I dont get it.

[SodaPop1986]

Ok so it seems that of late there has been alot of talk about dope in Florida, from what i gather its hard to find unless u know sombody, just from what ive read, unless u live in Jacksonville. I dont understand this, how could a state with the or one the largest ports of entery for cocaine and probably alot of other stuff be hard to get ron in? Ive read that in recent years columbian cartels that usually just delt in coke started dealling with heroin, some say this is why purinty has rose in some areas. so are the columbians or south american cartels for that matter not producing heroin or are they just not sending it through miami? And why not? If youve got the logistics set up to ship your coke why not use the some route to ship your heroin? Alot of people seem to think that most of the heroin in the use comes from south america and mexico, i say thats only true for black tar, and the powder we see on the eastern seaboard comes from Europe and the the golden triangle area, if it came form south america why wouldnt it come through the port of miami and ports nearby, why send it another 1500 mile further north?

JUst curious as to what you guys think, ive always been intersted in how and where this stuff comes into the states. I always thought it would be cool if when you got your shit it had a little number on it that you could type in online and it would tell u where it was made and all the stops it made befor it got to u, kinda like the that wheresgeorge.com for money,.

[baysteve]

Sure..lets make it even easier for the DEA to to find drugs :rolleyes:

[Black_Pony]

Wow I didn't know it was like that in FL, but if thats the case it would piss me off too! One thing I've noticed is that people tend to have the same DOC in common on a regional basis. Its a weird phenomenon if you ask me and counter intuitive cuz I'd expect members of a regional population to have relatively the same statistical distribution of various DOCs as our country as a whole does. But in reality, I've observed that certain locales tend to have one or two drugs that just ramp up in popularity until everyone is on the same thing. Like the county where I live now, EVERYONE craves methamphetamine like its god's gift to their veins. They all treat it like the greatest thing since sliced bread. When I lived in the bay, crack rock was king of the streets.

Still I wouldn't think an entire state would be devoid of a heroin market, thats horrible! But I'm just taking a stab at randomly guessing a rational explanation, and the only thing I can think of is regional popularity factor. Could it be that everyone just loves the yayo and has no real desire to shoot H? Or do you think it runs deeper somehow?

[Dan Steely]

It's there, you just gotta poke around. In my city(upstate ny)there are young black guys waving you down to sell you crack but you need an intro or tracks to get the boy. I heard there was a pretty good scene in Miami.

[jonny-5]

yea in rehab i met quite a few heroin addicts from florida. its there, people just need to look harder. its probably just not that popular of a drug throughout most of that state.

[Mayo]

I don't know why H is hard to find in south florida, if that is still true.

There was none to be found when I lived in Miama and the keys.

Weed and coke were everywhere. Miami is a party town. Coke is a party drug.
Like X. Party all night, hell all day too. Heroin, not so much :).

Club owners esp. wouldn't like to have heroin around, as it would
reduce alcohol consumption, cutting into their profits. Club owners may tolerate coke and X, but not H.

In other words, heroin just doesn't fit the 24 hour go-fast party lifestyle like coke.

EDIT: About the smuggling. You want to spread out your operation, makes it harder on LE.
Bring your H in up north where it's in highest demand, and your coke in Miami, where it's in highest demand. Plus, there was a HUGE crackdown on south florida in the mid nineties by the feds. If you owned a waterfront property, your finances were investigated. Hundreds and hundreds of homes were confiscated by the feds. I remember seeing these signs on homes saying 'no trespassing this property has been seized by the US federal government: US marshals service'. Thats when smuggling through mexico really started up again.

[chopstix]

I could never find it in S FL either when I was there, all I ever found were K4s (whoa is me but $35 ea.) and occasional MSContin. I'm sure it's there, but I only ever saw white dope a couple times and it was crap.. This was early 90s.. And there WAS coke everywhere..

[Synack]

I used to take weekly trips to South Beach, Tampa and Orlando.. I guess it helps when you're flashing money around (I worked hard, and spend every dime), but we never had trouble getting what we wanted. Even if it was mostly cocaine at the time.. H was there..

[drugsaregood]

SWIM is near Boca Raton\Delray, etc. He knows its around for sure. It's all over lake worth too. SWIM has known OC dealers who have had it in stock. Unfortunately from what has been seen, it's mostly coke\crack. Especially on the corners (SWIM stays away from corners\coke). There's not really open air markets or anything of the sorts. BUT ITS THERE.

[Black_Pony]

Speaking of rocks, I just got myself $40 worth of those dirty little bastards to go with my OC. :D Definitely not as enjoyable as some good powdered yola and more of a pain to fix up with the vinegar and all. I'd much prefer to stick with water-soluble drugs only, of high water solubility preferably, but a little crack makes life interesting I guess. :rolleyes:

[baysteve]

SWIM should swim their way to hollywood florida. find the big round-a-bout in the center of town by the publix....an out-of-towner like myself had luck there.

[Raisin]

It's here. You just have to know where to go. Most of the larger cities: Miami, West Palm area, Orlando, Tampa, have small scenes. You just have to do the leg work. I moved away for 5 yrs and came back and found it right where I left it. Hell, finding it has always been half the fun for me. A lot of people down here opt for oxy because it's so much more prevalent. So many croakers and shoppers that you just need to find one person and bang....zoom!

[Narkotikon]

It's there, but I'm sure it's in Miami. Anywhere you have a fashion center you're going to have coke and heroin. How do you think the models stay so thin?

[Mayo]

It's there, but I'm sure it's in Miami. Anywhere you have a fashion center you're going to have coke and heroin. How do you think the models stay so thin?

That's entirely different than what the OP was asking. As small scene for the models
vs. why isn't south florida flodded in H like it is with coke, if in fact it is columbian H.

IMO heroin has never been widely available in south florida because it just doesn't fit in with the lifestyle. Coke does, in a big way.

Things are changing tho, and it would not surprise me if heroin is much more readily available in south florida now, as it appears to be just about everywhere else.

Seems to me that heroin has always been bigger in the northeast, that's why it goes there vs. south florida. Safer on a container ship 50 miles offshore than in a truck going up I-95?

Shipment is through mexico now mostly? Since the crackdown in south florida a decade ago? That could change again too.

[Narkotikon]

That's entirely different than what the OP was asking.


I know. Just trying to be humorous.

[Mayo]

I know. Just trying to be humorous.

Oh. Well in that case...LMAO

:)

[D-BoyJake]

If you're interested in the different routes used to bring the drugs up from South America, you would really enjoy reading a book called "Killing Pablo" by Mark Bowden. (Soon to be a movie, starring that bad guy from No Country for Old Men).

It's really well written, and chronicles the life and times of Pablo Escobar, the OG Drug King, and how he rose to power, how he established the exportation of drugs to the US as Columbia's main source of money, and how the US Govt. finally said "enough" and sent some rather special soldiers down to Columbia to hunt and ultimately kill Pablo.

I've read it a few times, and really liked the way Bowden not only verbally described the process and routes, but also his first person account of testing a few of those routes himself. (I'm assuming w/o any drugs in his possession).

[Consumed.]

It's here. You just have to know where to go. Most of the larger cities: Miami, West Palm area, Orlando, Tampa, have small scenes. You just have to do the leg work. I moved away for 5 yrs and came back and found it right where I left it. Hell, finding it has always been half the fun for me. A lot of people down here opt for oxy because it's so much more prevalent. So many croakers and shoppers that you just need to find one person and bang....zoom!

My experience in Florida is it's one of the few states that still scripts oxys and methadone fairly easily. Member when people where driving from Kentucky to S. Florida to go to bunk docs and get oxy scripts? Same thing was happening a year ago. Try getting an oxy script in NY or MA. They prescribe the roxy 30s to for a 300 fee in FL. It's all pills and crack. Cracksonville man there was plenty of that oxys and done. No H though. People where driving down south seeing docs and bringin back scripts of oxys and makin a killing. Plus damn look at what happened in FL in the 80's half of em are still crackheads. The coke is cheap, even cheaper to pot the crack that's where the profit is. There's no huge profit in dope in FL like crack. If your gonna take the risk in Fl it bettter be worth it with the jail time there.

[Duckfeet]

Yep, among junkies that traveled, FL was always place to look for chemicals, while NE and Cali, were where u might find good H...

I got good and strungout in Gainseville on Dilaudids...and secondary habit was usually percodans, as those two were probably what u'd see most... a lot of this had to do w/fact that FL was where old people retired to, and that usually meant grandpa was selling dilaudids....

Hardcases would fly up to NYC, and then go to Harlem, where u could cop real H easily enough...

Again, Oxys arrived, and cocaine flew in and the demographics changed and old farts happy to unload k4's at a reasonable price seem to be long gone... ....


My experience in Florida is it's one of the few states that still scripts oxys and methadone fairly easily. Member when people where driving from Kentucky to S. Florida to go to bunk docs and get oxy scripts? Same thing was happening a year ago. Try getting an oxy script in NY or MA. They prescribe the roxy 30s to for a 300 fee in FL. It's all pills and crack. Cracksonville man there was plenty of that oxys and done. No H though. People where driving down south seeing docs and bringin back scripts of oxys and makin a killing. Plus damn look at what happened in FL in the 80's half of em are still crackheads. The coke is cheap, even cheaper to pot the crack that's where the profit is. There's no huge profit in dope in FL like crack. If your gonna take the risk in Fl it bettter be worth it with the jail time there.

[nick]

Routes tend to form around areas smugglers have connections or places border defences are weak,but they all go to places that have establshed markets to maximise profit with smallest risk.