Heroin Potency

[SafeHaven]

Is there a way to make the Heroin that are sold in the streets more potent by extracting , adding or combining it with something?

[Sykotherapudik Lee]

There are a number of ways to potentiate the effects that heroin has on the brain, but i'm unsure about anything one could add to the heroin itself to make it stronger (I assume that's what you're asking?)

Benzo's, DXM, even super-small amounts of naloxone can potentiate the effects of certain opiates, but i imagine the answer you're looking for is probably one in how to purify street heroin - aside from that i doubt there's much you could cut the dope with (as it would already be cut with it to begin with.)

i imagine there's a good purification recipe out there somewhere for such a thing - neonjoint.com (http://www.neonjoint.com/) has been a great reference for me in the past on a number of questions.

[jacky]

yes there are purification techniques posted on the internet, I have never known anyone to attempt it....if a person was buying the product in larger amounts than a daily paper, and had some nerve and self control it could possibly be very beneficial to clean up street skag, IF careful attention to dosage is adhered to, remember cut is put in not only to make more money, but so the dope can be easily handled, most people dont have the "training" equipment or scales to correctly handle pure heroin.

[SafeHaven]

Would IV-ing and smoking be around the same % of absorbtion? or does IV win in this situation? And has anyone had any experience going the "enema" route?

[1badrabbit]

Would IV-ing and smoking be around the same % of absorbtion? or does IV win in this situation? And has anyone had any experience going the "enema" route?

I would say that the IV route is going to have the highest rate of absorbtion. The effects from smoking are felt nearly as fast as IV, but they aren't nearly as strong. However its difficult to overdose smoking so its a little safer. Only enema experience I have ever heard of was a friend who recieved oxymorphone supositories after a serious car accident. He said he would have prefered IV, because it wasn't comfortable to have something up his ass.

[SafeHaven]

are there ways to alleviate mild constipation that comes with people on opiates? also, can you elaborate a bit as to why its hard to OD when smoking as opposed to IV-ing? i havent heard of too many people smoking heroin. most seem to take the snorting or IV route. perhaps because your lungs end up taking alot of abuse? hmm...

[SafeHaven]

I apologize for asking so many questions, just want things to be safe before diving into anything. thank you all for responding back.

[1badrabbit]

are there ways to alleviate mild constipation that comes with people on opiates? also, can you elaborate a bit as to why its hard to OD when smoking as opposed to IV-ing? i havent heard of too many people smoking heroin. most seem to take the snorting or IV route. perhaps because your lungs end up taking alot of abuse? hmm...

To alleviate constipation you can take an over the counter stool softener or laxative. Also taking a fiber supplement or prune juice can help produce a bowel movement. It seems that taking a good fiber supplement would help keep you regular rather then just take meds every few days after you haven't gone for a while.

Smoking is absorbed nearly as fast as IV, because its absorbed directly through the lungs. However the lung capacity is a limiting factor that prevents ingesting huge amounts of heroin at one time. Where with IV you can inject a huge amount of heroin all at once. You will pass out or end up vomitting long before you could overdose smoking heroin. It might be possible with something that was nearing 100% pure and taking hit after hit very quickly. But even then I doubt you would overdose just probably puke your guts out or pass out.

The biggest reason I think a lot of people don't smoke heroin is that the only form of heroin made to be specifically smoked is black tar. This type of heroin is not found very often on the Eastern side of the country. Also it is a wasteful way of using heroin, and the high although nearly as fast as IV to set in doesn't have the rush of IV and doesn't last very long at all. Snorting doesn't carry the rush of IV, but does last much longer then smoking it. IV has the strongest rush of all methods of administration and thats what people are usually after. It also allows you to use the smallest amount of heroin to get high since its the most direct method of administration.

[SafeHaven]

So is it safe to say that snorting it, which absorbs only what 35-55%, lasts longer, but wont get you that high, while if you smoke it, which absorbs 55-90%? doesnt last long, but you end up getting a better high?

[1badrabbit]

So is it safe to say that snorting it, which absorbsonly what 35-55%, lasts longer, but wont get you that high, while ifyou smoke it, which absorbs 55-90%? doesnt last long, but you end upgetting a better high?

It would be very difficult to put percentages on any of it. Afterall factors such as your sinuses, the amount of cut, and how much youhad already snorted that night could all alter the rate or amountabsorbed. You can overdose snorting, so I would think thats apretty good indicator that its possible to get plenty high thatway. Smoking doesn't give any better a high then snorting theeffects are just felt sooner because its absorbed to the bloodstreammore directly then snorting it. And snorting lasts longer, whilesmoking doesn't last very long at all and tends to be wasteful. No way to put a percent or quality type rating to any of it in respectto snorting and smoking.

[bi11i]

Smoking doesn't give any better a high then snorting theeffects are just felt sooner because its absorbed to the bloodstreammore directly then snorting it.not exactly, i would say that the high is totally different. there's the high of heroin, and then there's the initial rush immediately after shooting it - two totally seperate gigs in my book. you'll never get the latter with smoking heroin.

one method that i used to be pretty fond of was snorting it via drip. i could get almost just as high as I would with shooting it, although without the rush. i would cook down my dope (brown tar almost always) in a spoon, just like I normally would if i was going to fix it, but instead of using a cotton and needle, I'd use a medicine dropper, squirting the liquid back into my nose with my head tilted back. not a real pleasant taste, but my first experience with heroin was this way and it wasn't a bad way to go for someone who didn't want to mess around with needles (just yet, anyway.)

[1badrabbit]

not exactly, i would say that the high is totallydifferent. there's the high of heroin, and then there's the initialrush immediately after shooting it - two totally seperate gigs in mybook. you'll never get the latter with smoking heroin.

one method that i used to be pretty fond of was snorting it via drip. icould get almost just as high as I would with shooting it, althoughwithout the rush. i would cook down my dope (brown tar almost always)in a spoon, just like I normally would if i was going to fix it, butinstead of using a cotton and needle, I'd use a medicine dropper,squirting the liquid back into my nose with my head tilted back. not areal pleasant taste, but my first experience with heroin was this wayand it wasn't a bad way to go for someone who didn't want to messaround with needles (just yet, anyway.)

What I meant was that the effects of heroin are felt faster whensmoking it rather then snorting it. I realize that the rush isn'tfelt unless IV'ing. Personally I tried the drip thing like yousaid and it killed my sinuses. After IV'ing I just felt like allother methods of administering were a waste.

[jacky]

snorting is the next most potent way to injest heroin besides IV, unless the heroin is VAPORIZED. when smoking opium much of the morphine is in the ashes, so I wonder what smoking H does to the stability of the compound? gycerin solution with saline solution that is made for dry nasal passages will hold the "whatever" in the nose without it all running donw a person throat. I have also heard of some pretty bad conditions that are goin around especially in the Bay area from smoking tar heroin, obviously its something in the CUT and not the pure dope..... In my H using days smoking was something I did because I could, I sometimes had dope to burn, and thats what I did, basically wasting it. sterilizing H before snorting is a good idea, it comes on rather quickly, and is about as dangerous as other methods, actually it may be MORE dangerous in the sense that it can get built up, a person can suffer a coagulation of H that then gets absorbed all at once, etc. I experienced this a few times when snorting many times a day. basically you dont feel the dope as quickly and its easier to do too much waiting for effect...............