Opiates and Cocoa

[Papa Verine]

I've been trying everything lately because it's not easy drinking several large cups of PST every day to get high. Grapefruit juice, Cimetidine, diphenhydramine, high-fat meals, etc...ect...

The winner for me is without a doubt...Cocoa. There's some very real hightened euphoria when I consume cocoa powder with my opiates. I don't know if it's really potentiation, but rather a combination of the effects of the two with synergy, but this has quickly become my favorite combo.

Theobromine, theophylline, phenethylamine, caffeine... and morphine!

Anyone else notice this?

[Seedy]

so do u use cocoa powder? how do u get it down, what's your roa? :p

[Papa Verine]

Yes, cocoa powder. I mix with a little sugar, dissolve it in a little boiling water and add milk until it looks like a dark hot cocoa. I basically follow the instructions for hot cocoa but I use much more cocoa and less sugar.

I guess you could just eat a big dark chocolate bar too...

[dharma bum]

I've been trying everything lately because it's not easy drinking several large cups of PST every day to get high. Grapefruit juice, Cimetidine, diphenhydramine, high-fat meals, etc...ect...

The winner for me is without a doubt...Cocoa. There's some very real hightened euphoria when I consume cocoa powder with my opiates. I don't know if it's really potentiation, but rather a combination of the effects of the two with synergy, but this has quickly become my favorite combo.

Theobromine, theophylline, phenethylamine, caffeine... and morphine!

Anyone else notice this?

Nope but i am on my way to give it a go. I need all the help i can get.

[RxQueen]

hmmm, i'll definitely hafta try this! the seeds i've been getting lately are really good and dirty... lots of little chunks of poppy straw and stuff. i can't believe how high i get from them, and my pupils are completely pinned! i already use tagamet & benadryl, and i usually try to eat a big ol' bacon cheeseburger or something like that (along with some ben & jerry's!) ..... so next time i'll add some yummy cocoa/dark chocolate. mmmmmm....

thanks papaV! like i needed another excuse to indulge in chocolate.... :rolleyes:

[LorTabitha]

Because I'm diabetic and don't like the sugar-free chocolate bars available, I buy the 87% cacao bars at the local health food store. Either they're a good potentiator, or they're just good on their own! :D (Warning: if you like milk chocolate, these bars will take some getting used to!!)

[devilsdrug]

theophyllin heh thats a new one for me grandma got a shit pyle of those been on them for decades

[Indy]

hmmm, i'll definitely hafta try this! the seeds i've been getting lately are really good and dirty... lots of little chunks of poppy straw and stuff. i can't believe how high i get from them, and my pupils are completely pinned! i already use tagamet & benadryl, and i usually try to eat a big ol' bacon cheeseburger or something like that (along with some ben & jerry's!) ..... so next time i'll add some yummy cocoa/dark chocolate. mmmmmm....

thanks papaV! like i needed another excuse to indulge in chocolate.... :rolleyes:

You're a PST-user? I had NO idea. I always like learning a well-respected member of the board uses PST.

ONE OF US.
ONE OF US.
ONE OF US.

[pharmboy]

Maybe the Aztecs, or was it the Incas? didn't drink their hot chocolate

alone either.:rolleyes:

[Synack]

so uh, you think if we started plugging cocoa - the euphoric enhancement would be better...

there's nothing like a nice fat syringe of warm cocoa squirted up the ass to warm you up on those cold winter nights..

hmm, melt down some good milk chocolate - remove the heat then mix in your crushed pills or powdered H, PST concentrated reduction, etc. - pour it onto a pastry sheet in a thin pan, after it solidifies - cut into squares and enjoy :)

[Indy]

so uh, you think if we started plugging cocoa - the euphoric enhancement would be better...

there's nothing like a nice fat syringe of warm cocoa squirted up the ass to warm you up on those cold winter nights..

hmm, melt down some good milk chocolate - remove the heat then mix in your crushed pills or powdered H, PST concentrated reduction, etc. - pour it onto a pastry sheet in a thin pan, after it solidifies - cut into squares and enjoy :)

Why bother solidifying it? Just put the mix into a rig and shoot it up!


(note: don't do this)

[RxQueen]

You're a PST-user? I had NO idea. I always like learning a well-respected member of the board uses PST.

ONE OF US.
ONE OF US.
ONE OF US.

yeah, a few months ago i found a great supply of dirty seeds at a local baking supply type of shop. i recently started getting a much better deal on them too. see, they well them in little plastic deli containers (about 1/3 of a pound each) and i was buying 12-15 of them at once every few days. so the lady behind the counter asked me once what i was making with them. this was back in the winter, sometime after xmas. and since i have a friend who runs a sideline business making specialty cookies, i said that i'd started making some extra money by selling some breads, cakes, and cookies made with the seeds through her website. so with her thinking that i'm a legitimate professional baker, she eventually told me that she could get me a better deal on the price if i'd be interested in buying bulk quantities.

so now every 3-4 weeks, i just hafta give her a call, and she gets her boss to order an extra 7-10 pound bag of them which is set aside for me. then she calls me when they come in... and i'm only paying half of what i would if they were split out into the 1/3lb containers! so i'm set up that way... right around $40 for a sack o' seeds each month, and only one trip to the shop. if only that were enough to last me more than a week or so!

[Seedy]

^^ Sweet deal! Unfortunately they're way too clued up round here to fall for that. I guess I just don't look much like a baker :)

[Indy]

^^ Sweet deal! Unfortunately they're way too clued up round here to fall for that. I guess I just don't look much like a baker :)

Get one of those funny hats, i'm SURE they'll believe you then!:rolleyes:

[Seedy]

^^ why didn't i think of that? i could get the whole chef's costume, cover myself with flour & shit, even put on heaps of weight, htey'd never suspect a thing!

[imalgen]

I was going to start a new botanical potentiator thread, but figured i would just summon my necromancer skills and post here, as this seems to be the only cacao thread i see.

If any of you have yet to try the Theobroma cacao 25x extract that is currently available at multiple online vendors to potentiate opiates, you are seriously missing out. Like Papa Verine said in the original post, cacao wins without a doubt, and this 25x makes it easy enough to cap an oz of it so you can carry a few caps with you. Some people i know have even gone as far as making their own Opi/cacao25x/foti capsules for extremely satisfying and euphoric results.

Speaking of Polygonum multiflorum (fo-ti), it increases the strength and duration of xanthines, as well as seems to add multipliers to the opiate potentiation factor that the cacao already boosts. A person i know, was mixing opi/cacao25x/foti/thymoquinone that he claimed was better than any synthetic he had tried.

And for those whom Mitragyna speciosa(kratom) does nothing for, i would HIGHLY suggest trying again but also consuming the cacao25x and some fo-ti - some say its JUST as euphoric as a strong cuppah tea.(~6-8g kratom, ~3g cacao25x, ~2g fo-ti) the cacao seems to build tolerance very quickly, and you cannot repeat to get the euphoria more than a couple times a day, if spread out on an empty stomach. However, once a day with the cacao is amazing - and once you have the mu/cacao25x combo, it makes you want to always have the combo, as it really does make that much of a difference.

[dugwylor]

I was going to start a new botanical potentiator thread, but figured i would just summon my necromancer skills and post here, as this seems to be the only cacao thread i see.

If any of you have yet to try the Theobroma cacao 25x extract that is currently available at multiple online vendors to potentiate opiates, you are seriously missing out. Like Papa Verine said in the original post, cacao wins without a doubt, and this 25x makes it easy enough to cap an oz of it so you can carry a few caps with you. Some people i know have even gone as far as making their own Opi/cacao25x/foti capsules for extremely satisfying and euphoric results.
I assume this is cheaper than buying one of those gourmet bars of chocolate every day? Also, what're foti capsules? I'm just doing the usual cimetidine + DXM bit at present.

Does anyone have any science to back this up? Also, after a quick search it looks like people take the Cacao by itself (1 to 1.5g?) to get some kind of mild high?

[nick]

^^ why didn't i think of that? i could get the whole chef's costume, cover myself with flour & shit, even put on heaps of weight, htey'd never suspect a thing!

Bro,you'd just look like a fat junky chef.

[imalgen]

I assume this is cheaper than buying one of those gourmet bars of chocolate every day? Also, what're foti capsules? I'm just doing the usual cimetidine + DXM bit at present.

Does anyone have any science to back this up? Also, after a quick search it looks like people take the Cacao by itself (1 to 1.5g?) to get some kind of mild high?


Fo-ti is Polygonum multiflorum.

Those chocolate bars are expensive, and its hard to choke down a few ounces of raw cacao. :) Look into "adenosine receptor agents" if you want more science behind the facts. haha :D And if you search around, you can get 1lb of cacao25x for $100 plus ~ $5 shipping. I NEED to place that order soon!!!

Cacao is also used to potentiate tryptamines(ie. mushroom chocolate, pharmahuasca, etc.). The cacao 25x by itself isnt special, a nice mood lift and some energy - but thats it. If you search on some of the ayahuasca forums you can see the many ways cacao is being used for great things.

Look into cats claw(U.tomentosa) to replace the dxm in your diet(only if ya want! haha).

I think fo-ti is called a "xanthine oxidase inhibitor".

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[taj]

eat things.

Look into cats claw(U.tomentosa) to replace the dxm in your diet(only if ya want! haha).



what does the cat's claw do? just curious

[imalgen]

what does the cat's claw do? just curious

Uncaria tomentosa is an nmda antagonist. I have not noticed any recreational value, but it does its job.

[existential_apathy]

Uncaria tomentosa is an nmda antagonist. I have not noticed any recreational value, but it does its job.

Really? I use DXM now as a potentiator but DXM itself gives me negative effects. I actually have a few capsules of cats claw on me. How much cats claw are you supposed to use?

[imalgen]

Really? I use DXM now as a potentiator but DXM itself gives me negative effects. I actually have a few capsules of cats claw on me. How much cats claw are you supposed to use?

It is still fairly new to me, so im sorry, i have no suggestion really. :( :)
I have been making tea with a handful of shredded material, just tossing it in with some rooibos.

[Citrus]

Cocoa, huh.. So I could eat a couple spoonfuls of Hersheys Baking Cocoa? Or does it NOT work like that?

[Indy]

Cocoa, huh.. So I could eat a couple spoonfuls of Hersheys Baking Cocoa? Or does it NOT work like that?

Nah, that would work pretty well, but it does take kind of a lot, a couple spoonfuls like you said would probably work. Only thing is it can be really bitter, but if you can stand it, go ahead and try cocoa powder.

[insanesteveo]

It is still fairly new to me, so im sorry, i have no suggestion really. :( :)
I have been making tea with a handful of shredded material, just tossing it in with some rooibos.

dude, rooibis tea is amazing. its my favorite. ever.

and ive used cocoa to potentiate and it works alright.

ive nothing more to say on about this at this time.

[imalgen]

Cocoa, huh.. So I could eat a couple spoonfuls of Hersheys Baking Cocoa? Or does it NOT work like that?

You can get cacao whole beans from many online herb/spice shops, and many health food stores and some grocery stores carry cacao nibs as well. And when your chewing on nibs, you start to enjoy the bitter deliciousness that come with them! I have heard some people say 2g of real cocoa powder to be enough to potentate maoi/tryptamine, but i would think you would need more for this specific scenario. I always suggest the 25x extract, as it is worth purchasing(If only i could find a tek!). The 25x is full spectrum and very, very nice. There is a 15x available also, but it has a different profile and added caffeine.

[dugwylor]

Have to say, still surprised on this! Just a quick search on "adenosine receptor agents opioids" gave me a bit about morphine withdrawal in mice... feeling a little sick right now so not wild about going into research mode. Might just have to trust you and take the leap, see what happens. Anecdotal evidence always works well enough for me.

Is the Cat's Claw all that effective? I do also take magnesium, another NMDA antagonist, and it's extremely cheap and also a good thing to supplement anyhow... but would like to dump the DXM. Something about buying DXM-only syrup in the large bottles en masse every few weeks ... eh, it's probably not the cheapest way to do things.

[dugwylor]

Also, munching on some delicious baker's chocolate... somehow already made it through one piece a little larger than an Almond Roca... will see if this does much.

[dugwylor]

Apologies for the triple post... but that baker's chocolate did really do the trick. My high was tapering off and going into the background (lengthy pod high with cimetidine; woke up with it this morning), but about 30 minutes after ingesting a good chunk and a half of the baker's chocolate, the warm glow spread throughout my body in a way to which I'm unaccustomed... very nice. I'm going to keep trying it, but I think I'm sold.

Good excuse to eat a lot of dark chocolate, at any rate. An interesting double-play here is the cacao + the fatty foods aspect discussed in another thread. And I'm a skinny bastard so it can't but help all around.

[imalgen]

Have to say, still surprised on this! Just a quick search on "adenosine receptor agents opioids" gave me a bit about morphine withdrawal in mice... feeling a little sick right now so not wild about going into research mode. Might just have to trust you and take the leap, see what happens. Anecdotal evidence always works well enough for me.

Is the Cat's Claw all that effective? I do also take magnesium, another NMDA antagonist, and it's extremely cheap and also a good thing to supplement anyhow... but would like to dump the DXM. Something about buying DXM-only syrup in the large bottles en masse every few weeks ... eh, it's probably not the cheapest way to do things.


(Uncaria t.)Cats claw seems to be pretty effective...so far at least. Ill need at least another month or so to have a better opinion on it. And its very very cheap - but it tastes awful(at least i think so). I may attempt an extraction or just purchase a concentrate to research further.

Ive made 2 batches of homemade chocolate this last week, 1 fail 1 success. haha
I used butter, milk, honey, brown sugar, white sugar, cacao, fo-ti, kola nut, american ginseng, nutmeg and vanilla bean - all freshly ground/prepared. VERY nice and more effective than i could have hoped for, now i just need to figure out what went wrong with the different batches!!! If you make your own, it tastes WAY better than that bakers chocolate stuff - the success batch came out delicious and potent!

[dugwylor]

(Uncaria t.)Cats claw seems to be pretty effective...so far at least. Ill need at least another month or so to have a better opinion on it. And its very very cheap - but it tastes awful(at least i think so). I may attempt an extraction or just purchase a concentrate to research further.
Nice. You can't just take it in pills, though? Or do you buy as an herb or what, with far too much material to be taken down in order to do the job? Also, speaking of, about how much do you use? (And any brand in particular?) Not sure where to start with that... do they standardize it, usually?

Ive made 2 batches of homemade chocolate this last week, 1 fail 1 success. haha
I used butter, milk, honey, brown sugar, white sugar, cacao, fo-ti, kola nut, american ginseng, nutmeg and vanilla bean - all freshly ground/prepared. VERY nice and more effective than i could have hoped for, now i just need to figure out what went wrong with the different batches!!! If you make your own, it tastes WAY better than that bakers chocolate stuff - the success batch came out delicious and potent!
Not a bad idea... even just a little baker's chocolate plus enough sugar would be delicious and possibly more affordable than an extract... Couldn't be any harder than making mushroom chocolates, yeah? I'll have to look into getting fo-ti as well...

[imalgen]

Nice. You can't just take it in pills, though? Or do you buy as an herb or what, with far too much material to be taken down in order to do the job? Also, speaking of, about how much do you use? (And any brand in particular?) Not sure where to start with that... do they standardize it, usually?

Im sure they sell pills. I have only used whole herb material though, steeped in hot water. I can only assume there are standardized extracts available, i would just be going over to scirus search engine and finding journals on extraction - then reworking those into something simple enough to do in the kitchen. I only mentioned making/buying an extract due to the shit taste the tea has. haha

As far as 'how much', i just throw a small handful in with whatever night time tisane im making - be it tossed in with rooibos or chamomile or pods, etc.