Meditox??

[riotgrrrl]

My girlfriend and I are talking to this treatment facility called Meditox. You go for 1 office visit intake, then everything else is done over the phone. I'm on 58mgs of Methadone now. They will switch us to Oxy's for 7 days then to Subutex. They try to get you off the Tex within 7 weeks but you can stay on longer if needed.You have a RN and Dr. on call 24/7.

The price is $4,000 each. They do financing. Which for us is cheaper than a year of Methadone+gas.

Has anyone done this? Heard of this place? Thoughts?

[Nate]

I am pretty sure Duckfeet tried this, wait for him to chime in, I am sure he'll be able to help.

[nick]

I'm a little cynical about this type of detox.If you want to kick,you want to kick and no amount of money can buy that desire.

The plan;'done to oxy to subs makes sense,but I suspect that you could do it a lot cheaper than $4,000.

Whatever you choose........much luck.

[Duckfeet]

Yep, I know I answered just a bit on my page, but anyway...Nick is right, that is exactly where I went, and I too was kind of warned/advised, that if u were really gonna make it, yah didn't need it, and if yah *weren't* gonna make it, no amount of private treatment in the world will work...which is why those periodic t.v. shows on rich guy in expensive treatment centers never show the predictable failures within a few months...

But anyway, around 2 1/2 years ago I had my paragliding accident, had been sober--off alcohol and opys--around seven years, get out of hospital, try to get off the meds, can't do it, end up on methadone 21 day detox, and made it down to zero alright, but then couldn't stick with it, and in those days still had good memories of being fairly happy sober, in AA, bodysurfing daily, all that: didn't like being back "in the life" and really wanted off...

Anyway, tried everything, finally out of desperation got on methadone maintenance, "temporarily" around 30-40mg daily...and immediatly got all constipated, and hated it, so met some young friend who knew where to score, so ended up back on tar, which I also disliked...had another friend, over in NE would mail me white dope, which I liked, but u know, it never lasted, back to methadone...merry-go round, couldn't quit blah blah blah...got online, came on here, and "www.readybb.com/watchdog" which I recommend, for anybody wants to hear the positive side of methadonde...also got on heroin-detox.com for those who need more of the negative...failure everywhere...

Went out to FL to Meditox, paid the #5,000, got a week of oxys, flew home, and then they called in the scripts to local drug store for subutex, to get me on down to zero, and which was to begin my happy new sobriety. As usual, I got down to zero o.k., made it to day three, best I remember, then went and got some heroin...same old story...

After that, flew to Canada, to hopefully join NAOMI's Heroin Maintenance program...wasn't let in country, sent home...back on Tar...still don't like it, destroyed what's left of my veins...ended up plugging it daily, which put me in the elite crew here, which was the only positive I could see...

By this point, naturally, me money was about gone, so went back on methadone maintenance...and here I be....singin the blues...but more "acceptant" of my fate....Hope someday maybe to get over to England or Europe, and get on Heroin Maintenance, but my Mom and Stepdad are old, don't have it in me to leave them....

Anyway, longwinded, please post any questions on here, or if u can figure out my secret email addy over on operamail, u can send me questions....I'd post it we ain't allowed...

best wishes, really, as it's tuff, I know...wish I had more positive experiences to pass on...

[jonny-5]

4000 dollars is too much for an outpatient detox. basically youre paying 4000 dollars for them to write you 2 prescriptions, and are the meds included in the price, or do you have to pay for those separately?

[Nate]

How much oxycontin do you get for that week? Curious.

[Duckfeet]

Nah, wasn't nothing free...I agree, I see it as a bit of a hustle, they kind of preyed on dopefiends with cash, who figured, hell it cost so much, it *must* work, and it was all nice and friendly, and sometimes I think I just paid for the oxys, but five grand is too much for anything...I'm sure they have their success rates, but in the last few years we've learned a lot more about subs, and tapering off and shit, so, as others have done, just get a weeks worth of short acting opys: oxys or/and hydros, to switch the methadone habit over to shorter acting shitbirds, then get doc to write script for subs, then devise a plan, and--haha--stick to it, the hard part...

And as far as "how many" and "how much", again, I always suggest people considering subs, for detox *or* maintenance, slide over to www.heroin-detox.com, and go to the buprenorphene forum on there, and you'll get all the advice you need, on doses, and what works...but they are pretty much anti-maintenance, so it's a great place for support and info when detoxing, but kind of grim, if--like me--you can't do it totally drug free...but again, I damn sure like the place when I'm aiming for total sobriety, so to speak...



4000 dollars is too much for an outpatient detox. basically youre paying 4000 dollars for them to write you 2 prescriptions, and are the meds included in the price, or do you have to pay for those separately?

[riotgrrrl]

How much oxycontin do you get for that week? Curious.
They say 4 80's a day for 50mgs of Methadone.

[rockbottom]

good ,luck RG--if you have the cash go for it--- by the way have u ever heard of rapid detox? where they put you to sleep and off in a couple days? ~Peace~ i always used a 21 day methadone detox and that always worked for me------your a cool chick and i wish u all the best:)

[SynthMorph]

Better off buying a weeks worth of dope, morphine, or whatever and then getting on subs. That'll save you a hell of a lot of money.

[Nate]

Better off buying a weeks worth of dope, morphine, or whatever and then getting on subs. That'll save you a hell of a lot of money.

Thats what I was thinking too...

and if I recall correctly you could get 80s for under 10 bucks eh?

Best of luck in whatever you decide.

[Narkotikon]

^^^^^^^ I agree. Just make an appointment with a Sub doc, and in the meantime switch to dope / oxy that you bought yourself to get off the methadone. $4,000 seems like an awful lot of money for that few Oxy's and what seems like that not good of a success rate. Good luck whatever you decide.

[riotgrrrl]

I have to do this legally. I am facing Federal charges and being pissed constantly. Already a x1 loser

[Nate]

I have to do this legally. I am facing Federal charges and being pissed constantly. Already a x1 loser

Shit eh...

def not a loser.

[nick]

I understand,but there must be a cheaper sub taper available.

Oh and you're not a loser,maybe unlucky,but not a loser.

[riotgrrrl]

I'm looking. The only docs I can find want me to go 4 days with nothing then Suboxone. #1 I work and I travel for work. #2 Suboxone did strange things to me including migraines. Flying a plane with a migraine is not easy.

I figure since it's $4000 straight up, no more Dr. appts or anything. The cost may even out. The scripts are covered under my medical. No more groups at the clinic,no 1 1/2 hr. round trip 4x a wk, no more worrying if something goes wrong in court I'll lay on county's floor kickin. I'll throw out there the clinis is $13.50 a day x2 as well!!

I moved my city ass back to my farm in WV so no more temptation.
.10 here are $30,80's are mostly $80. I'm not THAT desperate.

I just don't know. Honestly I just want my Heroin. Not an option though. I'm already facing 20-200.

[nick]

I'm looking. The only docs I can find want me to go 4 days with nothing then Suboxone. #1 I work and I travel for work. #2 Suboxone did strange things to me including migraines. Flying a plane with a migraine is not easy.

I figure since it's $4000 straight up, no more Dr. appts or anything. The cost may even out. The scripts are covered under my medical. No more groups at the clinic,no 1 1/2 hr. round trip 4x a wk, no more worrying if something goes wrong in court I'll lay on county's floor kickin.

I moved my city ass back to my farm in WV so no more temptation.
.10 here are $30,80's are mostly $80. I'm not THAT desperate.

I just don't know. Honestly I just want my Heroin. Not an option though. I'm already facing 20-200.

I hear you and these circumstances do whatever gets you through.20-200!! I'm kinda scared to ask,but what the hell did you do or what do they say you did?

If you're uncomfortable talking about it,I totally understand and whatever it is much luck.

[riotgrrrl]

I hear you and these circumstances do whatever gets you through.20-200!! I'm kinda scared to ask,but what the hell did you do or what do they say you did?

If you're uncomfortable talking about it,I totally understand and whatever it is much luck.


I'm being charged with distribution under the kingpin laws. They took everything I owned. Thank god most everything is in my families name.

I've already fell once for attempted murder.

I also can't fly people anymore only cargo. Which is fine. I don't want hijacked or blown up.

[nick]

I'm being charged with distribution under the kingpin laws. They took everything I owned. Thank god most everything is in my families name.

I've already fell once for attempted murder.

I also can't fly people anymore only cargo. Which is fine. I don't want hijacked or blown up.

Wow,what an interesting life you lead luv.

Only messing,I only missed out on the jail experience because the cps lost the evidence.Sometimes you gotta love official incompetence.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and let us know how it goes.

[riotgrrrl]

I wish it was interesting! Flying is great though. 9/11 scared me to death. I flew out of Newark to Heathrow that morning. I was in the air as it all went down. I can't imagine being in that cockpit that morning. I relapsed in London when I got there. I turned myself in and only cargo now. Pay is the same though. They UA me before each flight. Plus the court and clinic UA me. No wiggle room to do this illegally.

They don't have much evidence. I have a full-time good paying job as does my GF. We can prove where everything came from. Since I'm a lesbian they act like our funds could not be combined. We've been together 8 years. I hope nothing sticks. I have an excellent lawyer. We'll see I guess.

[nick]

I wish it was interesting! Flying is great though. 9/11 scared me to death. I flew out of Newark to Heathrow that morning. I was in the air as it all went down. I can't imagine being in that cockpit that morning. I relapsed in London when I got there. I turned myself in and only cargo now. Pay is the same though. They UA me before each flight. Plus the court and clinic UA me. No wiggle room to do this illegally.

They don't have much evidence. I have a full-time good paying job as does my GF. We can prove where everything came from. Since I'm a lesbian they act like our funds could not be combined. We've been together 8 years. I hope nothing sticks. I have an excellent lawyer. We'll see I guess.

Yeah,a good lawyer is essential and it sounds like you're doing all the right things.

Must be a whole heap of stress,but I guess flying means you can handle a lot of stress.....not that makes it any easier.


I REALLY envy your flying.Hell,I have problems driving a car.

[paroxetina]

Riotgrrrl, I miss your old avatar! Was it you in the picture? You looked so cute in it, if so :)

[Nate]

Riotgrrrl, I miss your old avatar! Was it you in the picture? You looked so cute in it, if so :)

For sure!

She still has a cute one in her profile tho ;)

[pharmboy]

Damn hun 20 - 200, I think if I flew Id fly some where in South America and not come back.

I don't trust the justice system that much. Where you flying the dope when you got caught?

Levorphanol or Levo - Dromoran doesn't show up on any drug tests except mass spec. anylizers.

Just a thought. Hay ,if it makes you happy and takes the stress off 4 g's is worth it.And if it works

thats a bonus. Good luck Riotgirl, I hope that lawyer is world class.

[Duckfeet]

Also, since you are motivated: Meditox does work, and there are a lot of side benefits, you know, a nurse you can call night and day, stuff like that: they are very helpful, and you'll have every day planned, and I think if I had been a little better prepared, might have successful, the reason people pay for all this is some of us feel we do need serious supervision and guidance in this area...so best of luck, if that is the route you take...

For sure!

She still has a cute one in her profile tho ;)

[riotgrrrl]

Riotgrrrl, I miss your old avatar! Was it you in the picture? You looked so cute in it, if so :)
I got paranoid!! I felt vulnerable talking about myself so much.

[devilsdrug]

there are no guarantees in this gig so 4000 up front might sound good buttttttttt

[riotgrrrl]

there are no guarantees in this gig so 4000 up front might sound good buttttttttt


Believe me I'm running it all through my head. I already spend $9828 a year on Methadone. $13.50 a dayx2
Plus a 1 1/2 round trip gas. That fuckin line every morning.

I don't want to spend this though and just end up back where I started. FUCK I just want to shoot dope!! I hate this shit!

Lets all just fly to Asia and stay. Theres enough of us. We'll just pool our $$ and buy some land, build little wooden houses. I have a plane!!

[Duckfeet]

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Lets all just fly to Asia and stay. Theres enough of us. We'll just pool our $$ and buy some land, build little wooden houses.

Now you're talking: ace idea...as long as I didn't need to *do* anything...my strong suit is just "hanging out..." Got lots of practice!

[nick]

Believe me I'm running it all through my head. I already spend $9828 a year on Methadone. $13.50 a dayx2
Plus a 1 1/2 round trip gas. That fuckin line every morning.

I don't want to spend this though and just end up back where I started. FUCK I just want to shoot dope!! I hate this shit!

Lets all just fly to Asia and stay. Theres enough of us. We'll just pool our $$ and buy some land, build little wooden houses. I have a plane!!

Save me a window seat in the heavy smoking section.

[paroxetina]

I got paranoid!! I felt vulnerable talking about myself so much.

Well, you are adorable! If anyone could convert me to lesbianism it would be you, I suspect ;)

[riotgrrrl]

I did get around in my day. You know how those drug filled nights are!

:wasntme:

[SynthMorph]

If its your only choice its sounds alright. But be careful after being on methadone, buprenorphine might not do the trick. I've read people have trouble making the switch and hate subs even more than dones.

[chemiKalz]

Wow, I would just love to move to asia with all of you guys and girls and live in huts and stuff, back to nature, and cheap opies!

[Coddfish]

good luck good luck good luck.

it actually sounds to me like a pretty decent deal you got there. comparatively speaking, of course. clinics are fucking BRUTAL. and those lines, don't get me started on the people in those guddamm lines!!!

still, if a person has been on mmt for a while, it might be kinda tough to just taper off subs or whatever and be on nothing.

nothing. hmmmm..... sounds like a great fucking idear, but then again . . . . . some of us aint been there in decades, so we might just've forgot what it was we think sounds so great.

as long as this meditox place will help you move to more of a maintenance platform if you need it (rather than only a detox) . . . well, i'd do it if i were you.

btw: for some reason, i really like the idea of junky lesbians in the air.:confused- the thought makes me feel better about the state of this country. you brightened my day.:)

[405FREEWAY]

I really dont thin they would give you 4 80's a day, for 50mg's done. That seems odd. So if i was on 100mg done, like most people i knoe, they would give me 8 80's a day? i dont think so. But if it is for real, well thats cool. My sub doc will put people on oc , when they switch from done. But only 20mg a day, no matter what done dose.
But hey, if u can afford it?

[Duckfeet]

I was given 2 40's a day, one in mornining, one at night....during the transition week....

I really dont thin they would give you 4 80's a day, for 50mg's done. That seems odd. So if i was on 100mg done, like most people i knoe, they would give me 8 80's a day? i dont think so. But if it is for real, well thats cool. My sub doc will put people on oc , when they switch from done. But only 20mg a day, no matter what done dose.
But hey, if u can afford it?

[Coddfish]

I was given 2 40's a day, one in mornining, one at night....during the transition week....
hey df, oc's are surely not "approved" for treatment of opioid(he he) dependency. are they??? i wonder how this meditox place gets around that? am i missing something? more power to 'em, but seems like walking the fine government "regulatory" line, so to speak.

your thoughts??

[Duckfeet]

I always kind of thought that, too, but apparently they can: I don't know if it's a FL thing, or they have to have a special license--that's my guess--or what, but these people are fairly well known, and usually the first choice for wealthy people, as it seems kind of easy and harmless, and for those who really just can't stomach the whole treatment-center/12step "consume yer life w/this shit" approach they are def a welcome alternative..

My suspicions--don't really know--is that there are a lot of people like me, who stick with the plan, really try hard, and make it down to zero, or close to it, then slip, as I did...

I was bitter, I mean, I'm not rich, and this was savings from trucking and shit, and so when the craving overwhelmed me--I think it was when I was kind of new to Opy here--I just went full blast back to Heroin life, which sux, I'm not into it anymore, and have to use reading glasses to find a vein, etc...

But no, that's a strong selling point, that they can get u for a week on oxys...makes the whole thing seem a lot more palatable than the usual cold-turkey for a couple-three days, *then* start subs...they also give u sleeping pills, tranks, that kind of shit...hey, yer paying money, and u can tell they're used to the wealthy...Hey, I enjoyed feeling rich, staying at a nice Hotel, getting me script of Oxys...

Docs are really determined to keep the ability to perscribe as they see fit, including pain meds...but I don
't know the details of the transaction: I did have to fly out there, but they also have an outlet in L.A., but they were closed, or not open yet, or director was on vacation, don't remember, so I flew out to FL...


hey df, oc's are surely not "approved" for treatment of opioid(he he) dependency. are they??? i wonder how this meditox place gets around that? am i missing something? more power to 'em, but seems like walking the fine government "regulatory" line, so to speak.

your thoughts??