opioponder.org?

[mad_hatter]

I've been a member for some time, but just reading posts really, and just today started sending posts. But I think it would be beneficial to have an external webpage which answers the main questions asked on this board on an almost daily basis, such as "how do you remove x time release" or "what is a good starting dose for my opiate naive friend", etc. I think a website like this would further improve this website's attempt at harm reduction, as we would have a website to go to where the information is well organized into categories so it can be easily viewed; since most people, when asked a question which is asked frequently will mostly respond with "use the search engine idiot", and let's face it, wading through that many threads is very time consuming.

I have web space, and I have the time to commit to this effort if you know anyone who would be interested on collaborating on this with me. I know there are many webpages such as erowid, and lycaeum, which share this kind of information. But this will be more of a question/answer sort of system, where one can ask a question in a box, and the answer is spewed out in a box underneath, quickly, efficiently, without starting flame wars, and without the person having to search through 20 pages of results, instead only peruse through only a few, dictionary definition length answers to the question they have asked, a semantic sort of knowledge engine containing information on drugs such as normal prices one may expect to pay, what are good starting doses, what is x pill?, how do i use x pill? and so on. Maybe if there is any bad dope going around in an area we could have an alert type of system on the side of the page, with average qualities, prices, etc in different areas...like definitely not specific, but , california, or ontario, or florida, or even less specific to say like eastern canada, but I think this would be a great step forward in harm reduction, and helping out fellow people like outselves, looking after each other so to speak. If you are interested and have any ideas to add or anything to elaborate on my ideas please do so. I have my own web hosting with www.ixwebhosting.com (http://www.ixwebhosting.com) which is a pretty good host, and have nothing but time on my hands to just sit and type all day long, and I also enjoy it, and I like helping people for the betterment of man kind, especially the people who society may look down upon just because we take substances which 'normal' people don't -- as a lunesta commercial plays in the background...how damn ironic. I don't think this would just benefit this forum's community, but a lot of other people, such as other harm reduction web sites who may link to it, and many other people who may need answers to certain questions, and who want a system that is easier to use than a searching system where you have to wade through 20 pages of results.

Thank you for listening to my suggestion, I'm going to start working on this because I think it is a pretty damn good idea, and could help solve a lot of frustration towards lazy people asking repetitive questions on the boards, and it will also help a lot of first timers who may come here and not know the differences between say a percocet and an oxycontin 80, and could end up overdosing because he decided they both must be the same. Anyways, please respondwith what you think about this and give me your comments, suggestions, feedback, if you have any skills that we could use that would be great. Just post in this thread and we can work out a rough draft. I am pretty good with most web languages, although just starting to learn ajax. So, if you would like to help, I have already send a comment through the comments page on opiophile, asking what the andministrators think about this idea, and if they would support it.

Anyways, my mind is just overflowing with ideas right now, and hopefully you will all consider this, even if you contribute anonymously. I think this would be a great partner to this website, or just another great site full of information.I'm already paying for the hosting, and currently doing nothing with it. I would just have to buy another domain name. So if you're interested let me know please -- as for some of the questions and information we will need to do things such as polls, questionnaires and so forth.

Thanks,

- Mad Hatter

ps: this would definitely not be another forum site or a social networking site of any kind, this would be a website with better search capabilities, including semantic search, a website which would stay up to date with new information as it is posted to the board and new answers are added every day, it will be a categorized, easy to use database of everything you ever needed to know about opiates and benzos and anything else (those are my favourites anyways ;D).

We could even have tools that you could either download onto your computer, or they could be online, but tools such as dosage calculators where you enter your current dose, current weight, type of pill you take, the chemical that you take, etc, and then it would give you a taper schedule based on what you tell it, telling you how many pills each day to take, and the like. And you could adjust how fast or how slow you want to taper, but in the middle would be the taper which I learned on here which was lower by 1/3rd every time the half-life of the medication expires or something like that? i forget exactly what it was...maybe it wasn't that, but it was like, however fast your body takes to completely eliminate it and adjust down to the dose that you had just changed to. We could have just...just...jeeze man...the possibilities are endless...I think that weed I smoked earlier was laced with some speed or something... shit, I've just got like motormouth crap pouring out of my head, but I still think this is an amazing idea, so please, and comments or suggestions or questions or clarifications or anything you want to add or question or criticize please do so, i thrive on criticism.

[baysteve]

this post hurts my head.

[mad_hatter]

Sorry man, too long? I was kind of rambling a bit, and it's hard for me to explain my thoughts and put them into words that make sense a lot of the time.

Basically, I want to make another website, that will gather frequently asked questions of posters on this forum, and get a number of answers to the question from this site, which have already been answered, and other websites, and just compile it all into one easy to use web application.

One will then be able to go to this other site and type into a query box for instance "How much dilaudid should I try to IV if it's my first time?", and then the site would come back with a number of short answers directly related to the question, or phrase that was entered. For instance, one answer to the question could be "depending on weight, the normal medical dosage is .01 ug/kg" (that was not based on anything at all, just a suggestion), another answer to the question could be one person's account of their first time using dilaudid through IV injection, including how much they take, if they felt it enough, etc.

Like I said above, this will not be a social networking site or an extension of any kind of forum to extend this community, but just a means to gather, categorize, maintain, and keep up to date information based on experience, through people's answers in threads, and through other sources of information.

Kind of make sense now?

[Dan Steely]

this post hurts my head.

You're funny BS, yeah I wont even consider reading a post like that which obviously says more about me than the poster.

Mad Hatter, no offense man it's just the world we live in these days, even guys running for president dont expect us to listen for more than like 8 seconds.

You got some good ideas there though.

[mad_hatter]

Damn, it's such a good idea that I know would work so great. If only I had some easy and quick way to explain it...like...an early 90s rap music video....or an 80s montage scene.... lol

[frankie]

:p b s you really are a pisser cause i gotta headache too...and nothing to take for it

[mad_hatter]

You just can't handle the idea of free knowledge, that everyone should be able to easily find information in less than 5 clicks, without reading through pages and pages of garbage first, to find out if they are even looking at the right thread to find the information that they are looking for. I think if people took the time to understand this idea they would see that it would be for the better, and how many people it could end up helping.

[baysteve]

Take your own advice mad hatter..dont make us read thru a lot of fluff, K.I.S I hope you don't take my post as a bash to your idea, your post seriously hurt my head..I think its a good idea.

[DreamSellerInc]

I think it's a good idea. I'm trained in databasing, HTML,Perl,Basic,C++. Ill respond and add more later.

[WarmCyanide]

if it's ok with OP i put main idea of post in bold cuz alot of people wont read large posts.

[mad_hatter]

i put main idea of post in bold cuz alot of people wont read large posts.
Thank you for doing that, I just wasn't sure in my state of mind at the time of posting how I could explain myself properly.

[Badly Drawn Girl]

You just can't handle the idea of free knowledge, that everyone should be able to easily find information in less than 5 clicks, without reading through pages and pages of garbage first, to find out if they are even looking at the right thread to find the information that they are looking for. I think if people took the time to understand this idea they would see that it would be for the better, and how many people it could end up helping.

I don't think it's a bad idea but you'll still get the same dumb fucks posting the same dumb questions on here. I really don't think it will change much. It isn't that it's hard to find the information. I've looked up a ton of stuff on this site and I never had to wade through pages of garbage to get the answer.

You are obviously sold on the idea so quit looking for encouragement and go do it. Not trying to slam you but when you make snarky comments (ie You just can't handle the idea of free knowledge), and make multiple posts repeating the benefits of a new site... well it gets old.

[Dune]

I don't think it's a bad idea but you'll still get the same dumb fucks posting the same dumb questions on here. I really don't think it will change much. It isn't that it's hard to find the information. I've looked up a ton of stuff on this site and I never had to wade through pages of garbage to get the answer.

Yeah, what she said!!

[DreamSellerInc]

<snip>I know there are many webpages such as erowid


Does that make it simpler for you. An erowid-type, informational site, that works in tandem with opiophile, and maybe- under the opiophile name?


Badlydrawngirl: he's just explaining himself. The posters were being rather unresponsive.It's not like hes made 3 pages of "snarky" comments, and i doubt he's looking for encouragement, just help and ideas.

And by wading through garbage, he meant sifting over pages of stupid irrelevent posts like the ones we are making right now.


Pretty much, if the idea doesnt interest you, then why are you still here.

[mad_hatter]

First off I made one shorter post outlining the idea in fewer words, because people were complaining that it was too much to read, which, after looking at it, I agree, there was too much to read there...which is exactly why I shortened it. I was on a ramble, and I couldn't stop myself because I couldn't get my point across, and that's what happens to me sometimes.

The reason I'm asking for input is because, yes, I have my own ideas about what something like this should include, and what would be helpful to people, like a taper calculator, or conversion between different types of medications, strength-wise. Of course, you can find all of these things on google, but having them in one place just makes it easier for everyone who would want to use it.

The only reason I was becoming frustrated was because I couldn't explain myself and get my thoughts out in fewer words, which is just like a tic in my mind, and when I can't get it out my mind just keeps going but nothing's coming...understand?

Anyways, yes, I'm going to start on this, I was merely asking if people would be interested in using it, what kind of information they would want on it, and if there are going to be averaged answers for certain questions then there are going to have to be a number of polls taken and what not, which is why I wanted to know if anyone else was interested.

I'm not trying to start a flame-war by the way, just trying to defend my position, and yes, I did repeat myself a number of times, but like I said, I couldn't get the idea out of my head and into words properly, and that's what happens.



Once again, another long post lol, sorry for the headache people... in summation - this is my idea, and i just wanted to know if other people were interested in participating for the reasons outlined in my first post, and also in this post.

[Cherry's Jubilee]

Sorry but I don't think it's that difficult to find information on here. Tfse isn't the greatest but it works and if you can't find something someone else can always direct you to it. The information on this site has been compiled for years, it's extremely thorough, there are "stickies" for the more common and/or complex information so you can find that stuff really easily.

I personally, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, LIKE the discussion format because you can see differing points of view and questions answered and more thorough explanations, besides the fact that it's just a lot more damn entertaining to read through conversations and smartass remarks than to suddenly be provided with impersonal textbook explanations for everything.

Essentially, your idea is simply to take the exact purpose and function of opiophile and format it a bit differently and sterilize it. If you have all this web space and time on your hands why don't you come up with an original idea and let opiophile continue doing what it does best.

Don't cry now. You asked.

EDIT: P.S. I do like the taper schedule calculator idea. What's the deal with that? Does it already exist or is it something you just thought of? Did you or could you create that yourself? Very interesting.

[mad_hatter]

See, but you're missing the point, I'm not trying to take away the social aspect in any way, I love that too, I love reading what people are thinking, and seeing differing viewpoints. But say you shot into an artery, i searched "inject artery" into the search engine, first off, if you're panicking, you have to read the titles of the threads, which is hard to do as some of the thread titles have nothing at all to do with content. You then have to sift through what the whole conversation is that is going on in the thread, whether it pertains to you hitting an artery and shooting into it or not. Doing all this while freaking out because your hand is swelling up to the size of a balloon isn't the easiest thing to do, unless you can stay calm in such circumstances. If there was a website that you could go to however, where that information was all compiled, told you how long the swelling would last, told you what to do about it, related to you other people's experiences, all just by typing in 1 word, or just by clicking through a category or two. I think I kind of trailed off in thought there...I don't know, but what I am saying is that when you're freaking out or something, the search would be hard to use yes? would you rather not have a site of compiled information....compiled from the people who belong to this board....who know from personal experience...without having to read through stupid people's comments and sort out the bullshit...I mean, sure that's fun sometimes, but when you're in a panic, you want the answer and you want it now. Either way, I don't really care, I was offering to do this because I thought it was a pretty good idea to categorize all this information and sort out the shit talk from the information.

[DreamSellerInc]

My advice: chill mad_hatter, dont take these as personal attacks. Just see what happens, you dont have to defend yourself at every poster. After these people express their opinions, you can worry about being clear. You seem a little desperate, don't get so frustrated over nothing.

I understand exactly where youre comin from and what you mean, and if people really care and arent just picking at your comments, then they will too.

[Somanax]

Are you Tweakin' ??????

I mean talk about excessive

unnecasary bullshit ??..

You really like to type ??

If it make's you happy

It will at least keep you busy as fuck

I mean to list and categorize all the info here

I would sift through and read alot faster
.
and get my answer

I mean your proposal would leave

absolutely no time to get high:p

[mad_hatter]

I'm fine, I was just having a bad day, my fuckin dog died this morning, my new morphine pills I couldn't figure out how to make them injectable (which i just did after hours of trying) and so now swim is going to go kick off and feel much better, and sorry for being so defensive to everyone, but I dunno, it's like, I just started to posting here, and it felt like it was like people here just were denying my right to voice my idea because i'm new here or something, which i realize wasn't the case, i'm bleh....i'm going to take my meds now and just forget about all of this :P lol I think that's the best thing I can say about this.

And pity party for me :P hah
seriously that was not my intention.

[Cherry's Jubilee]

I'm fine, I was just having a bad day, my fuckin dog died this morning, my new morphine pills I couldn't figure out how to make them injectable (which i just did after hours of trying) and so now swim is going to go kick off and feel much better, and sorry for being so defensive to everyone, but I dunno, it's like, I just started to posting here, and it felt like it was like people here just were denying my right to voice my idea because i'm new here or something, which i realize wasn't the case, i'm bleh....i'm going to take my meds now and just forget about all of this :P lol I think that's the best thing I can say about this.

Oh my god, I'm so sorry about your dog. I didn't mean to be so harsh. I feel terrible. I'm sorry.

[Somanax]

Sorry bout the dog

Glad you worked out

Your new M

Take a break man

Enjoy your evening

[frankie]

so sorry to hear about your dog and i hope your day gets better, but i say if it ain't broke don't fix it

[mad_hatter]

yup yup, I was just kind of freaking out because I couldn't get my meds in me and I was wasting pills which was just frustrating me to no end, and the whole dog thing hasn't helped my mood today. But luckily I got everything worked out as far as my drugs, and am feeling a bit better about things.

I'm sure everyone has those days where everything seems to be going wrong and you end up feeling that the whole world is against you. At least that's what happens to me.

Anyways, I am in a much better mood now and am indifferent to the whole idea of making another site at the moment. I will however write a tapering dosage calculator, based on one of the taper methods on this site that has worked for me, and try to work in cross tolerances, half lives, and all that when calculating the time needed until you move down to the next step. I guess it doesn't really matter how it works, but it will be good, so look forward to it, and I hope it will help a few people out at times.

[roxi*stardust]

I don't think it's a bad idea but you'll still get the same dumb fucks posting the same dumb questions on here. I really don't think it will change much. It isn't that it's hard to find the information. I've looked up a ton of stuff on this site and I never had to wade through pages of garbage to get the answer.

You are obviously sold on the idea so quit looking for encouragement and go do it. Not trying to slam you but when you make snarky comments (ie You just can't handle the idea of free knowledge), and make multiple posts repeating the benefits of a new site... well it gets old.


Exactly! People will ask the same questions over and over again. It happens here all the time even when the information is either posted at the tops of the forum in the form of Sticky Threads or very easily searchable. Several of the most commonly asked questions are *stuck* at the top of each forum. It never fails, even with those staring people right in the face, they ask.

Everything on this site is very easily searchable. I never have a hard time finding information here. Type in what you want to search for and it brings it up. You can used the advanced search function to narrow your results.

Most times people just don't want to be bothered looking or searching for the information they want. It's easier for them to type up a post and wait for someone else to get the information for them.

[DreamSellerInc]

Well, mad_hatter, I'd be glad to work on this idea with you.

Names?


You'd have to have a lot of options for rapid taper, slow taper, 2 year calender taper. Ya know. By chemical. It'd be better to have that as a web-based application that can be accessed and added too.

[jacky]

mad hatter, what you suggest is likely a good idea.

its just the logistics of the action of creating such a site that are beyond my capabilities.

its true though, we need more websites to cater to opiophiles , opiophobes, and harm minimization workers/information.

opiophile.org is created/maintained at anyone time by 1-10 people, there is now one owner.
alot of people handle my affairs here at opiophile, they share liabilitys by using the website, and just being on a computer and sharing information about drugs, but in the end, I am the sole owner if any liability would be applicable to me.

having a website cater to people that are trying to find out information so they can process drugs, synth. drugs, use drugs, or sell drugs, and actually having a live person hand out information that helps a person get the job done,.....that might be a tad too risky.
there is a difference between a sticky thread, and a helpful person at the other end of a chat box telling you how to process pills that are not for shooting up in the first place.
or coming up with bad ideas like shooting grapefruit juice.
ha ha.

it seems harm minimization groups would want to appear non transgressive.

it all depends on the person giving the information out.

really, what you are talking about is a maintenance job, answering questions, dealing with rude people, crazy people, dealing with solicitation type of questions, specifics. etc.
every website such as this will most likely have some drama in the history of existing.
be prepared for that.
you might even find a picture of your house in the mail, from a person who lives hundreds of miles away, a person you had to kick off the website for being foolish, soliciting sex and drugs, and blowing pictures of themselves at their local swingers club online.
maybe they have freinds in the area? and this is all a joke.
or maybe they did travel all that way to fuck with your life?

now, that scenario didnt happen to me, but something close happened to a freind of mine.
all associated with trying to help people communicate about issues.

I say go for your idea.
its better that you take a chance and try and build on the scene.
just be careful, dont be afraid to edit your original ideas, and see a lawyer, or at least get involved with reading up on some laws.

the internet will continue to have a positive impact on some peoples lives, even junkies....just be careful.

people have put themselves in situations online and have lost damn near everything that was important to them.

and, look at the content of this thread.
count the negative reactions to your idea, that will give you some idea of how hard you might have it seeing your dream through.

it will cost some money, but that can be overcome in time.

I hope to see growth in the area of online drug research / advocate communitys, the growth is slow, but evertime someone like you sees a project thru, the line changes a bit.
there is some backsliding, but nothing like the backsliding the underclass had to deal with before the communication revolution!!

[DreamSellerInc]

Cheers Jacky

[mad_hatter]

I think the idea of a web app that deals with tapering dosages, a dosage converter from one drug to another, including cross tolerance, maybe even a calendar that you can set yourself goals to get your dosage down to a certain level is a much more reasonable idea than I had initially suggested, and I would really like to follow through with this, so I will do up some preliminaries, and anyone who wants to be involved or can help with ajax, javascript, database creation, etc, please share your input, and I'll draw up some preliminary ideas as far as layout, and function flow charting... as well, no flash, as I want to make this as accessible and fast an application as I can, available to everyone.

I know we can't share e-mails through opiophile, so I'm somewhat confused as to how we can work on this in the beginning collaboratively, but I am a capable developer when it comes to php, javascript (dhtml, ajax and other techniques), mysql, and many other programs, just not so good on the design side of things as far as graphics go.

But please, if you are interested, let's seriously talk about this, and flowchart it out, and just see what kind of web app we can come up with!


And Jacky, I didn't mean to have an actual person answering people's questions, because that is what this is for, a forum for people to communicate their ideas freely right? My main idea was a sort of database which could be queried semantically, like asking an actual person a question, but the question, since it was most likely already answered on this forum, would be formatted to fit the person's question. For instance if I were to type into the query box "What are some things that can help with withdrawal?", a number of answers would be returned, depending on what was found on this site, and how directly it relates to the question being asked. For instance "1. Clonidine is a medication which will help with blood pressure and also help you sleep. 2. Valium is a medication which will help you sleep and will help relieve the anxiety you may feel while withdrawing." and so on.

I realize now that this would be a very large undertaking, and very hard to do, and I think I'm just going to focus on creating the web app which will help people compare relative dosages, help to calculate taper schedules, and perhaps even set up calendars for individual users with specific dates or goals such as a dose which they wish to reach by a certain date, and they would be able to track their progress.

Now, mentioning this now, I realize that there could be some scary legal consequences if someone were to get hold of this information, because we all wish to keep our lives private, and if indeed I am going to undertake this project, I am going to consult a lawyer as to the rights of people, and their privacy if they were indeed taking part in an application such as this which helps them track their progress.

Thank you all for your ideas, criticism, and inspiration, and I hope to hear more from you all as this project develops.

- Mad Hatter

[tasteuvheaven]

I don't think it's a bad idea but you'll still get the same dumb fucks posting the same dumb questions on here. I really don't think it will change much. It isn't that it's hard to find the information. I've looked up a ton of stuff on this site and I never had to wade through pages of garbage to get the answer.

You are obviously sold on the idea so quit looking for encouragement and go do it. Not trying to slam you but when you make snarky comments (ie You just can't handle the idea of free knowledge), and make multiple posts repeating the benefits of a new site... well it gets old.


I have to hijack for a sec, I LOVE YOUR LITTLE MAN SETTING HIMSELF ON FIRE! I been feelin down and out and I aught myself sittin here giggling and just kept watchin it for a minute or two. haha. Thanks ;) made my night :hangloose