Next thing you know they od and their families are devestated and have to tell the world about these "devil" pills.

Im just trying to maybe see it from the other side of the people. My opinion is if doctors were very cautious of scripting (not because of being spotted by DEA) but for the patients needs and informing them of the highly addictive nature of opiates maybe their could be a reduction in a lot of deaths.

[jonny-5]

aldddjinhagopklnralkhgaoejgh[kvdokgjaora[hygaejg0werta00ij=!

[nick]

Jesus,what did you expect?It's a drug war and all wars use propaganda.What is it........something about truth being the first casuality of war and the drug war is no different.

[roxi*stardust]

oxycodone....do the positives outwiegh the negatives?

Guess it depends on the individuals circumstances.

I very much enjoy oc but should I ( a 23 year old male w/ minor pain) be prescribed 120 rox and 60 xanax a month? Probably not.

Its the doctors that need to get their shit together and practice safe medicine. A lot of people shouldn't be scripted these highly potent, addictive meds.

I know there are a lot of legitimate major pain patients that need this medicine to function in life. This stuff is pretty much for cancer patients and those alike. Their are also a lot of people that have had maybe a broken arm, ankel, ect. that are scripted major amounts of oc that really don't need it. It's the recreation that starts to take over just the "pain" issue.

Then theres the whole genre of younger and I also know older people that just rely on their scripts for their income. Selling to young kids that are very naive and don't know the consequence of these small pills. Next thing you know they od and their families are devestated and have to tell the world about these "devil" pills.

Im just trying to maybe see it from the other side of the people. My opinion is if doctors were very cautious of scripting (not because of being spotted by DEA) but for the patients needs and informing them of the highly addictive nature of opiates maybe their could be a reduction in a lot of deaths.


I don't agree that only "cancer patients and those alike" should be scripted Oxy. There are ALOT of out there without cancer who have very severe pain that have exhausted other means. Meaning they started out taking what might be RX'd for their condition that have developed tolerance to less strong medicine and need Oxy to control their pain. I can assure you that there are conditions, other than cancer, that are extremely painful. If you would like a list of legit medical conditions that could require the use of strong opioid pain meds, just say the word. Not treating chronic pain with with strong opioids is a travesty. There is alot of pain the requires it.

[pharmboy]

All of those people would be alive if :


1. Some fucking Dr. gave them some more OXY instead of letting them go into WD.

2. Didn't mix OXY with other CNS depressants.

3. Went to the Dr. when her colon blew up like a balloon.

All and All a bunch of stupid people blaming the wrong thing.

[allover]

Kids have figured out that if you chew/crush or snort the tablet that you bypass the time release feature and it will give you a high much like HIGH GRADE heroin but with worse consequences.

This is when you know to stop reading because it's propaganda. Instead of presenting facts, they bring precious little KIDS into it to try to evoke emotion from all those breeders out there.

[pharmboy]

Well after thinking about it for awhile I think the doctors of the people who

committed suicide should be held for murder. Any doctor who cuts off some one

on a high dose of Oxy cold turkey should at the least go to jail for a long, long time.

Thats unethical, unprofessional, and immoral. Not to mention just down right MEAN.

[Synack]

haahah, they kept shooting themselves over w/d?! oh man, I'm going to hell..

[irish]

People are responsible for what they put into their bodies, whether prescribed or not. You should read the literature that's out there before taking anything. Anyone who dies because they took a random pill and drank, took too much, didn't have the sense to know that not shitting for a month is bad, has nobody to blame but themselves. Whatever happened to personal accountability?

[nick]

Whatever happened to personal accountability?

Personal accountability was sued,lost and now lives in a cardboard box just outside of Biloxi.

[clinton]

Personal accountability died when coffee started being served to hot and you could sue bartenders for a drunk drivers actions

[bigNasty]

Personal accountability was sued,lost and now lives in a cardboard box just outside of Biloxi.
Brett Favre needs to drive an hour south and visit it and realize its his fault the packers are black balling him. I know its OT but had to do it since he's so close

[pippin]

Oh yeah.. REAL FUCKING SMART. Lets ban ALL oxycodone containing products cause a few dumbass kids took it too far. In fact hell.. lets ban all opiates... just make sure someone hands me a gun first cause I really can't handle living the rest of my life bed ridden. Fucking moronic assholes who are uneducated mothers who want to protect their children by banning shit instead of being a real parent and FUCKING EDUCATING their children. God for fucking bid people raise their own children, I mean the TV is such a better parent than a living breathing human being ever could be. These whore bag stepford wives need to be REAL parents, instead of trying to be june fucking cleaver.

Ya know why I don't have my son right now? Cause I'm in too damn much pain to take care of him. I sent him to arizona for a month with my mom so the asshole docs can get my pain to a level where I can hold him and hug him and care for him. And if these anti opiate cunts get their way I'll never be able to do that.. atleast not that I know of anyways. Fucking whore bags... I hope every member of the site the original post came from has to live atleast 1 week in the HELL some of us have to live in... and ya know what.. give them flexerils and ibuprofen 600. That'll change they're mother fucking tune.:mad:

oxycodone....do the positives outwiegh the negatives?

Guess it depends on the individuals circumstances.

I very much enjoy oc but should I ( a 23 year old male w/ minor pain) be prescribed 120 rox and 60 xanax a month? Probably not.

Its the doctors that need to get their shit together and practice safe medicine. A lot of people shouldn't be scripted these highly potent, addictive meds.

I know there are a lot of legitimate major pain patients that need this medicine to function in life. This stuff is pretty much for cancer patients and those alike. Their are also a lot of people that have had maybe a broken arm, ankel, ect. that are scripted major amounts of oc that really don't need it. It's the recreation that starts to take over just the "pain" issue.

Then theres the whole genre of younger and I also know older people that just rely on their scripts for their income. Selling to young kids that are very naive and don't know the consequence of these small pills. Next thing you know they od and their families are devestated and have to tell the world about these "devil" pills.

Im just trying to maybe see it from the other side of the people. My opinion is if doctors were very cautious of scripting (not because of being spotted by DEA) but for the patients needs and informing them of the highly addictive nature of opiates maybe their could be a reduction in a lot of deaths.


Sorry HMMM, I think your dead wrong. Are you a parent? Try being in so much fucking pain you cant hold a 1 year old or feed him or bathe him or care for him because of drs being to god damn fucking careful about writing for these OH SO STRONG MEDICATIONS that should only be given to cancer patients. Trust me Drs are cautious about writing these scripts. So cautious that I can't get outta bed most fucking days. SO I'm sorry, buy you may be a year older than me.. but you need to learn to think before your open your fucking mouth. And grow the fuck up and stop eating the bullshit the government feeds you. There are ALOT of people on this board that'd likely blow their fucking brains out if they had to live life in the kind of pain they have with out opiates. I know I would, the only thing that's kept me alive is my son and the hope that I'll be able to get a dr to give a fuck enough to help me, fix me, and get me outta pain.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

Its the doctors that need to get their shit together and practice safe medicine. A lot of people shouldn't be scripted these highly potent, addictive meds.

That's certainly not my experience. I know too many people who absolutely do need the oxys for pain management and they cannot find a doctor willing to script them. Many doctors are scared of losing their practice. The doctors aren't being allowed to treat their patients the way they want due to pressure from the government. It's sickening.

I've been shocked at the treatment my own 73 year old mother has received at the hands of various doctors. Due to her high dose of Oxys she's constantly being labeled a drug seeker or an addict if she complains about pain. She just recently spent two weeks in the hospital and the doctor there took her off all her meds! Cold turkey! It's criminal. He said she didn't need to be on that high of a dose. (100 mgs of Oxy a day)

Doctors are paranoid and very few seem willing to stick their neck out for their patients. And we, the chronic pain people of the world, suffer.

[rockbottom]

go on subs or methadone threre NO reason for this:(

[clinton]

rock are you speaking in regards to the oxy addicts that commited suicide while in wds? I think that these people were completely unaware of the alternatives , this is probably do to doctors not explaining the consequences of long term use, the patients themselves not informing themselves like we do/did, and add to the mix already unstable people trying to kill more than one type of pain

[ZodiacKiller]

Just saw this thread. Meh....social Darwinism in action, folks. The thinning of the herd. I'm not trying to be unsympathetic, but jeez-louise, there are countless social programs in every city, needle-exchange programs that offer tons of harm-reduction info, and who knows what else. People that don't think before they act, well, they get what's coming to 'em....Just my opinion.



ZK

[antigonemuse]

okay, here are the facts, confirmed by various readings, doctors and personal experience

OC wd last longer because it stays in you system longer then heroin, my heroin WD were never as bad as my OC WD!!! nor did they last as long...

the truth is that OC patients do get addicted, and it has to more then one percent. there is a whole generation (well maybe most were not scribed) of young adults who got addicted to heroin because they started using OC.... I was a CP patient who was cut off with no where to turn but the street. and im not alone in this. Oxy contin made a new generation of heroin users... I see them in treatment (out patient, detox, MMT, rehab) and its starteling!!!

and lets not forget, the purdue (i believe) lied, and held back information about the abuse factor / addictive nature of this drug. Leading perscribing doctors to believe it was safe to scribe. hence the on going class action law suit from addicted patients...


this stuff is just vulgar, and i wish every day that i could go back in time and make the righ choice. i was given one, methadone or oxycontin. at the time i was afraid of methadone cause it was for heroin addicts.... the irony is, i turned into one cause the oxy.

thats what i call poetry

[Inspektahdek]

the only reason it could possibly mean "longer" if people were abusing it by taking massive quantities by mouth without crushing making it an equivalent of getting a large amount dosed over time like eating 8, 80mg OCs and that was the habit. Yeah, then it might be a longer w/d period as it states than heroin.

[antigonemuse]

the only reason it could possibly mean "longer" if people were abusing it by taking massive quantities by mouth without crushing making it an equivalent of getting a large amount dosed over time like eating 8, 80mg OCs and that was the habit. Yeah, then it might be a longer w/d period as it states than heroin.

not true, heroin has a shorter half life then oc, so oc system in your longerr.... has nothing to do with how you take it... it hangs in you system longer

[jdub]

not true, heroin has a shorter half life then oc, so oc system in your longerr.... has nothing to do with how you take it... it hangs in you system longer

She's right. My sub doc who is well versed in opiate addiction/ pharmacology etc explains to the dumb patients that H and hydromorph are like the sports cars of the opiates, OC is a Cadillac, and Methadone is a dump truck.

[RxQueen]

i agree with ZK. this is a prime example of darwinism. what sucks is the rabid and misinformed anti-drug propaganda that it spawns, and the eagerness of sheeple to swallow that propaganda without trying to digest any facts with it.



and lets not forget, the purdue (i believe) lied, and held back information about the abuse factor / addictive nature of this drug. Leading perscribing doctors to believe it was safe to scribe. hence the on going class action law suit from addicted patients...


while it may be true (and probably is) that purdue lied about the addiction potential, prescribing doctors should've had the knowledge on their own to realize that oxycodone is addictive, no matter the form it's taken in. after all, extended release morphine already existed when OC came out on the market, and no doctor doubted its potential for addiction as compared to IR morphine. i see this as just another way that scapegoats are being sought, so that no one has to be accountable for their own actions. including the doctors who probably knew better, but were willing to go along with the lies in OC's marketing so they could share the wealth of pharmaceutical payola.

[bigNasty]

including the doctors who probably knew better, but were willing to go along with the lies in OC's marketing so they could share the wealth of pharmaceutical payola.
This makes me wonder if its legal for Dr's to own stock in pharm companies. Like if a PM Dr. owned alot of stock in purdue, he'd script nothing but oxy. Much like alot of the senators and congress people bitch about the oil companies but ALOT of them own stock in big oil.

[antigonemuse]

i agree with ZK. this is a prime example of darwinism. what sucks is the rabid and misinformed anti-drug propaganda that it spawns, and the eagerness of sheeple to swallow that propaganda without trying to digest any facts with it.





while it may be true (and probably is) that purdue lied about the addiction potential, prescribing doctors should've had the knowledge on their own to realize that oxycodone is addictive, no matter the form it's taken in. after all, extended release morphine already existed when OC came out on the market, and no doctor doubted its potential for addiction as compared to IR morphine. i see this as just another way that scapegoats are being sought, so that no one has to be accountable for their own actions. including the doctors who probably knew better, but were willing to go along with the lies in OC's marketing so they could share the wealth of pharmaceutical payola.


i agree in part with you, but in a way its the chicken and the egg theroy... for instance... i did no have a full blown adddiction (physical dependence) to anything. i went on oxy, and even expressed concern cause i saw all the shut on the news too. they told m all about weening, so i felt better about... well, no one knew my doc would have a stroke, nor did anyone or myself forsee my potential for addiction and abuse ahead of time. i was cut off, cold turkey in the hosptial when i went in for a dhe protocal. after the 5 day stay i was still sick, still in pain, and lost.... completly dependent on opiates. do, the doctors from my office are suppose to be the ones that know.... cause i was a bit naive going into it. now im a fucking junky, with the goddamn tracks to prove it, and have a tigma over my head cause ive been honest with everysince about my addiction and treatment history. ahh, fuck it, now im pissed off. i cant explain it right... im not passing the blame, i accept my part in it...

[RxQueen]

i know that you are fully accepting blame for yourself for your part in your addiction. what i can't believe, and what i refuse to believe, is that the doctors really saw no threat of possible addiction to oxycontin. they knew it was an opiate, and a powerful one at that. even if they truly believed that the abuse potential was negated, or even significantly reduced, they still had to know that the potential for addiction existed. a drug doesn't have to be readily and easily abused for people to become addicted to it. in my view anti, you have every right to be pissed about this... your doctors (and all the doctors who played along with purdue's marketing scheme) need to accept a degree of fault for not being honest about the addiction potential of OC's. for them to lay all the blame completely on purdue for lying, is scapegoating. they can't expect everyone to believe that their own medical knowledge was superceded by the false claims of a pharmeceutical company, especially when there was money for them to make by going along with the lies.

[HMMM...]

Sorry HMMM, I think your dead wrong. Are you a parent? Try being in so much fucking pain you cant hold a 1 year old or feed him or bathe him or care for him because of drs being to god damn fucking careful about writing for these OH SO STRONG MEDICATIONS that should only be given to cancer patients. Trust me Drs are cautious about writing these scripts. So cautious that I can't get outta bed most fucking days. SO I'm sorry, buy you may be a year older than me.. but you need to learn to think before your open your fucking mouth. And grow the fuck up and stop eating the bullshit the government feeds you. There are ALOT of people on this board that'd likely blow their fucking brains out if they had to live life in the kind of pain they have with out opiates. I know I would, the only thing that's kept me alive is my son and the hope that I'll be able to get a dr to give a fuck enough to help me, fix me, and get me outta pain.

girl....I wasn't specificaly talking to you. so thx for the kind words. If you read my whole comment it said "I know there are a lot of legitimate major pain patients that need this medicine to function in life."
Guess you can be put in this category. There are a lot of docs out there and some have different ways of practicing their medicine. So if you do find one that doesn't treat your legitimate pain find another one. And as far as growing up and being brain washed by the government....please. And yes the OH SO STRONG MEDICATIONS are very strong. Nothing to be messed around with. And there are a lot of young kids that don't know and have knowledge of these. That doesn't mean their stupid, it just means their young, naive, and don't know any better. A lot of young teenagers don't look up what their taking simply out of ingnorance. why....cuz their fuckin kids. so personal countability is more like parental countability.....but in this day and age shit is what it is.

[nick]

Blame is the wrong word.It implies you're doing something wrong and I don't think addiction is wrong.It's painful,degrading and possibly the worst thing that can happen to a human,but it's not wrong.

Addiction is part of the human condition.

[Nate]

Blame is the wrong word.It implies you're doing something wrong and I don't think addiction is wrong.It's painful,degrading and possibly the worst thing that can happen to a human,but it's not wrong.

Addiction is part of the human condition.

[Tea Time]

Blame is the wrong word.It implies you're doing something wrong and I don't think addiction is wrong.It's painful,degrading and possibly the worst thing that can happen to a human,but it's not wrong.

Addiction is part of the human condition.

Good Point Nick. Very well said...

[irish]

Opiates are very forgiving drugs, but not enough to forgive complete idiocy. If you take a bunch of random pills, or don't shit for weeks and don't do anything about it, you're an idiot. I just don't get the reasoning behind blaming the drug in theses cases, blame the people for their behavior.

[SHELLEY]

Oxy FAQ
Contrary to FALSE CLAIMS THAT LESS THAN 1% of PATIENTS GET ADDICTED, the CT Attorney General has stated the addiction rate is around 13% but some feel it is as high as 30%.

that's my favorite part:
"some FEEL it is as high as 30%"
what if i "feel" that it's at 2%?
that should be added, since we're going by our gut on statistics and all

hahahaha

no, but i think oxys are worse than heroin
not to mention a bigger drain on the ol' wallet


Well after thinking about it for awhile I think the doctors of the people who

committed suicide should be held for murder. Any doctor who cuts off some one

on a high dose of Oxy cold turkey should at the least go to jail for a long, long time.

Thats unethical, unprofessional, and immoral. Not to mention just down right MEAN.



you have to be fucking kidding here!!!
what about personal fucking responsibility?
i've been in pain, i've been in withdrawal
and still didn't CHOOSE to off myself
the main word there is C H O O S E
saying that drs who don't prescribe correctly (and it can happen to anyone)
should be held for MURDER if some asshole with back pain
decides that he's had enough of life without his precious pills???
that's propaganda just as bad as the OP

In fact hell.. lets ban all opiates... just make sure someone hands me a gun first cause I really can't handle living the rest of my life bed ridden.

and this! argh!
we all have it ruff sometimes but it's not a reason to kill youself
suicidal people need to GTFO (get the fuck over it)!

[pharmboy]

The people who were MURDERED were unstable to start with, then some so called

medical professional goes and cuts them off cold turkey. The "professionals "

should take some responsability also, they probably knew they would push these

people over the edge or that it would be a possability .

[bronyraur]

oxycodone....do the positives outwiegh the negatives?

Guess it depends on the individuals circumstances.

I very much enjoy oc but should I ( a 23 year old male w/ minor pain) be prescribed 120 rox and 60 xanax a month? Probably not.

Its the doctors that need to get their shit together and practice safe medicine. A lot of people shouldn't be scripted these highly potent, addictive meds.
<snip>

So you're blaming the doctors, and yet you know you could do without such a large quantity of meds, and yet you don't say anything about it?

Who's at fault there? A doctor who is trying to make sure their patient has pain relief, or a patient who is taking advantage of a doctor?

[nick]

The people who were MURDERED were unstable to start with, then some so called

medical professional goes and cuts them off cold turkey. The "professionals "

should take some responsability also, they probably knew they would push these

people over the edge or that it would be a possability .






It's not murder bro,it could be seen as negligent homicide,which is manslaughter.

I feel sorry for docs and patients.We are all trapped in our roles,trapped in a horrible dance we can't stop.

[SHELLEY]

The people who were MURDERED were unstable to start with, then some so called

medical professional goes and cuts them off cold turkey. The "professionals "

should take some responsability also, they probably knew they would push these

people over the edge or that it would be a possability .

probably knew how?
most drs see you rarely
and lets face it, whether you need it for reals or not
digging for more more more oxycontin DOES reveal something about you
of course some people are in real pain but seriously fuckin' deal with it!
killing yourself cause ow it hurts, what kinda shit IS that????
i got shot in the fucking foot with a 22 and had to WALK out of the hood
GTFO!!!!!!
what you are saying?
it's the same as that lady Stella who burned herself with mcdonalds coffee
and then sued mcdonalds b/c "they should take some responsibility also" right????
humans, as a species, need to remember that bad luck is bad luck
BUT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALLLLLLLL OUR ACTIONS
soon as we grow up enough to know up from down
all this "they should take some responsibilty too" is born from being overgrown children
when will adults act like adults and take ALL the responsibility for their fuckups????

[SHELLEY]

So you're blaming the doctors, and yet you know you could do without such a large quantity of meds, and yet you don't say anything about it?

Who's at fault there? A doctor who is trying to make sure their patient has pain relief, or a patient who is taking advantage of a doctor?

people always need to blame someone else don't they?
that shit pisses me off so much, anyone who does something
and then decides its not their fault for one reason or another
folks, fellow junkies, please for the love of god MAN UP!!!!!!

anybody who fucked up in da house, put your hands up!
put your hands up and scream IT'S MY FAAAAAAAAAUUUULLLLTTTTTT!!!!!!!!

[HMMM...]

So you're blaming the doctors, and yet you know you could do without such a large quantity of meds, and yet you don't say anything about it?

Who's at fault there? A doctor who is trying to make sure their patient has pain relief, or a patient who is taking advantage of a doctor?


whos at fault?

A doctor whos main concern is money. And 'yes' Im merely taking advantage of that.

There are plenty of 'quack docs' and then there are plenty of real doctors who actually care and have their patients best interests in mind.

I'm still young so I don't know the pains of growing older or pain from a bad accident.

As for people that have legitimate pain and documentaion to back it up, I dont see why its so hard to get the meds for the pain you suffer. If one doc is paranoid then go to another. Doctors know a lot more then we do so I think their diagnosis for each indiduals case is valid. This doesnt apply to eveyone and every doctor.

There are some, and I'm not talking about "you" that probably can do without major meds for their pain. Maybe some less med takes the pain away but doesnt get you high. This is where the choice comes in of is it worth it to get the higher meds to get high but the get addicted.

This is all just a generalization, but I know everyones gonna take it personally. There are good docs out there that don't script some meds to you because it could be in the long run the 'better' thing for you.

[pippin]

and this! argh!
we all have it ruff sometimes but it's not a reason to kill youself
suicidal people need to GTFO (get the fuck over it)!

Shelley, I was replying to HMMM's rediculously out of touch statement that doctors rx these drugs too easily and they should only be rxed to cancer patients. I was being sarcastic for the most part... but on the other hand.. before you go saying get the fuck over it, give birth to the little one inside you and not be able to to hold or hug or feed or care for him or her due to crippling pain. Or wait until they're old enough to ask for a hug and not be able to give them one. The day I wrote that reply I had just had papers written up giving my mother custody of my son (who is my life) so she can take him to az while I go through a bunch of tests (discograms and such) and epidurals, and will be unable to care for him while my husband works 12 hour days and has to care for me the rest of the time.

I may have been overly sensitive with my reply but under those cirumstances, who can blame me. I also remember that part of my post/rant was that parents need to take more responsibility parenting their children instead of expecting others to do it for them. So in that respect you and I agree.. parents need to take more responsibility of their children.

[jonny-5]

i think doctors should stick to attaching limbs and doing surgery and leave the chemicals up to us. im perfectly capable of medicating myself, ive been doing it for years.

[Indy]

I've noticed a lot of people on here seem to be a little too quick to blame doctors. Myself included, a lot of times i find myself feeling bitter towards my doc. It's because they have the power to prescribe narcotics, and sometimes they don't. Sure, they COULD give you fentanyl, but they COULD lose their job, too. And it's very easy for a doctor to lose his job from "overprescribing", whether or not they DID actually overprescribe.

Try and put yourself in the doctor's shoes: you're a _____ologist, or general practice, or whatever. You make a pretty decent salary, which you need to take care of your family, and you have a pretty large debt from med school that you have to pay off. You don't have a degree in anything else, so if you lose your license, you're fucked. You see plenty of patients in a day. Prescribing a little too much for ANY ONE of these patients could cause the DEA to investigate you, causing you to lose sleep in the short term, and in the long term possibly lose your job. Hell, you could even face charges.

So, remember that when you're saying "fucking doctor won't give me fentanyl, what an asshole" just think, he could lose his job for it, and he could much more easily give you narcotics if it weren't for the Dick Eating Assholes (DEA), so blame them.

Also, remember that for most people with addict tolerances, the doctor has no way of knowing that it would take you 10 vicodin to even start to feel anything.

SHELLEY: remember that being injured in the short term, and being in shock because of it (which numbs pain) is a lot different than having a degenerative condition. Having to wake up with pain, go to sleep with pain, and having it 24/7, knowing that your condition most likely will not get better on its own, is enough to break just about anybody's spirit after a while.

[WarmCyanide]

Right because banning things outright has always worked in the past.

it worked for all other illegal drugs didn't it? oh wait...... nevermind.:o

[Tea Time]

it worked for all other illegal drugs didn't it? oh wait...... nevermind.:o

:D:D:D

[SHELLEY]

Shelley, I was replying to HMMM's rediculously out of touch statement that doctors rx these drugs too easily and they should only be rxed to cancer patients. I was being sarcastic for the most part... but on the other hand.. before you go saying get the fuck over it, give birth to the little one inside you and not be able to to hold or hug or feed or care for him or her due to crippling pain. Or wait until they're old enough to ask for a hug and not be able to give them one. The day I wrote that reply I had just had papers written up giving my mother custody of my son (who is my life) so she can take him to az while I go through a bunch of tests (discograms and such) and epidurals, and will be unable to care for him while my husband works 12 hour days and has to care for me the rest of the time.

I may have been overly sensitive with my reply but under those cirumstances, who can blame me. I also remember that part of my post/rant was that parents need to take more responsibility parenting their children instead of expecting others to do it for them. So in that respect you and I agree.. parents need to take more responsibility of their children.

you're right, i don't know what it's like to be in pain every day
but there was a second time on this thread you said something about
blowing your brains out if you lost your pills
tell me... if you (or anyone!!) did that, whose fault would it be?
lemme guess- not your fault
i just hear certain shit (passin' the buck) and it pisses me off
i think parents need to take more responsibility for their kids, yeah
but i also think parents (and adults w/o kids) need to take responsibility for THEMSELVES
thats the big problem
everyone wants to blame someone else ESPECIALLY us drug addicts
sure i am generalizing but look at the general consensus here!
"big bad dr won't prescribe oxys to me, everything is HIS fault
and here he got me hooked on the shit and now i want to kill myself, oh poor me"
instead of: "i got MYSELF hooked on the shit because i loved the way it made me feel
and now that my script ran out, i'm gonna be a pussy and eat silver pills at 120mph
instead of manning up and taking care of myself like an adult should"
hows that?
its just another thing that makes us addicts/junkys/pillpoppers look bad
on the same level as "all junkys steal" is "junkys blame others for their fuckups"
the first one is SOMETIMES true while the second one is DAMN NEAR ALWAYS true

[nick]

Pippin,listen to Shelley.Just how is blowing your brains out taking responsibility for your kid?

I have lost several friends to suicide(including a close friend who rang me up minutes before blowing his brains out) and I've come to realise life is precious and should be treasured no matter how much it sucks.

[Indy]

sort of in shelley's "defense" not that she needs it, but just because she says "i think people should do _______", that doesn't mean she's claiming to ALWAYS do things that way, perfectly, without fail. you don't have to be perfect, even by your own standards, to give an opinion.

i mean, i don't think the death penalty should be used except in very very VERY VERY rare cases, but i know that if a loved one of mine was killed, and i had the choice, i'd probably kill the fucker that did it and i wouldn't even regret it.

oh and shelley your post made me think of something, i didnt really want to go off topic and post it here so i left a message on your profile page.

[SHELLEY]

sort of in shelley's "defense" not that she needs it, but just because she says "i think people should do _______", that doesn't mean she's claiming to ALWAYS do things that way, perfectly, without fail. you don't have to be perfect, even by your own standards, to give an opinion.


i'm not saying "people should do ______"
i'm saying that IF people do ______
they should then take responsibility for the consequences of _______
you wanna shoot speedballs every day for the rest of your life?
that's fine! who am i to stop you?
why should ANYONE be able to stop you? that's a personal choice
but to then say that it's not your fault you shoot speedballs
because of "the disease of addiction" or "my dr got me started on pain pills"
or "my mama didn't love me" or "my husband told me i was worthless"
thats the kind of shit i hate
i think we should all do whatever we want and take whatever comes with it
ya know, like ADULTS

[underide]

Lets all just do what WE want :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTIgTqCZUgg&feature=related

[Opiyum]

You make a pretty decent salary, which you need to take care of your family, and you have a pretty large debt from med school that you have to pay off.Let's not forget about malpractice ins.. These doctors balls are in the hands of the DEA, the courts, the ins companies and god knows who else. The patient is the one who suffers and most doctors know this but aren't willing to risk a lifetime of hard work.
I wouldn't either.

I agree with underide. Let people do what they want but don't let those who take advantage of that only to kill themself or some innocent bystander ruin it for the rest of us. There's always some asshole out there just waiting to ruin it for everyone else and when that person does there is always that other asshole who is going to exploit it to their own ends for whatever reason.

[pippin]

holy fucking shit.. I make an offhanded comment cause someone hit a mother fuckin nerve on me and wow..lets just fuckin attack. Yes shelley I am well aware that my life had been a fuckin cake walk compared to yours. And I think the other post your referring to is the one about me having to BEG to get a fuckin MRI ordered. Fuck drugs and shit... just to get a fuckin MRI I had to beg. Sorry I thought that for the most part people on here were intelligent enough to "get" an exaggerated example of much my quality of life would go down if opiates were removed from the list of options drs have as treatments.

On top of that I have never ONCE blamed the docs for getting me into this addiction fucking game, and I have said many many times that I wish I knew then (when I first started fucking with pills) what I know know cause I never would have touched them if I woulda known there'd come a day when I'd need them. I dont think of myself as being any better or anyworse than someone who started purely using on the streets.

Yeah there are times I come on here and vent talk and communicate with people who share this part of our lives... well shit I guess I got the purpose of this site all wrong.

[SHELLEY]

pippin- whoa!
all i said to you is that the suicide comments are a little extreme
a lot of our lives would suck without drugs

and mostly i was talking to pharmboy
and others who blame drs or others for their addictions

but anyways, i am passing the peace pipe
you wanna take a toke, and we can all get along?
i'll start: i'm sorry for being mean to you, my fault, won't do it again
we ok??

oh and btw- i have a torn rotator cuff
and they won't give ME and mri either
and i got a prescription from my ob/gyn says i can get one
so you ain't the onliest one out there

[pippin]

peace pipe accepted hun. I'm just a bit over sensitive right now. I think I misread some shit.. which is quite easy to do online, and I'm sure we've all done this.