No Withdrawls

[Opiyum]

I friend of mine, and I do mean a friend of mine for I am very jealous, just quit using for the first time in over three years. For the past year he was using roughly an 80 a day and a gram of yip. This was about a week ago that he stopped and I hadnt talked to him till yesterday. What he had to say blew my mind. He said he felt fine his first day that night he went to bed...fell asleep and he woke up at about 5am when he noticed his knees were a little bit sore which kept him up the rest of the night. That day he obtained three 8mg subs and tongued one each day for the following three days. Once he ran out of those he was 100% perfectly fine.

So after three years of use and one year of heavy use the only pain he felt was a bit of soreness in his knees for one day and he also said he MIGHT have felt cold sweats for a little bit. No goosebumps, hot flashes, shits, nausea, involuntary leg movements, cold sweats, watery eyes, yawning etc.. This is very frustrating for me and I'm wondering if this is normal? I know withdrawls are different for everyone but no WDs at all someone explain this to me?

[Opiyum]

I'm guessing that since nobody replied to this that nobody has ever heard of someone not getting withdrawls. Which doesnt suprise at all.

So now the question is should we have my buddy Chris sent to some sort of lab where they can perform tests to see why he doesnt get sick?

Some of you might think maybe hes still using and lieing to me. Well I can assure you with the experience I have in this world I know that not to be the case. Plus I know his only dealer and... well actually just got back from there and I know because he was hassling me because Chris owes him seventy bucks. Not to mention as anyone here knows you can tell if someones high the instant you see them.

Im only pressing this point because I know how insanely hard this story is to believe or maybe its not...(Jacky?) Maybe there are documented cases of people who dont get sick but I would think if you develop tolerance then that is the same thing chemically speaking as getting sick? This is also why I'm using his name to make it more personall if that makes sense at all.

[ZodiacKiller]

Wait a sec, you're saying that on day TWO he got the Suboxone and did his first 8mg? Because if that's the case, then obviously the Sub kept him out of w/d. Plus the Sub has a half-life of 36 hours, I believe, and if he did one a day for 3 days, then he was basically building up the amount in his system. The w/d usually doesn't hit until day two at the earliest for me, but usually not till day three. I dunno, maybe he's one the lucky few. Post back and let us know he's feeling tomorrow and the day after...

ZodiacKiller

Oh, BTW, what's yip?

[Opiyum]

You dont understand this was over a week ago. After three to four total years use and one year Rock Solid every day five times a day use he only had to use three 8mg subs and he is now 100%. He also said he didnt really need the subs but the only reason he got them was because he was bored out of his skull sitting at his dads house plus his dad bought them for him. You see hes going through what I went through three years ago he got busted stealing from his dad only I didnt steal from my mom I got fed up on my own and moved to Cbus to be in a band and get away.. I'm what you guys call a chipper and up until the last hour I havent used for two-ish weeks. So two nights ago I was with him in downtown pitts doing heavy drinking. He is back to normal and the last day he used was...roughly a week and a half ago. The many times I've gone through withdrawl I still felt sick two and three weeks in at least to the point where I certainly wasnt going out drinking in loud bars.
I figured I'd have to explain this alot since it is basically unheard of.

He had two minor complaints Bordem and his knees hurt one night.

WHAT THE FUCK

[ZodiacKiller]

Well, then, I guess he's just one lucky fucker, godammit. I am quite jealous.

ZK

[shaunclo]

give him the nickname - FUCK FACE!!!!

j/k, but not really, I have never heard of anything like that before. I have heard where there are minor w/d's, but being able to sleep and only knee cramps?? Shit, I had the whole kit-and-kaboodle when I switched from H to suboxone.

[Opiyum]

I think I used those exact words FUCK FACE when I talked to him the first time. The bastard laughed.

[HistoryofMadness]

Call his bullshit man he's just not willing to share... wtf I mean that's not even medically possible... right? Or maybe he's that one I keep hearing about? He's like neo there won't be another for a thousand years.

[caesee]

well never done H, but I was taking 8-10 10/500 vics daily (along wiht othr opies) and 8 soma a day for 3 years straight. the soma withdrawls were fuckin horrible, stopped those firt and couldnt sleep for a week...anyways stopped the vics and for 1 day had the runs, and hot flashs...finnaly slept and after that i was just tired all the time...i stop everyother month for 2 weeks for so, after day one i am fine..

[candy]

Been a nurse for a long time, used myself and have worked with Heroin addicts for years. Never have heard of it and most likely won't. I think your buddy may be given you a bit of BS. Just a thought.

Maybe he is not human???? Just playing! Just doesn't seem humanly possible and I for one have never even remotely heard of such a thing!

[GMorris]

It's rare, but true from what I've read over the years. I had a book written by a couple of "addiction specialists" about their practices. I think I posted on here where one guy was on Demerol for quite some time, then he told the doc his pain was gone and went off them cold turkey. The doc promptly sent him to these specialists who asked him if he thought he was addicted and was he having any w/d, to which the guy said "I don't think so" and left their clinic never to return. They had another case where one guy who was a heavy user for a while just basically slept for three days and never kicked a leg! Who knows why some escape it and the rest of us don't?

[DaOxyMan]

i recently performed the same inhuman feat, as did a good friend of mine Steve...it is entirely possible..I kicked w/ 5 subs, 8mg a piece...4mg morning, 4mg afternoon split dose...It was CAKE...ive never been so happy i had been dreading the w/d for months as i have been heavily addicted to OC then H for closin in on 4 years now...but alas Suboxone kicking is a miracle and not hard to believe..i had mental cravings, and i was bored as well (no shit) but no pain the speak of, slept like a baby actually, and only a slight feeling of chills was my only ail...this was infinitely better than my first OC kick and first H kick, which were 8 days of hellish -ness if thats a word..seriously if you wanna quit buy 5-10 Suboxones, and fucking quit..its 10000000X easier...he is no Alien i believe your friend completely...just my imput

[Opiyum]

Yeah its definately not a matter of me trusting him. I understand now that there is no way of really explaining how I know it true because all in all it would be a compilation of the last five years of our life as friends...and really even beyond that because we grew up literally next door from each other. Our parents were best friends our families went on summer vacation every year together etc. etc.. What you said about only needed five to ten subs to kick is wierd because thats something you share in common with my friend, but not me. When I kicked with suboxone I was on it for two and a half months, and even that was a hard two weeks after my last day under the tongue.

I wonder?

[Pointy]

count me in on the bupe detox. I tried it six months ago and it was the easiest kick I've ever had. It got rid of everything but the emotional turmoil. Subies rock for detox

[blackdog]

my turn, using for over 20 years now.
cold turkey was no big thing at first.you kept your mind off it and substituted with booze/weed and 3 days later your done.keep your mind off it and you'll stay away from it fer awhile.but if yer miserable and seek to medicate yerself,you will. and then you'll do more and more for longer and longer and then that makes it harder and harder.which in turn you will suffer more so.simple questions difficult answers or visa-versa ??????

[exitwound]

I've been pretty amazed lately by my ability to change dosages fairly quickly, and even space out doses much further than I thought I was able, with no obvious negative consquences. I will see, soon enough, how far I can take this as I attempt to wean myself down to levels significantly below what I'm prescribed so I can stock up a reserve and keep my overall costs down as well as be sure that if I decide to stop seeing doctors again, that I will have enough of a stash to get me by until I can whip up a proper poppy and medical marijuana garden again :D

[shaunclo]

Anyone ever see the movie about Larry Flint (Hustler magazine man), The people Vs. Larry Flint is the name, it shows him after he got shot using pharma dope for like 3 1/2 years, then one day he woke up and the pain was gone and he never touched the stuff again. I know it was a movie, but this makes a little more sense now. Maybe its not ficticious.

[jacky]

3 8 milligram suboxones, taken daily for three days, and then considering the slow excretion of the bup from the body could easily help with the withdrawls. as a matter of fact, this sounds very similiar to the same regimine that a freind of mine underwent 8 years ago when buprenorphine was only allowed as an inpatient detox. This guy was a heavy user, he was loaded with cash and insurance, and used for a few years straight until he checked himself in, and he checked himself in high to boot.

I know another person who didnt experience much withdrawls when he quit cold turkey, he had a religious experience, and basically claims that god took the pain away. no bullshit here, this guy was street addict, and had been homeless for almost two years. He had a typical 1-2 hundred dollar a day habit, in a small city known for its potent dope due to the lack of street dealers cutting the material, straight from the dealer to him. anyway he claimed that though he suffered some minor withdrawl at first, that the whole ordeal was pretty easy to deal with, perhaps being in jail helps, as there is literally nothing that you can do besides break a bone or something on purpose to get some pain medication..

when i kicked heroin for the first time, an IV user, dependent on dalaudid and heroin for around a year, and before that addicted to prescription pain meds...all I needed was valium, and rest. I had some serious withdrawl pain, but after three days I was back at work. after 5 days I quit taking the valium. I remember being in pretty good shape, and I also had been eating regularly, so my body was not in a bad state of disrepair. Other times when I was sick and run down, kickin dope would drag on for a few weeks . I think alot of it has to due with how much vitamin deficiency a person has undergone.

and then there are the liars. like me and my exwife, who were supposed to be kickin at her parents house. only she kept going out every few days and scoring again, bringing it back to me, and setting us back another few days. after a week of us laying around her dad started wondering just how long this was going to last. we tried to tell him weeks. when he noticed that his prize tenspeed that he had for years was missing he put two and two together, kicked us out, with my last view of him flipping us off,pissed as hell.

[chemboy7]

Call his bullshit man he's just not willing to share... wtf I mean that's not even medically possible... right? Or maybe he's that one I keep hearing about? He's like neo there won't be another for a thousand years.

HAHAHAHAHA Fuckin' right man.

[blackdog]

:confused: the human mind works in mysterious way.

some peeps don't realize that they should be in a world of pain untill you go ahead and point that out to them.catch my drift?

it's like my dog she gets sick sometimes she just doesn't know that she should play it out like a wimp like us humans.i don't know ,it's hard to explain...oh nevermind some help please???
some folks is good with pain.
and others is just cry babies:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: